Honeycomb is going to be awesome!
off course
If they lock the bootloader down like they did the Droid X Motorola can keep it.
I hope to see custom rom, but affraid that there wil be a lock
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If they lock the bootloader down like they did the Droid X Motorola can keep it.
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I'm hoping that the Tegra 2 doesn't have the eFuse lock either.
I'm hoping that because Google is involved from the outset, like the Nexus phones, that this will be considered a dev device as well as a kick ass consumer product. But as a former Milestone owner, I'm going to be very wary of it nonetheless.
Moto just doesn't understand open.
It's sad what they did with the bootloader on the new line of Droid and the milestone. As my Droid one was so easy to hack it wasn't funny. But there really isn't to much I can do with my x. Although out of the box with a little adw ex my x is sweet. Although not quite like the ole incredible with miui
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i actually got to play with the prototype 2day but i didnt stop to think about the bootloader but its still f-ing awesome
adub007 said:
i actually got to play with the prototype 2day but i didnt stop to think about the bootloader but its still f-ing awesome
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Where'd you get to play with it? Care to elaborate a little more than its "f-ing awesome"?
adub007 said:
i actually got to play with the prototype 2day but i didnt stop to think about the bootloader but its still f-ing awesome
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Um... You're supposed to prove these wild statements somehow, right? I played with HTC's new tablet last week, but forgot to take a picture of it too. Or was it that they confiscated my Dinc and unrooted it after they saw I tethered it for upload the video i took of myself on it's 400 million megapixel ffc? Get the point? I like you, just not that much.
And what the hell does playing with the device have to do with the boot loader? I'm pretty sure you will need a USB cable and at least an incredible to root it, aren't you?
I def understand where your coming from but i got to test the devices cause the motorola rep for my district came to my job with it.
And i had the physical devices in my hands so in theory i would've been able to test the bootloader
No i don't have pictures of me holding the devices so all i have is my word, believe me or not i got to demo it, i guess the next time he comes with the bionic i'll make sure to sneak a picture for hard proof
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Um... You're supposed to prove these wild statements somehow, right? I played with HTC's new tablet last week, but forgot to take a picture of it too. Or was it that they confiscated my Dinc and unrooted it after they saw I tethered it for upload the video i took of myself on it's 400 million megapixel ffc? Get the point? I like you, just not that much.
And what the hell does playing with the device have to do with the boot loader? I'm pretty sure you will need a USB cable and at least an incredible to root it, aren't you?
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Did you heard that it will cost about 799$???
It's too much!!!
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Did you heard that it will cost about 799$???
It's too much!!!
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Engadget is reporting that the price at Best Buy will be 699.99, which is a marked improvement over the 800 that has been making waves. That makes it much more reasonable, but I want to know about the bootloader (aka is it locked) before I buy it.
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Engadget is reporting that the price at Best Buy will be 699.99, which is a marked improvement over the 800 that has been making waves. That makes it much more reasonable, but I want to know about the bootloader (aka is it locked) before I buy it.
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Still is alot.....i could see the $450-500 range and this would def be a competitor for, well any tablet out there!
I just went to Motorola's FB page. I don't think it's a bad idea to start asking them to unlock their boot loaders. Maybe if enough people tell them they want it unlocked they'll start unlocking them. I see no way it can hurt.
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I just went to Motorola's FB page. I don't think it's a bad idea to start asking them to unlock their boot loaders. Maybe if enough people tell them they want it unlocked they'll start unlocking them. I see no way it can hurt.
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I'm up for that!
zillahakzor said:
I just went to Motorola's FB page. I don't think it's a bad idea to start asking them to unlock their boot loaders. Maybe if enough people tell them they want it unlocked they'll start unlocking them. I see no way it can hurt.
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Good idea.
[Motorola's FB page]
Let's do it.
Comment on any/all of their wall posts.
//Edit: you have to "Like" them to post wall comments...
Kov695 said:
Still is alot.....i could see the $450-500 range and this would def be a competitor for, well any tablet out there!
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At that price, it would be way to cheap. We're talking about state of the art tech that completely knocks the winds out of the highest price iPad ($799-$849).
Even though I'd love to buy it for $450, I'd be worried why is was so cheap.... $699 is OK. If I had to wish a reasonable price, I'd say $599.
Damn I was just getting lots of schemes to buy one with my tax money, then you guys have to mention the bootloader!
It might be too late for the Xoom Facebook spam plan though. If its going to launch in a couple weeks they are probably already making them.
Anybody know if any Dev's have said they are definitely going to develop for it yet?
