honeycomb has some ui glitches when running on our nooks, but honeycomb 3.2 is optimized for 7in screens, so if somebody were to make a honeycomb 3.2 rom for the nook, would that fix the ui glitches
Honeycomb 3.2 is still just a rumor. Granted Acer made the comment about it, but even when it comes out, we still wont have the source code until Google releases it. Our main problem is the display drivers we have for the nook don't support the lancher app in Honeycomb. Since the nook is using older technology, unless new drivers are made/released we'll need to find our own workarounds or continue to use software rendering for the UI.
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Honeycomb 3.2 is still just a rumor.
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Not according to this it's not: http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/20/huawei-mediapad-revealed-worlds-first-7-inch-android-3-2-table/
It's here folks -- the planet's first Android 3.2 tablet. Huawei just introduced a downright luscious new slate over in Singapore, with CommunicAsia being the launchpad for the 7-inch MediaPad. It's the first high-profile 7-inch tablet we've seen in quite some time, and somehow or another, it's managed to leapfrog most of the currently shipping Honeycomb tablets with a build of Android we've only ever joked about. Huawei tells us that Honeycomb 3.2 is essentially the same as 3.1, but specifically tailored to 7-inch tablets as opposed to 10-inch. Packed within the MediaPad's 10.5mm shell, there's a 217 pixels-per-inch IPS capacitive touchpanel, GPS, 1.3 megapixel front-facing camera, 5 megapixel rear-facing camera, 802.11n WiFi, a battery good for around six hours of life and a bona fide racehorse as a processor: a dual-core 1.2GHz chip from Qualcomm. If all goes well, it'll ship in the United States in Q3 2011.
It's a fair bit chunkier than the newfangled Galaxy Tab 10.1 (8.6mm), but still slimmer than the original Tab, which clocked in at 11.98mm. It weighs in at 390g (0.86 pounds), supports full 1080p playback, includes HSPA+ (14.4Mbps) 3G support, offers 8GB of internal storage (as well as a microSD slot) and comes pre-loaded with Facebook, Twitter, Let's Golf and Documents To Go. There's also a Bluetooth module, an HDMI output for catching those high-def flicks on the go, and the Flash 10.3 player ensures that those websites won't be a problem. Unfortunately, the company's left a great deal to the imagination -- like pricing, which is being "sorted with retail partners and providers" -- and all we've got for system RAM is a promise that it's "working with partners on specifics." Oddly enough, the company has "no current plans" to produce a WiFi-only model, which definitely puts a damper on those who aren't interested in ponying for carrier data. You can bet we'll be digging for more, but even with the surrounding mystery, calling us "excited" would be a severe understatement.
Update: There's a demo vid just after the break, and the first eyes-on shots have emerged from the conference.
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honeycomb has some ui glitches when running on our nooks, but honeycomb 3.2 is optimized for 7in screens, so if somebody were to make a honeycomb 3.2 rom for the nook, would that fix the ui glitches
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Deeper blue may have more insight into 3.1, but working on 3.01, screen size never even appeared to be an issue. Our issues have always been with the drivers and properly compiling the OS for our hardware. Frankly, i have no doubt that if we had AOSP 3.0/3.1, we would have had something nearly as smooth as CM7 right now in no time....
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Deeper blue may have more insight into 3.1, but working on 3.01, screen size never even appeared to be an issue. Our issues have always been with the drivers and properly compiling the OS for our hardware. Frankly, i have no doubt that if we had AOSP 3.0/3.1, we would have had something nearly as smooth as CM7 right now in no time....
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The problem is, I fear we won't see the source for a long time to come.
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The problem is, I fear we won't see the source for a long time to come.
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Once the time has come for the source to drop we shall all have moved on to newer, better, cheaper tablets and our Nooks will sit alone on bar stools and drink heavily and cry, just cry. While remembering their former days of glory, when geeks of all ages would gawk and stare in amazement at what the $250 tablet could accomplish, the golden days, our Nooks will toast & reminisce... Glory, Glory, Glory!!!! Remember the humble Nook Color and weep!
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Once the time has come for the source to drop we shall all have moved on to newer, better, cheaper tablets and our Nooks will sit alone on bar stools and drink heavily and cry, just cry. While remembering their former days of glory, when geeks of all ages would gawk and stare in amazement at what the $250 tablet could accomplish, the golden days, our Nooks will toast & reminisce... Glory, Glory, Glory!!!! Remember the humble Nook Color and weep!
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Being supported by a "major" ROM like Cyanogenmod I bet we will get a couple Android versions out of this device.
I just wish the NC development scene would explode so even in the next year or so, the NC won't be forgotten. Considering it's only really CM, Phiremod, HC test builds, and some 1.2 builds, I'm not excited for the future of NC development.
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I just wish the NC development scene would explode so even in the next year or so, the NC won't be forgotten. Considering it's only really CM, Phiremod, HC test builds, and some 1.2 builds, I'm not excited for the future of NC development.
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Speak for yourself, CM7 with Tablet Tweaks is amazing. I dont need 10 different roms with ugly themes on them, i just need 1 solid rom thats customizable and thats what the Nook offers. If you are looking for something to flash a new rom for every night out of bordem, look to the Evo 4G forum, they flash for flashing sake.
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Speak for yourself, CM7 with Tablet Tweaks is amazing. I dont need 10 different roms with ugly themes on them, i just need 1 solid rom thats customizable and thats what the Nook offers. If you are looking for something to flash a new rom for every night out of bordem, look to the Evo 4G forum, they flash for flashing sake.
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I have an Incredible and I stick with CM7 nightlies on it too, the point I was trying to make is that even if it's 10 different roms with "ugly themes" it's still development, it's still interest, it's variety.
CM7 with tablet tweaks is undoubtedly a brilliant success, and I'm infinitely grateful for the efforts of the CM team, and Murdock. Phiremod is also brilliant, and has proven incredibly serviceable for me.
