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Sprint 3g 'unlimited' data cap 6.4gb not 5gb?

I think sprint's unlimited is at 6.4gb, not 5gb. If you go to sprint 'plan optimizer' and look at the top the line for unlimited is at 6400000kb.
https://manage.sprintpcs.com/Manage/myportal/MyUSC/PhoneAndPlanDetails/PlanOptimizer (don't know if that will take you there or not, sorry if it doesn't work)

Why do they say unlimited when unlimited is a finite number which can EASILY be hit?

jigglywiggly said:
Why do they say unlimited when unlimited is a finite number which can EASILY be hit?
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not wanting to start a "BUT I PAID FOR UNLIMITED" thread, just seeing if i'm getting confused or we really do have 1.4gb extra.

unlimited
when i called in and asked about my unlimited data i was told "there is no cap". i asked a supervisor even with the same reply. im on the family 1500 anything anytime plan

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I've easily used 6.4 gbs already and haven't been capped yet

If you have the EVO and are paying the $10 data charge, you get unlimited 3g and 4g.

davidboyd said:
If you have the EVO and are paying the $10 data charge, you get unlimited 3g and 4g.
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So, time to torrent the Internet?

jigglywiggly said:
So, time to torrent the Internet?
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Doing it on 4G?

mrono said:
I think sprint's unlimited is at 6.4gb, not 5gb. If you go to sprint 'plan optimizer' and look at the top the line for unlimited is at 6400000kb.
https://manage.sprintpcs.com/Manage/myportal/MyUSC/PhoneAndPlanDetails/PlanOptimizer (don't know if that will take you there or not, sorry if it doesn't work)
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I'm 99% sure that the number is just there to give a top limit to the graph, not an actual representation of your "cap". If the top of the graph *were* unlimited...you would never get a graph as the line would be infinitely small at the bottom no matter how much data you used. Mine shows much less because I'm using less and to show it, it picks a number not too far off.
I'll bet you could use more and the top of the graph would increase.

Basically, yes, you have unlimited transfers on the Sprint network. You've pretty much always had no cap on any Sprint phone.
But yes, Sprint has the power to cut you off and/or limit your connection speeds if you go absolutely nuts with your bandwith.
So go crazy with your music listening. Torrenting however while tethered to a PC? That'll get you in trouble.

BobFromAccounting said:
Basically, yes, you have unlimited transfers on the Sprint network. You've pretty much always had no cap on any Sprint phone.
But yes, Sprint has the power to cut you off and/or limit your connection speeds if you go absolutely nuts with your bandwith.
So go crazy with your music listening. Torrenting however while tethered to a PC? That'll get you in trouble.
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This guy torrents regularly while technically (kinda) roaming.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=696073

I'll just chime in and say that I am 99.99999% sure that there is no cap. I've had the 1500 family everything plan for quite a while and I use data like a MOFO, including tethering for my netbook... never seen anything about it in my bill. If there's a cap, who cares, cause I can't reach it anyway! LOL

Yep... data to the phone itself is 100% unlimited - unless it becomes detrimental to the network. But actual usage totals don't matter. The 5GB cap only affects modem cards, WiFi connect devices and phone as modem users.

everyone seems to agree, it's truly unlimited if you're paying the $10/mo charge that you had to agree to to get the evo. you can fully saturate your 3g/4g connection 24/7 all month and not be charged.
remember, "unlimited" will always be a finite amount in that there is only so much data that can be transmitted over a given connection speed within a set timeframe.

Tmobile to charge for Tethering?

