But they say, it's for the tablets. :-(
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/05/google-shows-off-android-3-0-the-entirely-for-tablet-honeycom/
EDIT : hopefully , we'll get video chat this time.
I'm actually happy its just for tablets. Tablets need something to make the special beyond "just big phones"
Plus I couldn't imagine how weird it would be with capacitive screen buttons on the phone but honeycomb virtual screen buttons as well?
Well played Google... Well played
Oh yes... sweet yes... portable?
Who knows.
agree 100%. theres got to be something that differentiates tablets and phones. google is moving in that direction. i only hope that there will be a version of HC that will run on phones in a "translated" form to make it more usable on a mobile interface.
Clueless on how to cope with two different sets... but seems they don't give ..... about it.
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sigh, it does NOT say tablet only, it says designed for tablets, a whole of difference.
Told y'all the CNN Honeycomb article leaned toward tablets: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=10001097#post10001097
ROM_Guest said:
Told y'all the CNN Honeycomb article leaned toward tablets: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=10001097#post10001097
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have you never heard of marketing?
"designed for tablets" is marketing bs. Until someone shows a significant change in the tablet and cell phone hardware, it will continue to be bs. A few applications will need to be changed (like GMail) but the rest is marketing.
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have you never heard of marketing?
"designed for tablets" is marketing bs. Until someone shows a significant change in the tablet and cell phone hardware, it will continue to be bs. A few applications will need to be changed (like GMail) but the rest is marketing.
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The screen size is that significant change. It requires quite different application layout concepts (which in turn require OS support).
It could well be, that honeycomb development is focused solely on tablet issues (like being in essence sort of gingerbread "tablet edition") and is worthless in the smartphone context.
Again, Andy Rubin at D: Dive into the mobile said the focus was on tablet but that the new views/pane could be adapted to phones.
That being said wouldn't be to surprise if we have to wait until Google I/O for some of this eyecandy on cell phones.
Oh and Gtalk Video is there...
Honeycomb looks great. I agree that "designed for tablets" its good marketing. They can play the angle that the ipad was based on a phone OS & Honeycomb has been built for the ground up with tablets in mind.
My guess (or atleast what I hope) is that Google will announce Honeycomb for phones as well. They would share the same UI just with one designed for smaller screens in mind. Ideally the phone OS wouldn't need the dual core processing (so fragmentation doesn't kick in). And this way both tablets and phones share the same platform making it a bit easier for developers. Ofcourse this is just the way I am dreaming things up but it does make a bit of sense with Google making Gingerbread 2.4 after all the initial speculation that it would be 3.0. It makes me wonder if Gingerbread was rushed in order to get the next Nexus flagship phone out before the holidays.
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They can play the angle that the ipad was based on a phone OS & Honeycomb has been built for the ground up with tablets in mind
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Sure the markets will play that angle I'm sure. Of course the reality is that the iPad was actually designed before the iPhone. So the iPhone is using a tablet OS, not the other way around!
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Honeycomb looks great. I agree that "designed for tablets" its good marketing. They can play the angle that the ipad was based on a phone OS & Honeycomb has been built for the ground up with tablets in mind.
My guess (or atleast what I hope) is that Google will announce Honeycomb for phones as well. They would share the same UI just with one designed for smaller screens in mind. Ideally the phone OS wouldn't need the dual core processing (so fragmentation doesn't kick in). And this way both tablets and phones share the same platform making it a bit easier for developers.
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Provided el goog did not invent any new kind of wheel, I think it is quite safe to assume, that honeycomb "tablet edition" changes are geared to support those new additional screen layouts typical to the tablets.
Like currently developer can define several different layouts, for example one for portrait and one for landscape, screen form factor, docking state, night/day mode etc.
So, there will be additional modes for tablets. And additional UI controls utilizing those modes.
Then google will need to modify all the system apps, I think this makes the most of the honeycomb overhead. To do it properly it is by far not enough to "inflate" your present smartphone apps. Samsung already hacked this into the most of the apps shipped with galaxy tab.
It is actually quite boring if you look at it from the smartphone point of view. More like the new UI skin if at all.
only (put your curse here) would presume Google is ditching the mobile phones to tablets by providing new 'cool' updates to tablets and let the phones rot. almost every person has a phone not every person has a tablet or planning on getting one. Not very good for Google business, so they won't keep (put any Android version here) exclusive to a certain platform.
So this means that Gingerbread 2.3 will remain the flagship OS for phones till the year end or will the Dual Core Motorola Atrix & Optimus 2X can have 3.0 sometime later
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So this means that Gingerbread 2.3 will remain the flagship OS for phones till the year end or will the Dual Core Motorola Atrix & Optimus 2X can have 3.0 sometime later
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No. All this means is that 3.0 will be shipping on some tablets in a few months. We don't yet know anything about Android releases for phones beyond Gingerbread.
damn right it looks great!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CenYofDGwoU
edit: thank god that now the confusion that many have regarding the difference between "gingerbread" and "android 3.0" will be cleared up. yes, there are folks like that :eek
Perhaps facets of the UI are Tablet only.
What a stupid thing it would be to fragment Android even further.
Nice UI..BB Playbook task switching still is miles ahead in terms of wow factor and ease of switching.
The apps themselves look great. Once again I have great fear of these 3d aspects bogging things like the Froyo Gallery.
If it doesnt load at lightning speed they will be guilty of overshooting the programming for available HW.
I cant see that UI running smoothly on any current phone including the Nexus S.
The real question, which has yet to have a definitive answer, is when can i actually buy something that runs this?!
Its safe to say that I will be picking up a tablet with Honeycomb this year.
Related
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/03/honeycomb-to-require-dual-core-processor-initially-tablet-only/
http://www.androidtablets.net/forum...-have-minimum-specs-require-hd-dual-core.html
Not confirmed but.. still bad news..(at least for the long term as I suspect if the requirements are this high it will be a long time before developers develop specifically to that platform)
I have to say, I would be very surprised if that were the case. There is so much information flying around at the moment, I refuse to believe anything until it's confirmed.