However, I'll say that I am still anxious to get a working build of Honeycomb. I hope DB, Divine_Madcat, et al won't see this as a criticism of their work, because I genuinely appreciate all the efforts that have been put in thus far - I'd just like to be able to have it at a DD state.
At that point, I think I'd settle.
For some reason it seems the Nook Color Community is dying out. When I got my Nook around March, there were at least 2 new threads in the dev section everyday. Now, it's lucky to get a new ROM in a month. And yet still, devices that are older get new stuff faster than us. So I highly doubt we will get Honeycomb that fast, even with the source.
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However, I'll say that I am still anxious to get a working build of Honeycomb. I hope DB, Divine_Madcat, et al won't see this as a criticism of their work, because I genuinely appreciate all the efforts that have been put in thus far - I'd just like to be able to have it at a DD state.
At that point, I think I'd settle.
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Well, you certainly won't offend me. As it is, i wish i had the ability to make the SDK build more than it is; but I have hit my roadblocks. Our next big project will be ICS, since we should have the source for that, and with the lessons learned from CM7, make it into a daily use product fairly quickly. As we go one, we will see our hardware becoming more dated, but sadly, that happens to the best of us.
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For some reason it seems the Nook Color Community is dying out. When I got my Nook around March, there were at least 2 new threads in the dev section everyday. Now, it's lucky to get a new ROM in a month. And yet still, devices that are older get new stuff faster than us. So I highly doubt we will get Honeycomb that fast, even with the source.
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Look, im sorry, but i am going to be blunt; just because we aren't getting a million "me too!" roms, does not mean we are dying out. If anything, we are ramping up as CM7 gets more and more polished. i mean, in just the last week, USB host support got released for the nook, adding in a second hardware feature officially unlocked. Dalingrin, Fattire, nemith verygreen, and others, have been tirelessly working on our device, and that doesn't show signs of stopping.
As it is, we have gone from a basic ereader, to:
a fully fledged tablet running Android 2.3, overclocked to 1.2-1.3Ghz, with hidden bluetooth and USB host enabled, and dev support that has not faltered since Nov. I would not trade our dev group for any other out there.
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Look, im sorry, but i am going to be blunt; just because we aren't getting a million "me too!" roms, does not mean we are dying out. If anything, we are ramping up as CM7 gets more and more polished. i mean, in just the last week, USB host support got released for the nook, adding in a second hardware feature officially unlocked. Dalingrin, Fattire, nemith verygreen, and others, have been tirelessly working on our device, and that doesn't show signs of stopping.
As it is, we have gone from a basic ereader, to:
a fully fledged tablet running Android 2.3, overclocked to 1.2-1.3Ghz, with hidden bluetooth and USB host enabled, and dev support that has not faltered since Nov. I would not trade our dev group for any other out there.
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Thank you! Isn't it quality that we want over quantity? I'd much rather have 1 GOOD implementation of an OS than 20 bad ones. CM7 is amazing, the work that Divine_Madcat and deeperblue did with HC is rather remarkable considering how little they had to work with.
It's kind of like a free market economy: those that are successful will float to the top, and that's what's happened in this dev community. The good ROMs have definitely stuck around, and the questionable ones didn't. That doesn't mean the community is on its death bed, it just means that the community is maturing. That's a very good thing, IMO.
Yeah, here's another small article on that 7" Android 3.2 tablet. I agree that it'd be wonderful if this could be brought over to the Nook Color, whether it's built from source (ideal scenario) or "ported" from an existing build as with the current Honeycomb builds for the NC. Just the fact that everything is tuned for the exact size screen we have is huge!
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Yeah, here's another small article on that 7" Android 3.2 tablet. I agree that it'd be wonderful if this could be brought over to the Nook Color, whether it's built from source (ideal scenario) or "ported" from an existing build as with the current Honeycomb builds for the NC. Just the fact that everything is tuned for the exact size screen we have is huge!
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Sadly, i don't see it helping too much. The build from that device MIGHT help get rid of the 120DPI limitation, but that is about it.
Now, if somebody were to release a HC tablet built on the Omap 3630, we would be much closer to business...
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Sadly, i don't see it helping too much. The build from that device MIGHT help get rid of the 120DPI limitation, but that is about it.
Now, if somebody were to release a HC tablet built on the Omap 3630, we would be much closer to business...
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Like the phone market, if someone released a low budget HC tablet running a single core. Don't see it happening though.
There are three things that excite me about this Android 3.2 tablet:
1. Honeycomb being changed for a 7 inch screen. I always thought Honeycomb was too much for 7 inches (without going to an insane low DPI). I would love to know what tweaks they made.
2. Unless I missed something this is the first Honeycomb tablet that is not Tegra. That hopefully means the days of Honeycomb apps being Tegra only in many cases is coming to an end. Since Chainfire doesn't work on Honeycomb it would be nice if the app developers did away with the Tegra requirement voluntarily.
3. I am excited that the above two improvements will surely be baked into ICS from the start, meaning that once we DO get the source for Android tablets, we will be able to have a version made for a 7 inch screen.
As far as getting before ICS? Well to me it seems like Honeycomb 3.2 is to Huawei what Honeycomb 3.0 was to Motorola- an OS they get first as reward for being such good Android vendors (read $$$).
It will be winter before we know it, then we get the source for all this cool stuff. Google's gotta pay for that Honeycomb development first...
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For some reason it seems the Nook Color Community is dying out. When I got my Nook around March, there were at least 2 new threads in the dev section everyday.
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I think there are two reasons for that. One is the release of Cyanogenmod stable, the other is Google announcing that they will not release the source code for Honeycomb. CM covers that basics pretty well, and the lack of HC source makes it difficult to explore the cutting edge.
I think that Cyanogenmod will eventually release a ROM for the Nook Color based on Ice Cream Sandwich, when (or if) Google decides to release the source code for that. The ICS source code may revive the rest of the Nook Color development community as well by making it easier to put out cutting edge ROMs.
