So i was looking to update the rom on the wifes DInc and ran across this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=891047
Possible on the X?
I guess dont get it...don't we already have unlimited data?
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agreed... i assumed the same. however, the post makes it sound like they begin to throttle the throughput at some point and this hack prevents that.
Unlimited data is what we have, but this hack removes data throttling verizon does. I did it on my inc (wifes phone) and the download speed doubled
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would it work the same on our X's?
Interesting... Hmmmm...
how much data do you have to use before they start throttling you?
I use around 2GB/month and couldn't really imagine using much more with 3G. It's pretty damn slow.
Ive never even heard of a data cap... im a verizon rep and the only thing I do know about is that if your monthly data hits 5 gigs + that your account is notated, because its nearly impossible to hit 5g a month on a cellphone unless your rooted and using it illegally as a free wireless hotspot and running your whole house off of it
I will try to break it down Crayola style...
What this does is removes any sort of throttle that VzDubya puts. Yes our phones have "unlimited" data on them BUT if you go over 5G in a month they limit your throughput to lets say 300kbps.
Another situation is that in some areas of congestion they will put blanket throttles to an area rather then a specific device. This is done to ensure there is little network degradation. This is why during rush hour you can only do 600kbps when at 2am it will go to 1.6Mbps with no real changes but the time of day.
This makes it so you wont be effected by said situations. So if you're in an area where this is not done or you dont use over 5G in a month this wont have any effect on your phone.
thanks. wouldn't help me then... and i assume most folks. i consider myself a pretty average to maybe average-heavy net user on my phone simply because i subscribe to mog and stream/download music often... and even so, haven't ever hit 5gigs on my phone in a month.
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I will try to break it down Crayola style...
What this does is removes any sort of throttle that VzDubya puts. Yes our phones have "unlimited" data on them BUT if you go over 5G in a month they limit your throughput to lets say 300kbps.
Another situation is that in some areas of congestion they will put blanket throttles to an area rather then a specific device. This is done to ensure there is little network degradation. This is why during rush hour you can only do 600kbps when at 2am it will go to 1.6Mbps with no real changes but the time of day.
This makes it so you wont be effected by said situations. So if you're in an area where this is not done or you dont use over 5G in a month this wont have any effect on your phone.
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What's there to lose? Avoiding any kind of throttling? I've done this on my phone, if nothing else but to stick it to the MAN.
I agree. Nothing to loose from doing it. Also if you travel (and that I do a lot of) and happen to go to an area where the blanket throttle is implemented then you (and all the other xda junkies!) will not even notice!
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Ive never even heard of a data cap... im a verizon rep and the only thing I do know about is that if your monthly data hits 5 gigs + that your account is notated, because its nearly impossible to hit 5g a month on a cellphone unless your rooted and using it illegally as a free wireless hotspot and running your whole house off of it
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I call bull**** on this. You DO NOT have to be rooted to tether. They sell PDAnet in the market.
Try again..
LexusBrian400 said:
I call bull**** on this. You DO NOT have to be rooted to tether. They sell PDAnet in the market.
Try again..
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You can go over without tethering. This its a modification to system files. You do have to be rooted to do that. All people are saying is that verizon throttles data speeds, especially for heavy users. Your data still works, out is just much slower.
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You can go over without tethering. This its a modification to system files. You do have to be rooted to do that. All people are saying is that verizon throttles data speeds, especially for heavy users. Your data still works, out is just much slower.
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I dont think u read what I quoted. he said you had to be rooted to tether. All I was saying is thats not true. PDAnet in the market allows you to tether.. no root needed. I wasnt talking about this hack.
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I dont think u read what I quoted. he said you had to be rooted to tether. All I was saying is thats not true. PDAnet in the market allows you to tether.. no root needed. I wasnt talking about this hack.
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Ah...after reading his post again he obviously doesn't know much about data. I can go way over 5gig because I download directly to my phone a lot and watch videos. In my home we go over 50 gig for the same reason. Netflix uses a crap ton of bandwidth. Maybe he needs to learn about data. Verizon actually has more data capacity with there fiber network than any other data provider, wireless our otherwise.
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If you guys are done bickering I'll get back on topic and post the services.jar file I pulled from my X and modified following the original post from Bthomas22x. Boot into recovery and apply ServicesUnthrottled.zip.
Note #1 - I am not responsible for anything happening to you phone.
Note #2 - My services.jar has a WHITE clock because I have a black status bar. If you have a BLACK clock you need to do it the manual way.
Note #3 - It took my X a little while to boot up so don't freak out if it's at the boot logo for a while.
this ok to be installed on any rom?
Didn't cause issues with gummyjar.