Over at AndroidCentral they said you can no longer tether for free if u do it will cause u 14.99 a month? Is this legit? PDA Net is now rendered useless? Anyone shed some light on this?
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Although we already knew that a new plan for customers that want to Tether was coming soon and then yesteday, confirmed for November 3rd, the folks over at BGR have recieved details on the new tethering plan. T-Mobile will officially offer the $14.99 /MonthTethering and WiFi-Sharing Add-On beginning November 3rd. The plan will allow subscribers to use their smartphones as a tethered modem or Wi-Fi hotspot. To qualify for the $14.99 Tethering add-on, you will need to have a 3G/HSPA+ capable handset in addition to an unlimited web plan of $19.95 or higher. The tethering plan also counts towards your 5GB data cap. So that means once you’ve used 5GB of data, your speeds will be throttled. The plan will be available for Postpaid and Flex Pay Customers.
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Source: http://www.buzzbox.com/preview/t-mobile-launching-14-99-tethering-plan-november-3rd/?id=11345568
To the OP, it's still unlimited data. You'll get dropped to Edge when you pass your 5gig softcap on a data plan. If you pay extra for tethering you'll be added an additional 5gigs. Thus bringing the softcap to 10gigs.
What I'm wondering is what's going to happen to everyone that was grandfathered in with the 10gig data softcap. Do they stay with 10gig data plans or are they knocked down to 5gig softcaps. Yes, I understand it still unlimited but I'm not interested on tethering with an Edge connection.

Excuse my language but Wtf type of sh*t is that? First they don't want you to tether, then they are gonna let u tether for another 5gb and that's it???? They can suck a fat one. Btw I've already been throttled and it aint that bad so I'm pretty sure this new idea of theirs is gonna blow back in their face. If only verizon has the g2 or a htc phone with physical keyboard
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Does this mean we will be getting some kind of OTA to enable tethering?
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bigstunta101 said:
If only verizon has the g2 or a htc phone with physical keyboard
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Well, they will have their version of the G2, but then what? You'll leave T-Mobile for the Red Devil? They charge for tethering too you know?
Geez, what's the big fuss about them charging for tethering. You'll still be able to tether your connection without paying for the plan, granted it will STILL be against the terms and conditions but there's nothing stopping you from doing so.
My brother tethers his Verizon BlackBerry and he doesn't have any sort of tethering plan. I'm on T-Mobile and I tethered my BBs (when I had them) and my G1 without any issues, now I didn't go out there and stream and download this and that and make it obvious that I was using a lot of data.
If you recall T-Mobile did say that CURRENTLY tethering was not available but they were LOOKING into it because customers are interested. "Looking into it" is just their way of saying "Yeah, we're gonna support tethering but we're figuring out what to charge for it".
Bottom line, you don't like it, leave T-Mobile if you think they're screwing you. Why stress yourself out by *****ing about it?

I'm just wondering about those who are semi-rooted running the wifi tether app? How is t-mobile going to be able to distinguish this from any other data use? I use the wifi tether for root users apk on a daily basis since I got visionary, I guess I'll see on my november billing cycle whether they can tell or not.

ddgarcia05 said:
Source: http://www.buzzbox.com/preview/t-mobile-launching-14-99-tethering-plan-november-3rd/?id=11345568
To the OP, it's still unlimited data. You'll get dropped to Edge when you pass your 5gig softcap on a data plan. If you pay extra for tethering you'll be added an additional 5gigs. Thus bringing the softcap to 10gigs.
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That may be how it operates (I do not know) but that is not what the quoted article says. It says that tethering counts towards your 5GB cap.
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The tethering plan also counts towards your 5GB data cap. So that means once you’ve used 5GB of data, your speeds will be throttled.
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i.e. if you have a 5GB cap now, you will have a 5GB cap when you add tethering. I assume if you have a 10GB cap now you would have a 10GB cap when tethering.

Chuckmoney said:
I'm just wondering about those who are semi-rooted running the wifi tether app? How is t-mobile going to be able to distinguish this from any other data use? I use the wifi tether for root users apk on a daily basis since I got visionary, I guess I'll see on my november billing cycle whether they can tell or not.
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I don't think they care if you use tether or not. They probably hope you do. It's people who already tether that are mostly likely going to feel the hit. Every smartphone user pays for a data plan which is for 5gigs. What you do with those 5gigs is up to you ex. tether, torrents, xbox live, mp3 downloads, stream porn, its doesn't mater. After your 5gigs are up. Then what? Can hardcore tether users live off an Edge connection? No. Now people who have never tethered before and know nothing about root will think it's awesome. When in fact they could have been tethering long before. When you stop and see it from that angle, how many of these tmo customers who are going to get the tether package will ever hit the 5gig limit? I doubt may of them will. They probably wont even tap into their tethering plan and fall below the 5gig data plan softcap. Which means they've paid $14.99, for data they never even used.
This is assuming that tmo will see any form of data movement weather it be through tethering or receiving a MMS as data. This would tie into the whole tmo can suspect you of tethering because of a 6/8/20/100mb usage her and there. When normally I've never gone pass 500mb a month even with very lite tethering.
Or I could just be flat out wrong.

