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g2 root--impossible?

i don't even have a g2 and in no way intend to disrespect any of the hard working devs. but, how many people are pissed off that there is no root yet? not pissed at the devs, but at the measures htc has taken to lock us out. maybe it really is a bug in the chip. what if it never gets rooted? how many people would be extremely mad and sell their g2? like i stated, i don't even own one,but have been into the scene for quite a few years. so i read the g2 thinktank everyday. part of me is always hoping i'll see that it was permanently rooted. but it just doesn't look good. i check everyday because i'll eventually be upgrading my phone soon. and i'd like to rest assured that if these measures are taken on future phones, that the devs will know how to hack it sooner.
anyone think it's never gonna happen? i hope it does. i'm just not used to seeing this being such a huge problem.

It will happen. Give it time. The world was not built in a day.

The phone is still very good even though it isn't rooted yet, and will become a better phone when it is.

I'm pretty much like you, I check the root thread multiple times a day. I really respect those guys.

crazythunder said:
i don't even have a g2 and in no way intend to disrespect any of the hard working devs. but, how many people are pissed off that there is no root yet? not pissed at the devs, but at the measures htc has taken to lock us out. maybe it really is a bug in the chip. what if it never gets rooted? how many people would be extremely mad and sell their g2? like i stated, i don't even own one,but have been into the scene for quite a few years. so i read the g2 thinktank everyday. part of me is always hoping i'll see that it was permanently rooted. but it just doesn't look good. i check everyday because i'll eventually be upgrading my phone soon. and i'd like to rest assured that if these measures are taken on future phones, that the devs will know how to hack it sooner.
anyone think it's never gonna happen? i hope it does. i'm just not used to seeing this being such a huge problem.
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People said this same thing about the cat and mouse games on the iPhones, Droid X, etc... See how long those lasted? A few weeks? A few months?
History has shown, given the time and determination, there is no consumer cell phone that cannot be hacked.
I hate that they lock us out of our devices, but they are appliances. This happens in the business world all the time. They do it to 'improve' the device by not allowing you to muff it up.
Either way, we will crack the protection mechanisms, or find overflow exploits, etc... to make it happen.

give it time. anything and everything can be cracked with enough time. plus temp root via visionary works great. We truly only need prem root for custom roms and themes

Yea... look at the ps3 lol

manny0 said:
Yea... look at the ps3 lol
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bad example because that took extremely long.

nah, root on this phone is impossible, it just wont happen. all devs should just give up and everyone sell you g2's --note the sarcasm, lifes full of it --

daijizai said:
People said this same thing about the cat and mouse games on the iPhones, Droid X, etc... See how long those lasted? A few weeks? A few months?
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AFAIK, to date, the Droid X's recovery chip that prevents custom roms has yet to be defeated. Poor example there, I think.

True. The Droid X still can not load custom roms. I'm thinking we're probably going to be the same way. But there's no fun without Cyanogens mods. Ughhhh
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xdviper said:
True. The Droid X still can not load custom roms. I'm thinking we're probably going to be the same way. But there's no fun without Cyanogens mods. Ughhhh
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Honestly, 80% of what CyanogenMod brings (aside from bugfixes and optimizations) can be accomplished with full root access to the system.

I think at least some of the Devs see this as a direct challenge to their authority. This is the G2 after all. Root will happen. Droid X comparison is apples and oranges, this is the sequel to the first android device ever! This is where we make our stand or all is lost.