"ICS by the end of the year" could mean Cyanogenmod and others won't get their hands on the source code until December 31. What I find unsettling about this situation is that right now the manufacturers of new tablets have to crawl on their hands and knees to Google in order to release a Honeycomb tablet. Once Google gets used to having that power and control, will they ever go back to the old, more open way again?
While I do NOT want to wait 'til December for Google to get its act together, the current state of CM does a lot for my patience. I'll use a gadget for as long as it's useful to me. The Palm IIIx still gets used every day, the NC may be no different.
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title says it, i have a direct line contact with a rep at Stream TV Networks, Inc, the manufacturer of the Elocity Tablets. a few weeks ago i submitted a web inquiry to the support site, stating that i was a user here on the XDA Developers site, and that there was progress being made to better the tablet. i asked that someone take the time to atleast visit this site and if willing to lend us a hand in uncovering the 'mysteries' of the tablet. i didnt hear anything and really didnt expect i would, until earlier today... i got a mysterious call on my cell so i let it go to VM, and forgot about it until just now. i listened to it, and low and behold it was a rep from Stream TV, saying they got my message, and was also visited by someone from XDA while at CES. now im in SW Florida so that visitor wasnt me, but someone out there face to face dropped the XDA sites name.
now i personally am a beginner rom cooker for windows 6.0 thru 6.5 at best, and android is still very new to me, but i would hate to lose this potential contact. im willing to do the leg work, and guess i might need to learn more very fast, but if a developer would like to work with me, and i can get them in contact with the Stream TV rep, maybe we can knock down walls here....
forgive the grammatical and spelling errors, but i need to get this to the community asap
im planning on calling the rep back tomorrow, and find out what he is all about, and how he can help us...
are there any educated questions that might want to have answered? that will help the community improve this product...
its even possible that since they are fully aware of us (XDA) they might even be watching the threads....
imagine, if a new vendor were to actually join the forum and help the community, just imagine the possibilities...
come on down Mr. Robertson (reps last name)...
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I met with eLocity this past weekend at CES 2011. The new A7 will not be out until Mid Feb to March. There will be a few new A7 models as well as several 10-inch models.
I actually went over my issues with them and they requested me to send them an email outlining them also. They have several updates still planned for this device and are very much behind improving it as well as releasing their new line.
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so it appears that i now know who 'the guy' is that met with them at CES...
I'm the one who contact them, I told them how great this site was and that Dexter should be sent a free Tablet to better and to provide him a job with the company to better this device as they are brand new in the market, I also advised they needed to create forums as this site was the only way of knowing what was to become in the future of the tablet. If i wasn't for XDA people wouldn't even know about it.
It seems a few of us met with them at CES 2011. Which is good. I talked with a few of their staff including the head software engineer there. Like I said, I got a real sense that they are going to work out the kinks that exist in the eLocity A7.
I brought up XDA and that there was work being done on that side and that it was important they didn't abandon their FIRST device as the new ones come out. It would be similar to what Augen did. The eLocity A7 is still ahead of many tablets coming out with its Tegra 2 processor so their is no reason for it to be left behind as if it were obsolete. They did say several updates were still planned for this device.
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Well... good.
I wrote to tech support a week ago, never got a reply either by phone or email, and I just got my RMA to return the tablet. There's just so much aggravation one can take in this life.
If they keep up with this forum, they could at least provide some kind of firmware info, even if it's not a commitment. Like most techies (which I've managed for 30 years) they're wholly uncaring about the user experience... but the marketing people should know better.
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I wrote to tech support a week ago, never got a reply either by phone or email, and I just got my RMA to return the tablet. There's just so much aggravation one can take in this life.
If they keep up with this forum, they could at least provide some kind of firmware info, even if it's not a commitment. Like most techies (which I've managed for 30 years) they're wholly uncaring about the user experience... but the marketing people should know better.
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I completely agree. Their tech support so far has been somewhat lacking. I remember calling a few weeks ago to get more information on the firmware patch they released and the "tech" literally went to website and read verbatim what was on the screen. I was like, "I can read the website too thanks." Her response was literally "yeah sorry we don't know anymore than what you do." Yeah....I understand they are a brand new company and are looking to launch a whole slew of new tabs so their focus may be a bit off but they shouldn't forget those that had enough faith in them to invest in their inaugural tablet.
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I completely agree. Their tech support so far has been somewhat lacking. I remember calling a few weeks ago to get more information on the firmware patch they released and the "tech" literally went to website and read verbatim what was on the screen. I was like, "I can read the website too thanks." Her response was literally "yeah sorry we don't know anymore than what you do." Yeah....I understand they are a brand new company and are looking to launch a whole slew of new tabs so their focus may be a bit off but they shouldn't forget those that had enough faith in them to invest in their inaugural tablet.
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"Lacking" is a mighty nice way of putting it. I would have said incompetent! Heck, they've done more harm than good with all the misinformation they have provided since day one!
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didnt get a chance to talk with the rep until today and heres the highlight of how it went:
Q. why was the google marketplace not installed from the beginning.
A. google was not at the time signing off on tablet machines, thus no digital signature to access the marketplace.
the lead tech for the A7 has informed the rep that GAPPs can run on the tablet, and acknowledges that we appear to be weeks ahead of them with that...
Q. will honeycomb be offerend officially for the A7 when it comes out?
A. for the current version of the A7, no. there are hardware limitations that will not allow for a fully functioning upgrade. if we can port over honeycomb we can and a limited function version.
Q. will the A10 have honeycomb?
A. not initially, but it will be upgradeable officially. and the newer versions of the A7 will be multi-touch and allow for honeycomb.
he acknowledged that their tech support at this time was indeed struggling. they are still working on firmware upgrades for the current A7, and they dont want to force an upgrade everytime they fix something, but rather in patches...
i did ask about some of our other issues such as trying to get clockwork functioning, and our troubles with apps like skype. although i did not get an official stance on how far they are willing to help, he did say i could pass his information along to some* of the active developers to help imporve the product... ive already sent the info along to Dexter, we shall see what happens there.... during our talk i was also informed of some other info that might hep explain our skype issue.... ill fill in that info into the skype thread....
i also expressed my disappointment in the face that GAPPs was not there from the get go, and had i been a common 'plug and play' user, this thing would of gone back immediatly... but i had faith in XDA...
i did encourage them to become active in this thread and let it be known that the manufacturer is truly here to help...