Having the specs too high when so many people are converting to Android would be counter productive and risks splitting their market base. Not everyone (in fact, I would say fairly few) is able or willing to upgrade their phone and it's hardware every year in order to keep up with software.
Well, I say: let's cross the Honeycomb bridge after paying a visit to the Gingerbread man
I think Gingerbread will make this a much better alrounder than it already is. I have a feeling honeycomb will have the "Windows Vista" effect and then they'll start streamlining the programming again, without the fluff... Giving us the Android equivalent of Win7, but that's my opinion only
I have to admit that when I read this yesterday I was a bit disappointed. If this is in fact the case I will be highly upset due to the fact the honeycomb is supposedly the more "tablet specific" OS so lets hope that this is not the case
I 100% agree... It would be foolish for Google to introduce what would be a new platform and not build on what market penetration they have already with the phones (in other words they need to pull a play from Apple's playbook)
Why I dont believe this is true:
If the tablet comes in with minimums that are higher then the fastest supported phone platform OR the API changes enough that current apps break or future application development changes significantly it will be a very long adoption process. If the prices is the same or higher than the iPAD it will be a huge failure in the short term.
Dont get me wrong I love to see higher specs and newer more robust APIs as the experience will be much better for the consumer but reality is people buy these type of devices based on the number of apps that run on them. As you can see Apple kept to this strategy and has had record sales of their iPAD and will continue to... This approach with the lead unfortunately will be very difficult to overcomb - especially for the masses (us geeks are a different story but success of products depend on the masses not us geeks)
PLUS if they do change the API why havnt they released it to developers.. There is always a ramp up. Take Microsoft for example there is no larger community then the .Net developer community --- and only 5000 apps in all these weeks?
So again, why I dont believe its true:
Very Risky Option --- . Companies like to show huge profits and like less risk.. Apple has achieved a great balance with their phone/tablet products.
But this is Google (Young, Hip, Has a huge stash of cash, arrogant, etc.) ... So see below:
Events that leads me to believe that this IS true:
1. Google doesn't officially allow any tablets to access market place. "Current platform not optimized for tablet use" --- this BS as we can all see. The APIs fully support tablets with 2.2.
2. GalaxyTab released with Market ONLY for Cell model - WIFI only model delayed --- Why delayed?? NO reason technically. No work on WIFI model.. Hmmmm
2.5 Samsung announces v2 of the Galaxy will be Tegra based. (just added)
3. Who from the competitive companies (Toshiba, Vizio, Motorola, MSI, Acer, Asus, etc.) who have announced a new tablet coming in 2011, announce that their platform of choice IS NOT Tegra based?? Who who??? I haven't seen anyone. Why? - No one else has a dual core ready.
4. All Tegra based tablets have 512 meg ram --- Hmmm why? Its unnecessary for the platform (all you linux heads know what I mean). I see this as a nice to have. And for those you screaming that this is why the Archos is limited/poor performing -- use the iPAD.. It's interface/applications scream speed and the iPAD only has 256 Meg of ram (and guess what its using a Linux Kernel)
5. Tegra 2 is dual core ---- See 4..
6. Hush hush... Doesn't make sense why Google who "is an open source company" would keep the minimum specs/sdetails on this build so secretive... No leaks from vendors either... Nothing... I have more information on the iPAD 2 than Honeycomb.
7. New companies eLocity, etc. are coming out of the gate using an expensive chip as their first run??? Profit Profit Prof it is key to any new company.. If it would work on a lesser chip they would gone there first..
Simple fun to speculate either way though..
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I have to say, I would be very surprised if that were the case. There is so much information flying around at the moment, I refuse to believe anything until it's confirmed.
Having the specs too high when so many people are converting to Android would be counter productive and risks splitting their market base. Not everyone (in fact, I would say fairly few) is able or willing to upgrade their phone and it's hardware every year in order to keep up with software.
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As long as we're able to eventually root the device and get a custom ROM installed I wouldn't worry about it. I had a G1 prior to my Nexus One phone. Installing Cyanogenmod on the G1 made the phone much more usable then the vanilla ROM that it came with. The custom ROM guys love to backport the newer stuff for older devices.
http://twitter.com/morrildl/status/12380827807653888
No minimums?
That's GingerBread, not Honeycomb.
Asus just demoed their EEPad guess what? Honeycomb tablet NOT running Tegra 2... Dont fret though.... Its using the Qualcom dual core processor... (Note the dual core processor)... Its out in June at 499..
This bothers me due to the fact that I just returned the GTab (the screen is terrible) and should have my 70 tab tomorrow or Thursday, wtf.
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See it this way... with the 70 you will have many many many many months of enjoyment before you are forced to upgrade. Even if Honeycomb comes out tomorrow I highly doubt there will be any proprietary/optimized applications for the OS. You wont see Honeycomb optimized applications till the 3rd or 4 quarter and applications will not use the dual core probably till later next year (though since the applications run through a JVM is is conceivable the JVM will have the added benefit of brining true multi threading without the developer needing to know how to implement the multi-threading)
Net net is... I still think the GTablet/Archos line of products are short term fixes for a need... the long term fix comes 2nd half when all tablets are out the market.. next year until we get hardware that is at a reasonable price.
Not for nothing if they come in at or around the 500 or 600 mark... Why wouldn't I get a IPAD 2(talking from my wifes point of view)?
hough77 said:
This bothers me due to the fact that I just returned the GTab (the screen is terrible) and should have my 70 tab tomorrow or Thursday, wtf.
