Im thinking of getting 3g. Is there a 10gb cap? How fast is tmo edge? Ty. I want to tether
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By 10 Gb cap are you talking about T-Mobile bottlenecking your phone's bandwidth after hitting 10 Gb of usage in a month? Yes, from what I've read that exists, but I've never ran into it and I think it's lower than that (around 2 Gb). T-Mobile Edge sucks, but if your in an area with HSPA+ (they're version of 4G) you should be alright. I think I get around 2 Mbps down/800 Kbps up.
Its actually a 5gb cap for t-mobile as of mid-October. It was 10gb but most people don't know about either of these numbers because the plans were sold explicitly as "unlimited", and technically they are because they don't actually cut you off and charge per mb after the 5gb cap like Att. They just "throttle" your speeds for the rest of the billing period from 3g (2mb) to edge (56k), which can be found in small print at the end of the terms of service booklet that comes with the phone (after you pay for it- cs reps DO NOT disclose this while selling you an "unlimited" plan).
You will know if you're throttled if you get a text from T-mo saying you've exceeded the cap, which has happened to me for the last 2 months. Luckily, the techs at T-Mobile are retarded and you can get around this by either replacing the throttle files in your rom.zip or by using an alternate apn. Search for "how to defeat data throttling" on xda and there's a complete guide on how to do both of these in the thread. I have heard that 4g phones wont get capped though, so you might want to look into that before buying a 3g. Speeds on 3g are decent though and I use both pdanet and wireless tethering to connect to my laptop on a daily basis. USB is faster, but I average around 1.7mb download and 1.2 up. Your location and distance from cell towers will be the biggest determining factor on speed.
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Thank you for your time mike. And for the long descriptive info. May I ask what keyboard you use. I must say, i admire your flawless spelling.
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I live approx 8miles from the nearest hspa tower. In los angeles all the city near the real downtown have fast 3g rate.. whqt do you think the most u can use before tmo slows u? I am a heavy user, about 18gig a month. Btw if u are 5gig capped, and say u used 4.5gig and switch apn, it reset to 0?
btw 4g as in the g2 and mytouch.4g?
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T-Mobile's 4G. Dunno about the G2, but yes to the myTouch 4G.
Haha thanks its just the keyboard that came with the latest cyanogen nightly, but it is slightly different than the keyboard from 6.1 rc1 and seems to be more responsive. I don't think it matters if you switch the apn before or after 5gb because they don't throttle the internet2 apn for some reason. I go over 15gb/month too because of tethering so i just use the alternate internet2 apn while throttled and switch back to epc.tmobile when the new billing cycle starts. Deleting the 7 throttle files is a more permanent fix but I hate dealing with adb and fastboot. And ya I meant the new mytouch and I'm pretty sure the g2 which are t-mobile's only "4g" phones atm. I really want to switch from my mytouch 3g to a 4g phone too but when i got this phone it was one of two t-mo androids at the time (ironically the g1 and mytouch 3g) and a month later they came out with like 10 more so I'm gonna wait for my upgrade cuz I know they're gonna pull the same BS with 4g after they get all the ppl with money burning a hole in their pockets to spring for the new mytouch and g2. If you're getting a new plan tho I would take a close look at their specs compared to the nexus s, I'll bet they don't come close. I live in central Cali btw, how do you check where the nearest tower is? Speedtest.net runs off a Modesto tower which is 45 mins away, I'm hoping my 3g tower is closer than that.
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On tmo website. There is a coverage map u can check on.
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...Luckily, the techs at T-Mobile are retarded and you can get around this by either replacing the throttle files in your rom.zip or by using an alternate apn. Search for "how to defeat data throttling" on xda and there's a complete guide on how to do both of these in the thread.
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I didn't even know about this. Anyone able to verify this 100% yet?
BTW, I added the hypertext for the guide that I'm assuming that you are referring to.
I was thinking of changing. My stupid verizon, in my area is charging me DOUBLE. I pay 40$ for verizon (internet+phone home) but they are charging me an EXTRA 20$. Which is BULL. So, im at a Pay or QUIT, and I QUIT.Screw that if your going to charge me 40 bucks, i might as well get 3G/4G. I will try to verify, let me reactivate my data plan..I will post back. Feel free to discuss
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I didn't even know about this. Anyone able to verify this 100% yet?
BTW, I added the hypertext for the guide that I'm assuming that you are referring to.
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Thanks for posting the link, I know that the alternate apn works and there are a few dozen ppl that have tested and confirmed that the other process works, with the only common issue being force closes on the networks setting menu. I have gone through the first steps of finding the 7 throttle files in the rom zip and changing them through adb using smali and the concept makes sense, but you have to delete these files for each rom install and Im currently testing the stability of the latest cm nightly build compared to 6.1 rc1 so I didn't want to finish until I decided on a rom. I believe there are a few ppl on that thread that have been compiling update.zip files that can be applied to any rom using recovery, but I tried one and got a bootloop so had to use nandroid. No throttle definitely makes 3g more bearable but to answer the question in the op, edge and 3g speeds suck compared to 4g and if you like the g2 or mytouch 4g I would buy one cuz there's no point getting stuck paying the same price for slower speeds for the next two years. The only thing holding me back is my contract, and $200 is looking more worth it every time I see 3g vs 4g speedtest posts.
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moneymike55 said:
Thanks for posting the link, I know that the alternate apn works and there are a few dozen ppl that have tested and confirmed that the other process works, with the only common issue being force closes on the networks setting menu. I have gone through the first steps of finding the 7 throttle files in the rom zip and changing them through adb using smali and the concept makes sense, but you have to delete these files for each rom install and Im currently testing the stability of the latest cm nightly build compared to 6.1 rc1 so I didn't want to finish until I decided on a rom. I believe there are a few ppl on that thread that have been compiling update.zip files that can be applied to any rom using recovery, but I tried one and got a bootloop so had to use nandroid. No throttle definitely makes 3g more bearable but to answer the question in the op, edge and 3g speeds suck compared to 4g and if you like the g2 or mytouch 4g I would buy one cuz there's no point getting stuck paying the same price for slower speeds for the next two years. The only thing holding me back is my contract, and $200 is looking more worth it every time I see 3g vs 4g speedtest posts.
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So if the throttle files make sense then so should this? Very simple actually:
Make a nandroid backup at the beginning of the billing period.
Use up your 5gb limit.
Restore your nandroid backup and see if you are still being throttled.
If so... doesn't work. If not... then there might be something to it.
Uh binary. Was Xda taken out of tapatalk for a few days? Couldnt access on phone. But curous what is a nandroid? I see it in my clockwork. But. Never did one. Explain to a Noob xD
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Uh binary. Was Xda taken out of tapatalk for a few days? Couldnt access on phone. But curous what is a nandroid? I see it in my clockwork. But. Never did one. Explain to a Noob xD
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I dunno about tapatalk. I haven't heard anything about it. However there is a member that has been posting his QUESTIONS in the Development section almost on a daily basis that I have to keep moving and at the bottom of all of his posts have the typical "Sent from..." on it. So maybe it was just yours?
Nandroid = Clockwork backup:
A complete backup of essential data and rom components.
It consists of the following:
[*]BOOT.IMG
[*]CACHE.IMG
[*]DATA.IMG
[*]SYSTEM.IMG
[*]RECOVERY.IMG
[*]SD-EXT.IMG
[*].ANDROID_SECURE.IMG
[*]MISC.IMG
These files can be restored by using the same tool to produce the backup. (ie Clockwork backups are restored by Clockwork Recovery, Nandroid.sh script can be restored by the nandroid.sh script recovery commands.)
There all pretty much the same. Nandroid and BART scripts aren't commonly used since Clockwork came around but all pretty much do the same thing. Since Clockwork is constantly updated it is the most recommended method of producing a backup of your phones current state.
Also worth noting that with some these backups they can also be restored by fastboot. Fastboot flash userdata data.img, Fastboot flash system system.img, Fastboot flash boot boot.img, Fastboot flash recovery recovery.img, Fastboot flash cache cache.img. Not certain about the SD-ext.img and .andoid_secure.img though.
So in my previously mentioned suggestion if the throttle files are the only cause of being throttled after exceeding the 5gb limit then the fix is simple. Restore the system.img which contains the framework's services.jar file. But I'm very skeptical that this would even work because I'm pretty skeptical that the method in the guide is effective. Hell... to make it even easier what's to stop you from exceeding your 5gb limit and simply putting your sim in another phone and using the data from that device? I think T-Mobile is smarter than that... aren't they? Using a different APN perhaps... but not editing the serivce.jar file. That's just my theory anyway.
If you want my opinion, I think that the provider (T-Mobile) throttles it on their end... not by ours. Broadband providers (Comcast, AT&T Broadband, Roadrunner, etc) don't throttle your bandwidth by replacing the drivers on your computers network card. It's all on their end.
I have a hypothesis, built on what binaey said.. I think that every sim card has a unique tracking code. So on 3g. When you request data, it will use your unique id. They save the info on their logs, and disable you when u hit 5gigs. Nevertheless, i will still try.
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Oh and the switching apn ideas seems pretty concrete.
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I have a hypothesis, built on what binaey said.. I think that every sim card has a unique tracking code. So on 3g. When you request data, it will use your unique id. They save the info on their logs, and disable you when u hit 5gigs. Nevertheless, i will still try.
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That's what SIM's do. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subscriber_Identity_Module
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Binary100100 said:
So in my previously mentioned suggestion if the throttle files are the only cause of being throttled after exceeding the 5gb limit then the fix is simple. Restore the system.img which contains the framework's services.jar file. But I'm very skeptical that this would even work because I'm pretty skeptical that the method in the guide is effective. Hell... to make it even easier what's to stop you from exceeding your 5gb limit and simply putting your sim in another phone and using the data from that device? I think T-Mobile is smarter than that... aren't they? Using a different APN perhaps... but not editing the serivce.jar file. That's just my theory anyway.
If you want my opinion, I think that the provider (T-Mobile) throttles it on their end... not by ours. Broadband providers (Comcast, AT&T Broadband, Roadrunner, etc) don't throttle your bandwidth by replacing the drivers on your computers network card. It's all on their end.
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You're right, the throttle files are activated OTA by t-mobile once you reach the cap. These files are built into the rom and, once activated, constantly bottleneck data speeds from your registered account, meaning that switching phones or loading a backup from the beginning of the month wont work because the data usage is stored on t-mo servers and your rom will still contain the files they need to automatically throttle you. The key to all of this is cost effectiveness through automation. You would think the techs at T-Mobile would be aware of the fact that simply deleting the files and replacing them to essentially trick the phone is possible, and I'm sure they are. The problem is that it would be a lot more expensive to pay employees to manually update individual users accounts and maintain them for the entire throttle cycle. T-mobile's system is undoubtedly flawed, but (beside the fact that only MAYBE a few hundred thousand ppl of their millions of customers know about it, and theyre making up for it from the ppl who manually updated and are actually paying $15 to tether) it has already been worked into all their phones and would require either new infrastructure and manpower to fix, or the cancellation of developer's data plans altogether for violating TOS. The mod has been thoroughly tested with all positive results though, and the entire time we've been discussing this I have been "throttled" at 2.0mb lol. I didn't bother with the mod because the internet2 apn has been working great. Incidentally, after the throttle was deactivated mid-morning yesterday my speeds jumped from ~2.0 to 3.2 consistently for 6 tests under internet2 apn, and ~2.5 top on epc.tmobile apn. Along with the fact that a t-mo rep on their forums said that all employees use internet2 and that is also what cs reccommends to customers with bad service before they cancel their contracts, I am starting to come to the conclusion that the alternate apn is a solution to several issues including throttle and overall connection speed.
And by the way JP, nandroid is one of the most important things you can do when modding your device. It essentially creates a backup of the current state of your device so that if you ever get stuck in a boot-loop or black screen, you can boot to recovery and reinstall the backup. It only takes 5mins to make through recovery or rom manager,and is very valuable to have just in case (saved me from a bricked device 2 weeks ago...after staying up all night trying to figure out what buttons to push to boot to recovery without the internet
EDIT: tested both apns again using speedtest.net app and went from 2100kbps consistently on epc.tmobile to 1650kbps avg on internet2 so I could be wrong about the speed improvement. Sent from my HTC Magic using XDA App
Update: Alternate apn fix no longer works as of this month. Have fun answering the phone tmobile cuz ppl r really going to complain now.
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So i was looking to update the rom on the wifes DInc and ran across this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=891047
Possible on the X?
I guess dont get it...don't we already have unlimited data?
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agreed... i assumed the same. however, the post makes it sound like they begin to throttle the throughput at some point and this hack prevents that.
Unlimited data is what we have, but this hack removes data throttling verizon does. I did it on my inc (wifes phone) and the download speed doubled
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would it work the same on our X's?
Interesting... Hmmmm...
how much data do you have to use before they start throttling you?
I use around 2GB/month and couldn't really imagine using much more with 3G. It's pretty damn slow.
Ive never even heard of a data cap... im a verizon rep and the only thing I do know about is that if your monthly data hits 5 gigs + that your account is notated, because its nearly impossible to hit 5g a month on a cellphone unless your rooted and using it illegally as a free wireless hotspot and running your whole house off of it
I will try to break it down Crayola style...
What this does is removes any sort of throttle that VzDubya puts. Yes our phones have "unlimited" data on them BUT if you go over 5G in a month they limit your throughput to lets say 300kbps.
Another situation is that in some areas of congestion they will put blanket throttles to an area rather then a specific device. This is done to ensure there is little network degradation. This is why during rush hour you can only do 600kbps when at 2am it will go to 1.6Mbps with no real changes but the time of day.
This makes it so you wont be effected by said situations. So if you're in an area where this is not done or you dont use over 5G in a month this wont have any effect on your phone.
thanks. wouldn't help me then... and i assume most folks. i consider myself a pretty average to maybe average-heavy net user on my phone simply because i subscribe to mog and stream/download music often... and even so, haven't ever hit 5gigs on my phone in a month.
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I will try to break it down Crayola style...
What this does is removes any sort of throttle that VzDubya puts. Yes our phones have "unlimited" data on them BUT if you go over 5G in a month they limit your throughput to lets say 300kbps.
Another situation is that in some areas of congestion they will put blanket throttles to an area rather then a specific device. This is done to ensure there is little network degradation. This is why during rush hour you can only do 600kbps when at 2am it will go to 1.6Mbps with no real changes but the time of day.
This makes it so you wont be effected by said situations. So if you're in an area where this is not done or you dont use over 5G in a month this wont have any effect on your phone.
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What's there to lose? Avoiding any kind of throttling? I've done this on my phone, if nothing else but to stick it to the MAN.
I agree. Nothing to loose from doing it. Also if you travel (and that I do a lot of) and happen to go to an area where the blanket throttle is implemented then you (and all the other xda junkies!) will not even notice!
Joe92T said:
Ive never even heard of a data cap... im a verizon rep and the only thing I do know about is that if your monthly data hits 5 gigs + that your account is notated, because its nearly impossible to hit 5g a month on a cellphone unless your rooted and using it illegally as a free wireless hotspot and running your whole house off of it
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I call bull**** on this. You DO NOT have to be rooted to tether. They sell PDAnet in the market.
Try again..
LexusBrian400 said:
I call bull**** on this. You DO NOT have to be rooted to tether. They sell PDAnet in the market.
Try again..
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You can go over without tethering. This its a modification to system files. You do have to be rooted to do that. All people are saying is that verizon throttles data speeds, especially for heavy users. Your data still works, out is just much slower.
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You can go over without tethering. This its a modification to system files. You do have to be rooted to do that. All people are saying is that verizon throttles data speeds, especially for heavy users. Your data still works, out is just much slower.
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I dont think u read what I quoted. he said you had to be rooted to tether. All I was saying is thats not true. PDAnet in the market allows you to tether.. no root needed. I wasnt talking about this hack.
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I dont think u read what I quoted. he said you had to be rooted to tether. All I was saying is thats not true. PDAnet in the market allows you to tether.. no root needed. I wasnt talking about this hack.
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Ah...after reading his post again he obviously doesn't know much about data. I can go way over 5gig because I download directly to my phone a lot and watch videos. In my home we go over 50 gig for the same reason. Netflix uses a crap ton of bandwidth. Maybe he needs to learn about data. Verizon actually has more data capacity with there fiber network than any other data provider, wireless our otherwise.
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If you guys are done bickering I'll get back on topic and post the services.jar file I pulled from my X and modified following the original post from Bthomas22x. Boot into recovery and apply ServicesUnthrottled.zip.
Note #1 - I am not responsible for anything happening to you phone.
Note #2 - My services.jar has a WHITE clock because I have a black status bar. If you have a BLACK clock you need to do it the manual way.
Note #3 - It took my X a little while to boot up so don't freak out if it's at the boot logo for a while.
this ok to be installed on any rom?
Didn't cause issues with gummyjar.
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I think the only prerequisite is you need to be de-odexed. Tried it with the odex files in place and sat at the M for about 20 min. Flashed recovery and manual deoexed and booted after about 5 min. Running otherwise stock 2.2.1...
Going to wait till tomorrow and flash between recoveries to see any noticeable difference.
Hello Everyone, I am currently with Tmobile and I have my G2 rooted and I love it. I use the portable hotspot feature quite a bit at work so I'm signed up for tmobiles "unlimited" internet on my phone. However Once I hit 5gb bandwidth for the month I received a text message saying that I had hit the 5gb cap for the month and for the duration of the pay period I would still have internet since I'm signed up for "unlimited" but I would have a reduced speed... Let me tell you right now its very reduced. So my first question is, do you guys have this problem? and my second question is, which service providers don't have this lame cap? My friend is on Sprint currently and he's used 12GB bandwidth so far this month and can still use his 4G speed which would be nice. So I may go with Sprint however I'd like to keep my options open so do you guys know if Verizon or At&T have the cap as well? Also what kind of phones would you guys suggest with the two? Preferably I'd like to fix the problem with Tmobile however I don't see that happening because when I went in the store they said I was already at the most internet /month.
Currently the only 2 providers that dont have a cap AFAIK are sprint and verizon. ATT used to have one, but was taken away back when the first ipad came out and now they only offer 2gb and charge you 10 dollars a gig over that. Sprint phones arent all that great right now ,probably the best phone on sprint right now IMO, would be the epic 4g. Verizons best phone is the thunderbolt, which ironically isnt for sale yet, but it will this month. they also have the iphone and some other android phones (fairly outdated at this point)
You got to remember that verizon is more expensive than t-mobile. Sprint is fairly expensive too and their 4g phones require an extra 10 dollar fee for bs reasons. If you want the unlimited data youre going to have to pony up the cash.
If i was you i would wait for the dual core phones to come to those carries, the droid bionic for verizon and who knows what for sprint.
Ps. I heard that verizon is throttling the top 5% of its users. I read it in engadget but alas, i dont have that carrier/problem so i havent looked into it.
Hope i helped a little
Edit: forgot to mention that if you want 4g you have to make sure that you are in an area that has the 4g specific for that carrier. Your friend has 4g on sprint so that means youre at least in a wimax (sprint 4g) area.
Verizon has a different 4g (LTE) that might not be in your area at this point in time.
Also sprint has 3 4g phones, t mobile has 3 and verizon has only 1 and it isnt even out yet.
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Nice break down.
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personally with the price per month my wife and i are paying for tmobile i would never leave.
best way to do it is to have 5 member family plan... cheapest way at least.
A T-Mobile tech support rep told me that he was told in a recent meeting that they were going back to the 10 gig cap. He said a date wasn't mentioned...who knows if this is true or not, I'm just sharing what I was told.
That was amazingly helpful and I have a lot to consider now. I do have it pretty nice with Tmobile right now because we have a 5 family member plan and if there is a prospect of 10gig coming out then I will probably wait it out. And if the new phones come out and I still want to change then I will. Thank you so much for your help!
There is a way to defeat the throttle. I've never hit the cap myself so haven't tried it. Five year old data plan with 10gb? Limit. But for root users it involved removing 3 files from the radio? Try searching the dev threads. I do remember that T-mo was the only carrier that this would work with. The throttle takes place on your device.
kgold708 said:
There is a way to defeat the throttle. I've never hit the cap myself so haven't tried it. Five year old data plan with 10gb? Limit. But for root users it involved removing 3 files from the radio? Try searching the dev threads. I do remember that T-mo was the only carrier that this would work with. The throttle takes place on your device.
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I was under the impression that method no longer worked. If I'm wrong, please correct me.
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I was under the impression that method no longer worked. If I'm wrong, please correct me.
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Nope, my bad. I'm wrong on this one. Good luck!
Well Tmo finally saw what we were doing in data throttling and it did work realllly well..but all good things come to an end.
I have however managed to "defeat" throttling by....staying under the 5GB. Through wifi surfing. I have wifi at home and at work and those are the two places you find me . Simple.
But its a DAMN SHAME because I never rode wifi before because HDSPA is faster than wifi. Takes me twice as long to download a CM nightie on wifi.
Tmo has got to smarten up. Still they're still my favorite compared to the others.
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But its a DAMN SHAME because I never rode wifi before because HDSPA is faster than wifi. Takes me twice as long to download a CM nightie on wifi.
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Your broadband connection being shared via wifi must really be slow for HSDPA to be faster. What is it, DSL?
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I agree,your broadband connection via wifi must really suck. I get an average of 13gb down & just under 3 gb up. Some day's I'll get a little over 15gb down. You should probably get a new router.
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A close friend of mine got an Evo to put on Metro recently, and after he got the MetroFlash done to it, I went ahead and got the web, gps and MMS features working on it by flashing the MetroDroid rom over it. Once I got it done and confirmed working, another friend of mine and his sister who also have Evo's on Metro wanted me to do this to their phones, as well. I did so, but during the process, I realized that her phone was connected to and running on Sprint's 4G network. One of my cousins also has an Evo on Metro and I just confirmed with him that his 4G takes him to the Sprint one-day pass for $9.99 page just like the other Metro Evos do. I've dealt with 5 different Evo's that are on Metro, and this is the only one that has 4G working on it.
I did a ##3282# to compare the Wimax settings of her phone to the others, but there were no differences that stood out to me.
Does anyone know if there are any version of QPST or CDMA workshop out there that have the capability of reading/writing the WiMax parameters of these phones? I am sure there are setting that can be adjusted using a dedicated program that aren't available using EPST (##3282#), but I would need some help getting this done.
Does anyone have any ideas? Or is there already a fix out there for Evo users on Metro to be able to use 4G that I did not find when I searched? If not, I'd love to get this out to the community. I'm sure this would also work for people who have their Evos on Cricket, too.
The wimax for Sprint is provided by a separate company, i think its called "clear wire". Anyway they provide wimax to lots of places. You get a contract with them and use the EVO to pick up the signal. You don't need Sprint.....
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The wimax for Sprint is provided by a separate company, i think its called "clear wire". Anyway they provide wimax to lots of places. You get a contract with them and use the EVO to pick up the signal. You don't need Sprint.....
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Thanks for your insight, but I am aware of the fact that Sprint's 4G signal comes from Clear and that you can get a contract with Clear if you were inclined to do so. However, that is not the case here. This phone is fully flashed to Metro and still says "Connected to Sprint" when you turn on 4G and works at 4G speeds. She does not have a contract with Clear, yet it works. Somehow, the way her phone is set up, it runs on Metro's network with 4G off and Sprint's 4G network when the antenna is on.
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Thanks for your insight, but I am aware of the fact that Sprint's 4G signal comes from Clear and that you can get a contract with Clear if you were inclined to do so. However, that is not the case here. This phone is fully flashed to Metro and still says "Connected to Sprint" when you turn on 4G and works at 4G speeds. She does not have a contract with Clear, yet it works. Somehow, the way her phone is set up, it runs on Metro's network with 4G off and Sprint's 4G network when the antenna is on.
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No, it is always connected to Metro, the only thing that runs on sprint is the 4G, the $10 pass is also technically from sprint, this is because the wimax mac address is assigned to sprint. This will happen on any Evo, as long as you don't corrupt the RSA Keys. No you don't need QPST/QXDM to rewrite the MAC Address, it can be done thru adb, but with the evo it has an additional level of security of the RSA Keys, so it wouldn't help.
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No, it is always connected to Metro, the only thing that runs on sprint is the 4G, the $10 pass is also technically from sprint, this is because the wimax mac address is assigned to sprint. This will happen on any Evo, as long as you don't corrupt the RSA Keys. No you don't need QPST/QXDM to rewrite the MAC Address, it can be done thru adb, but with the evo it has an additional level of security of the RSA Keys, so it wouldn't help.
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I understand that it always runs on Metro and that the 4G is on Sprint. I meant that it switches back to Metro's coverage if there is no WiMax signal or if you turn off the 4G antenna. I also know about the RSA keys and about MAC addresses. However, I do have access to a phone flashed to Metro and it connects to Sprint's/Clear's 4G all the time. If one phone can do it, then any phone can do it; which is the entire point of this thread. What I need help with is figuring out why that one phone does connect AND run on 4G.
Again: I have no use for this personally, as I am on Sprint. I only want to know how it works so I can share it with everyone.
That sounds like an error on sprints side of things. Like that device is unknowingly accessing the network, or it's permission was never revoked.
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I know metro PC's has 4g coverage in certain markets. I am pretty sure she is getting 4g provitioned through metro. Also when flashing metro it always does not change the sprint sign on top. Even though it is running on metro. I think one way to find it is to ask her how much she pay a month. Because metro pcs plan with 4g is 10 dollars more.
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That sounds like an error on sprints side of things. Like that device is unknowingly accessing the network, or it's permission was never revoked.
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That's a possibility, as I found out after making this thread that her phone was brand new in the box and activated on Sprint, but it was never used on Sprint at the time it was flashed over to Metro. All the other phones were used on Sprint and later disconnected from Sprint at one time or another and for one reason or another.
Is it possible to re-write the WiMax MAC address on the phone? If so, then I could back-up her WiMax settings using Amon and try flashing the RSA keys from her phone onto another phone after the MAC address has been changed to match hers. It's just a theory......I don't know. I'm willing to hear out any other ideas you guys may have.
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I know metro PC's has 4g coverage in certain markets. I am pretty sure she is getting 4g provitioned through metro. Also when flashing metro it always does not change the sprint sign on top. Even though it is running on metro. I think one way to find it is to ask her how much she pay a month. Because metro pcs plan with 4g is 10 dollars more.
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That is definitely not the case. Metro's 4G network is not compatible with Sprint and will not work on the Evo. Sprint is the only carrier that uses WiMax for 4G, and the only way she should be able to connect to 4G is if she was paying Clear for their service.....which she is not. Her plan is the basic $40 a month for talk & text.....nothing more.
Using Rom Manager should make a FULL back up....including ALL wimax setting.
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Using Rom Manager should make a FULL back up....including ALL wimax setting.
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Agreed. However, the RSA keys for your WiMax are married to the MAC address on your phone. MAC addresses are not backed up as they are particular to individual hardware. Therefore, in order to try this I would first need to re-write the MAC address on whatever phone I'm flashing the WiMax back up onto to match the MAC address of the phone from which the WiMax back up came from.
Even then, it's a theory and it may not work.
Oh sorry I didn't knew that. I stand corrected. Also if you don't mind can you tell what sort of 3g speed you get with metro pcs.
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Oh sorry I didn't knew that. I stand corrected. Also if you don't mind can you tell what sort of 3g speed you get with metro pcs.
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No need to apologize.....input is appreciated and necessary to figure something out.
3G speeds? None. lol More like 1x speeds. Also, my Evo is on Sprint, so I wouldn't be able to tell you exactly what the download speeds are. I can tell you that it makes Sprint's super slow data speeds seem faster than lightning. lol
Next time I'm with any of the people who have a Metro Evo (which is quite often), I'll try to remember to download and run SpeedTest just to see what it does.
I've been looking over a few threads here about the soft data caps that T-Mobile uses. I'm aware about how it works and everything but I've found something kind of odd. I've seen a couple of posts about other people having some success with it.
Over the past 3 or 4 months my phone has been my primary internet connection by using the hotspot feature. This phone is completely stock (non rooted, no custom roms, etc) and within a few days of my new billing cycle I would hit the 5GB data limit for my plan. Out of frustration I turned off WCDMA/GSM auto to GSM to see if it would work faster. I turned it back to auto after a day or two and found that I had been un-throttled. I would check the My Account app on my phone and it would state that I had been throttled but everything is working on 4G speeds.
So this month just out of curiosity I've been using as much data as possible just to see if anything will be done. I'm not trying to be a data hog or anything, this is just out of curiosity. I'm 7 days into my billing cycle and have used over 22 gigs and still going strong. I'm currently streaming Netflix in HD and have two laptops and another smart phone using the data.
Does anyone know if I'll see a cease and desist letter from T-Mobile or if anything at all will happen?
Side note: This phone/T-Mobile has really surprised me with the speeds and capabilities it has. I used an iPhone4 with AT&T to stream Netflix and the quality and buffering was horrendous in comparison.
This sounds extremely beautiful to me as I bought the 10$ 200mb and I blow through that in less then a day. If this works you would not believe how happy this would make me. As for T-Mobile doing a cease and desist order I would highly doubt it. When I had a T-Mobile dash 2 years ago, without a data plan I was able to connect to the internet free of charge, and I would watch youtube Justin.tv and so on. I did this for almost 1 and a half years and have seen nothing from T-Mobile.
so basically, all you did was turn it to only GSM for a day or two, and then back on and the throttle went away?
Im gonna try the same thing and see what kinda speeds im getting after I turn it back on. 5gigs goes really quick and throttled speeds suck, Drives me crazy.. Ill get back with my results..
Subscribing to this... I just got a throttle boner. If this turns out to work for other folks I will seriously **** my pants. I had to upgrade to the $60 10gb plan bc I have been using this as my primary internet.
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Haha I remember this hack from the G1 days, when people used over 2gb data at that time. It actually works, it tricks the system I guess. I thought tmo patched it.
I've searched everywhere and can't find the setting, could someone shed some light.
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I've searched everywhere and can't find the setting, could someone shed some light.
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Sure. Type *#*#4636#*#* into the dialer. From in there you can choose GSM only.
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Sure. Type *#*#4636#*#* into the dialer. From in there you can choose GSM only.
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Since it is decided on their side i don't think they will try any legal action or whatever against you, happy throttling
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I've searched everywhere and can't find the setting, could someone shed some light.
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/Settings/Wireless & Networks/Mobile Networks/Network Mode. Then select GSM only
thats the first place I looked but to no avail, I can't seem to find the network modes but the *#4636#*#* works just fine, has anyone found this method to work?
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thats the first place I looked but to no avail, I can't seem to find the network modes but the *#4636#*#* works just fine, has anyone found this method to work?
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i dont remember stock rom having the 2g option so...yea
What phone are you currently using?
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Just an update on my usage. I've attached a screenshot of the amount of data that I've used so far from the monitor usage section of mytmobile.com
Also a speedtest that I ran just now just to see what it's running at. Right now usually seems around peak time, the ping and download speed is usually a bit faster at night.
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Subscribing to this... I just got a throttle boner. If this turns out to work for other folks I will seriously **** my pants. I had to upgrade to the $60 10gb plan bc I have been using this as my primary internet.
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That's what I was going to have to do to try to avoid being throttled. If you get a chance to try it out let me know what happens.
If anyone else does want to try this if you could let me know what happens. Also if you could let me know the phone model, current data plan, and anything else that you think may be important. I'm curious to know if it is my phone, the MyTouch 4G's in general, or what. I don't know anyone else with a smart phone with T-Mobile that cares about this so if anyone could provide any feedback on this it would be great.
My refill minutes and data just started today and I'm already at 1 gig will probably report back next Sunday
I have gotten the "5gb throttle" text from T-Mobile a couple times but I have never been throttled and that's without doing this "trick". I've never done anything and still seem to not get throttled even tho I've gotten the texts saying they were going to throttle me for the remainder of my cycle. It did it on my MT4G and its also doing it on my Sensation now. Maybe I'm just lucky.
*knocks on wood*
Im trying this asap...I run a shoutcast radio station (limbik frequencies if anyone cares to know) and I drive a truck all night so have been listening via the 4g while i drive...needless to say I run out of data in no time. Even if I upgraded to the 5gb plan (which is the highest they offer me) I'd still run out...1mb per minute, 5-9 hours a night....doesn't add up right! Worst part is that its a nonprofit station that AOL pays for our bandwidth to stream...seriously I shouldn't have to pay out the ass to make sure its running and simultaneously enjoy it!
EDIT: Read the second post for more info/alternate hybrid PRL/how to revert back to stock! I know it's a read but it should answer any questions you have!
This is a video tutorial I threw together on how to change your PRL. There has been some confusion as to how to change the PRL/some people having trouble doing it. I hope this helps!
WARNING!! Use this at your own risk! People have had their accounts terminated by using too much roaming data.
That being said, I've used this have for a few months now, and I haven't had any trouble, but others have.
This hack loads a new PRL onto your phone. It tells your phone to use roaming data instead of Sprint. Normally you only roam on 1x, but this makes you roam on Verizon's 3g all the time. In my area it is over 10x as fast as sprint. In my house (with 2 bars) I get 1.3 mb/s average download, and when I have any more bars I get well over 2 mb/s consistently. This is compared to dial-up like speeds on Sprint...
Let's get started, shall we?
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Links for the downloads are below!
Watch it through and follow the directions. This will work on most ROMs, One I know it will work on is Codename Android 1.4. Here are the directions in writing:
1. Get your MSL number. Do this by getting an app from the market called terminal emulator. type in:
su (hit enter)
getprop ril.MSL (caps sensitive, then hit enter)
your MSL will be there. It will be a 6 digit code. Write this down for later!
You can also call Sprint and if you ask nicely they may give it to you!
2. Install drivers for your device on your computer. Look up a Youtube tutorial on how to do this. It was the hardest part for me.
3. Download the file "00001.prl" and QPST. Links to both are below. On your computer, extract the QPST file, open it up, and double click on setup. Go through the installation process.
4. Go back to the phone and open up the dialer. Enter this: *#*#8778#*#*
5. On the menue that pops up there will be a secton labeled "USB". Change it from PDA to "Modem"
6. Back to the computer. Hit the start menu and open up device manager. Double click on "ports" and you should see your devide there. at the end it will look like this: (COM#). Write down the number at the end of the COM.
7. Hit the start and search for QPST and open it. At the bottom corner click on new device, and when it asks for the port enter COM# (using the number you found in the last step), and hit ok.
8. Now go to "start clients" and hit "SERVICE PROGRAMMING". It will ask what port you will be modifying, just click your device and hit ok.
9. there will be these tabs with CDMA, CDMA-2, ESN, etc. Click on the one that said "Roam". In the lower box hit browse, and find the 00001.prl file. hit ok.
10. Finally, hit "write to phone". The phone should reboot, and you're done!
11. I forgot to add this in the video. Once it boots up, go back to the dialer and enter the *#*#8778#*#* code again. Change it back from modem to PDA and you are done!
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Here are the files:
00001.prl: http://www.box.com/s/esb2ot5z8avjymqspxec
QPST: http://www.x-drivers.com/catalog/flash/mobile_phones/companies/qualcomm/models/qpst/12051.html
Post your results! How are your speeds before and after? Use the speedtest.net app to test. And don't forget to hit the thanks button!
So due to the rumors circling, I decided to clear them up here.
Read this before posting!
These are the drivers I use with my Nexus s 4g:
http://nexusshacks.com/nexus-s-hacks/how-to-install-nexus-s-windows-usb-drivers/
The PRL I included in the first post will make your phone work on VERIZON! It shows up on your plan as roaming data. If you use the 00001 prl then you DO NOT have to make your phone force roam or anything of the sort. It just works on Verizon, and your phone will NOT show that it is roaming, yet it is. Got it?
When you flash a new ROM, the PRL isn't touched. So you don't have to redo this if you flash a new ROM. Also, if your ROM doesn't do anything with the dialer code, then make a nandroid of it, flash a new ROM (I know for a fact that CM9 V3 and codename android 1.4 work), do the hack, then restore your nandroid. It's a little round-about, but it works!
How to use BOTH networks:
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Now you can use a hybrid PRL. These have you on Sprint and they allow you to use the Verizon 3g if you force roam. I used this on my EVO 4g, but I haven't had great luck with it on my Nexus s 4g. Others have. Try it out if you want, here is a hybrid PRL (11114):
http://www.box.com/s/yrml7pzfgjc1od8hbp2j
You apply it the same way as the 00001 PRL.
Once it is installed, you will still be on Sprint's network. If you want to make your phone work on Verizon, then you have to make your phone force roam. You can do that with this app: roamctrl.com
Now you can switch between using Sprint and Verizon 3g!
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Reverting back to stock
If you want to go back to the stock PRL, you have 2 choices. Both of which are pretty easy.
The first would be to go an official Sprint ROM, go to settings>software upgrade>update PRL or settings>about phone>update PRL.
If you are on a ROM where you can't do that, then you can just put the stock PRL on your phone using the same method that you used to put a custom one on.
As of this post, this is the latest sprint PRL:
http://www.box.com/s/fc67ca1qfx7nymqnfozy
Download it and use QPST to put it on your phone. Easy as pie
Finally some info on Roaming on Sprint:
Now your plan includes "unlimited roaming data". Sprint, however, says in the fine print that if you go over 300mb you can get into trouble. I have used this hack for 4 months using 1-1.5 gb of data. Never had a problem. I only know one guy first hand who has ever gotten kicked off their plan from this. So know it is a possibility, but unlikely. And they send you a warning letter before they kick you off. If you get the letter just revert back to the stock one!
If there is anything else I should add here let me know!
Interesting. Will this give me over charges for roaming then?
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Interesting. Will this give me over charges for roaming then?
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Roaming is unlimited on Sprint's unlimited data plan. So nope!
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So when they terminate your account do you still have to pay them or isthat it? This might be good for me. I might flash my ns4g to BoostMobile and I might try this.
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Be very careful with that 00001 prl. There are others like 11115 etc that won't get you in any trouble.
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So when they terminate your account do you still have to pay them or isthat it? This might be good for me. I might flash my ns4g to BoostMobile and I might try this.
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If they terminate your account you are not responsible for any ETFs or other fees.
I'm going to try it out
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Use my NS4G on Verizon's 3G network? Oh my... yes please.
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Be very careful with that 00001 prl. There are others like 11115 etc that won't get you in any trouble.
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I used to use that PRL on my EVO, but it isn't working on this phone. It was just using Sprint even when I force roamed.
I'll use the 00001. I've used it for 4 months and had 1-2 gigs of roaming data. No Trouble yet!
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wont this cause Sprint to cancel me as I will be roaming on over 300mb?
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I used to use that PRL on my EVO, but it isn't working on this phone. It was just using Sprint even when I force roamed.
I'll use the 00001. I've used it for 4 months and had 1-2 gigs of roaming data. No Trouble yet!
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I hope you never do(have trouble that is)! Did you use it (00001) on the Evo as well? If you did, did you notice any speed differences between that and 11115? And great video by the way! Especially for your first on youtube!
Someone confirm that this works?
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Someone confirm that this works?
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I can! haha I've done it on 2 different phones and many many ROMs.
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Someone confirm that this works?
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Confirmed. Absolutely on point!
Coycaine said:
I hope you never do(have trouble that is)! Did you use it (00001) on the Evo as well? If you did, did you notice any speed differences between that and 11115? And great video by the way! Especially for your first on youtube!
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Thanks! It is just my first video on this channel.
I did use the 00001.prl on the EVO. I ended up using the 11115 on my EVO as well. It worked ok on that phone, but I wasn't getting data as fast as the 00001. And I couldn't get the 11115 to work on my Nexus.
Warning!!! Do NOT do this hack constantly! I personally have a friends who did this on his Evo for about a month straight and Sprint sent him a letter and ended his contract with no fees. His service was terminated within 2 weeks of receiving the letter from Sprint.
Edit: yes, he had unlimited roaming on HIS plan as well. So there's little truth behind Sprint's claims.
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Warning!!! Do NOT do this hack constantly! I personally have a friends who did this on his Evo for about a month straight and Sprint sent him a letter and ended his contract with no fees. His service was terminated within 2 weeks of receiving the letter from Sprint.
Edit: yes, he had unlimited roaming on HIS plan as well. So there's little truth behind Sprint's claims.
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There are whole threads on this over in the EVO 4g forum. OF the many who use this hack only 3 or so have had this happen. And they weren't the heaviest users. If you get the letter then just undo the hack and you're fine!
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Warning!!! Do NOT do this hack constantly! I personally have a friends who did this on his Evo for about a month straight and Sprint sent him a letter and ended his contract with no fees. His service was terminated within 2 weeks of receiving the letter from Sprint.
Edit: yes, he had unlimited roaming on HIS plan as well. So there's little truth behind Sprint's claims.
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Sounds like a win win to me! Use Verizon speeds while I'm under contract and then IF Sprint terminates my contract I'm free and clear to take my NS4G to boost or go get the (Insert latest new device) as a new customer with no ETF's???!!! YES PLEASE
On a side note, would this have any effect of 4G? I ask because I live in a no 4G area on Sprints network but Verizon has 4G in my area. Just curious if it would give me 4G as well. I have no idea how 4G networks work as I haven't ever used it.
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Sounds like a win win to me! Use Verizon speeds while I'm under contract and then IF Sprint terminates my contract I'm free and clear to take my NS4G to boost or go get the (Insert latest new device) as a new customer with no ETF's???!!! YES PLEASE
On a side note, would this have any effect of 4G? I ask because I live in a no 4G area on Sprints network but Verizon has 4G in my area. Just curious if it would give me 4G as well. I have no idea how 4G networks work as I haven't ever used it.
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A lot of people use the hack to get out of the contract. They use crazy amounts of data to get noticed. Funny thing is, most of them haven't gotten "the letter" yet. It seems almost random.
And this wouldn't give you Verizon 4g. Totally different radios.