Having stated the above I think HTC, G, and maybe even T-mo are watching this device. Maybe its just to slow down the Devs long enough to push 3.0 . G may try with 3.0 to stop Android fragmentation by offering a huge leap forward. I mean the G1 to G2 jump is mind blowing to me and it seems like a gift to us early adoptors of Android, I want root but the G2 is stunning to me even stock. Just thinking outloud.

jordanjay29 said:
AFAIK, to date, the Droid X's recovery chip that prevents custom roms has yet to be defeated. Poor example there, I think.
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xdviper said:
True. The Droid X still can not load custom roms. I'm thinking we're probably going to be the same way. But there's no fun without Cyanogens mods. Ughhhh
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Not true... the chip was defeated.
http://phandroid.com/2010/08/30/first-droid-x-custom-rom-released-with-installation-instructions/
http://phandroid.com/2010/08/30/the-droid-x-runs-a-custom-rom-see-for-yourself/
http://www.androidcentral.com/sapphire-custom-rom-running-droid-x
http://nexus404.com/Blog/2010/08/30...ready-for-manual-install-here’s-how-to-do-it/

We'll get root eventually. Its only a matter of time.
Sent from my HTC Vision G2

People are seriously tripping here. If Android can be ported to the HD2 of all devices, then the G2 can get rooted. Even if it doesn't big deal, it may just be me, but this is the first time I've been satisfied with a phones performance on the stock rom. Its faster and more consistent than any phone I've owned.
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daijizai said:
Not true... the chip was defeated.
http://phandroid.com/2010/08/30/first-droid-x-custom-rom-released-with-installation-instructions/
http://phandroid.com/2010/08/30/the-droid-x-runs-a-custom-rom-see-for-yourself/
http://www.androidcentral.com/sapphire-custom-rom-running-droid-x
http://nexus404.com/Blog/2010/08/30...ready-for-manual-install-here’s-how-to-do-it/
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Ahh, my bad. Thank you, I don't think I ever heard this news. Must have been pretty hush-hush stuff.

Arcadia310 said:
People are seriously tripping here. If Android can be ported to the HD2 of all devices, then the G2 can get rooted. Even if it doesn't big deal, it may just be me, but this is the first time I've been satisfied with a phones performance on the stock rom. Its faster and more consistent than any phone I've owned.
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This is the truth. I sat and thought hard about what really made me put CM6 on my G1 .. i came to the conclusion that my g1 just wasnt up to par with all of the newer androids. but now i am completely happy with my G2 even on stock. therefore i dont mind waiting for root or if it even happens.

I'm nervous.

Xoom Honeycomb Development

Honeycomb is going to be awesome!

off course

If they lock the bootloader down like they did the Droid X Motorola can keep it.

I hope to see custom rom, but affraid that there wil be a lock

painter_ said:
If they lock the bootloader down like they did the Droid X Motorola can keep it.
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I'm hoping that the Tegra 2 doesn't have the eFuse lock either.

I'm hoping that because Google is involved from the outset, like the Nexus phones, that this will be considered a dev device as well as a kick ass consumer product. But as a former Milestone owner, I'm going to be very wary of it nonetheless.
Moto just doesn't understand open.

It's sad what they did with the bootloader on the new line of Droid and the milestone. As my Droid one was so easy to hack it wasn't funny. But there really isn't to much I can do with my x. Although out of the box with a little adw ex my x is sweet. Although not quite like the ole incredible with miui
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i actually got to play with the prototype 2day but i didnt stop to think about the bootloader but its still f-ing awesome

adub007 said:
i actually got to play with the prototype 2day but i didnt stop to think about the bootloader but its still f-ing awesome
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Where'd you get to play with it? Care to elaborate a little more than its "f-ing awesome"?

adub007 said:
i actually got to play with the prototype 2day but i didnt stop to think about the bootloader but its still f-ing awesome
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Um... You're supposed to prove these wild statements somehow, right? I played with HTC's new tablet last week, but forgot to take a picture of it too. Or was it that they confiscated my Dinc and unrooted it after they saw I tethered it for upload the video i took of myself on it's 400 million megapixel ffc? Get the point? I like you, just not that much.
And what the hell does playing with the device have to do with the boot loader? I'm pretty sure you will need a USB cable and at least an incredible to root it, aren't you?