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See it this way... with the 70 you will have many many many many months of enjoyment before you are forced to upgrade. Even if Honeycomb comes out tomorrow I highly doubt there will be any proprietary/optimized applications for the OS. You wont see Honeycomb optimized applications till the 3rd or 4 quarter and applications will not use the dual core probably till later next year (though since the applications run through a JVM is is conceivable the JVM will have the added benefit of brining true multi threading without the developer needing to know how to implement the multi-threading)
Net net is... I still think the GTablet/Archos line of products are short term fixes for a need... the long term fix comes 2nd half when all tablets are out the market.. next year until we get hardware that is at a reasonable price.
Not for nothing if they come in at or around the 500 or 600 mark... Why wouldn't I get a IPAD 2(talking from my wifes point of view)?
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Indeed, thanx for the positive outlook, it will be a fun toy, and its not hard on check book either! Like it will be the last tab I ever buy or something.
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Well... after seeing some of the demos and the units which have Honeycomb I can honestly say with some level of confidence that
1. HoneyComb will most certainly be a tablet only OS - I think this is a horrible approach. This will just splinter the development with Phones always having the priority as there are more of them. Apple did it right having the base OS the same and leaving the difference up to the developers on which form factor to target for their app (Microsoft is doing the same if you have ever developed on the new mobile,desktop or gaming platform you know what I mean)
2. It will most certainly require dual core. Everything is a dual core even the EEPAD (not tegra based) that has been talked about that will run Honeycomb...
Positive is Archos will drop in price in a few weeks once pre-orders start for these devices...
Now I want to see what move apple makes... (they will most certainly wait to hear HoneyComb release date and some prices)..
ASUS Eee Pad MeMO:
•BXL Qualcomm Snapdragon 8260 1.2Ghz
Motorola XOOM with no Button (back, home, menu, ect..)
All kind nearly with our cheap Archos... nothing to worry about Honeycomb... just how long they do ^_^
Not so bad now.
I just read on n-tv that a google developer said there will be no hard requirements like screen sizes or cpu cores for Android 3.0.
Thing is, with only 256 MiByte of Ram the Archos will most likely have to be modded to run it. Like adding swap space and overclock.
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It will install.. but will it run... I can install Windows Vista on an old 386... takes 2 days to install... but it boots.. and "technical runs"
Kashban said:
Not so bad now.
I just read on n-tv that a google developer said there will be no hard requirements like screen sizes or cpu cores for Android 3.0.
Thing is, with only 256 MiByte of Ram the Archos will most likely have to be modded to run it. Like adding swap space and overclock.
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as predicted, total BS
https://twitter.com/#!/morrildl/status/22845294886518785
#dejavu Random note: there's no hard minimum processor requirement for Honeycomb. Trust me, if there were I'd know.
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See this -->http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=10375484&postcount=16
czesiu said:
as predicted, total BS
https://twitter.com/#!/morrildl/status/22845294886518785
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It will install.. but will it run... I can install Windows Vista on an old 386... takes 2 days to install... but it boots.. and "technical runs"
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Actually, you can't do that. There are hard minimums for supported architecture.
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Actually, you can't do that. There are hard minimums for supported architecture.
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burn. just saying.
About 11:00 into the video interview:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/07/exclusive-interview-googles-matias-duarte-talks-honeycomb-tab/
"What you see in Honeycomb is absolutely the direction for Android."
- Matias Duarte, Director of Android User Experience
I wasn't expecting that Honeycomb would be tablet only. Thnx for sharing
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I wasn't expecting that Honeycomb would be tablet only. Thnx for sharing
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Yeah, a lot of people were thinking it was, which is understandable considering Google had never confirmed it either way until now.
Paul22000 said:
About 11:00 into the video interview:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/07/exclusive-interview-googles-matias-duarte-talks-honeycomb-tab/
"What you see in Honeycomb is absolutely the direction for Android."
- Matias Duarte, Director of Android User Experience
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Thanks for posting the Paul
I wonder if the future of Android phones, post Honeycomb, is to stop making phones with the capacitive buttons (back, menu, home, search) and instead just have purely a screen relying upon Honeycomb's virtual buttons instead?
Probably wont happen but just a thought...
ap3604 said:
Thanks for posting the Paul
I wonder if the future of Android phones, post Honeycomb, is to stop making phones with the capacitive buttons (back, menu, home, search) and instead just have purely a screen relying upon Honeycomb's virtual buttons instead?
Probably wont happen but just a thought...
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He actually goes into it in the interview about "reducing Android's hardware requirements" and that most likely yes, phones and tablets won't need physical or capacitive buttons. But he says they are leaving it open to the manufacturer; if someone wants or needs those buttons, then they can do it. (I suspect Honeycomb phones won't have the traditional 4 hardware buttons.)
Anyway, it's a great interview and highly recommend it; I'm still listening to it on and off.
Just finished that interview. It really puts a lot of things into perspective and gets me excited for the future of Android.
300,000 new activations per day now too. And as was confirmed before, these aren't new rom installs or upgrades, they are new devices.
Ok so
-honeycomb is for phones too
-honeycomb can support hardware buttons
-honeycomb has no minimum hardware requirements
Sooo why didn'they develop honeycomb for nexus one too? Why put efforts developing a 2.3 (maybe even a 2.4) release then?
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Sooo why didn'they develop honeycomb for nexus one too? Why put efforts developing a 2.3 (maybe even a 2.4) release then?
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Gingerbread is not wasted effort, much of work done there will carry over to Honeycomb. The keyboard for instance, and the kernel changes such as the new garbage collector.
If they wanted to get tablets out the door it makes sense to focus on that initially. They say the new interface scales down to phones too, but I'm sure it will take some extra time.
my dream/wish is something very to what motorola has done with astrix.. but better
Honeycomb phone.... looks like and works like a phone...
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A dock.. looks like a tablet.. but is essentially just a screen with a battery like compartment in the back.
Put the the phone in the compartment..the interface changes to tablet GUI
It will be an irresistible combo!
How does "What you see in Honeycomb is absolutely the direction for android" = "Honeycomb is coming to mobile phones"?