The xoom looks very cool.
but i will not buy this if moto locked the bootloader.
Related
http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2010/07/14/droid-x-actually-self-destructs-if-you-try-to-mod-it/
This puts a smile on my face
I bet a lot of people who jumped ship are hitting themselves.
whew almost picked one up today
this is what happens when you freak out about a stupid limitation 2 weeks after release, especially when that limitation essentially gets removed a week later
Holy ****ing ****. Let's hope HTC doesn't go that route... if they do, Android will lose the war.
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Holy ****ing ****. Let's hope HTC doesn't go that route... if they do, Android will lose the war.
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I don't think HTC will, remember they gave away 5000 evos to developers months before the official launch. Lets why the EVO was rooted as soon as it was launched.
kiddecks said:
this is what happens when you freak out about a stupid limitation 2 weeks after release, especially when that limitation essentially gets removed a week later
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Actually I believe there is another motorola phone out there that uses similar technology. That one has been out for some time now and it still hasn't been rooted.
Don't remember the name of the phone
EDIT: The Motorola Milestone
thats crazy and i wouldnt be surprise if at&t went that route
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Actually I believe there is another motorola phone out there that uses similar technology. That one has been out for some time now and it still hasn't been rooted.
Don't remember the name of the phone
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Milestone, same encrypted bootloader, no self destruct.
They have root, but no bootloader access. So they are now running custom bootloader that runs inside android, boot twice to get into custom rom
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Actually I believe there is another motorola phone out there that uses similar technology. That one has been out for some time now and it still hasn't been rooted.
Don't remember the name of the phone
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The Droid.
that blows, but its kinda like what microsoft did with the 360, they blew the efuses when you went to the newer dash to prevent you from jtagging them.
This is a slap in the face of Google's android open source mentality and all of its developers.
It's going to be interesting how all of this turns out. all of a sudden apple doesn't seem as evil next to motorola.
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This is a slap in the face of Google's android open source mentality and all of its developers.
It's going to be interesting how all of this turns out. all of a sudden apple doesn't seem as evil next to motorola.
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Eh apple still seems just as evil. Moto just seems up there now too
I wonder if Google will step in and say something at some point... I doubt it but if Google were to step in and say "WTF" the companies and the public would take notice.
Apple doesn't have an open source OS on its phone....and how did apple get involved in this?
This is a slap in the face of Google's android open source mentality and all of its developers.
It's going to be interesting how all of this turns
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Eh apple still seems just as evil. Moto just seems up there now too
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This is turning into the xbox 360 scene lol
I am digging my jtag'd 360s
Dat's my vid.
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I wonder if Google will step in and say something at some point... I doubt it but if Google were to step in and say "WTF" the companies and the public would take notice.
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Haha, i'd love to see that, public press conference and the two ceo's of google just step up to the mic and say "WTF GUYS!"
The efuse "self destruct" chip is in all omap3 phones INCLUDING the droid and milestone. The droid has a hacked bootloader and didn't go kaboom. Apparently this chip exists in all these phones but motorola does not actually utilize it (but they could hypothetically).
Now that being said, the milestone and droidx do have locked and encrypted bootloaders. I think they have a lot better chance of getting cracked now cuz there will be a lot more dev attention for the droidx than the milestone.
So no, the droidx will not go BOOM, you got sucked into the hype machine (don't feel bad I did too initially). Still glad I got an evo.
Edit: I will edit myself here with the caveat that motorola might have put a new, more sinister efuse into the droidx. Noone knows for sure until pictures of a bricked phone show up, and not even the most dedicated dev wants to brick his brand new phone on the first day lol.
I really haven't cared for Motorola's Android devices anyways. The Cliq (Dext) was clunky and didn't even go past the Cupcake update. The Droid (Milestone) just didn't feel right in my hands, and I didn't care for the four row physical keyboard rather than the five like on the G1. And now this on the Droid X? I'll be sticking with HTC for a while. They may be slow to update, what with Sense and all, but at least they're not doing crap like this.
I would like to see now those who returned the EVO a got the DroidX...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=920804
Is even the lock screen from this possible on our phone?
Yeah.. I should've known better not to click that link. Anyone who knows anything though SHOULD HAVE KNOWN when purchasing a DX what limitations we would have over some other devices.
Although that does look pretty slick, Droid Incs are iphone wannabes, can't stand 'em.
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Yeah.. I should've known better not to click that link. Anyone who knows anything though SHOULD HAVE KNOWN when purchasing a DX what limitations we would have over some other devices.
Although that does look pretty slick, Droid Incs are iphone wannabes, can't stand 'em.