I don't understand why the A7 was launched, then improve upon the next release after many have purchased the original A7. Many purchased the device around their mis-leading hype. I'm not completely dissatisfied with the device, but it would be my last. I'm hopefull some bright enterprising soul will look at this device and squeeze out what ever potential it has.
If the updates are only to fix what should have already been the box, then what's the use? A real update will exploit features and hidden potentials in the device that people want. This would speak volumes to their future and the future of products offered. Two cents worth.
i was not thrilled either hearing about lack of 'official future' for this device... but for $300 it did come with some powerful hardware, solid build (minus the multi touch and unlit buttons)... for what we have now (modification wise) i do feel better about my purchase... i just hope theres more improvments that we can squeeze out of this before the next generation comes out...
also mentioned about some of the lost features after the first update, like loss of sd-card formatting, and why they chose the mounting methods they did with sdcard and sdcard-0
im still using 1.0c version and havent looked at the 1/15 elocity or 1.1 dexter update yet...
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I don't understand why the A7 was launched, then improve upon the next release after many have purchased the original A7. Many purchased the device around their mis-leading hype. I'm not completely dissatisfied with the device, but it would be my last. I'm hopefull some bright enterprising soul will look at this device and squeeze out what ever potential it has.
If the updates are only to fix what should have already been the box, then what's the use? A real update will exploit features and hidden potentials in the device that people want. This would speak volumes to their future and the future of products offered. Two cents worth.
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I'm of like mind here. I've got a few more days before I need to request and RMA from tigerdirect.
For the most part, this device meets my needs, but the simple fact that elocity can't get simple 2.2 features implemented properly (like apps2sd) is ridiculous. They can't even get the device to report the size of the SD. The screen (even without the multi-touch issues) is pretty horrible. Web pages look ok, but photos look awful.
I'm bummed. I want so much to like this device, but its got a few too many disappointments. Maybe I'll get the Archos A70 - or even the Nook color (is it the same 800Mhz processor in the new Evo Shift?). Not quite as powerful, but much better SW implementation.
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I'm of like mind here. I've got a few more days before I need to request and RMA from tigerdirect.
For the most part, this device meets my needs, but the simple fact that elocity can't get simple 2.2 features implemented properly (like apps2sd) is ridiculous. They can't even get the device to report the size of the SD. The screen (even without the multi-touch issues) is pretty horrible. Web pages look ok, but photos look awful.
I'm bummed. I want so much to like this device, but its got a few too many disappointments. Maybe I'll get the Archos A70 - or even the Nook color (is it the same 800Mhz processor in the new Evo Shift?). Not quite as powerful, but much better SW implementation.
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Sadly, I feel the same. Hardware wise the A7 is amazing, but lack of true multitouch, not so great viewing angles and most important, no future upgrade path is doing it for me.. I will also be rrturning it to BJ (with the extended January 24 return). Elocity can't complain we didn't give it a chance..
I HAD an Archos 70 for a little over a month before the screen broke on me. Those tablets are so thin they tend to be dangerously fragile. In addition, the firmware Archos has put out is terrible, still no certified FLASH from Adobe, and like the A7 almost every good App has to be hacked onto the tablet including the G-Apps package. Also, the A70's performance (only 256 RAM) was sub-par, it would often freeze, reboot, or lag far beyond what I've seen with the elocity A7. Since I loaded Dexters rom, I have been quite happy with my A7, and would not recommend any Archos product to anyone beyond the Gen7 A5 which runs Android 1.6 (donut?), but has a great DVR/TV dock, but obviously does not do Flash. I will say Archos has a larger community, but hopefully XDA and Stream can build on this product and its capabilities.
Please tell to Stream TV Networks about GPL
Let they post kernel sources, like bigger companies did and we will have ability to improve some functions with custom roms
Here list of tables which have or have not kernel sources
http://www.codon.org.uk/~mjg59/android_tablets/
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I moved on from the Elocity A7, got a Viewsonic G Tablet. Its $379 and with kernel source code the devs have made some great roms. Only negative is the screen.
I moved on from the Viewsonic G Tablet to the Elocity A7. I found the screen and the skin on the Viewsonic G to be unusable. The eLocity with the Dexter mod is a much better tablet.
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Q. will honeycomb be offerend officially for the A7 when it comes out?
A. for the current version of the A7, no. there are hardware limitations that will not allow for a fully functioning upgrade. if we can port over honeycomb we can and a limited function version.
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From their FAQ page:Q: Will Android 3.0 Gingerbread be supported on the Tablet?
A: We anticipate that the Tegra 2 processor should have the ability to support the future Android release, but we cannot confirm it until Gingerbread has been officially released.
So is multi-touch the limitation that won't allow Honeycomb to run at all? I guess I can't understand why multi-touch would be absolutely necessary to navigate an OS. I thought when Google made a big deal about the upcoming Tegra II tablets being their design standard, that the processor is the critical piece, which would make sense to me. But multi-touch? I'm going to be really upset if I have to switch tablets again. I guess I'll wait to see what the big deal about 3.0 is when its released/reviewed before I go to Craigslist...again....
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I had both before returning the A70 because I couldn't put up without a USB-to-computer cable connection.
I felt the Archos 70 was nearly perfect (light and stylish), but the 256MB RAM kills it. It'll get progressively slower.
The Nook is a great device. I loaded the mod and it was virtually a full-functioning tablet with a fantastic screen and sweet to hold, but the lack of real functioning Android buttons makes navigation possible but awkward. If B&N releases 2.2 and all its goodies, it's a good unit at $249.