I haven't watch a single second of the interview so he might explained it further there, but the sentence you specifically highlighted out does not mean Honeycomb is guaranteed to come to mobile phones.
Yes, you could interpret it as honeycomb is the direction for android, and since mobile phones run android, we're going to get it for mobile phones right? But it could also mean the honeycomb ui is the direction for mobile phones but we're not going to implement it on mobile phone right now as we're focusing on tablets and we hope to make the ui on both mobile phones and tablets the same in Ice cream(or whatever they end up calling it).
Like I said, haven't watch the vid, but this is my take on the one sentence op took out to state his point.
More video evidence (from last month) that Honeycomb will work on phones:
youtube.com/watch?v=koIzhLaRJJo
At 4:27...
Interviewer: Is Honeycomb just a version of Android that happens to work well on tablets or is it a tablet version of Android?
Andy Rubin: It's both.
Later at 6:10 Andy Rubin elaborates further by mentioning a Honeycomb "Fragments API" which allows developers to define a smartphone and tablet UI for their applications.
Mokurex said:
How does "What you see in Honeycomb is absolutely the direction for android" = "Honeycomb is coming to mobile phones"?
I haven't watch a single second of the interview..
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He gave the link to the video for a reason. You should probably watch it before saying he's wrong.
Mokurex said:
How does "What you see in Honeycomb is absolutely the direction for android" = "Honeycomb is coming to mobile phones"?
I haven't watch a single second of the interview so he might explained it further there, but the sentence you specifically highlighted out does not mean Honeycomb is guaranteed to come to mobile phones.
Yes, you could interpret it as honeycomb is the direction for android, and since mobile phones run android, we're going to get it for mobile phones right? But it could also mean the honeycomb ui is the direction for mobile phones but we're not going to implement it on mobile phone right now as we're focusing on tablets and we hope to make the ui on both mobile phones and tablets the same in Ice cream(or whatever they end up calling it).
Like I said, haven't watch the vid, but this is my take on the one sentence op took out to state his point.
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You should probably watch the video then. One quote is just to make his point. You can't pick it apart just on that fact, it is a basic way to communicate, pick a part of something to start the conversation.
Watch the video, I won't spell it out for you. But Honeycomb is for everything.
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He gave the link to the video for a reason. You should probably watch it before saying he's wrong.
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I have never once said that he's wrong, he's probably correct by all means. My point was that the title of the thread says honeycomb is coming to phone, I clicked in here, see a quote highlighted in bold which doesn't really explain the point and a 20 minute long video. I assume the quote is supposed to be the main point of the video, so that's why I responded based off of that.
I'm not accusing anybody or trolling for that matter, just voicing my opinion in an open forum. Chill guys =)
My apologies if I sounded too harsh. You really should watch the video though, it answers all your questions and is really quite interesting.
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I have never once said that he's wrong, he's probably correct by all means. My point was that the title of the thread says honeycomb is coming to phone, I clicked in here, see a quote highlighted in bold which doesn't really explain the point and a 20 minute long video. I assume the quote is supposed to be the main point of the video, so that's why I responded based off of that
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Why do you think the link to the video is there?
I have some contacts at HTC and was told that Honeycomb update is tablet only and HTC Sense is still possible (killing the rumours that Google might forbid UI skins starting from Honeycomb). So we won't see Honeycomb for phones, but we will see Honeycomb features coming to phones starting with the next Android version (ice cream).
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I have some contacts at HTC and was told that Honeycomb update is tablet only and HTC Sense is still possible (killing the rumours that Google might forbid UI skins starting from Honeycomb). So we won't see Honeycomb for phones, but we will see Honeycomb features coming to phones starting with the next Android version (ice cream).
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who cares what it's actually going to be called though? I suspect that yes, the phone version will get a different delineation than just 3.0 Honeycomb. Probably 3.2 Ice Cream. I guess we'll see it first at the Google I/O event (May 10-11, 2011) and then show up early Fall on the next Nexus model?
The point from the interview though is that even if they call it Ice Cream for phones, it will look and act very similar to what they showed for tablets at CES (no hardware buttons, improved multi-tasking, scrollable widgets, etc). He also mentions that absolutely yes, Android is 100% still open and HTC or whoever can continue to skin.
Out of all the the companies that have announced Honeycomb tablets, not one of them have laid a finger on Android 3.0? Is Google not allowing this? Or are they simply not familiar enough with 3.0 to make any dramatical changes? I don't think it is us consumers forcing them to do this, as it is very clear Motorola and Samsung will skin their devices as they please... but this struck me as odd that they aren't making any changes to the software to differentiate their tablets from the others.
Does Google want to make sure that their tablets get updated as soon as possible? Or do the manufactures believe that Android 3.0 doesn't need to be altered whatsoever and that stock Android is fine?
I know none of you may have a definite answer but I am very curious. I do know that this isn't a bad thing as people actually prefer stock Android... it just somewhat shocks me that these companies aren't trying to alter these tablets to their liking. All the tablets are essentially the same with a different shell. If this is the case, Google could have just released one Honeycomb tablet on all carriers with a decent price. Of course the answer to this will be "choice", but if ONE (and only one) Honeycomb tablet with a low enough price was announced.. that had USB ports, SD Cards slots, etc. -- we wouldn't have to look elsewhere.
The xoom will get an update for motoblur at a later date.
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The xoom will get an update for motoblur at a later date.
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A Motorola employee said that, but then Motorola itself dismissed that as false.
It was a big race to get the first tablet out the door. It's going to take months to do a 3.0 as they need to re-do it from the group up.
Then perhaps manufacturers have finally come to the realization that google got it right and chose not to sink the money into software development and are sticking to the hardware.
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If you watch the engadget interview with Matias Duarte, they ask him about his thoughts on manufactures laying hands on Honeycomb. He simply smiles and seems like he doesn't want no one changing up the UI. I mean he is the designer for Honeycomb and I doubt anyone would want their masterpiece being murdered by Motorblur and touchwiz! I think honeycomb looks amazing personally. I also think Google wants these tablets to succeed; therefore, leaving them in charge of updating the software, not manufactures like Samsung who never really update their devices.