I def understand where your coming from but i got to test the devices cause the motorola rep for my district came to my job with it.
And i had the physical devices in my hands so in theory i would've been able to test the bootloader
No i don't have pictures of me holding the devices so all i have is my word, believe me or not i got to demo it, i guess the next time he comes with the bionic i'll make sure to sneak a picture for hard proof
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Um... You're supposed to prove these wild statements somehow, right? I played with HTC's new tablet last week, but forgot to take a picture of it too. Or was it that they confiscated my Dinc and unrooted it after they saw I tethered it for upload the video i took of myself on it's 400 million megapixel ffc? Get the point? I like you, just not that much.
And what the hell does playing with the device have to do with the boot loader? I'm pretty sure you will need a USB cable and at least an incredible to root it, aren't you?
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Did you heard that it will cost about 799$???
It's too much!!!

raptor92 said:
Did you heard that it will cost about 799$???
It's too much!!!
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Engadget is reporting that the price at Best Buy will be 699.99, which is a marked improvement over the 800 that has been making waves. That makes it much more reasonable, but I want to know about the bootloader (aka is it locked) before I buy it.

cslawren said:
Engadget is reporting that the price at Best Buy will be 699.99, which is a marked improvement over the 800 that has been making waves. That makes it much more reasonable, but I want to know about the bootloader (aka is it locked) before I buy it.
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Still is alot.....i could see the $450-500 range and this would def be a competitor for, well any tablet out there!

I just went to Motorola's FB page. I don't think it's a bad idea to start asking them to unlock their boot loaders. Maybe if enough people tell them they want it unlocked they'll start unlocking them. I see no way it can hurt.
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zillahakzor said:
I just went to Motorola's FB page. I don't think it's a bad idea to start asking them to unlock their boot loaders. Maybe if enough people tell them they want it unlocked they'll start unlocking them. I see no way it can hurt.
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I'm up for that!

zillahakzor said:
I just went to Motorola's FB page. I don't think it's a bad idea to start asking them to unlock their boot loaders. Maybe if enough people tell them they want it unlocked they'll start unlocking them. I see no way it can hurt.
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Good idea.
[Motorola's FB page]
Let's do it.
Comment on any/all of their wall posts.
//Edit: you have to "Like" them to post wall comments...

Kov695 said:
Still is alot.....i could see the $450-500 range and this would def be a competitor for, well any tablet out there!
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At that price, it would be way to cheap. We're talking about state of the art tech that completely knocks the winds out of the highest price iPad ($799-$849).
Even though I'd love to buy it for $450, I'd be worried why is was so cheap.... $699 is OK. If I had to wish a reasonable price, I'd say $599.

Damn I was just getting lots of schemes to buy one with my tax money, then you guys have to mention the bootloader!
It might be too late for the Xoom Facebook spam plan though. If its going to launch in a couple weeks they are probably already making them.
Anybody know if any Dev's have said they are definitely going to develop for it yet?

The xoom looks very cool.
but i will not buy this if moto locked the bootloader.

Which do you beleive will have better roms?

Looking to upgrade from nexus one to either atrix or galaxy sII. They both have good hardware and it would be nice to have the bigger screen of the galaxy but it doesn't really matter to me.
I don't really trust Samsung with software upgrades and I have never had a Motorola before. I think what my decision is going to come to is which one will have the most custom rom development.
Anyone have any guesses on which one you believe will have more custom rom options?

Neither. Motorola still has the encrypted bootloader and Samsung just lies about releasing updates.

I haven't been paying much attention to it, but I thought they already figured out a way to root the atrix

That has nothing to do with the bootloader.

I would choose the atrix,only cause of the massive battery.

evilkorn said:
Neither. Motorola still has the encrypted bootloader and Samsung just lies about releasing updates.
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+1
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djsaad1 said:
I haven't been paying much attention to it, but I thought they already figured out a way to root the atrix
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Problem is that you can be rooted but if the bootloader is encrypted like many Motorola's you cannot install a custom recovery to flash custom ROM's, you just have SU access being rooted.

I would take a nook color modded to have honeycomb over both

donmoosavi said:
I would take a nook color modded to have honeycomb over both
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Right, because that is a phone.

DumbUglyDragon said:
Right, because that is a phone.
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That's NOT the question of this topic, "Which do you beleive will have better roms?".
I agree with with donmoosavi. I too would take the Nook Color over anything Motorola or Samsung.

Samsung and motorola are trying to prevent installation of alternative roms. So I will avoid these.
LG maybe.

OrganizedFellow said:
That's NOT the question of this topic, "Which do you beleive will have better roms?".
I agree with with donmoosavi. I too would take the Nook Color over anything Motorola or Samsung.
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Seems to me the OP is asking the question in reference to phones, since he is looking to upgrade his Nexus One to an Matrix/GS2
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looks like the bootloader is encrypted on the atrix, that is now off the list.

djsaad1 said:
looks like the bootloader is encrypted on the atrix, that is now off the list.
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Actually the bootloader isn't encrypted, but it does perform a signature verification on the files... so the end result is the same. No custom roms as it sits right now.

Bummer.
I thought that by now, Motorola would have embraced the community.

evilkorn said:
Neither. Motorola still has the encrypted bootloader and Samsung just lies about releasing updates.
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this. and htc puts stupid sense on the phones, only sense-less makes sense for me...
thus i wait for the nexus 2, the nexus s isn't appealing at all for me.
the atrix is sweet but no stock android, encrypted bootloader, firefox on the webtop.
there's currently just no phone that is a worthy replacement imo.

dronarg said:
Samsung and motorola are trying to prevent installation of alternative roms. So I will avoid these.
LG maybe.
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This is my thought as well. I won't get another android phone without community support. After watching Vibrant & Droid X development and their troubles I've ruled out both these manufactures regardless of specs.
I expect LG to be the most open of the upcoming android dual core models. It's just a guess though.

Most definitely NOT the Atrix. XDA should let that phone die... Hit them where it actually hurts with phone sales, rather than buying it in hopes to it being cracked one day.
The SGS II looks like the way to go between those two. Unless you feel like waiting to see what HTC ends up releasing.
As for LG, I have no idea. Never owned an LG phone before... The Optimus' bezel sticks out too much along the touch screen, so that'll probably be a deal breaker for me. We'll see when it actually comes out. Till then, it's a waiting game for me.

OrganizedFellow said:
Bummer.
I thought that by now, Motorola would have embraced the community.
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The Xoom has the same oem unlock/lock features of the Nexus S but unfortunately I think that's simply because it's a pure Google experience rather than a change in Motorolas views.

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gstar_raw said:
Most definitely NOT the Atrix. XDA should let that phone die... Hit them where it actually hurts with phone sales, rather than buying it in hopes to it being cracked one day.
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It's too bad that the number if people using cooked roms are a margin of error if the phone is successful for the normal consumer. The network perception will do 20x more to hurt sales than the locked bootloader ever will.
That being said, I'd wait for HTC to announce thier next gen (pyramid et al.)
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Why all the Atrix hate?

Hi everyone!
Long time browser of these forums, but decided to join since I switched from my Iphone 3gs to the Atrix 4g.
Just a question, why so much hate for this phone? Maybe I'm totally in love due to the fact that I'm discovering my freedom on Android (well most of it do to moto/att locking some stuff) but I still think the phone is wonderful.
The only issue is I agree about the screen not being amazing like some of the other Android phones I've seen, but regardless next to my friends G2 and my girlfriends Inspire, my phone is blazing fast, has a pretty good battery (new toy syndrom I'm using it like a monster and It still has not died by the night time start at 8/9am put back in charger about 1/2am with 20% left) and the camera is fine for a smartphone.
I guess it just seems like a lot of hate and I'm wondering if I'm missing something that I should be aware of?
Take care and I hope to be more active in this awesome community.
MrSexyMan

we want everything to be perfect, thats how we are.

ronan_zj said:
we want everything to be perfect, thats how we are.
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Yep. That's the way it is. If you have had tried Inspire, you would love HTC more.