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Inc's are nowhere near iphone wannabes. I have both and while i love my X my incredilbe is still easier to use and hack. Title says it all especially after moto's blunder yesterday on the atrix page. Come on moto, you really arent working on anything and if you are it will probably mean a new developer device and not a fix for those of us working with the current ones.
read on for info if you havent seen it. http://phandroid.com/2011/01/19/motorola-locked-bootloaders-stay-you-can-go-elsewhere/
Motorola cleared up what that one, YouTube manager, employee said. It doesn't mean the bootloader will be unlocked, but they commented and it can only help.
http://www.droid-life.com/2011/01/1...bootloaders-looks-to-partner-with-developers/
If by "cleared up" you mean heaped a load of dung over it in an attempt to hide the smell of their previous ****ty response...
yep, they did that good!
Go here
http://getsatisfaction.com/motorola/topics/bootloader-1egega
And tell Motorola what you think about their locked bootloader
That's just the acer launcher. I have a file for the liquid metal launcher.
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also. Incredibles are nothing like iPhones. They are sick ass phones. Anywhoo on the good side of things motorola either tweeted or said on facebook that they would be working towards making their phone developer phones again and marked the locked bootloader section on their support forums as "implemented"
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Motorola cleared up what that one, YouTube manager, employee said. It doesn't mean the bootloader will be unlocked, but they commented and it can only help.
http://www.droid-life.com/2011/01/1...bootloaders-looks-to-partner-with-developers/
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Its just for the press, they don't mean it.
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Yeah.. I should've known better not to click that link. Anyone who knows anything though SHOULD HAVE KNOWN when purchasing a DX what limitations we would have over some other devices.
Although that does look pretty slick, Droid Incs are iphone wannabes, can't stand 'em.
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The inc is by far the best phone on Verizon right now in regards to hacking and ROM's. Anyone who hates on it is, well, is a hater The X is a good phone in terms of hardware, but the inc community is simply awesome. iphone it is not.
Motorola is listening guys! It may not happen with the X, 2, but I'm willing to bet the new moto phones will be more easy to manipulate. They see how it will hurt them in terms of future sales.
I really doubt it would hurt much when it comes to sales since a majority of Droid owners know nothing of the phones true potential. Although that was a crappy statement to make on motorola's part. As a consumer it really makes me think twice on what phone I will purchase next.
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I really doubt it would hurt much when it comes to sales since a majority of Droid owners know nothing of the phones true potential. Although that was a crappy statement to make on motorola's part. As a consumer it really makes me think twice on what phone I will purchase next.
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Even though the average consumer wont be rooting and what not, I'm sure many of these average users will read the comments of all the Modders and be put off on buying a moto: phone.
ksizzle9 said:
That's just the acer launcher. I have a file for the liquid metal launcher.
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You want to post it?
Looking to upgrade from nexus one to either atrix or galaxy sII. They both have good hardware and it would be nice to have the bigger screen of the galaxy but it doesn't really matter to me.
I don't really trust Samsung with software upgrades and I have never had a Motorola before. I think what my decision is going to come to is which one will have the most custom rom development.
Anyone have any guesses on which one you believe will have more custom rom options?
Neither. Motorola still has the encrypted bootloader and Samsung just lies about releasing updates.
I haven't been paying much attention to it, but I thought they already figured out a way to root the atrix
That has nothing to do with the bootloader.
I would choose the atrix,only cause of the massive battery.
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Neither. Motorola still has the encrypted bootloader and Samsung just lies about releasing updates.
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+1
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djsaad1 said:
I haven't been paying much attention to it, but I thought they already figured out a way to root the atrix
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Problem is that you can be rooted but if the bootloader is encrypted like many Motorola's you cannot install a custom recovery to flash custom ROM's, you just have SU access being rooted.
I would take a nook color modded to have honeycomb over both
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I would take a nook color modded to have honeycomb over both
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Right, because that is a phone.
DumbUglyDragon said:
Right, because that is a phone.
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That's NOT the question of this topic, "Which do you beleive will have better roms?".
I agree with with donmoosavi. I too would take the Nook Color over anything Motorola or Samsung.
Samsung and motorola are trying to prevent installation of alternative roms. So I will avoid these.
LG maybe.
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That's NOT the question of this topic, "Which do you beleive will have better roms?".
I agree with with donmoosavi. I too would take the Nook Color over anything Motorola or Samsung.
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Seems to me the OP is asking the question in reference to phones, since he is looking to upgrade his Nexus One to an Matrix/GS2
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looks like the bootloader is encrypted on the atrix, that is now off the list.
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looks like the bootloader is encrypted on the atrix, that is now off the list.
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Actually the bootloader isn't encrypted, but it does perform a signature verification on the files... so the end result is the same. No custom roms as it sits right now.
Bummer.
I thought that by now, Motorola would have embraced the community.
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Neither. Motorola still has the encrypted bootloader and Samsung just lies about releasing updates.
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this. and htc puts stupid sense on the phones, only sense-less makes sense for me...
thus i wait for the nexus 2, the nexus s isn't appealing at all for me.
the atrix is sweet but no stock android, encrypted bootloader, firefox on the webtop.
there's currently just no phone that is a worthy replacement imo.
dronarg said:
Samsung and motorola are trying to prevent installation of alternative roms. So I will avoid these.
LG maybe.
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This is my thought as well. I won't get another android phone without community support. After watching Vibrant & Droid X development and their troubles I've ruled out both these manufactures regardless of specs.
I expect LG to be the most open of the upcoming android dual core models. It's just a guess though.
Most definitely NOT the Atrix. XDA should let that phone die... Hit them where it actually hurts with phone sales, rather than buying it in hopes to it being cracked one day.
The SGS II looks like the way to go between those two. Unless you feel like waiting to see what HTC ends up releasing.
As for LG, I have no idea. Never owned an LG phone before... The Optimus' bezel sticks out too much along the touch screen, so that'll probably be a deal breaker for me. We'll see when it actually comes out. Till then, it's a waiting game for me.
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Bummer.
I thought that by now, Motorola would have embraced the community.
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The Xoom has the same oem unlock/lock features of the Nexus S but unfortunately I think that's simply because it's a pure Google experience rather than a change in Motorolas views.
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gstar_raw said:
Most definitely NOT the Atrix. XDA should let that phone die... Hit them where it actually hurts with phone sales, rather than buying it in hopes to it being cracked one day.
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It's too bad that the number if people using cooked roms are a margin of error if the phone is successful for the normal consumer. The network perception will do 20x more to hurt sales than the locked bootloader ever will.
That being said, I'd wait for HTC to announce thier next gen (pyramid et al.)
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I know (almost) everyone is still upset about missing the steal... um, deal of the year, but does anyone know anything about this:
http://www.applelover.org/android-30-p-1088.html
I saw this and instantly thought SCAM ALERT!!! But what if it's not? If it's true, this can certainly make up for missing that other deal. Also noteworthy, this is a presale. Another thing that I was leery of with the Xoom already officially in stores...
Yeah, I'm sooo calling shenanigans on this.
So many red flags all over this.
Besides, shipping date May 31? Yeah..
They must be working on a different calendar than we are, because you only get the special pricing before "28th Jeb"
Scam... order by Jeb? Jebuary? Oh yeah that's the month that comes after Nevember and before I-lost-500$-uary. If it's a realty good deal you are being taken for a ride.
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A co-worker showed me this and I told him don't jump out the window for it till I poll the community. That Jeb part definitely flagged me!!
The name of the tablet also seems to be photoshopped onto the Xoom... It might be a scam or just a very cheap knock-off from Shenzhen. Either way, I am still waiting for my 25% Xoom
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The name of the tablet also seems to be photoshopped onto the Xoom... It might be a scam or just a very cheap knock-off from Shenzhen. Either way, I am still waiting for my 25% Xoom
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Sad part is, I was investigating this for my buddy around the time you guys were making off like bandits. He sidetracked me from my normal XDA browsing time!
I want one...I love my Xoom but this other thing has the ability to "access various types of flies, whatever the source". Take that Motorola!
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If you look at one of the photos, on the back of the device they have tape over "XOOM 12".
http://www.applelover.org/bmz_cache/c/c413d57912bfb65caa9bbc2ea2f9469b.image.750x498.jpg
I thought I recognized that long sleeve black sweater... He got some of the pics from these guys i think. (Look at silver sticker on third pic down). They are the same unit.
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2011/01/motorola-announces.ars
Looks like a pic from a beta version of the XOOM. My opinion, you're better off spending your money on 500 fortune cookies and playing the lottery with the numbers on the back.
I can't say 100% but I think it is a scam...I mean even knock-offs don't look 100% the same as the original.
Dante_l1 said:
I want one...I love my Xoom but this other thing has the ability to "access various types of flies, whatever the source". Take that Motorola!
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+1 on sarcasm!
Wow, thank you op for letting us know about this great deal. I did not want to miss out on a great deal like that 25% off coupon.
I quickly ordered it and I got an immediate email saying that it will be shipped on Mirch 2, 2011. That was quick.
I was about to spend $500 on my weekly ECT (electroconvulsive therapy) but I jumped on this great deal instead.
Thanks again OP.
Wow... Really? I guess there's one in every group. Try this thing called reading before you write. The main purpose of this was to show my buddy I wasn't the only one who saw this as bogus. Thank you however on your insight. We are all definitely a lot better for it!!
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Apaca1ypse said:
Wow... Really? I guess there's one in every group. Try this thing called reading before you write. The main purpose of this was to show my buddy I wasn't the only one who saw this as bogus. Thank you however on your insight. We are all definitely a lot better for it!!
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He was trolling.
I really like the part where it says that they have 90 units in stock. Then just a couple lines lower they say "Only 95 units left"! You better buy it quickly.
cant post the link but the news is on android police
how could it be since the phone are ready to ship? wouldn't this delay the launch? the more acceptable thing to do would be to give the devs instructions or fix it via an OTA.
fixxxer2008 said:
how could it be since the phone are ready to ship? wouldn't this delay the launch? the more acceptable thing to do would be to give the devs instructions or fix it via an OTA.
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when was the launch day released or confirmed ?
http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...ve-an-unlocked-bootloader-one-way-or-another/
Man. I can't express enough how happy I am with HTC. If this decision holds, and it looks likely, I doubt I'll ever buy another brand. I love Sense but, I love being able to customize and personalize Sense ...
MAJOR Kudos to HTC!
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how could it be since the phone are ready to ship? wouldn't this delay the launch? the more acceptable thing to do would be to give the devs instructions or fix it via an OTA.
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via OTA update when phone is activated . . .
SteveGrandRapids said:
via OTA update when phone is activated . . .
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Don't feed the troll, seriously.
Always been an htc fan since the htc touch vogue. All this just shows they're a customer first company. Bout the only one I can actually think of. Hell you cant even get a burger and fries anymore without running into company haggles.
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fixxxer2008 said:
how could it be since the phone are ready to ship? wouldn't this delay the launch? the more acceptable thing to do would be to give the devs instructions or fix it via an OTA.
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Why does the person with the nexus keep trolling the evo forums?
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I'm lovin it... was kind of surprised that they listened
please don't like HTC more than before, realize that they were going to do something that you didn't like/want and then changed their mind, I disrespect them for that, I will purchase their products but they still get a red mark in my satisfaction book
NewZJ said:
please don't like HTC more than before, realize that they were going to do something that you didn't like/want and then changed their mind, I disrespect them for that, I will purchase their products but they still get a red mark in my satisfaction book
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Oh turn your frown upside down
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Since their unlocking the bootloader does this mean NAND and everything is unlocked liked the OG Evo?
shouldn't this be in the 3D forum? besides, they knew from the beginning what they were going to do. They probably just wanted to see how many people actually cared, and they got more publicity from you clowns who are now singing their praises
alaman68 said:
shouldn't this be in the 3D forum? besides, they knew from the beginning what they were going to do. They probably just wanted to see how many people actually cared, and they got more publicity from you clowns who are now singing their praises
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Thanks. A bootloader conspiracy you say?...
Take the BLUE PILL.
alaman68 said:
besides, they knew from the beginning what they were going to do. They probably just wanted to see how many people actually cared, and they got more publicity from you clowns who are now singing their praises
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No.
The Sensation has the same encryption and that was released, with the encryption, 8 days ago.
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No.
The Sensation has the same encryption and that was released, with the encryption, 8 days ago.
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Ahh a hole in the conspiracy theory. Is Lloyd hiding in the grassy knoll?
Seriously, you guys can be upset with HTC but, they could have gave some generic reason as to why they are locking their phones and eventually things would have died down. They wouldn't have really suffered from it.
Instead, they went in the other direction. I give them credit for that. All this does is keep me as a customer.
Setting a nice precedent here!
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Here's the link, for anyone who hasn't seen it:
HTC CEO Confirms EVO 3D Will Have An Unlocked Bootloader One Way Or Another
Personally, I'm glad to hear it straight from him. Yeah, it will likely be an OTA, or an unlock tool, but this news reaffirmed my intentions to buy an E3D...which were shaky still even after the announcement yesterday.
tomp517 said:
Since their unlocking the bootloader does this mean NAND and everything is unlocked liked the OG Evo?
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Yes, sir. Absolutely. This means devs will be able to cook roms, kernels and any other goodies we are enjoying on the current Evo......and more.
Evo will get a update second quarter soon confirmed from HTC also they said they will post a list of phones that will not be locked. Some still are.