Unfortunately we still have to rely on the manufacturer to do the updates I think.
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If you watch the engadget interview with Matias Duarte, they ask him about his thoughts on manufactures laying hands on Honeycomb. He simply smiles and seems like he doesn't want no one changing up the UI. I mean he is the designer for Honeycomb and I doubt anyone would want their masterpiece being murdered by Motorblur and touchwiz! I think honeycomb looks amazing personally. I also think Google wants these tablets to succeed; therefore, leaving them in charge of updating the software, not manufactures like Samsung who never really update their devices.
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Tico.ASandoval14 said:
If you watch the engadget interview with Matias Duarte, they ask him about his thoughts on manufactures laying hands on Honeycomb. He simply smiles and seems like he doesn't want no one changing up the UI. I mean he is the designer for Honeycomb and I doubt anyone would want their masterpiece being murdered by Motorblur and touchwiz! I think honeycomb looks amazing personally. I also think Google wants these tablets to succeed; therefore, leaving them in charge of updating the software, not manufactures like Samsung who never really update their devices.
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Not to mention that Goog wants fast to market adoption of apps and the potential behind a store ala Apple.
Allowing third parties to muck around with what users can do has been the whole basis of the 'fragmentation' argument.
If Google uses its power in this case they do have a good chance to steal thunder from Apple, but only if they don't allow for the software and devices to get wildly out of sync as they are now.
And that really only pisses off the consumer, not the manufacturer folk - these hardware makers should be beholden to Google, not the consumer to the manufacturer.
Google needs to put the line in the sand so to speak and take ownership of the app side of the game with regards to the platform.. and as much as it pains me to say so, they need to start enforcing some rules about things.. within reason to their current scope/intention - a few friggin standards/rules would not hurt the platform at all.
Not seeing anything for the past week or so when it comes to development, kernel updates, custom themes....etc. Has development halted already? Would be satisfied even with a debloated, optimized stock Honeycomb ROM. The Thunderbolt had its first ROM 2 days after launch and it was opened up before it was even released...what gives, a so called open tablet and nothing. Anything to give me faith again that I don't own a 800.00 bookend would be appreciated.
Then I was thinking about the Nexus One.....Maybe this Xoom is the Nexus One of the Tablet market & will be the developmental Tablet that everyone does everything on.....I'm just so confused at this point I don't know what to do
Honeycomb source hasn't been released = No custom ROMs
ksc6000 said:
Honeycomb source hasn't been released = No custom ROMs
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Not even able to remove bloat & optimize what we have?
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Not even able to remove bloat & optimize what we have?
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I'm sure bloatware could be removed, but optimizing I think would require our Devs to actually have the source code to optimize
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Not seeing anything for the past week or so when it comes to development, kernel updates, custom themes....etc. Has development halted already? Would be satisfied even with a debloated, optimized stock Honeycomb ROM. The Thunderbolt had its first ROM 2 days after launch and it was opened up before it was even released...what gives, a so called open tablet and nothing. Anything to give me faith again that I don't own a 800.00 bookend would be appreciated.
Then I was thinking about the Nexus One.....Maybe this Xoom is the Nexus One of the Tablet market & will be the developmental Tablet that everyone does everything on.....I'm just so confused at this point I don't know what to do
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I am confused by your post. What is bloated on the Xoom? It pretty much is a stock OS. You can root it, boost it to 1.5GHz, hook USB flash to it. What features are you exactly looking for?
Its an enjoyable browsing experience, the flash works pretty well, its great for reading ebooks and pdfs, you can listen to your music, watch videos, stream tv, connect to your desktop and have full access to your windows apps(or mac). Look at all your pictures, and if you take advantage of googles cloud, you can store them there and synch it with your phone and tablet without having to store them directly on your devices. It has a great RSS reader, N64 / SNES apps and hook a Wii controller up and have a console like experience, video chat, heck you can hook it up to a HD widescreen and it maintains the perfect aspect ratio and looks great, organize view and reply to emails, explore a really feature filled Map application with a great navigation features. You can even rant about Xoom features from your XDA App . Maybe you dont' agree, which is perfectly cool. Personal opinions are great and should always be respected. But I really am enjoying my Xoom, this is my first tablet, so maybe I am missing something that should be there.
All done with my xoom:
I will say, that I have had some fun with my xoom, but with any toy the xoom in my house has joined my other obsolete toys on my closet shelf. It was a interesting tablet computer I just haven't found much use for my xoom other than playing converted movies. I will just leave it in the box on the shelf, and someday someone will buy it from me at one of my wife's garage sales.
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I am confused by your post. What is bloated on the Xoom? It pretty much is a stock OS. You can root it, boost it to 1.5GHz, hook USB flash to it. What features are you exactly looking for?
Its an enjoyable browsing experience, the flash works pretty well, its great for reading ebooks and pdfs, you can listen to your music, watch videos, stream tv, connect to your desktop and have full access to your windows apps(or mac). Look at all your pictures, and if you take advantage of googles cloud, you can store them there and synch it with your phone and tablet without having to store them directly on your devices. It has a great RSS reader, N64 / SNES apps and hook a Wii controller up and have a console like experience, video chat, heck you can hook it up to a HD widescreen and it maintains the perfect aspect ratio and looks great, organize view and reply to emails, explore a really feature filled Map application with a great navigation features. You can even rant about Xoom features from your XDA App . Maybe you dont' agree, which is perfectly cool. Personal opinions are great and should always be respected. But I really am enjoying my Xoom, this is my first tablet, so maybe I am missing something that should be there.
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I agree with this. There's really nothing missing right now. Nor is there much bloat to remove. Dungeon Defenders? Sure, you could root and remove it, but it's a nice way to show off what the tablet can do.