Well I for one really appreciate all the hate, it is great!
It saves me money.
I too am looking for the perfect phone the one that will change my life. Something amazing and spectacular.
The Atrix really looked amazing at first but now that people have it in hand, it seems a little...meh.

smitty1 said:
Well I for one really appreciate all the hate, it is great!
It saves me money.
I too am looking for the perfect phone the one that will change my life. Something amazing and spectacular.
The Atrix really looked amazing at first but now that people have it in hand, it seems a little...meh.
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Most people take the time to post "meh", but many more dont post the "ahhh". We all know this. Go to ANY forum whether it be Android, Apple or Blackberry and you'll see plenty of "meh" in each.
The smart thing to do is sit back and wait for a few patches to hit or buy a phone that's been in the market for some time and has all the things smoothed out.

smitty1 said:
I too am looking for the perfect phone the one that will change my life. Something amazing and spectacular.
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What phone has ever fit that description?

dlazer said:
What phone has ever fit that description?
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If you ask all the sheep in the world, it's the iPhone.... with the more GB's.... and the WiFi's

When you go to Inspire forum, u will see how ppl hate Atrix, they feel the Atrix is ****, cheap, ect. ect..

ill admit that i am trolling this site to get some of the feedback on the atrix. i for one would have thought it would have kicked as5 (meaning better reviews). i like reading the the good and bad remarks from users here. i applaude some of the honesty/personal opinions of people who like and didnt like it.

Cause many people (including myself) are from some previous flagship Android phones. While Atrix 4G is been described as "Revolutionary" product, some features are degraded due to Tegra2/Moto. This is where the disappointment come from.

The things that are holding me back
are the Moto blur and the locked down boot loader.
I still have my captivate but I'm itching to move up to the new dual cores. And I got sucked in with Atrix by the lap top dock. That turned out to be a real downer, 500$ for a monitor keyboard and a mouse....what are you insane?
I will wait it out and keep my captivate, maybe the galaxy s2 will make its way over here, and before it does I can read the board and see how people like it over their in Euro Disney.
The ability of running roms really came in handy on the captivate, since I have been running froyo for a long time.

I came from the captivate which sucks...slow and short on memory. The atrix is amazing in every respect. People who think otherwise don’t know how to use it.
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smitty1 said:
The things that are holding me back
are the Moto blur and the locked down boot loader.
I still have my captivate but I'm itching to move up to the new dual cores. And I got sucked in with Atrix by the lap top dock. That turned out to be a real downer, 500$ for a monitor keyboard and a mouse....what are you insane?
I will wait it out and keep my captivate, maybe the galaxy s2 will make its way over here, and before it does I can read the board and see how people like it over their in Euro Disney.
The ability of running roms really came in handy on the captivate, since I have been running froyo for a long time.
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Coming from someone who knows moto and their locked boot loaders (I own a Droid X), I can say it doesn't pose a problem. The dev. community is very creative and found ways arround it. I'm sure the same will happen to the Atrix.
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chbennett said:
Coming from someone who knows moto and their locked boot loaders (I own a Droid X), I can say it doesn't pose a problem. The dev. community is very creative and found ways arround it. I'm sure the same will happen to the Atrix.
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Yeah, but by the time it happens, if it happens, there'll be other offerings at the table (Samsung, LG, HTC).
All of which will be more mod friendly, and don't come locked with motoblur *shudders*

panflute said:
I came from the captivate which sucks...slow and short on memory. The atrix is amazing in every respect. People who think otherwise don’t know how to use it.
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How is 512mb "short on memory"

panflute said:
I came from the captivate which sucks...slow and short on memory. The atrix is amazing in every respect. People who think otherwise don’t know how to use it.
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You don't know how to use captivate. Captivate is only slightly slower than Atrix 4G.

elementaldragon said:
If you ask all the sheep in the world, it's the iPhone.... with the more GB's.... and the WiFi's
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lmao... "I don't care." "I want the white one."

amtrakcn said:
You don't know how to use captivate. Captivate is only slightly slower than Atrix 4G.
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Out of all phones I've owned the Captivate has been the most laggy. You shouldn't have to worry about undoing and redoing a lag-fix every time you want to install a new rom. The Captivate is an amazing device don't get me wrong. However the short time I've had the Atrix I've been very impressed. 2800 Quadrant on a stock phone? 37-38 Linpack?? NUTS! I'm sure that could change as I'm not sure if quadrant is optimized for Dual Core. But I've noticed absolutely no lag, the accessories are amazing, the screen is super sharp(although I think I still prefer my Nexus S screen ATM so far..) and hopefully we will be able to get a dual root (Android OS and Webtop) someday =) IMO Moto has done well bringing the first dual core to the states. The only perfect phone I've ever had was my N1, the Atrix isn't perfect but it is one of the best (most definitely the fastest) phone on the market.

ronan_zj said:
When you go to Inspire forum, u will see how ppl hate Atrix, they feel the Atrix is ****, cheap, ect. ect..
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Well isn't that the case on every forum? No different with Inspire/iPhone/Atrix users.
We all hate what we don't have and excessively praise what we have.

metaldood said:
Well isn't that the case on every forum? No different with Inspire/iPhone/Atrix users.
We all hate what we don't have and excessively praise what we have.
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I agree. We are chasing perfection.

Bootloaders not actually unlocked

The Droid X, Milestone etc bootloaders were not actually unlocked. It was a hoax. http://www.androidcentral.com/motorola-bootloader-still-encrypted-developer-comes-clean
I don't see why so many are willing to put up with this. There are plenty of other good android phones out there. As long as Motorola is going to fight this, there will never be a truly safe way to flash custom roms/kernels on droid phones, and devs simply aren't going to invest the time necessary to develop much.

::: Sigh :::

I've learned an important lesson, don't get hopes up so quickly :'(

snwboard333 said:
I've learned an important lesson, don't get hopes up so quickly :'(
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Motorola is too committed to their bootloaders not being crackable. Just pick another phone for your next one.

disappointing, and we all know now not to ever trust nenolod again. thunderbolt here i come...

I think its horrible that some one thought it was funny that this happened. I know I am a no body to the android community but I for sure did an "unfollow" on twitter today.

QuarkGluonSoup said:
Motorola is too committed to their bootloaders not being crackable. Just pick another phone for your next one.
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That's my thought. I'm due for a new phone here shortly; it certainly won't be a Motorola.

@nenolod purposefully lied to us. http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg614/scaled.php?tn=0&server=614&filename=l8sp.png&xsize=480&ysize=480
This is ridiculous. He cannot be doing this @&#( to us. I have lost all respect for this guy

And the thing is he said it was because people kept bothering him about the stuff. Well I never even heard of this guy until all this came out as im sure the case with most people, so why play this stupid "trick" on all of us?

Again, lets throw all of out locked droid x's at him. He shoukd be banned from android period
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1tonyj said:
That's my thought. I'm due for a new phone here shortly; it certainly won't be a Motorola.
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I would recommend a Galaxy S. The bootloaders are unlocked and it now has a functional CM7 version. Plus, nothing beats the Super AMOLED screen.

Yeah this was pretty lame, got my hopes up, so I just got a dinc for now until I can afford a new phone or get my upgrade.
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I loved my Droid X when I first got it. Rooted it and had leaked Froyo running on it before OTA was available. After that there was not much more I could do with it. Bought a used Captivate on ebay. There are lots of custom ROMs and kernels to choose from. When September rolls around I hope there is a new Samsung phone available. No more Moto's for me.
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Galaxy S phones are very solid, with a few mods, it will fly. Plus the bootloader is unlocked, if u are coming from the x, you will greatly appreciate this. I just picked up a thunderbolt and so far, i love it. Its crazy fast, LTE or not, and having the 256mb of extra ram really makes for a phone that never slows down, no matter what you are doing. My only complaint other than the battery being undersized, as HTC ALWAYS does, is the adreno 205, people with the mytouch or G2 will tell you its good. When voming from a galaxy s the GPU is the only thing that i dont think is better.
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faber78 said:
and the next phone wont be locked.
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Yes, yes it will.