For now, I'm tabletless. I'm amazed to me that designers have not started from a list of desirable features. The Nook is really designed as an e-reader and it's a great device as such, but the gTab (which I also returned), A70 and Archos all left out critical features that would have been cheap and easy to include...
I know details about ICS are thus far quite scarce, but this is more a question about the NC development process:
Can developers in the know about the NC venture a guess on whether ICS will be able to be ported, assuming an open-source release?
I would be more than happy with an answer in a gray scale like: impossible/possible/likely/very likely/etc.
Thanks for any help (this is both to satisfy curiosity but also to possibly convince myself that $200 is a good investment).
*EDIT* D'oh! Posted after I had searched a bit, but obviously not quite enough, apologies. Here is a thread with some info from at least two of what I gather to be the premier NC developers:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1073469&page=2
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The Nook Color running CM7 is a fantastic tablet in and of itself, with tans of thousands of software applications to choose from. If an Ice Cream Sandwich port never comes down the pipe, I'll still be happy with what the NC gave me.
Honestly, I wouldn't base my decision on ICS. Chances are, by the time its ported, you'll want to move on to a newer, faster tablet anyway. What's great about the NC is that its very cheap and capable, meaning that it's a great holdover until the Android tablet market matures (in both software and hardware).
Go for it, I say.
If ICS goes to AOSP, you can pretty much guarantee a rom for the Nook, we even have somewhat working ports of Honeycomb, and they are just ports.
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The Nook Color running CM7 is a fantastic tablet in and of itself, with tans of thousands of software applications to choose from. If an Ice Cream Sandwich port never comes down the pipe, I'll still be happy with what the NC gave me.
Honestly, I wouldn't base my decision on ICS. Chances are, by the time its ported, you'll want to move on to a newer, faster tablet anyway. What's great about the NC is that its very cheap and capable, meaning that it's a great holdover until the Android tablet market matures (in both software and hardware).
Go for it, I say.
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Yeah I am leaning that way as well, especially since the chances of another 200 dollar tablet of similar quality running ICS is probably not too likely, at least this year. Worse case scenario it should still read books, continue to stream netflix (hopefully), and run some of the basic android apps that I would want it to.
Thanks for the replies!
IMHO Ice Cream Sandwich will be the best thing that happened to our Nooks next to buying them
Dumping the one with android on it! http://rootzwiki.com/showthread.php?t=3692 http://rootzwiki.com/showthread.php?t=3752
Second Link is full dump.
I take no responsibility or credit for this, I am just showing it on XDA for those of you who's Android souls rest only on XDA.
They are having some drama, but it's not dead.
http://rootzwiki.com/showthread.php?t=3620
Trsohmers is no longer on that team, I will have information from both teams, I don't care about the drama, but here is trsohmers with it flashed on his.
http://vimeo.com/28167038
http://webos-internals.org
http://rootzwiki.com/showthread.php?t=3327
Thanks guys, this is great, I just want to spread it to XDA, they have changed the OP, there is less info, so I will post links to the wiki and their website.
Website
http://touch-droid.com/
Wiki
http://www.fzservers.com/touchdroid/index.php?title=Main_Page
Touchdroid - Android for the HP Touchpad - From RootzWiki
Reserved for future use.
Touchdroid - Android for the HP Touchpad - From RootzWiki
Team Touchdroid is porting honeycomb for us! Get a look at their progress here:
http://rootzwiki.com/showthread.php?t=3327
Apparently those guys porting did the work on the nook color, these folks and more are working on it:
Team consists of @ProTekkFZS , @rhcp011235, @Framework43 & Long2know
Good luck guys, I know it will be done before I even get to know webOS
Ok gentlemen, here is the situation. The HP Touchpad can now be had for $88. I just bought two of these capacitative touchscreened 1.2 ghz dual cored and gpu equipped tablets. With a 1gb of ram and all the other guts needed, IF YOU WANT A HP TOUCHPAD AS OF MIDNIGHT AUGUST 22nd LOOK HERE!
http://gifts.barnesandnoble.com/HP-...c=AFFILIATES-_-Linkshare-_-lw9MynSeamY-_-10:1
Fact: an Ipad 2 was displayed running web os.
Fact: Honeycomb's newest edition supports the Qualcomm dual core inside the touchpad.
Fact: HP may unlock the touchpad per se, make it open source, who know's what is going to happen to it, but I know this:
Fact: the market is going to be FLOODED with these tablets, for $100 thats insanely cheap for a good email and browsing tablet that has enough speed for normal users. So, I say we spin this messy situation around and find out how doable this is, because if it isn't hard, then we could potentially have a nice honeycomb tablet with a capacitative screen, nice capacity and specs, for $88 dollars. This is insane and we should capitalize upon it!
even if nothing comes of this, I think it's worth the $88 to use as an internet slate and watching stuff on trips, soooo cheap. I mean hell I can buy a chinese android tablet that is 2.1 and has a piece of crap resistive screen for $200!! Not to mention the 416 mh processors they come with! Yuck.
For that price, I bought two touchpads. Hell I'd even use them as remote displays, computer monitor is 120 bucks...
Ok guys so I looked into it a bit, and honeycomb 3.2 is the iteration with snapdragon, the touchpad CPU, support. I know that Google has had honecomb down under lock, so I don't know whether we can get a 3.2 build without porting that as well. What's crucial here, is that the Viewsonic G-tablet, an originally Froyo device, is running Honeycomb thanks to XDA port-masters. We need to pull our resources with the G-tablet guys, the honeycomb chefs with the Xoom and Transformer, and most importantly, someone who can get us the Qualcomm supported Honeycomb 3.2! If someone could brave the bee stings and steal it from the hive(Google? ), we can get our delicious honeycomb all over our new.....Touchcomb? Honeypad? HP Combpad? I like Combpad, but maybe...Clonepad...Copypad....gotta get a catchy name for this bandwagon, I would love to see every touchpad ever made converted to honeycomb. Such a useful piece of hardware that HP paid $322 to manufacture...