Down the line, when Moto stops providing proper updates or something, a ROM might be warranted. But with the likelihood of this getting pure stock Android for at least a year to come, means there's really no need for a ROM right now.
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I will say, that I have had some fun with my xoom, but with any toy the xoom in my house has joined my other obsolete toys on my closet shelf. It was a interesting tablet computer I just haven't found much use for my xoom other than playing converted movies. I will just leave it in the box on the shelf, and someday someone will buy it from me at one of my wife's garage sales.
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Not sure how a tablet doesn't make it into your daily routine. It's the first thing I grab in the morning now (after it wakes me up, of course)
I don't know, the way this was marketed it should have bells, whistles, screaming sirens and the ability to control [email protected] least that is what I grabbed out of all the ads, commercials I have saw. I wanted something that came outta the hole like the OG Droid. I know it's still in its baby's footsteps but my main thing is it not taking full availability of this monster Tegra 2. According to the specs of this chip the Xoom is only using 1/16 of its capability. And the other thing I would like is for it to be snappy and responsive....AAAAAHHHHH maybe I'm asking too much, I am just at a crossroad right now & need re-alignment.
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I don't know, the way this was marketed it should have bells, whistles, screaming sirens and the ability to control [email protected] least that is what I grabbed out of all the ads, commercials I have saw. I wanted something that came outta the hole like the OG Droid. I know it's still in its baby's footsteps but my main thing is it not taking full availability of this monster Tegra 2. According to the specs of this chip the Xoom is only using 1/16 of its capability. And the other thing I would like is for it to be snappy and responsive....AAAAAHHHHH maybe I'm asking too much, I am just at a crossroad right now & need re-alignment.
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HEY! the xoom also makes for a nice calculator if nothing else!.
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Not seeing anything for the past week or so when it comes to development, kernel updates, custom themes....etc. Has development halted already? Would be satisfied even with a debloated, optimized stock Honeycomb ROM. The Thunderbolt had its first ROM 2 days after launch and it was opened up before it was even released...what gives, a so called open tablet and nothing. Anything to give me faith again that I don't own a 800.00 bookend would be appreciated.
Then I was thinking about the Nexus One.....Maybe this Xoom is the Nexus One of the Tablet market & will be the developmental Tablet that everyone does everything on.....I'm just so confused at this point I don't know what to do
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You should already be satisfied then because there is no bloat on here which makes it a pure google experience device and once source is released i expect it to be the nexus one of tablets
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You should already be satisfied then because there is no bloat on here which makes it a pure google experience device and once source is released i expect it to be the nexus one of tablets
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"once source is released ?" you meen IF SOURCE IS RELEASED they may never do so!. I still dont have a SD card slot that workes in my xoom.
Its a stock google device. Bloat? Cordy and dungeon defenders? Rename apk to bak in root explorer and they're gone. It'll be ROMmed eventually but right now just enjoy pure honeycomb minus lame blur skin.
Source will be released once more tabs are out. Lame ass tabs are hacked and OSs thrown on them that shouldn't be. Google is protecting their prized OS from being hacked onto a 7"gtab or nook.
I don't think it has to do with the loss of enthusiasm but the lack of the source as stated by other posters. Maybe spirits have been dampened by Google's decision to delay the release of the source code but once it's release there will be a fresh breeze of ROMs.
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can't vote as none of the poll options support my thoughts.
"Everything I dreamed of"
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I don't think it has to do with the loss of enthusiasm but the lack of the source as stated by other posters. Maybe spirits have been dampened by Google's decision to delay the release of the source code but once it's release there will be a fresh breeze of ROMs.
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I think this says it best. People are disappointed that source isn't being released soon but it definitely doesn't it won't be. They have released source for each one so far doesn't make sense that they would stop now
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Above I started a thread entitled: "Is Motorola Ditching Android." If anyone bothers to read the linked article, it presents a possible motivation for not releasing the source code:
WAR
The hardware companies are starting to talk about breaking away from Google. HP has purchased palm and is releasing its own tablet. Now Motorola is rumored to be considering the same thing. The Blackberry Playbook Tablet is now up for pre-order on Best Buy. http://www.bestbuy.com/site/iPad-Tablet-PCs/Tablet-PCs/pcmcat209000050008.c?id=pcmcat209000050008
The Holy Grail in this business is to own BOTH the OS and the hardware. Know any other company who has done this? Begins with an A... named after a fruit....
Perhaps Google is reconsidering just how open-source it wants to be.
We can't have a deodexed or optimized rom until the smali utilities are updated, which requires honey comb source to drop.
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Digital Man said:
Above I started a thread entitled: "Is Motorola Ditching Android." If anyone bothers to read the linked article, it presents a possible motivation for not releasing the source code:
WAR
The hardware companies are starting to talk about breaking away from Google. HP has purchased palm and is releasing its own tablet. Now Motorola is rumored to be considering the same thing. The Blackberry Playbook Tablet is now up for pre-order on Best Buy. http://www.bestbuy.com/site/iPad-Tablet-PCs/Tablet-PCs/pcmcat209000050008.c?id=pcmcat209000050008
The Holy Grail in this business is to own BOTH the OS and the hardware. Know any other company who has done this? Begins with an A... named after a fruit....
Perhaps Google is reconsidering just how open-source it wants to be.
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Take off your aluminum hat for a moment.
I hope you understand that the "holy grail" as you put it is a bit more complicated than you think. For those of us who ummmm....read and know ****. We refer to thing like that with a really fancy phrase called "vertical integration". Also, remember Apple is a vertical integration monster, owning the hardware, OS, AND * drum-roll* distribution channels. They've built their company up like this. Motorola is still a long way from having this sort of capability. They don't even own all their hardware. The article you posted contains statements taken out of context. Complaints like those are hardly rare and mostly amount to nothing.
I can promise you google will release the source code for Honeycomb. It is no surprise that they are withholding a product that was specifically designed for and still incomplete on the xoom. If they put out the source code small companies as well as every **** and jane could peddle incredibly ****ty software with google branding with a side pile of bricks large enough to build a bridge to russia. They rushed the release because of the Ipad 2. **** works OK. Give them some time to make 3.0 play nice with pretty much everything else, and if that includes phones, it might take awhile. Be patient.
Digital Man said:
Above I started a thread entitled: "Is Motorola Ditching Android." If anyone bothers to read the linked article, it presents a possible motivation for not releasing the source code:
WAR
The hardware companies are starting to talk about breaking away from Google. HP has purchased palm and is releasing its own tablet. Now Motorola is rumored to be considering the same thing. The Blackberry Playbook Tablet is now up for pre-order on Best Buy. http://www.bestbuy.com/site/iPad-Tablet-PCs/Tablet-PCs/pcmcat209000050008.c?id=pcmcat209000050008
The Holy Grail in this business is to own BOTH the OS and the hardware. Know any other company who has done this? Begins with an A... named after a fruit....
Perhaps Google is reconsidering just how open-source it wants to be.
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All of this is not entirely true. The Holy Grail in business doesn't always mean you have to do hardware and OS. One pure example of where it didn't work out as planned is Nokia. Grant it there is more involved that just this, but it just serves as an example.
Mobile is a very complex platform that involves many, many factors. In fact one of Apples biggest moves in our decade was to switch from making their own in house processors(their own hardware) and to go with x86 Intel Chips (someone elses hardware). Yes apple puts the hardware together, but its not just their own hardware. Even for the iphone and ipad, do you know who makes the CPU/GPU for Apple phones? They partnered with a company called Samsung, who also makes android phones.
Motorola isn't rumored to be making their own OS, they are, but the kind of OS they are looking to build is much different from the android or apple. From what I have read in the technology articles they are building a web based phones, which is still very much an untapped market and will most likely be different than a smartphone experience. Motorola has done a solid job with the android platform so far. I love my droid, the droid X is great, the Atrix is a smart idea, and the Xoom is a solid device(all my personal opinion) , I think motorola is one of the best android devices out there right now and it makes sense for them to explore new territory, like they did with the Atrix. Honestly the other companies like HP need to find a way to compete in a sea of android devices especially with great manufactures like HTC and Motorola, i think its smart that they choose to differentiate themselves.(again my opinion)
There is no right way to do a business. Whether you choose to focus in do good in one thing, or create an empire that does many amazing things, every business has their way to what they do. I am not dissing apple, android, microsoft, nokia, you or anyone. But please you cannot break down these very complex companies with thousands of employees, dozens of divisions across the world into simple black and white answers.
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Take off your aluminum hat for a moment.
I hope you understand that the "holy grail" as you put it is a bit more complicated than you think. For those of us who ummmm....read and know ****. We refer to thing like that with a really fancy phrase called "vertical integration". Also, remember Apple is a vertical integration monster, owning the hardware, OS, AND * drum-roll* distribution channels. They've built their company up like this. Motorola is still a long way from having this sort of capability. They don't even own all their hardware. The article you posted contains statements taken out of context. Complaints like those are hardly rare and mostly amount to nothing.
I can promise you google will release the source code for Honeycomb. It is no surprise that they are withholding a product that was specifically designed for and still incomplete on the xoom. If they put out the source code small companies as well as every **** and jane could peddle incredibly ****ty software with google branding with a side pile of bricks large enough to build a bridge to russia. They rushed the release because of the Ipad 2. **** works OK. Give them some time to make 3.0 play nice with pretty much everything else, and if that includes phones, it might take awhile. Be patient.
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Thank you what I mostly feel as well.
With the release of Ice Cream comes the "merger" of the Android OS. One OS for both tablets and phones. But Google isn't quite that interested in tablets right now, it wants to work more at developing phones with it's acquired Motorola and partnership with Samsung. And with good reason.
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http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/20/tech/...ablets-wired/index.html?eref=mrss_igoogle_cnn
all speculation
I agree with rmxo it is all speculation, to be fair I can see how tablets are less lucrative than phones. People seem to think google is something more than a business.
Not that I wouldn't like to see ICS on the galaxy tab I suspect this awesome community will a get ics rom cooked before an official tab build gets released.
I actually think samsung should be on googles back regarding ics on the tab.
That's bull****. If Google didn't "care about tablets", they wouldn't have spent millions on Honeycomb development, risked alienating the user base by locking up source code, etc.
They care a great deal about tablets. They just weren't ready for tablets at the same time the manufacturers were ready to start making them.
There's a big difference.
the article's author's opinion is really biased imo...
so.. nah... if Google decides to do this which imo won't happen... they are pissing a lot of people off...
if google doesn't care about tablets... why bother making ICS 1280x720 as a default resolution?
Ridiculous. In terms of development, you focus on phones because it is a larger market, but failing to see the rise of the next big mass media device (tablets) is not the problem Google has here. They simply are saying, right now, we are focusing on bringing the tablet experience to phones. They are making development on both platforms more efficient with single dev on ICS. Tablets likely weren't talked big because really, ICS is HC for phones AND tablets. And although it brings more features that HC does not have, it is more or less HC at it's core experience.
Asus already announced the Transformer Prime and original transformer will have ICS by end of Dec.
LG G2x - 2.3.5 MIUI
Asus Transformer - 3.2 Revolver
Why did you post this here? It's pure speculation by one tech analyst, and has basically nothing to do with this forum.
Stupid article. Sometimes these tech writers have to make logic leaps to justify a story.
At first i thought it was curious that they didnt even mention tablets. Then it started to make sense.
1, this was a samsung and google event. It was supposed to highlight ICS and samsung's latest and greatest hardware. Showing a prototype Xoom would have taken away from samsung and you cant do that.
2, this was also google's opportunity to counter iOS 5. Sorta phone vs. phone. Ipad 3 is on the horizon and why would Google show their cards this early in the game. ICS is ready for tablets but I'm sure there will be a more advanced version released in a few months (around the time Ipad3 shows up) that will add new features.
I'm tired of "journalists" who write articles full of speculation and opinion and then arrive at some concrete 'conclusion' based on nothing but whatever thoughts flitted between their ears. Perhaps it's just me, but it seems like the vast majority of "technology journalists" are brain-dead iJobs fanboys looking to grind an axe and make Android as unattractive to the masses as they possibly can. It's like they're all part of some out-of-control confirmation bias machine, seeking to stroke each other's ego for their intelligence and good taste in selecting the latest iToy.
Unrelated: my wife who is deeply embedded in the Apple ecosystem was ready to throw her iPhone 4 against a wall last night when she realised that editing a contact record is disabled by default on iOS 5. Seriously, she had to dive into phone settings to enable the ability to add a phone number to an existing contact. WTF.
(please excuse my mini-rant, I have a cold and am medicating with a cocktail of OTC goodness)
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what's a tablet?
What's a tablet? Is a 5" screen device a tablet? Like for example the galaxy note? Is the Nexus Prime a bit of a tablet? No, maybe? The Galaxy Note with it's 5"+ screen is definitely almost a tablet. It has a split screen design of the software when turning the device in landscape. So it is running definitely tablet like software.
The boundary between tablets and phones isn't clear cut. And in the future the boundary will become more vague. For Android that is. That's why they focused with ICS on a sort of OS that will run on both "tablets" and "phones". From that perspective one can say that tablets are equally well supported as phones.
Here's an interesting interview with Rubin http://allthingsd.com/20111019/andy-rubin-video-highlights-from-asiad-video/ In it Androids position on tablets is very clearly explained. They just want to make an OS that supports all screensizes. (Btw Rubin says they sold 6 million tablets.. that's like 100% more than what the CNN article says)
I don't necessarily agree with Rubin's position on this, but at least it is a interesting one Again, what's a tablet anyway for a mobile operating system? A phone with a big screen? (Without calling abilities)
The strategy seems that Google is leaving it to hardware manufacturers if they want to support tablets. The software is ready for it.
My only question with this strategy is if Google can trigger developers enough to make specific outstanding tablet software. They expect developers to target all screensizes. And with the new ICS this is possible and easy. So that's okay. Nevertheless, for a developer who only wants to target the tablet because his design only fits on a tablet this won't work. Either s/he has to make a poor small screen implementation of his software or s/he sticks to a tablet only version. But the last decision will only work if they make a clear cut separation on the Android market. But then they have to make a separation after all.....
Croak said:
They care a great deal about tablets. They just weren't ready for tablets at the same time the manufacturers were ready to start making them.
There's a big difference
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I agree with this part...and that's why we ended up with betas
I think it would be cool if devs made apps that would scale up and have a tablet UI if the app is downloaded on a tablet and scale down and have a phone ui if its on a phone. Yeah it would be annoying to make 2 ui but its better than making 2 apps when trying to promote your app.
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Serious_Beans said:
I think it would be cool if devs made apps that would scale up and have a tablet UI if the app is downloaded on a tablet and scale down and have a phone ui if its on a phone. Yeah it would be annoying to make 2 ui but its better than making 2 apps when trying to promote your app.
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In my experience, most well written apps already scale quite well the way you want already. However, it's really up to the devs because some of them may want to make a bit more money by having two separate apps (a phone one and a tablet / HD one).
Serious_Beans said:
I think it would be cool if devs made apps that would scale up and have a tablet UI if the app is downloaded on a tablet and scale down and have a phone ui if its on a phone. Yeah it would be annoying to make 2 ui but its better than making 2 apps when trying to promote your app.
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The question is if every tablet app can have a small screen counter app. One can't demand from developers that they (for example) design a great word processor for tablets and also create a mobile phone counterpart at once.
If the market won't have clear cut tablet sections in the future, I don't expect much tablets apps for the future. It's not worthwhile for a developer to invest in good tablet design if its app will be hidden in the market between the "scalable apps"
appelflap said:
The question is if every tablet app can have a small screen counter app. One can't demand from developers that they (for example) design a great word processor for tablets and also create a mobile phone counterpart at once.
If the market won't have clear cut tablet sections in the future, I don't expect much tablets apps for the future. It's not worthwhile for a developer to invest in good tablet design if its app will be hidden in the market between the "scalable apps"
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True. That's why I like the way Apple has structured their market -- iPad only / iPhone only / iPad+iPhone (with that '+' sign to indicate such apps).
The new Android market does provide recommendations specifically for tablets though.
True. That's why I like the way Apple has structured their market -- iPad only / iPhone only / iPad+iPhone (with that '+' sign to indicate such apps).
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You see thats the **** part about apple strategy.
Why should I pay twice for the same app?
best example angry birds.
Its perfectly playable on android phones and tablets and most importantly we have it for free or 99p/$
on iDevices you pay for the same app twice just so it looks a little bit better on the iPad than iPhone.
If you think about it. If Apple releases new iPad with higher resolution all iBoys will have to buy the app again..
I think best example of how Android market (and apps) should be is by looking at apps like Flixter or IMDB
Ugh I should of never got this tab, I love android I really disapointed.
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MattSkeet said:
You see thats the **** part about apple strategy.
Why should I pay twice for the same app?
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AFAIK, Apple leaves it up to the developer -- there are several apps which you can buy once and they will work on both the iPad and iPhone at the appropriate resolution for each device (the ones with the '+' sign indicated). However, there are developers who would rather make you buy two different versions instead.
So I don't know if it's fair to blame Apple (or Google) for separate tablet / phone apps. However, Google is to be blamed for not making it easy to determine which apps will function correctly on tablets (and quite a few don't).
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iloveandroid16 said:
Ugh I should of never got this tab, I love android I really disapointed.
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Out of curiosity, what is it about Android that you love and is not present on the tablet?