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I think the only prerequisite is you need to be de-odexed. Tried it with the odex files in place and sat at the M for about 20 min. Flashed recovery and manual deoexed and booted after about 5 min. Running otherwise stock 2.2.1...
Going to wait till tomorrow and flash between recoveries to see any noticeable difference.
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I was wondering if t mobile offer more then that 5k cap cuz I have unlimited and we all know its pretty ****ty when you go over it uggggg soooo slowwwee. I go over it with out even teathering lol but ya if anyone know let me know.
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You go over without tethering??? I thought the internet on the phone was setup to use smaller bandwith so we dont go over wow
There was one individual in G2 forums who *supposedly* was throttled and all he had to do is reboot the phone (or switch to edge and back to 3G) to get his speeds back. This was a while ago and I couldn't find the thread at this point but it may work, at least temporary. I never go over so I dont have a way to test it
Good luck.
there is no way to un-cap/throttle yourself when you hit the 5GB limit .. if you have hit it in the middle of the cycle then you are doomed to dial up like speeds for the rest of the cycle.
turning off the phone will not do it and neither will changing the network type cuz you are bound by the computer system that is tied to your number/sim in your account.
and yes the phones are set for mobile view by default which uses about a 3rd less data than full desktop view. So if you took that off or are changing to desktop view then you will use a lot of data for nothing.
if you hit your 5GB limit on the phone and not thru tethering ... you need to lay down the phone every once in awhile.... it'll be good for ya .. promise.
Downloading videos directly to your phone will eat up tons of data. Even if you download on wifi it still uses up your data. After you reach that 5GB plateau you can still use wifi but before you reach that 5GB plateau all wifi DL goes towards your overall data usage. The only way to put videos on your hone is thru your computer. Download on your computer and then hook up your phone to computer and put them directly on your SD Card.
This is obvious to probably everyone here but many think because you are using wifi it doesn't count on usable data. It does. I was throttled because of just that.
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Downloading videos directly to your phone will eat up tons of data. Even if you download on wifi it still uses up your data. After you reach that 5GB plateau you can still use wifi but before you reach that 5GB plateau all wifi DL goes towards your overall data usage. The only way to put videos on your hone is thru your computer. Download on your computer and then hook up your phone to computer and put them directly on your SD Card.
This is obvious to probably everyone here but many think because you are using wifi it doesn't count on usable data. It does. I was throttled because of just that.
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How is it possible for it to count against ya when on wifi? You're not even on TMO's network. I use wifi whenever I am home it doesn't show up at all when I check my account through the website. The CSRs even recommend using wifi when ever possible so you don't go over and get throttled
Ive gone over 5gb in the first 2 days of my billing cycle and have gone up to 30+ gb. Yes I tether. And I still get 3-5mbps dl. Speed test confirmed it and I have no noticeable slowed speed. So I don't believe they slow everyone down. They did optimize the phone to use slower bandwidth but if you watch movies or download them, they eat away at your data
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Browsing or downloading over wireless does not go towards your 5gig cap.
I was just throttled due to going over the limit. I downloaded youtube videos over my RCN wifi connection and it counted against my data consumption. I called into T-Mobile and was told by 2 different people there that data still goes thru the device so it will still count towards usable data. I argued your point forever and they kept telling me just the opposite. I'm going to have to do some testing now.
You guys are correct, wifi does not count on your billable data. I knew that was correct but I was told by two different tech people just the opposite. I finaly went to the tethering dept of T-Mobile and spent 1 hour on the phone with him and he explained it to me without any bull **** that wifi does NOT count as billable data. Thank God. I am sorry if I confused anyone but I thought after speaking to two different tech agents that something had changed. Use your wifi for any downloading or watching anything videos. He broke it down like this,
1 minute of watching any video will use about 3 mb of data.
1 hour of audio will use about 1 mb of data.
PS - these numbers came from the tethering dept. from T-Mobile.
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Ive gone over 5gb in the first 2 days of my billing cycle and have gone up to 30+ gb. Yes I tether. And I still get 3-5mbps dl. Speed test confirmed it and I have no noticeable slowed speed. So I don't believe they slow everyone down. They did optimize the phone to use slower bandwidth but if you watch movies or download them, they eat away at your data
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I thought me hitting 10gbs per billing cycle was bad. I have been throttled down once, and it only lasted a day. My speed was consistently under 100kbps.
There is a thread at G2 forum about it and I did his method on my Mytouch 4g and it seems that the internet speed is still being throttled after.
What I did:
1) I install update-Ice-Glacier-v1.1.1-Themed_signed
2) I turn on data roaming and download Phone info and set to WDCMA only
3) I modify the service.jar successfully and install it into my phone
I get a nice 6Mbits/sec a few minutes but afterwards the speed goes down to 0.02Mbits/sec again.
Anyone has an idea how to defeat throttling for this phone?
I think this belongs in the Q&A forum, but I don't think there is anyway around it. From what I understand, they control it on their end. As a person that goes well beyond the 5GB cap per month, they seem to throttle you down for a day then things return back to normal speeds. Others have reported that this has happened to them as well.
If there is something we could do on our end that would be great, but T-Mobile does reserve the right to terminate our data plans if we constantly violate the terms and conditions. There was one person who regularly hits around 30GB a month. If they do cancel data plans, I bet he'd be the first to know.
Aside from going into tmobile corporate and changing it, theres nothing any rom changes are going to do unless you can change your phone number, IMEI numbers.......
If it could be done, it would have been. And they are enforcing it more now with the added tethering plans. 5gb on a phone is a lot, if your using it for tethering, then they have the right to charge you more to keep the network open for others
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Aside from going into tmobile corporate and changing it, theres nothing any rom changes are going to do unless you can change your phone number, IMEI numbers.......
If it could be done, it would have been. And they are enforcing it more now with the added tethering plans. 5gb on a phone is a lot, if your using it for tethering, then they have the right to charge you more to keep the network open for others
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Even if you pay for tethering it's still cheaper than home internet, and once HSPA+ is fully rolled out it might even be faster to boot!
If you pay for tethering, will it be truly unlimited?
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If you pay for tethering, will it be truly unlimited?
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Nothing is truly unlimited. If you consume to many resources in which it effects others you could be limited.
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Nothing is truly unlimited. If you consume to many resources in which it effects others you could be limited.
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I suppose I should be more clear. My question is does the 5GB cap/throttle down apply to those who pay for tethering?
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I suppose I should be more clear. My question is does the 5GB cap/throttle down apply to those who pay for tethering?
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Yes, it applies to every TMobile's data plans
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I suppose I should be more clear. My question is does the 5GB cap/throttle down apply to those who pay for tethering?
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YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Q&A Please!!!!!!!!!!!
skyungjae said:
I suppose I should be more clear. My question is does the 5GB cap/throttle down apply to those who pay for tethering?
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Yes, it applies to every TMobile's data plans
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I'm not sure this is true, otherwise what would be the point of paying for the plan?
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I'm not sure this is true, otherwise what would be the point of paying for the plan?
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Because since they have the different data plans now like 250mb etc..., the tehtering is just an added choice.
But yes, on all "unlimited" plans there is a 5gb cap, and then its their choice by your area and usage to throttle you or not.
I have actually gotten up to 250gb before the tiered plans came out before I was throttled. I was in an area that didnt have internet access and had to tether my pc and Ps3. Was interesting to explain in store why my use was so high lol
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Because since they have the different data plans now like 250mb etc..., the tehtering is just an added choice.
But yes, on all "unlimited" plans there is a 5gb cap, and then its their choice by your area and usage to throttle you or not.
I have actually gotten up to 250gb before the tiered plans came out before I was throttled. I was in an area that didnt have internet access and had to tether my pc and Ps3. Was interesting to explain in store why my use was so high lol
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and I thought 30GB's a month was high.
skyungjae said:
and I thought 30GB's a month was high.
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lol.. I was even told I wasnt the worst.
Please post questions in Q&A section.
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lol.. I was even told I wasnt the worst.
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HA!
I guess the "tethering plan" only applies if you're using one of T-mobile's tethering apps, but I don't know why any of us would do that. All you need is PDANet and then they can't tell the difference between data usage and "data usage."
Even the stock android usb tether is available. I fail to understand what exactly we are paying for, if not a higher cap.
Anybody cares to share his Kung Fu to disable throttling on this phone please
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If you pay for tethering, will it be truly unlimited?
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Nope still the same cap 5gb even if you pay for tmo tv as well easytether and pdanet arte not identified by tmobile your ua string is.
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Mrdaviso said:
Nope still the same cap 5gb even if you pay for tmo tv as well easytether and pdanet arte not identified by tmobile your ua string is.
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what's a ua string?
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what's a ua string?
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Check out my thread on this....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=845225
Here's a walk through I also did.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=9306107&postcount=17
i dont really see how you guys are having issues, i go over 5GB's (by quite a bit some months) at least 10 months outta the year, even with my blackberry (a while ago)... in the last 9 years with T-Mo (had smartphones+data for 5 of those years) i have gotted 2 txt's that i would be throttled (and then it never even happened) and thats IT!... maybe because they can tell ive been with T-mo even longer than DTK (deutche telekom), when i signed up it was voicestream and powertel... or maybe because i have so many phones (3 dealer lines, 1 data line + 4 full retail price lines in Family plan)
now i get HSPA+ at home (not that that matters too much with a 30/10 pipe) and my data usage has been higher, ive been using my phone to stream HD movies and TV from the house to wherever the hell i happen to be (watch movies and tv at work???? nawwww, why would i do that?)
So, Sprint called me today to inform me that they are dropping my service because of excessive data roaming. They are not charging me an ETF and they are giving my 250$ deposit back. I am not upset about that, I am upset about not being able to use my Evo and the community that comes with it. I will miss the HTC XDA community if I have to go to Motorola or LG or SE.
My only choice when it comes to coverage is Verizon. The only phone that seems to be on the horizon is the Bionic that comes with LTE. I don't want the Droid X or Droid 2 because LTE is about to launch and would enjoy to have it, along with that sweet sweet dual core. Bionic seems to be the best bet, but I remember hearing something LG dropping a phone soon too.
My main question is, what Android phones are coming out this year with LTE and dual core? I don't mind being without phone service for a few months waiting.
wow, may I ask what your excessive data usage amounted to?
elegantai said:
wow, may I ask what your excessive data usage amounted to?
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Of course.
It wasn't really excessive it was just that the majority of it was roaming. I only get Verizon coverage at work where I use my phone the most (when it comes to data, have WiFi at home) so I used the PRL hack to be on it all the time. I heard about them being upset about this and I was expecting at least a warning but they are straight up dropping my service.
My average data usage was 4 to 5GB on roaming with around 300-400mb on Sprint for the past 4-5 months.
Noob question...how do you know you are recieving roaming data? I have been complaining about horrible data speeds and told them i want to cancle with no fee. They said they basically base that off of calls dropped.and not data. I uae my phone minimal for calling but data is another story and it is horribly slow.
Verizon has a HTC android coming out soon, it's suppose to be a really good one. Sorry I cannot remember the name of it, but when I get a chance I will post it back in here with a link for you. Sorry to hear about Sprint. Did you use the data hack by any chance?(sorry, posted above) If so that's why I never jumped on board with that. Good luck, hopefully you'll still be here on XDA.
http://www.htc.com/us/products/thunderbolt-verizon Here you go.....HTC Thunderbolt
Doesn't the Unlimited Plan include free roaming?? Where is there verbiage about "excessive roaming"??
that sucks. Unlike some ISP's for land lines which come to agreements so each can freely use the others networks, I don't think any wireless providers do anything of the sorts. While its ****ty they didnt give you a warning, i'm sure they were probably paying up the ass to verizon.
Well, best of luck to you!
Advice: search around here and see the threads on how to use your EVO on Boost Mobile.
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Noob question...how do you know you are recieving roaming data? I have been complaining about horrible data speeds and told them i want to cancle with no fee. They said they basically base that off of calls dropped.and not data. I uae my phone minimal for calling but data is another story and it is horribly slow.
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If you go to the Sprint website and look at your usage. There will be a roaming section in the data usage there.
SilverStone641 said:
Doesn't the Unlimited Plan include free roaming?? Where is there verbiage about "excessive roaming"??
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It's there....in the fine print.
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It's there....in the fine print.
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Yeah the fine print. if you go read the official data usage section it states that no more than 300mb may be used per month. Hints why 4-5gb got your service dropped instantly. You just let Verizon run over sprint then reverse and run them over with that bill they had to pay.
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Yeah the fine print. if you go read the official data usage section it states that no more than 300mb may be used per month. Hints why 4-5gb got your service dropped instantly. You just let Verizon run over sprint then reverse and run them over with that bill they had to pay.
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Actually the 300MB is for data cards. There is no roaming limit. They will cancel you if the majority of your usage is roaming and towers over Sprints.
I'll keep my eye on the Bionic and the Thunderbolt. Hopefully Motorola will work with the community and not have locked bootloaders.
Correct the roaming is for minute usage not data. People get kicked for the talk not data. Data roaming booting applies to data cards as well not phones but you will be charged overages on phone data roaming.
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Just occurred to me that if I want a quick exit from my Sprint contract sans ETF, maybe I should flash a VZW PRL and start hitting the 3g network hard.
ZachPA said:
Just occurred to me that if I want a quick exit from my Sprint contract sans ETF, maybe I should flash a VZW PRL and start hitting the 3g network hard.
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Pretty much what happened to me after a few months.
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Correct the roaming is for minute usage not data. People get kicked for the talk not data. Data roaming booting applies to data cards as well not phones but you will be charged overages on phone data roaming.
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That is not correct. I am being dropped for data roaming on my Evo. No charges or anything are being applied to it.
There is somewhat if a simple solution. Tell them you roam mostly at home and they will send you a free airave (you have to push to get it for free). Basically it is a small sprint tower that goes thru your local ISP. Ooonce powered up, about two hours) it works flawless.
Best of luck
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That is not correct. I am being dropped for data roaming on my Evo. No charges or anything are being applied to it.
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Well, DS works for sprint. Maybe you should PM him your number so he can fix those missing data roaming charges.
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Doesn't the Unlimited Plan include free roaming?? Where is there verbiage about "excessive roaming"??
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If you log into your Sprint account and look under your plan details it says 500 mb of roaming data.
The EVO you wish you had
They say that there is such things that are "unlimited", but it's not really. They just set a cap so high that they believe no one will hit. Altell used to do this with their messaging plans.
It's kind of crappy that they're doing this to you, but I would avoid any Moto product unless the C-mod gets ported to it quickly. Motorola phones from what I've seen and used of them, are terrible. Moto Blur sucks, and build quality isn't bad but they have awkward builds. Decent battery life in them, and decent support for their high end devices. But that's about it.
I've seen the other similar threads but I couldn't find anywhere, anyone who has asked these questions specifically:
Sprint recently added a 5GB data cap to their "tethering" services that comes with the Sprint Hotspot. I understand that "handset" data however, is still to remain unlimited...
1.) So when using the Wifi tethering app from the market, which data does it use on Sprint's network? Tethering, or handset?
2.) If you're using Sprint's hotspot app - the hacked/modded versions devs have been making- which does it use?
3.) And finally, if you have a rom like SRF1.2 that bypasses proxies and does other network tweaks, which does it use with them?
My phones are below if you need to know what I'm running.
ArchangelRenzoku said:
I've seen the other similar threads but I couldn't find anywhere, anyone who has asked these questions specifically:
Sprint recently added a 5GB data cap to their "tethering" services that comes with the Sprint Hotspot. I understand that "handset" data however, is still to remain unlimited...
1.) So when using the Wifi tethering app from the market, which data does it use on Sprint's network? Tethering, or handset?
2.) If you're using Sprint's hotspot app - the hacked/modded versions devs have been making- which does it use?
3.) And finally, if you have a rom like SRF1.2 that bypasses proxies and does other network tweaks, which does it use with them?
My phones are below if you need to know what I'm running.
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your using handset data which is unlimited and this only works if you are rooted and have wifi tether enabled,
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your using handset data which is unlimited and this only works if you are rooted and have wifi tether enabled,
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Okay good, that is my setup.
Short of torrenting pirated movies or other bandwidth-heavy activities, I don't have to worry about getting a nasty letter from them about using too much traffic then?
I normally just stream Netflix all day, check for updates on SRF1.3, and check G+ 3 or 4 times daily.
They all use the same data. Sprint just doesn't believe that a phone by itself will ever reach the 5 gb mark, and for the most part, they're right. Normal use of a phone should fall well below that mark, although video streaming could push it...
But try downloading 6 gigs on your phone each month, legitimately exceeding the 5 gig threshold without violating the new terms of service (in other words, without using any form of tethering), and I'd be willing to bet that your speed will still be throttled. You may even receive a letter about a violation, or about purchasing theory tethering plan. (Paying for their tethering doesn't count for this experiment, since it has already been established that that plan does get throttled, and it involves supplying a data connection to a device other than your phone)
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They all use the same data. Sprint just doesn't believe that a phone by itself will ever reach the 5 gb mark, and for the most part, they're right. Normal use of a phone should fall well below that mark, although video streaming could push it...
But try downloading 6 gigs on your phone each month, legitimately exceeding the 5 gig threshold without violating the new terms of service (in other words, without using any form of tethering), and I'd be willing to bet that your speed will still be throttled. You may even receive a letter about a violation, or about purchasing theory tethering plan. (Paying for their tethering doesn't count for this experiment, since it has already been established that that plan does get throttled, and it involves supplying a data connection to a device other than your phone)
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But I thought Sprint was the only provider that doesn't have a fair-usage policy limiting users to 5GB a month. They are truly unlimited... (insert question mark here?)
styles420 said:
They all use the same data. Sprint just doesn't believe that a phone by itself will ever reach the 5 gb mark, and for the most part, they're right. Normal use of a phone should fall well below that mark, although video streaming could push it...
But try downloading 6 gigs on your phone each month, legitimately exceeding the 5 gig threshold without violating the new terms of service (in other words, without using any form of tethering), and I'd be willing to bet that your speed will still be throttled. You may even receive a letter about a violation, or about purchasing theory tethering plan. (Paying for their tethering doesn't count for this experiment, since it has already been established that that plan does get throttled, and it involves supplying a data connection to a device other than your phone)
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hmmm interesting,,
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I use on average of 11 million Kbs of service each month for the past almost 2 years and I have yet to recieve any such letter,,,
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...that f**king shut me up...
As long as you arent abusing tethering like downloading huge torrents and using it as your main internet on 3g, you should be fine... i mean i know tons of people that posted in other threads that always go over the 5gb limit and sprint doesnt throttle or charge u.. just dont use it for torrents or online gaming via ps3 or xbox.
You should be fine if you do go over
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As long as you arent abusing tethering like downloading huge torrents and using it as your main internet on 3g, you should be fine... i mean i know tons of people that posted in other threads that always go over the 5gb limit and sprint doesnt throttle or charge u.. just dont use it for torrents or online gaming via ps3 or xbox.
You should be fine if you do go over
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Hopefully it stays that way - they *just* changed the terms of service within the past month, so only time will tell.
If you pay for their tethering package, then the app checks in with their network when you start it (this was the part that needed to be hacked to get the native hotspot working for free, essentially) - that would be the only way Sprint would know which data is used for tethering, and it could end up being inflated by any data use on your phone while the tether app is running (unless the app actually reports when data is being pulled for a connected device instead of the phone - but that's more bandwidth wasted...)
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I really don't think Sprint cares. I had no home internet for about 2 weeks recently, so I used the tethering hack. During tha time I torrented over 30 GB of tv over 4g and never got a warning or throttling.
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I had been reading from the sprint website about their unlimited plans and sprint's customer support responses to people. The results are promising, for now.
They basically said as long as network usage remains balanced between light and heavy users, everything will remain unlimited forever. (We obviously know forever means 1 or 2 years at the rate people are jumping over to the unlimited bandwagon).
Even with the iPhone users coming over, they say it's going to remain unlimited as long as not EVERYONE is being a heavy user. If everyone becomes heavy, the CEO said they will think about tackling a different approach to tiered-usage once that boat comes along, but I guess we're all okay for now.
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I've seen the other similar threads but I couldn't find anywhere, anyone who has asked these questions specifically:
Sprint recently added a 5GB data cap to their "tethering" services that comes with the Sprint Hotspot. I understand that "handset" data however, is still to remain unlimited...
1.) So when using the Wifi tethering app from the market, which data does it use on Sprint's network? Tethering, or handset?
2.) If you're using Sprint's hotspot app - the hacked/modded versions devs have been making- which does it use?
3.) And finally, if you have a rom like SRF1.2 that bypasses proxies and does other network tweaks, which does it use with them?
My phones are below if you need to know what I'm running.
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I dont really know but i think that it just uses android's driver and permission from SU (superuser) to form itself into a wifi hotspot. For number two, if you hack you're phone, you're still going to pay for SPRINT hotspot app. However, wifi hotspot(from market) is free. I don't know number 3.. sorry :/
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I dont really know but i think that it just uses android's driver and permission from SU (superuser) to form itself into a wifi hotspot. For number two, if you hack you're phone, you're still going to pay for SPRINT hotspot app. However, wifi hotspot(from market) is free. I don't know number 3.. sorry :/
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False. I don't pay them $30/month and I use the hacked version of the hotspot app albeit not very much. That's the whole point of hacking it, so you don't have to pay the extra $30/month.
dtugg said:
False. I don't pay them $30/month and I use the hacked version of the hotspot app albeit not very much. That's the whole point of hacking it, so you don't have to pay the extra $30/month.
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Seriously, thanks for being the voice of reason here - that guy must have forgotten to toggle basic logic back on before engaging the typing mechanism
"We hacked the native hotspot app - now, it functions EXACTLY the same way as it did before we hacked it... don't forget to hit that THANKS button!"
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I'm glad you guys answered before I did. My answer would have been petty hurtful because that reply was not helpful whatsoever.
If you don't know, guessing doesn't contribute unless the post has to do with theory!
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didnt' really want to start a new thread.... i'm on SRF 1.2 with the fixed tether. for a couple of months i had no internet in the house so i was tethering without any issue off of 4g. got my internet back up at home and stopped using it. today i tried to go on with 4g and i could only go to google.com. turned off 4g and can surf on 3g on my laptop without issue. anyone know what's going on?
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didnt' really want to start a new thread.... i'm on SRF 1.2 with the fixed tether. for a couple of months i had no internet in the house so i was tethering without any issue off of 4g. got my internet back up at home and stopped using it. today i tried to go on with 4g and i could only go to google.com. turned off 4g and can surf on 3g on my laptop without issue. anyone know what's going on?
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In the future, starting a new thread instead of hijacking mine is suggested... but I'm feeling generous before I go to bed the A.M.
You simply don't start 4G until after your device is connected via wifi on 3G.
*Start wifi tether
*connect device
*Turn on 4G
In that order and it should work fine.
Try that and report your results please.
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In the future, starting a new thread instead of hijacking mine is suggested... but I'm feeling generous before I go to bed the A.M.
You simply don't start 4G until after your device is connected via wifi on 3G.
*Start wifi tether
*connect device
*Turn on 4G
In that order and it should work fine.
Try that and report your results please.
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unfortunatly that didnt' work. wonder if it has anything to do with my location. going to have to try it again when i get back home and see if that makes a difference. thanks for letting me thread jack
murso74 said:
unfortunatly that didnt' work. wonder if it has anything to do with my location. going to have to try it again when i get back home and see if that makes a difference. thanks for letting me thread jack
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Hmmm, sorry that didn't work. Please let me know your findings then so I have another solution to add for future peeps with such an issue.
I've been tethering for a while now with my phone and I noticed that lately it seems like my internet stops working after a while. Sometimes it will let me download as much as 2GBs then it starts kicking me off minutes after I begin tethering.
Is Sprint able to see if I'm tethering now? I don't care to much either way I'm fine using my phone to download the things I need. It's just sometimes my downloads fail after reaching 100% so I like to use my PC more.
I have noticed that I've used 50GB this month .
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I've been tethering for a while now with my phone and I noticed that lately it seems like my internet stops working after a while. Sometimes it will let me download as much as 2GBs then it starts kicking me off minutes after I begin tethering.
Is Sprint able to see if I'm tethering now? I don't care to much either way I'm fine using my phone to download the things I need. It's just sometimes my downloads fail after reaching 100% so I like to use my PC more.
I have noticed that I've used 50GB this month .
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So its because of people like you I get slow connections whenever I try to open any website on my phone if I can't use a wifi.
Ever heard of cable internet?
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obsanity said:
So its because of people like you I get slow connections whenever I try to open any website on my phone if I can't use a wifi.
Ever heard of cable internet?
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That's BS. Don't throw claims around no one knows are true. I tether and the other sprint 4g phones in my household don't take a hit in bandwidth. The amount of people that tether alot or a small minority compared to people that don't. Blame sprint for not giving you a good connection, not us. Anywho, back to this torrent...
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Sprint told me to root my phone and tether.
I don't think they check.
RushAOZ said:
That's BS. Don't throw claims around no one knows are true. I tether and the other sprint 4g phones in my household don't take a hit in bandwidth. The amount of people that tether alot or a small minority compared to people that don't. Blame sprint for not giving you a good connection, not us. Anywho, back to this torrent...
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actualy they can tell and torrent downloaders are so easy spot, and im pretty sure torrent downloading might be in the fine print somewhere.
Oh also your so cool bro replacing home internet with sprints weak 3g/4g service that does not have any net neatrilty laws lol you will be gone sooner or later
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I read recently sprint was pulling tethering apps from the market so they may be trying to weed out some in addition the recent 5GB cap on hotspot, i'm sure they are fine tuning their system to track data in different manners. Currently they cant even separate hotspot and phone data, that should serve interesting to how they implement overages.
Yeah. Eventually when all the unlimited plans are gone at least we'll know why.
Also, sprint can tell your tethering, they're just not actively doing anything about it yet. After all when you are on 3G or 4G you go through their IP gateway and they can control what you see and can tell what you're using to see it. The only way to prevent that would be through vpn and maybe some https but headers still have to go through clean.
P2P is probably the easiest to detect even if encrypted so good luck trying to get your number back after they close your account.
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True, i would hope the systems are able to track it with all the tracking a smartphone is capable of especially just knowing the browser type they should be able to see who's tethering. I'm really curious to see how this plays out over the next year or two with data usage.
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That's BS. Don't throw claims around no one knows are true. I tether and the other sprint 4g phones in my household don't take a hit in bandwidth. The amount of people that tether alot or a small minority compared to people that don't. Blame sprint for not giving you a good connection, not us. Anywho, back to this torrent...
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No definitely you guys
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searchfirst said:
I read recently sprint was pulling tethering apps from the market so they may be trying to weed out some in addition the recent 5GB cap on hotspot, i'm sure they are fine tuning their system to track data in different manners. Currently they cant even separate hotspot and phone data, that should serve interesting to how they implement overages.
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Actually they can
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Don't believe anyone who says they cannot tell if your tethering. All they have to do is check what the source and destination mac address using a program such as wireshark to sniff the IP of your phone.
Also don't believe anyone who says your phone is affecting their bandwidth. Bandwidth depends on signal strength and how much bandwidth they are using on their 3g 4g frequencies they use. Its different everywhere for every tower and has to do with the type of license they were able to obtain from the fcc for the tower you are using.
As far as your question regarding sprint killing your downloads, you would need to find a way to sniff you phone's 3g/4g connection to find out whats killing the packets. i would guess that its probably an issue with the connection(s) timing out for high ping times. i don't know if there is a way to manually adjust the ttl in android.
obsanity said:
So its because of people like you I get slow connections whenever I try to open any website on my phone if I can't use a wifi.
Ever heard of cable internet?
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Guess what jackass not everyone has cable availability. I live in the county and I don't have cable, or DSL available. In fact as of this year I can no longer get a phone line to my home. The only options some of us have are satellite internet or tethering.
They may be able to on a backend but sprint.com and their billing system doesn't show the difference. Currently if you call sprint and ask for your hotspots usage they cannot provide an answer.
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Don't believe anyone who says they cannot tell if your tethering. All they have to do is check what the source and destination mac address using a program such as wireshark to sniff the IP of your phone.
Also don't believe anyone who says your phone is affecting their bandwidth. Bandwidth depends on signal strength and how much bandwidth they are using on their 3g 4g frequencies they use. Its different everywhere for every tower and has to do with the type of license they were able to obtain from the fcc for the tower you are using.
As far as your question regarding sprint killing your downloads, you would need to find a way to sniff you phone's 3g/4g connection to find out whats killing the packets. i would guess that its probably an issue with the connection(s) timing out for high ping times. i don't know if there is a way to manually adjust the ttl in android.
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Yes but torenting is easy to spot due the way it downloads parts of bytes from different spots
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Windst said:
Sprint told me to root my phone and tether.
I don't think they check.
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Really????
My wife hates XDA
dowmace said:
Guess what jackass not everyone has cable availability. I live in the county and I don't have cable, or DSL available. In fact as of this year I can no longer get a phone line to my home. The only options some of us have are satellite internet or tethering.
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There are means to tether when you have no options. I was pointing out the ops ignorant approach to data usage since he clearly has a different internet connection but still chooses to use the phone.
Keep your jackass to yourself.
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obsanity said:
There are means to tether when you have no options. I was pointing out the ops ignorant approach to data usage since he clearly has a different internet connection but still chooses to use the phone.
Keep your jackass to yourself.
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You blamed him for your data speeds. If he is causing low data speeds, then how do the people legitimately tethering not effect your speeds?
obsanity said:
There are means to tether when you have no options. I was pointing out the ops ignorant approach to data usage since he clearly has a different internet connection but still chooses to use the phone.
Keep your jackass to yourself.
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I never said I have another internet connection. I said I could simply just download the files with my phone. I preferred to use my PC instead because I can avoid having to transfer files.
Thanks for the help everyone.
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You blamed him for your data speeds. If he is causing low data speeds, then how do the people legitimately tethering not effect your speeds?
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Sprint would accommodate for that. But because people abuse the otherwise would be fair use type of tether system, soon people such as yourself, who can't have any other access will be either limited to a ridiculous 5GB per month or not have the ability at all.
For people like myself who ocasonally use tether without tether plan (because of root access) to check some emails/web when stranded without wifi access, Sprint may disable that all together and we'll be forced to pay the $30 per month fee for the 1 or 2 times a year of 100-200MB of data used.
That's why I can't stand people abusing it. And for the op... if you truly do not have any other means of getting a wired data line, I hope you are at least paying for it even though it may no longer be unlimited.
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obsanity said:
Sprint would accommodate for that. But because people abuse the otherwise would be fair use type of tether system, soon people such as yourself, who can't have any other access will be either limited to a ridiculous 5GB per month or not have the ability at all.
For people like myself who ocasonally use tether without tether plan (because of root access) to check some emails/web when stranded without wifi access, Sprint may disable that all together and we'll be forced to pay the $30 per month fee for the 1 or 2 times a year of 100-200MB of data used.
That's why I can't stand people abusing it. And for the op... if you truly do not have any other means of getting a wired data line, I hope you are at least paying for it even though it may no longer be unlimited.
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Obsanity, Were I can definitely understand your frustration with sprints slow network (I feel the same way), Sprint advertises unlimited data on smartphones. regardless of him paying for tethering (which he should pay for), data is data, and its all 1's and 0's and therefor is a mute point. People that tether without paying for it are not cause of slow data, however they will be the cause of tiered data plans. Until that happens chill out and relax. If you have a signal , -60db or better, then call sprint and have them take a look at the tower. if they insist its your phone, have them replace it. if they won't look at the tower, thank them for their time and file a complaint with the fcc.