This is complete bs. Does this apply to older phones too? I'm a hardcore USB tether user on my G1. How will they even be able to tell if I'm tethering or not?

ddgarcia05 said:
Source: http://www.buzzbox.com/preview/t-mobile-launching-14-99-tethering-plan-november-3rd/?id=11345568
To the OP, it's still unlimited data. You'll get dropped to Edge when you pass your 5gig softcap on a data plan. If you pay extra for tethering you'll be added an additional 5gigs. Thus bringing the softcap to 10gigs.
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Many other sources are reporting that there's no increase in your limit. So 5gb may still apply.
http://www.tmonews.com/2010/10/t-mobile-launching-14-99-tethering-plan-november-3rd/
via... http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2010/10/26/t-mobile-to-debut-tethering-plan-on-november-3rd-14-99/
Either way, screw that - I'll never pay for tethering.

I think this was their plan the whole time? Which is most likely why the G2 is locked down the the it is. They want to charge for something that can be done for free if the phone was rooted. I wouldn't be shocked if all phones from this point on is locked up as well.

So technically, they are not allowing unlimited data, correct? I did not read through a lot of this thread, but from what I understood in the first two posts, it seems like T-Mobile is changing their contact, looks like it might be time for me to get out for free.

Good god, why are you people so upset? Tethering isn't technically allowed right now, although tons of people do it. What, are you guys going to stop tethering because T-Mobile is going to charge for an official service? Of course not. You'll use PdaNet or mobile AP and T-Mobile won't give a crap, just like always.

xKERNALx said:
So technically, they are not allowing unlimited data, correct? I did not read through a lot of this thread, but from what I understood in the first two posts, it seems like T-Mobile is changing their contact, looks like it might be time for me to get out for free.
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No, it's still unlimited data, it's just that there's a soft cap where they'll throttle you down to Edge if you go over 5GB. But the soft cap applies to all data, whether tethered or not, and always has (it used to be 10GB).

Thats pretty messed up. Yea I tether alot i wont lie but i also watch movies on the g2. As in streaming wise. And streaming video pulls almost half a meg a second. So because i stream movies and watch tv on my g2 ive gotten to over 800 mb in a night. So what, they going to charge me and think im tethering? Thatz jes straight up stupid
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hawaiian.monzta said:
Thats pretty messed up. Yea I tether alot i wont lie but i also watch movies on the g2. As in streaming wise. And streaming video pulls almost half a meg a second. So because i stream movies and watch tv on my g2 ive gotten to over 800 mb in a night. So what, they going to charge me and think im tethering? Thatz jes straight up stupid
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No... if you read around, or simply right above your post, the tether charge will be for the native app. If you go over the 5gig limit they throttle you down to edge speeds

Well since there is no 3G service where I live being bumped down to edge speeds is kind of an idle threat for me lol.
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In my own situations, whenever I want to stream or do anything data intensive, I always have wifi around anyways ie. work, school, home etc

Shambala001 said:
No... if you read around, or simply right above your post, the tether charge will be for the native app. If you go over the 5gig limit they throttle you down to edge speeds
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But how can tmobile charge tether fees and justify that someone is indeed tethering? Who is really going to pay an extra 14.99 just to have tmobile okay with tethering??
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hawaiian.monzta said:
But how can tmobile charge tether fees and justify that someone is indeed tethering? Who is really going to pay an extra 14.99 just to have tmobile okay with tethering??
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Damn. Have you read past the 2 first post? I answered both these questions on the first page. I'm not pissed I'm just wondering my post made sense.

Dell Venue Pro work on Web2Go?

Is anyone using the Dell Venue Pro here on the $10 internet plan from T-Mobile? Just wondering if it works because I hate paying $30 per month on a phone I buy without contract. Currently on the Dell Streak with the Web2Go plan.

this phone is under t mobile networks .the streak is not . it is unclear you can use this phone under t mobile. t mobile will track if you have web 2 go on your phone. Via your special imei and charge you without notice.
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lemonspeakers said:
this phone is under t mobile networks .the streak is not . it is unclear you can use this phone under t mobile. t mobile will track if you have web 2 go on your phone. Via your special imei and charge you without notice.
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He would be using the Streak unlocked on T-Mobile 2G.
http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php/1689319-Dell-Venue-Pro-with-Web2Go and other web sources suggest that, in fact, T-Mobile has only blocked web2go plans on Android phones - the HD7 has worked fine on the $10 plan, and the Venue Pro likely will too. You just need to change the APN.
As far as I can tell, T-Mobile is not using IMEI tracking... http://wiki.howardforums.com/index.php/T-Mobile_Data#T-Mobile_APNs suggests that they have just rigged certain APNs to be incompatible with Android. AT&T prepaid does the same thing with the iPhone and Blackberry APN. This is cheaper for the carrier than IMEI checking; they are lazy
I say go for it. Wish I could too - I just don't want postpaid.

awesome. i live an hour away from the microsoft store in mission viejo but it'd hate to make another trip there just to return the phone. i called yesterday and they said they would have stock early next week.

untrueparadox said:
awesome. i live an hour away from the microsoft store in mission viejo but it'd hate to make another trip there just to return the phone. i called yesterday and they said they would have stock early next week.
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The word of warning is that, even if this does work (like it has been reported to work on the HD7), you may experience 2G-like speeds despite having 3G reception. People think that maybe web2go is throttled, according to some of the forums.
Gee, I wish this kind of $10 data deal was available on prepaid.

untrueparadox said:
Is anyone using the Dell Venue Pro here on the $10 internet plan from T-Mobile? Just wondering if it works because I hate paying $30 per month on a phone I buy without contract. Currently on the Dell Streak with the Web2Go plan.
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Hi, I just get an unlocked Dell Streak can you help me how to set up a Tzone on Dell Streak? I try all day but still dont know how to do it.
Thanks,
PP

benjaminries said:
The word of warning is that, even if this does work (like it has been reported to work on the HD7), you may experience 2G-like speeds despite having 3G reception. People think that maybe web2go is throttled, according to some of the forums.
Gee, I wish this kind of $10 data deal was available on prepaid.
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woah! where did you read this information that Web2Go is throttled?
I would like to find out as well!!!

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woah! where did you read this information that Web2Go is throttled?
I would like to find out as well!!!
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I had read a slow speed report here http://www.nexusoneforum.net/forum/nexus-one-general-discussion/4131-t-mobile-web2go-3g-speed.html but now I've read a few other reports and it sounds like other people are getting full HSPA+ no problem.

benjaminries said:
The word of warning is that, even if this does work (like it has been reported to work on the HD7), you may experience 2G-like speeds despite having 3G reception. People think that maybe web2go is throttled, according to some of the forums.
Gee, I wish this kind of $10 data deal was available on prepaid.
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wrong, t-mobile does not throttle plans unless you exceed a cap. the issue you guys are talking about is with the nexus one. it doesn't hold a connection very well as evident by the varying speeds i get with it (i test in the same place).

nexus14 said:
wrong, t-mobile does not throttle plans unless you exceed a cap. the issue you guys are talking about is with the nexus one. it doesn't hold a connection very well as evident by the varying speeds i get with it (i test in the same place).
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Yeah, see the post just before yours.

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wrong, t-mobile does not throttle plans unless you exceed a cap.
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What about when you have a grandfather plan ($5) t-zones and you have unlimited data and you are using it under t-mobile nexus One 3G? Do they ever throttle your speeds even though you have unlimted? And say you've gone over 5G a month =P

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yes you did but your answer was not definite. i was attempting to say that this so-called throttled speeds is actually the inability of the nexus one to hold a stable data connection.
@lemonspeakers: i have t-zones but i have never been throttled. however, i have never exceeded the 5 gb cap either. if you do exceed it though, i know some ways to get around it but i am not sure if they work

Sprint is cancelling my service

So, Sprint called me today to inform me that they are dropping my service because of excessive data roaming. They are not charging me an ETF and they are giving my 250$ deposit back. I am not upset about that, I am upset about not being able to use my Evo and the community that comes with it. I will miss the HTC XDA community if I have to go to Motorola or LG or SE.
My only choice when it comes to coverage is Verizon. The only phone that seems to be on the horizon is the Bionic that comes with LTE. I don't want the Droid X or Droid 2 because LTE is about to launch and would enjoy to have it, along with that sweet sweet dual core. Bionic seems to be the best bet, but I remember hearing something LG dropping a phone soon too.
My main question is, what Android phones are coming out this year with LTE and dual core? I don't mind being without phone service for a few months waiting.

wow, may I ask what your excessive data usage amounted to?

elegantai said:
wow, may I ask what your excessive data usage amounted to?
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Of course.
It wasn't really excessive it was just that the majority of it was roaming. I only get Verizon coverage at work where I use my phone the most (when it comes to data, have WiFi at home) so I used the PRL hack to be on it all the time. I heard about them being upset about this and I was expecting at least a warning but they are straight up dropping my service.
My average data usage was 4 to 5GB on roaming with around 300-400mb on Sprint for the past 4-5 months.

Noob question...how do you know you are recieving roaming data? I have been complaining about horrible data speeds and told them i want to cancle with no fee. They said they basically base that off of calls dropped.and not data. I uae my phone minimal for calling but data is another story and it is horribly slow.

Verizon has a HTC android coming out soon, it's suppose to be a really good one. Sorry I cannot remember the name of it, but when I get a chance I will post it back in here with a link for you. Sorry to hear about Sprint. Did you use the data hack by any chance?(sorry, posted above) If so that's why I never jumped on board with that. Good luck, hopefully you'll still be here on XDA.
http://www.htc.com/us/products/thunderbolt-verizon Here you go.....HTC Thunderbolt

Doesn't the Unlimited Plan include free roaming?? Where is there verbiage about "excessive roaming"??

that sucks. Unlike some ISP's for land lines which come to agreements so each can freely use the others networks, I don't think any wireless providers do anything of the sorts. While its ****ty they didnt give you a warning, i'm sure they were probably paying up the ass to verizon.
Well, best of luck to you!

Advice: search around here and see the threads on how to use your EVO on Boost Mobile.

skillzo1 said:
Noob question...how do you know you are recieving roaming data? I have been complaining about horrible data speeds and told them i want to cancle with no fee. They said they basically base that off of calls dropped.and not data. I uae my phone minimal for calling but data is another story and it is horribly slow.
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If you go to the Sprint website and look at your usage. There will be a roaming section in the data usage there.

SilverStone641 said:
Doesn't the Unlimited Plan include free roaming?? Where is there verbiage about "excessive roaming"??
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It's there....in the fine print.

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It's there....in the fine print.
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Yeah the fine print. if you go read the official data usage section it states that no more than 300mb may be used per month. Hints why 4-5gb got your service dropped instantly. You just let Verizon run over sprint then reverse and run them over with that bill they had to pay.
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aray92 said:
Yeah the fine print. if you go read the official data usage section it states that no more than 300mb may be used per month. Hints why 4-5gb got your service dropped instantly. You just let Verizon run over sprint then reverse and run them over with that bill they had to pay.
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Actually the 300MB is for data cards. There is no roaming limit. They will cancel you if the majority of your usage is roaming and towers over Sprints.
I'll keep my eye on the Bionic and the Thunderbolt. Hopefully Motorola will work with the community and not have locked bootloaders.

Correct the roaming is for minute usage not data. People get kicked for the talk not data. Data roaming booting applies to data cards as well not phones but you will be charged overages on phone data roaming.
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Just occurred to me that if I want a quick exit from my Sprint contract sans ETF, maybe I should flash a VZW PRL and start hitting the 3g network hard.

ZachPA said:
Just occurred to me that if I want a quick exit from my Sprint contract sans ETF, maybe I should flash a VZW PRL and start hitting the 3g network hard.
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Pretty much what happened to me after a few months.

DirtyShroomz said:
Correct the roaming is for minute usage not data. People get kicked for the talk not data. Data roaming booting applies to data cards as well not phones but you will be charged overages on phone data roaming.
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That is not correct. I am being dropped for data roaming on my Evo. No charges or anything are being applied to it.

There is somewhat if a simple solution. Tell them you roam mostly at home and they will send you a free airave (you have to push to get it for free). Basically it is a small sprint tower that goes thru your local ISP. Ooonce powered up, about two hours) it works flawless.
Best of luck
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engagedtosmile said:
That is not correct. I am being dropped for data roaming on my Evo. No charges or anything are being applied to it.
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Well, DS works for sprint. Maybe you should PM him your number so he can fix those missing data roaming charges.

SilverStone641 said:
Doesn't the Unlimited Plan include free roaming?? Where is there verbiage about "excessive roaming"??
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If you log into your Sprint account and look under your plan details it says 500 mb of roaming data.
The EVO you wish you had

They say that there is such things that are "unlimited", but it's not really. They just set a cap so high that they believe no one will hit. Altell used to do this with their messaging plans.
It's kind of crappy that they're doing this to you, but I would avoid any Moto product unless the C-mod gets ported to it quickly. Motorola phones from what I've seen and used of them, are terrible. Moto Blur sucks, and build quality isn't bad but they have awkward builds. Decent battery life in them, and decent support for their high end devices. But that's about it.

Data throttles on T-mobile

Hello fellow xda members! I think many of you know about T-Mobile's data throttling and what a nuance it may be. I would like to hear your thoughts on this and even possible solutions to this. Thanks!
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olde_shrimp said:
Hello fellow xda members! I think many of you know about T-Mobile's data throttling and what a nuance it may be. I would like to hear your thoughts on this and even possible solutions to this. Thanks!
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It's better than cutting you off completely like other providers do. They begin throttling after 5gb on unlimited plans... everyone else will cut you off completely at 5gb.

zarathustrax said:
It's better than cutting you off completely like other providers do. They begin throttling after 5gb on unlimited plans... everyone else will cut you off completely at 5gb.
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Not sure how these providers get away with selling these as 'unlimited' plans, when they throttle or disconnect your data connection at a certainl level. I understand thet 5gb is rather generous, and that the terms and conditions of most providers specify the data cap in the fine print, but they still go around advertising these plans as unlimited data plans when they're technically not.

mystik610 said:
Not sure how these providers get away with selling these as 'unlimited' plans, when they throttle or disconnect your data connection at a certainl level. I understand thet 5gb is rather generous, and that the terms and conditions of most providers specify the data cap in the fine print, but they still go around advertising these plans as unlimited data plans when they're technically not.
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I agree... I think some have stopped calling them unlimited plans recently, though. At least T-Mobile's really is unlimited, even though they throttle after 5gb.... it's better than getting completely cut off. I wish I could afford an unlimited data plan myself, but unfortunately I'm stuch with prepaid t-mobile right now. I can buy a web daypass for $1.50, which is technically unlimited data for 24 hours, but they begin throttling after 5mb

What do u guys do that u use over 5gb on your phone?
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phoang1988 said:
What do u guys do that u use over 5gb on your phone?
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video steaming and tethering. i think if you get throttled, you better off setting your phone to use edge only. edge is faster than the throttled 3G/4G.

Just my opinion.
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Hello fellow xda members! I think many of you know about T-Mobile's data throttling and what a nuance it may be. I would like to hear your thoughts on this and even possible solutions to this. Thanks!
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Ok yes having a 5GB soft cap on a data plan that is advertised and labeled "UNLIMITED" is a bummer and some what deceiving. And yes the throttling sucks, I mean at throttled speeds T-Mobile might as well actually cut you data completely. I mean really, those kinds of speeds are totally usless to a smartphone user. So can you really say throttling is any different than completely cutting off your data conection. Also I heard that T-Mobile actually uses your phone some how to acheive the throttling. If this is true T-Mobile is using equipment that does not belong to them to control their network. I bet you will not find T-Mobile asking your permission to do this anywhere in the T&C statement or your contract.
I know I will catch flack for this but I feel it needs to be said. Do we not have enough threads in the T-Mobile forums about this subject? This is XDA this really has no place here.

T-Macgnolia said:
I know I will catch flack for this but I feel it needs to be said. Do we not have enough threads in the T-Mobile forums about this subject? This is XDA this really has no place here.
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this really has no place here!!! for chrissake peeple this is XDA!!!