That and if everyone gave their Touchpad android I'd be known as the guy at the top of a very tall hill who chucked a small ball hoping to watch it turn into boulder...to crush Appletown. Wouldn't it be awesome if everyone bought a touchpad for $88 this Christmas and slapped android it, that would piss off Steve Jobs.
IF YOU ARE FOLLOWING THE TOUCHPAD, YOU'RE GONNA LOVE THIS:
Team Touchdroid is porting Honeycomb over for us! Get their attention and tell them to stick their heads in here
Check it out:
http://twitter.com/#!/search/#touchdroid
Proof that this is one hell of a deal, check out the GPU inside the touchpad:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=es2iEHKUrG8
S i m p l y B a d a s s .
I think I hear a Wii screaming in agony, because its graphics suck more than a $88 tablet! This Adreno chip even does surround sound with 1080p...Suck on that consoles
MehLon said:
Anyone know if there's anywhere in the UK that's doing the fire sale? And as for porting Honeycomb over, that would make it insane
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Honeycomb is complicated, because it's closed source.
But Gingerbread/Ice Cream Sandwich/even full GNU/Linux like Ubuntu should be quite easy (as long as bootloader isn't locked in any way - I'm uninformed on that matter).
We have kernels for practically identical SoCs available already (HTC Sensation/Evo 3D). Only a matter of time I dare to say.
with the update to webos 3.0.2 68, any potential issues that may affect the ability to install android.... From what i have read on the touchdroid wiki page it looks like the device is completely open. Can anyone confirm there was no protection added... Has anyone done the update yet?
I tweeted to rootzwiki to come join us. Told them we are following their project. Dunno if they'll join but would be nice if they did.
sent from my 7/23 iNfEcTeD EVO 4G
defo not dead, far from it so it seems...
http://rootzwiki.com/showthread.php?t=3620
Well I think having Android 2.35 on the Touchpad should be officially here soon:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xH-ppbMJaQ&feature=channel_video_title
Mind you, Honeycomb or Ice Cream Sandwich would provide a better experience.
hotweiss said:
Well I think having Android 2.35 on the Touchpad should be officially here soon:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xH-ppbMJaQ&feature=channel_video_title
Mind you, Honeycomb or Ice Cream Sandwich would provide a better experience.
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If you pay close attention, the way he is holding the camera is not the same as what is on the screen, I personally, think he is just playing a fullscreen video, and almost touching the screen for what he does.
I think this guy might be legit
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0t1RyqQTvyQ
lev777 said:
I think this guy might be legit
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0t1RyqQTvyQ
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Don't think he's legit, too convenient and closed, probably just wants the money.
Sent from my CM7 Nook Color @1200mhz
http://www.ebay.com/itm/23066458508...85087&_sacat=See-All-Categories&_fvi=1&_rdc=1
That's it for sale...
He mentioned it under the videos comments...
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/23066458508...85087&_sacat=See-All-Categories&_fvi=1&_rdc=1
That's it for sale...
He mentioned it under the videos comments...
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This guy just outwitted everyone....lol if you are desperate for it...get it and then you can claim your $2000 bounty...he gets away with instant cash!
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I can get 2.3 to flash and run through the webos emulator but it runs like [email protected]!t and i cant get the same thing going on my touch =/
mythamp said:
This guy just outwitted everyone....lol if you are desperate for it...get it and then you can claim your $2000 bounty...he gets away with instant cash!
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not so fast,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTLZHH50V7A
I really hope that guy pans out!
bmxfro said:
I really hope that guy pans out!
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I do as well.
-Sent from my Droid Incredible-
I am making this sticky thread to allow discussion of all other tablets and theie comparison to the Xoom. Feel free to discuss thoughts on upgrading, specs, and value of swapping. Please respect other members and their opinions. Flaming is against forum rules so again please be respectful.
Thanks
FNM
well as i just ordered my Xoom yesterday and it should be at my house this afternoon, and since it is my first tablet, i will say that i did a lot of research (no hands on though) on a few tablets before i decided to get the Xoom.
what i like about it is its history as being the first tablet with Honeycomb and one of the first to get ICS. And now will be one of the first to get JB so a big plus is the support for the device. Couple that with Google's purchase of Motorola and it seems like a match made in heaven
i know there are smaller, thinner, lighter tablets out there, but for the price and specs, its more than i need and i am sure i will be very happy with it
I'll take this opportunity to say that imho, the OG Xoom on team EOS ROM is still the best tablet currently available. It will be even better once it has been updated to Jelly Bean (Android 4.1) later in July.
I have been hankering for a new toy and have been looking at the Nexus 7, in part because I know that team EOS is going to be developing for it. But I'm wondering if I'll really be happy with it, seeing as it is missing some important features (especially no sdcard slot). 7 inch form factor is really nice for reading and gaming. It's easy to carry around too, but I have no problems carrying my Xoom in my backpack. I'm not sure about getting it yet, but no matter, it certainly won't replace my Xoom.
I am kind of interested in the Transformer Infinity when it comes out, again because Team EOS may develop for it, but it's not a nexus tablet... Then, there may be a 10 inch nexus tablet coming out later in the year. What to do?
I think the XOOM is one hell of an excellent device that would last me for a few more years. Has great people backing it up and making this tablet one of the best for the long run. To be exactly honest I was never in the tablet market, but by chance I had $400 AUD left over from my HTPC build so I decided to spend it on the XOOM. Probably one of the best choices I had done, but also another problem I don't use my tablet all that often, since there is no need. I'm always in front of a computer or laptop so my tablet just sits there. But I'm trying to use it for other things, such as reading eBooks and mangas. Though I just do all of that on my phone, but on the tablet is a lot more nicer with the big HD screen. In short, I have no need for another tablet even if I got it for free it be sitting right next to my XOOM collecting dust, and I rather use the XOOM since it has a tough feel to it. The Australian MZ601 is very well built!
Xoom is KING!
I've had the Xoom since it was first announced. (I was one of the lucky ones with a 25% off coupon, which they quickly ended) Since then I have bought and returned an Acer, an Asus, an iPad2, a Toshiba and have bought and kept an Archos 80 and a new iPad.
Having had and used various tablets I still prefer the Xoom for most uses. I have the Archos as a cheap backup if the Xoom goes down and I have the new iPad and use sometimes. The display is better than the Xoom but most other features are less useful than the Xoom.
I recently dropped the Xoom face down on the floor from my lap. I was sure I would have a broken screen. Apparently no worse for the wear. It Is Built Like A Tank.
ICS made the Xoom even more functional and if it should get JB then that would be even more reason to use and enjoy the zoom.
The new Google tablet sounds good but no micro sd card and no HDMI cripples it considerably.
Unless the Xoom gets broken or is stolen, I see no reason to update and there are no tablets on the horizon that interest me.
Mine arrives Monday, cancelled my nexus 7 for it. As soon as it arrives in going to flash the US Rom to make it a Google device....thanks to XDA
I've yet to see a tablet that is as good as the XOOM. Period.
yosterwp said:
I've yet to see a tablet that is as good as the XOOM. Period.
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While I love my Xoom (first tablet and it's done a great job of making my netbook pretty much pointless) I wouldn't say that it's better than anything else out there. IMO the screen on the Xoom leaves a lot to be desired contrast wise especially compared to the Tab 2.
I also just picked up a Xoom. I've been in the market for a tablet over the last few weeks and considered a bunch. While the Ipad does offer a lot app wise, the additional tablet apps just didnt interest me. So ios was a non starter.
I use a Gnex and love it to death. I figure I'll stick with the google ecosystem. As soon as I found out the Xoom was getting Jellybean my mind was all but made up. I have a jellybean rom running on my nexus and it seriously does perform at another level. It just made me realize that I didnt need the latest quad core processor to run like a beast. So with that In mind I didnt go out searching for the latest tegra 3 android tablet. I've tried other android phones that werent stock android and I never enjoyed them.
Here's what I love about the Xoom:
- built like a tank, some say its too big...I love quality feel it has
- micro sd slot, thanks
- hdmi out, wicked
- in line for Jellybean in a few weeks
- everything works like it should...wifi, gps, cameras
Its not the flashiest tablet...doesnt have a cutting edge processor.....no next gen display....it just does the job for me.
as long as the next full size (read: 10.1/8.9) Nexus/GED has a good processor (1.5+) and has decent screen to go along with vanilla jb, ill be on board.
Ill be on board faster if google is selling it w/ the same strategy as the Nexus 7.
063_XOBX said:
While I love my Xoom (first tablet and it's done a great job of making my netbook pretty much pointless) I wouldn't say that it's better than anything else out there. IMO the screen on the Xoom leaves a lot to be desired contrast wise especially compared to the Tab 2.
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Yeah, I agree that hardware-wise, the Xoom is no longer bleeding edge, but software-wise, there is nothing really out there on ICS to touch it, and with Jelly bean custom roms that will come, this thing is going to scream. Right now, everything just works (on the configuration in my signature, at least), and that's more than some android tablets can claim. Transformer Prime, I'm talking about you, lol...
One thing I really hate is the disrespect the Xoom gets outside of the Xoom community, and it's started to resurface again now that the Nexus 7 is being called the 1st "nexus" tablet, when we know that that was actually the OG Xoom. I'm still torn about whether I want to add a Nexus 7 to my stable of Android devices, or wait for something more satisfying.
I too have been itching for an upgrade to my release day Xoom but once I loaded the JB ROM I realized what a waste of $200 the Nexus 7 would be. The Xoom on JB will satisfy me until the next version of Android which I will bet the Xoom will get though unofficially. It has been an up and down past year-and-a-half for the Xoom but one I don't regret and look forward to another year at least.
063_XOBX said:
While I love my Xoom (first tablet and it's done a great job of making my netbook pretty much pointless) I wouldn't say that it's better than anything else out there. IMO the screen on the Xoom leaves a lot to be desired contrast wise especially compared to the Tab 2.
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I always felt that what the xoom lacks in hardware, it makes up in software. I completely agree about the screen. But with the xoom, that same screen is going to be showing jelly bean officially. Speaking of Jelly Bean I can't wait for it to drop on our xooms!
I guess its fair to say that the xoom does have some shortcomings, but so does all other tablets. But with the xoom, there is a good amount of support from Google and Motorola, being a GED at least in the U.S. That fuels development even more and it's a great thing when an awesome community backs the xoom too! In a way, it makes up for some of them.
But I completely understand what you were saying. Good point
Putting some thoughts here
I've owned many tablets in the past, ranging from Apple to Android. One thing for sure that made me love my xoom on top of many other tables is that Team EOS roms are great and their efforts developing customization are the one thing that makes me stick to the xoom.
When rooted, you feel like you have the power on top of your device to do anything you like. if you brick your device, it is still recoverable due to the amazing community support for it.
Price wise- it is affordable.
ROM size it a bit small compared to phones but ROM Images (system) are designed to fit just ok.
Screen: very responsive especially with ICS better than HC.
Charge time: very fast.
Speaking of JB, I don't have a single doubt that Team EOS would make it for us.
Ghost-of-the-Sun said:
You're telling me that Samsung, HTC, Sony and Google itself with Nexus devices have magical powers that gives them the ability to update their devices while the little Motorola can't do anything?
Think before posting, please.
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To each his own, i love my little motorola, xoom first to get HC, ICS and soon to be JB, all of google (TM) product will get jb first, I wonder what samsung htc and sony will do for an OS when google stop releasing the source code, Motorola will be one step ahead of your samsung, htc and sony,..
tumpy said:
To each his own, i love my little motorola, xoom first to get HC, ICS and soon to be JB, all of google (TM) product will get jb first, I wonder what samsung htc and sony will do for an OS when google stop releasing the source code, Motorola will be one step ahead of your samsung, htc and sony,..
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Since several threads were merged, this conversation has taken a bit of a turn, but to back-up your point, my Samsung GS2 E4GT phone still has not received the official upgrade to ICS, probably more due to Sprint than Sammy, but we are running custom roms based on leaked builds. They work fine but it's been quite a long time to wait for OTA and source.
The OG US Wifi Xoom has gotten every official upgrade just as fast as possible, and our devs get them to us even faster and much improved!
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Mandelbrot.Benoit said:
I too have been itching for an upgrade to my release day Xoom but once I loaded the JB ROM I realized what a waste of $200 the Nexus 7 would be. The Xoom on JB will satisfy me until the next version of Android which I will bet the Xoom will get though unofficially. It has been an up and down past year-and-a-half for the Xoom but one I don't regret and look forward to another year at least.
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Can you use it as a daily driver, or are you just test-driving right now until the full version comes along?
I will admit that I'm tempted to try it, but nightly 114 is already so smooth and lag-free that I'm at least pretty satisfied for daily use.
okantomi said:
Can you use it as a daily driver, or are you just test-driving right now until the full version comes along?
I will admit that I'm tempted to try it, but nightly 114 is already so smooth and lag-free that I'm at least pretty satisfied for daily use.
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I am sacrificing a lot test driving the JB preview. BT, sound, data isn't working but enough is working to at least show the smoothness and lag free experience we should expect with JB. I was getting tired of the lag when hitting the "recents" button, home screen scrolling etc. Much more responsive on JB but in hindsight I have lost more than I gained and it may not be worth it for most.
My Xoom
I'm running a stock Xoom M604 Xoom. It's running ICS, which was slow to rollout here in Canada, but it came all the same. The updating of the OS is one of /the reasons I chose Xoom. I use it for most day to day things, as well as using it to control a friends DLNA amp. The "variety" of apps available for Android and iOS are moot, as there are so many redundant and useless apps for both platforms. I like not being locked in by the manufacturers whim, which is why I won't consider an iPad or iPhone. Only complaint I have with my Xoom is scrolling between the desktops. Which is a minor complaint vs iOS, because we actually have desktops I love the stock keyboard. It's large enough that I can still impress people with typing speed in Teamview sessions. I'm not a bleeding edge type, so thus far my Xoom has all the horsepower I need.
Mandelbrot.Benoit said:
I am sacrificing a lot test driving the JB preview. BT, sound, data isn't working but enough is working to at least show the smoothness and lag free experience we should expect with JB. I was getting tired of the lag when hitting the "recents" button, home screen scrolling etc. Much more responsive on JB but in hindsight I have lost more than I gained and it may not be worth it for most.
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OMG! EOS Jelly Bean! That's all I can say.
okantomi said:
OMG! EOS Jelly Bean! That's all I can say.
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I completely agree and cannot wait another second for it.
I haven't personally tried any quad core tablet, however there's no comparison between my xoom and my old advent vega (which was good, but the viewing angles were terrible) and with my dad's galaxy tab 10". they're all terribly sluggish.
Hey everyone,
I figured some of you might find this a good read. Since the Xoom is my favorite Android device of all time, I decided to finally sit and write a retrospective on the OG Android tablet. I'm interested in feedback and comments.
Thanks!
http://www.randomphantasmagoria.com/the-motorola-xoom-a-retrospective/
Good read,
The Xoom is defiantly my best ever investment, I use it more than my laptop purely because it's light, easier on the lap, more manoeuvrable!
I personally think though the Nexus 10 probably is the successor, I don't think it's as good purely because of Android 4.2 onwards, the tablet UI is really inconvenient in the middle I find. Custom roms compensate for this, EOS include an option to have the softkeys 4.1 style which is far easier and simpler.
I still find it really interesting that google didn't open source honeycomb!
matt4321 said:
I still find it really interesting that google didn't open source honeycomb!
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They did eventually. They released the Honeycomb source the same day they released the Ice Cream Sandwich source. According to Google at the time, the reason they never open-sourced Honeycomb was because of the fact that it was designed specifically for tablets. They were afraid that the development community would begin trying to shoehorn Honeycomb onto phones. This had a large potential to create horrible user experiences since they'd basically have to create a phone interface from nothing. Once ICS launched, that risk went away since ICS ran seamlessly across phones and tablets, therefore open-sourcing Honeycomb was no longer an UI/UX liability.
I remember a group of people trying to take the SDK build of Honeycomb and port it to the Nexus S. They found there was a phone interface built into Honeycomb but it was only half there and was basically unusable. It's pretty well known that Honeycomb wasn't a finished product.
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They did eventually. They released the Honeycomb source the same day they released the Ice Cream Sandwich source. According to Google at the time, the reason they never open-sourced Honeycomb was because of the fact that it was designed specifically for tablets. They were afraid that the development community would begin trying to shoehorn Honeycomb onto phones and creating horrible user experiences since they'd basically have to create it from nothing. Once ICS launched, that risk went away since ICS ran seamlessly across phones and tablets, therefore open-sourcing Honeycomb was no longer an UI/UX liability.
I remember a group of people trying to take the SDK build of Honeycomb and port it to the Nexus S. They found there was a phone interface built into Honeycomb but it was only half there and was basically unusable.
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Oh yeah, I remember them doing it once ICS was open, bit pointless really.
Yeah the ZTE blade had an sdk port, was terrible though, nothing worked, more of a proof of concept thing
Brought back some painful memories! But in the end I guess it all worked out. I still don't need a new 10" tablet so after 2 1/2 years I guess she's earned her keep. I did get the new N7 but its a completely different experience so I don't consider it cheating.
Even if the Xoom ends up on 4.2.2 it will continue to be a great tablet for my family for years to come.
Very nice. Thanks! :good: