I've seen the other similar threads but I couldn't find anywhere, anyone who has asked these questions specifically:
Sprint recently added a 5GB data cap to their "tethering" services that comes with the Sprint Hotspot. I understand that "handset" data however, is still to remain unlimited...
1.) So when using the Wifi tethering app from the market, which data does it use on Sprint's network? Tethering, or handset?
2.) If you're using Sprint's hotspot app - the hacked/modded versions devs have been making- which does it use?
3.) And finally, if you have a rom like SRF1.2 that bypasses proxies and does other network tweaks, which does it use with them?
My phones are below if you need to know what I'm running.
ArchangelRenzoku said:
I've seen the other similar threads but I couldn't find anywhere, anyone who has asked these questions specifically:
Sprint recently added a 5GB data cap to their "tethering" services that comes with the Sprint Hotspot. I understand that "handset" data however, is still to remain unlimited...
1.) So when using the Wifi tethering app from the market, which data does it use on Sprint's network? Tethering, or handset?
2.) If you're using Sprint's hotspot app - the hacked/modded versions devs have been making- which does it use?
3.) And finally, if you have a rom like SRF1.2 that bypasses proxies and does other network tweaks, which does it use with them?
My phones are below if you need to know what I'm running.
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your using handset data which is unlimited and this only works if you are rooted and have wifi tether enabled,
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your using handset data which is unlimited and this only works if you are rooted and have wifi tether enabled,
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Okay good, that is my setup.
Short of torrenting pirated movies or other bandwidth-heavy activities, I don't have to worry about getting a nasty letter from them about using too much traffic then?
I normally just stream Netflix all day, check for updates on SRF1.3, and check G+ 3 or 4 times daily.
They all use the same data. Sprint just doesn't believe that a phone by itself will ever reach the 5 gb mark, and for the most part, they're right. Normal use of a phone should fall well below that mark, although video streaming could push it...
But try downloading 6 gigs on your phone each month, legitimately exceeding the 5 gig threshold without violating the new terms of service (in other words, without using any form of tethering), and I'd be willing to bet that your speed will still be throttled. You may even receive a letter about a violation, or about purchasing theory tethering plan. (Paying for their tethering doesn't count for this experiment, since it has already been established that that plan does get throttled, and it involves supplying a data connection to a device other than your phone)
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They all use the same data. Sprint just doesn't believe that a phone by itself will ever reach the 5 gb mark, and for the most part, they're right. Normal use of a phone should fall well below that mark, although video streaming could push it...
But try downloading 6 gigs on your phone each month, legitimately exceeding the 5 gig threshold without violating the new terms of service (in other words, without using any form of tethering), and I'd be willing to bet that your speed will still be throttled. You may even receive a letter about a violation, or about purchasing theory tethering plan. (Paying for their tethering doesn't count for this experiment, since it has already been established that that plan does get throttled, and it involves supplying a data connection to a device other than your phone)
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But I thought Sprint was the only provider that doesn't have a fair-usage policy limiting users to 5GB a month. They are truly unlimited... (insert question mark here?)
styles420 said:
They all use the same data. Sprint just doesn't believe that a phone by itself will ever reach the 5 gb mark, and for the most part, they're right. Normal use of a phone should fall well below that mark, although video streaming could push it...
But try downloading 6 gigs on your phone each month, legitimately exceeding the 5 gig threshold without violating the new terms of service (in other words, without using any form of tethering), and I'd be willing to bet that your speed will still be throttled. You may even receive a letter about a violation, or about purchasing theory tethering plan. (Paying for their tethering doesn't count for this experiment, since it has already been established that that plan does get throttled, and it involves supplying a data connection to a device other than your phone)
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hmmm interesting,,
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I use on average of 11 million Kbs of service each month for the past almost 2 years and I have yet to recieve any such letter,,,
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...that f**king shut me up...
As long as you arent abusing tethering like downloading huge torrents and using it as your main internet on 3g, you should be fine... i mean i know tons of people that posted in other threads that always go over the 5gb limit and sprint doesnt throttle or charge u.. just dont use it for torrents or online gaming via ps3 or xbox.
You should be fine if you do go over
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As long as you arent abusing tethering like downloading huge torrents and using it as your main internet on 3g, you should be fine... i mean i know tons of people that posted in other threads that always go over the 5gb limit and sprint doesnt throttle or charge u.. just dont use it for torrents or online gaming via ps3 or xbox.
You should be fine if you do go over
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Hopefully it stays that way - they *just* changed the terms of service within the past month, so only time will tell.
If you pay for their tethering package, then the app checks in with their network when you start it (this was the part that needed to be hacked to get the native hotspot working for free, essentially) - that would be the only way Sprint would know which data is used for tethering, and it could end up being inflated by any data use on your phone while the tether app is running (unless the app actually reports when data is being pulled for a connected device instead of the phone - but that's more bandwidth wasted...)
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I really don't think Sprint cares. I had no home internet for about 2 weeks recently, so I used the tethering hack. During tha time I torrented over 30 GB of tv over 4g and never got a warning or throttling.
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I had been reading from the sprint website about their unlimited plans and sprint's customer support responses to people. The results are promising, for now.
They basically said as long as network usage remains balanced between light and heavy users, everything will remain unlimited forever. (We obviously know forever means 1 or 2 years at the rate people are jumping over to the unlimited bandwagon).
Even with the iPhone users coming over, they say it's going to remain unlimited as long as not EVERYONE is being a heavy user. If everyone becomes heavy, the CEO said they will think about tackling a different approach to tiered-usage once that boat comes along, but I guess we're all okay for now.
ArchangelRenzoku said:
I've seen the other similar threads but I couldn't find anywhere, anyone who has asked these questions specifically:
Sprint recently added a 5GB data cap to their "tethering" services that comes with the Sprint Hotspot. I understand that "handset" data however, is still to remain unlimited...
1.) So when using the Wifi tethering app from the market, which data does it use on Sprint's network? Tethering, or handset?
2.) If you're using Sprint's hotspot app - the hacked/modded versions devs have been making- which does it use?
3.) And finally, if you have a rom like SRF1.2 that bypasses proxies and does other network tweaks, which does it use with them?
My phones are below if you need to know what I'm running.
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I dont really know but i think that it just uses android's driver and permission from SU (superuser) to form itself into a wifi hotspot. For number two, if you hack you're phone, you're still going to pay for SPRINT hotspot app. However, wifi hotspot(from market) is free. I don't know number 3.. sorry :/
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I dont really know but i think that it just uses android's driver and permission from SU (superuser) to form itself into a wifi hotspot. For number two, if you hack you're phone, you're still going to pay for SPRINT hotspot app. However, wifi hotspot(from market) is free. I don't know number 3.. sorry :/
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False. I don't pay them $30/month and I use the hacked version of the hotspot app albeit not very much. That's the whole point of hacking it, so you don't have to pay the extra $30/month.
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False. I don't pay them $30/month and I use the hacked version of the hotspot app albeit not very much. That's the whole point of hacking it, so you don't have to pay the extra $30/month.
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Seriously, thanks for being the voice of reason here - that guy must have forgotten to toggle basic logic back on before engaging the typing mechanism
"We hacked the native hotspot app - now, it functions EXACTLY the same way as it did before we hacked it... don't forget to hit that THANKS button!"
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I'm glad you guys answered before I did. My answer would have been petty hurtful because that reply was not helpful whatsoever.
If you don't know, guessing doesn't contribute unless the post has to do with theory!
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didnt' really want to start a new thread.... i'm on SRF 1.2 with the fixed tether. for a couple of months i had no internet in the house so i was tethering without any issue off of 4g. got my internet back up at home and stopped using it. today i tried to go on with 4g and i could only go to google.com. turned off 4g and can surf on 3g on my laptop without issue. anyone know what's going on?
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didnt' really want to start a new thread.... i'm on SRF 1.2 with the fixed tether. for a couple of months i had no internet in the house so i was tethering without any issue off of 4g. got my internet back up at home and stopped using it. today i tried to go on with 4g and i could only go to google.com. turned off 4g and can surf on 3g on my laptop without issue. anyone know what's going on?
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In the future, starting a new thread instead of hijacking mine is suggested... but I'm feeling generous before I go to bed the A.M.
You simply don't start 4G until after your device is connected via wifi on 3G.
*Start wifi tether
*connect device
*Turn on 4G
In that order and it should work fine.
Try that and report your results please.
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In the future, starting a new thread instead of hijacking mine is suggested... but I'm feeling generous before I go to bed the A.M.
You simply don't start 4G until after your device is connected via wifi on 3G.
*Start wifi tether
*connect device
*Turn on 4G
In that order and it should work fine.
Try that and report your results please.
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unfortunatly that didnt' work. wonder if it has anything to do with my location. going to have to try it again when i get back home and see if that makes a difference. thanks for letting me thread jack
murso74 said:
unfortunatly that didnt' work. wonder if it has anything to do with my location. going to have to try it again when i get back home and see if that makes a difference. thanks for letting me thread jack
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Hmmm, sorry that didn't work. Please let me know your findings then so I have another solution to add for future peeps with such an issue.
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So will att catch on? I only will use it for Playing world of warcraft for a few hours eevery 3 or 4 days and basic web browsing. A few hours of game play is ONLY about 50mb if even that. But will they catch on? I have the 30 dollar unlimated plan
I got a letter from att a month ago about tethering on my infuse. I'm not sure how they found out since I was running a cooked rom I wouldn't chance it cause they will switch your account to the 4 gig tethering plan
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I got a letter from att a month ago about tethering on my infuse. I'm not sure how they found out since I was running a cooked rom I wouldn't chance it cause they will switch your account to the 4 gig tethering plan
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Will they warn me first?? or will they just switch it?
Im sorry i didn't mean to post in this section i ha to many tabs and didn't see it
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Will they warn me first?? or will they just switch it?
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They need to let you know they are changing your plan before they do so. I have been tethering with my phone for years now and ATT has never said anything to and I think it has to do with the amount of traffic. If they see a huge spike of activity and then they look at where that traffic is coming from and they see that you are connecting to battle net then they will know something is up(i know the traffic is not coming from battle net). What I am trying to say is do it within reason, as my guess is the people that they are catching are using well over 2GB a month.
I hope a mod moves this soon... But I heard of at least one person getting nailed with usage <1GB.
i used to tether my blackberry to my ipod touch forever and att has never said anything, i used to use it on my netbook when i went to school too. this was bluetoothtethering. but im think it has more to do with what a user is doing/amount of traffic they are using etc. as for the <gb guy, that may have been a random check or something else. but tethering to play online gaming you will surely get naildd... so use at your own risk knowing the consequences if they/when they find out
I've been tethering for years. I regularly go over 5gb's and at&t has never said anything. I am grandfathered in on the unlimited tho, and I normally only use it for tethering my tablet which is Android so it probably looks as tho it's just coming from my phone. Oh and occasional tethering to my Xbox when my DSL drops out. Lol.
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I believe it has to do with the internet stack in the phone. Seen an article a while back on this. If you use a cooked rom they will know if it is based on the stock kernal and rom. If you use something like cyanogenmod they shouldn't ever find out. I think I seen this explanation with verizon tethering and how to get around it.
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I believe it has to do with the internet stack in the phone. Seen an article a while back on this. If you use a cooked rom they will know if it is based on the stock kernal and rom. If you use something like cyanogenmod they shouldn't ever find out. I think I seen this explanation with verizon tethering and how to get around it.
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but that wouldnt explain how i could tether with my blackberry to computers and ipods with no ATT wrath, and i know these are android phones but tethering is tethering..right?
How AT&T can find out?
About four months ago I received a txt from AT&T thanking me for enjoying my trial period of tethering for my iPhone and that a tethering package would automatically be on my next bill. The forum I was on (don't remember where) simply stated that all I had to do was go into an AT&T store and demand that I NOT be placed on the tethering plan. I did that and after a quick phone call from the store to a CSR they pulled it off but with a warning. They said that if tethering activity was monitored again that they would add it back and I couldn't remove it (yeah right).
I was using the MyWi app from Cydia that works perfectly. I used it for nearly two years with no issue. However, the PDANet Cydia app has a "Hide Tethering" option in the program that always made me curious. What is it hiding? MyWi doesn't have that option.
I also used a Windows Mobile phone prior to that with ICS installed and regularly tethered to that as well. I think that ROM was a NotaTreoFan ROM most of the time and then Energy.
I would love the option of adding tethering to my SGS2 but I refuse to pay for a tethering plan. I'm still grandfathered into unlimited data.
Thoughts?
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So will att catch on? I only will use it for Playing world of warcraft for a few hours eevery 3 or 4 days and basic web browsing. A few hours of game play is ONLY about 50mb if even that. But will they catch on? I have the 30 dollar unlimated plan
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They shouldn't notice anything. I have used barnacle tether on T-Mobile and sprint. So both sim and cdma for a while now. And so far nothing. I'm pretty sure barnacle tether just uses your mobile network and shows up as nothing more than data usage. Bc when using the built in carrier tethering they see the app in use and send that data back. I check my tether stats and network stats and it just shows up as network use. I think you will be fine
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I've been tethering for a while now with my phone and I noticed that lately it seems like my internet stops working after a while. Sometimes it will let me download as much as 2GBs then it starts kicking me off minutes after I begin tethering.
Is Sprint able to see if I'm tethering now? I don't care to much either way I'm fine using my phone to download the things I need. It's just sometimes my downloads fail after reaching 100% so I like to use my PC more.
I have noticed that I've used 50GB this month .
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I've been tethering for a while now with my phone and I noticed that lately it seems like my internet stops working after a while. Sometimes it will let me download as much as 2GBs then it starts kicking me off minutes after I begin tethering.
Is Sprint able to see if I'm tethering now? I don't care to much either way I'm fine using my phone to download the things I need. It's just sometimes my downloads fail after reaching 100% so I like to use my PC more.
I have noticed that I've used 50GB this month .
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So its because of people like you I get slow connections whenever I try to open any website on my phone if I can't use a wifi.
Ever heard of cable internet?
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obsanity said:
So its because of people like you I get slow connections whenever I try to open any website on my phone if I can't use a wifi.
Ever heard of cable internet?
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That's BS. Don't throw claims around no one knows are true. I tether and the other sprint 4g phones in my household don't take a hit in bandwidth. The amount of people that tether alot or a small minority compared to people that don't. Blame sprint for not giving you a good connection, not us. Anywho, back to this torrent...
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Sprint told me to root my phone and tether.
I don't think they check.
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That's BS. Don't throw claims around no one knows are true. I tether and the other sprint 4g phones in my household don't take a hit in bandwidth. The amount of people that tether alot or a small minority compared to people that don't. Blame sprint for not giving you a good connection, not us. Anywho, back to this torrent...
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actualy they can tell and torrent downloaders are so easy spot, and im pretty sure torrent downloading might be in the fine print somewhere.
Oh also your so cool bro replacing home internet with sprints weak 3g/4g service that does not have any net neatrilty laws lol you will be gone sooner or later
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I read recently sprint was pulling tethering apps from the market so they may be trying to weed out some in addition the recent 5GB cap on hotspot, i'm sure they are fine tuning their system to track data in different manners. Currently they cant even separate hotspot and phone data, that should serve interesting to how they implement overages.
Yeah. Eventually when all the unlimited plans are gone at least we'll know why.
Also, sprint can tell your tethering, they're just not actively doing anything about it yet. After all when you are on 3G or 4G you go through their IP gateway and they can control what you see and can tell what you're using to see it. The only way to prevent that would be through vpn and maybe some https but headers still have to go through clean.
P2P is probably the easiest to detect even if encrypted so good luck trying to get your number back after they close your account.
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True, i would hope the systems are able to track it with all the tracking a smartphone is capable of especially just knowing the browser type they should be able to see who's tethering. I'm really curious to see how this plays out over the next year or two with data usage.
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That's BS. Don't throw claims around no one knows are true. I tether and the other sprint 4g phones in my household don't take a hit in bandwidth. The amount of people that tether alot or a small minority compared to people that don't. Blame sprint for not giving you a good connection, not us. Anywho, back to this torrent...
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No definitely you guys
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searchfirst said:
I read recently sprint was pulling tethering apps from the market so they may be trying to weed out some in addition the recent 5GB cap on hotspot, i'm sure they are fine tuning their system to track data in different manners. Currently they cant even separate hotspot and phone data, that should serve interesting to how they implement overages.
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Actually they can
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Don't believe anyone who says they cannot tell if your tethering. All they have to do is check what the source and destination mac address using a program such as wireshark to sniff the IP of your phone.
Also don't believe anyone who says your phone is affecting their bandwidth. Bandwidth depends on signal strength and how much bandwidth they are using on their 3g 4g frequencies they use. Its different everywhere for every tower and has to do with the type of license they were able to obtain from the fcc for the tower you are using.
As far as your question regarding sprint killing your downloads, you would need to find a way to sniff you phone's 3g/4g connection to find out whats killing the packets. i would guess that its probably an issue with the connection(s) timing out for high ping times. i don't know if there is a way to manually adjust the ttl in android.
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So its because of people like you I get slow connections whenever I try to open any website on my phone if I can't use a wifi.
Ever heard of cable internet?
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Guess what jackass not everyone has cable availability. I live in the county and I don't have cable, or DSL available. In fact as of this year I can no longer get a phone line to my home. The only options some of us have are satellite internet or tethering.
They may be able to on a backend but sprint.com and their billing system doesn't show the difference. Currently if you call sprint and ask for your hotspots usage they cannot provide an answer.
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Don't believe anyone who says they cannot tell if your tethering. All they have to do is check what the source and destination mac address using a program such as wireshark to sniff the IP of your phone.
Also don't believe anyone who says your phone is affecting their bandwidth. Bandwidth depends on signal strength and how much bandwidth they are using on their 3g 4g frequencies they use. Its different everywhere for every tower and has to do with the type of license they were able to obtain from the fcc for the tower you are using.
As far as your question regarding sprint killing your downloads, you would need to find a way to sniff you phone's 3g/4g connection to find out whats killing the packets. i would guess that its probably an issue with the connection(s) timing out for high ping times. i don't know if there is a way to manually adjust the ttl in android.
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Yes but torenting is easy to spot due the way it downloads parts of bytes from different spots
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Windst said:
Sprint told me to root my phone and tether.
I don't think they check.
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Really????
My wife hates XDA
dowmace said:
Guess what jackass not everyone has cable availability. I live in the county and I don't have cable, or DSL available. In fact as of this year I can no longer get a phone line to my home. The only options some of us have are satellite internet or tethering.
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There are means to tether when you have no options. I was pointing out the ops ignorant approach to data usage since he clearly has a different internet connection but still chooses to use the phone.
Keep your jackass to yourself.
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There are means to tether when you have no options. I was pointing out the ops ignorant approach to data usage since he clearly has a different internet connection but still chooses to use the phone.
Keep your jackass to yourself.
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You blamed him for your data speeds. If he is causing low data speeds, then how do the people legitimately tethering not effect your speeds?
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There are means to tether when you have no options. I was pointing out the ops ignorant approach to data usage since he clearly has a different internet connection but still chooses to use the phone.
Keep your jackass to yourself.
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I never said I have another internet connection. I said I could simply just download the files with my phone. I preferred to use my PC instead because I can avoid having to transfer files.
Thanks for the help everyone.
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You blamed him for your data speeds. If he is causing low data speeds, then how do the people legitimately tethering not effect your speeds?
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Sprint would accommodate for that. But because people abuse the otherwise would be fair use type of tether system, soon people such as yourself, who can't have any other access will be either limited to a ridiculous 5GB per month or not have the ability at all.
For people like myself who ocasonally use tether without tether plan (because of root access) to check some emails/web when stranded without wifi access, Sprint may disable that all together and we'll be forced to pay the $30 per month fee for the 1 or 2 times a year of 100-200MB of data used.
That's why I can't stand people abusing it. And for the op... if you truly do not have any other means of getting a wired data line, I hope you are at least paying for it even though it may no longer be unlimited.
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obsanity said:
Sprint would accommodate for that. But because people abuse the otherwise would be fair use type of tether system, soon people such as yourself, who can't have any other access will be either limited to a ridiculous 5GB per month or not have the ability at all.
For people like myself who ocasonally use tether without tether plan (because of root access) to check some emails/web when stranded without wifi access, Sprint may disable that all together and we'll be forced to pay the $30 per month fee for the 1 or 2 times a year of 100-200MB of data used.
That's why I can't stand people abusing it. And for the op... if you truly do not have any other means of getting a wired data line, I hope you are at least paying for it even though it may no longer be unlimited.
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Obsanity, Were I can definitely understand your frustration with sprints slow network (I feel the same way), Sprint advertises unlimited data on smartphones. regardless of him paying for tethering (which he should pay for), data is data, and its all 1's and 0's and therefor is a mute point. People that tether without paying for it are not cause of slow data, however they will be the cause of tiered data plans. Until that happens chill out and relax. If you have a signal , -60db or better, then call sprint and have them take a look at the tower. if they insist its your phone, have them replace it. if they won't look at the tower, thank them for their time and file a complaint with the fcc.
Has anyone noticed difficulties with wifi tethering on tmobile since update 4.3?
I was able to bypass the T-Mobile hotspot plan before the update (rooted) using pdanet+ but since updating to 4.3 it takes me right to the tmobile hotspot page informing me that i dont have the feature on my plan.
I also tried smart wifi tether but that gave me the same issue.
Has tmobile just gotten wise to all of the wifi tethering or do the apps just not have it working correctly on 4.3?
has anyone noticed what.. that tmobile has caught on to your theft?
they want everyone to switch to their new plans, the new data packages all include tethering. they all include unlimited tethering, except the completely unlimited high speed data package includes 500mb(but can buy more). if you are tethering another device, they arent counting it towards tethering, laptops/desktops they do.
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Has anyone noticed difficulties with wifi tethering on tmobile since update 4.3?
I was able to bypass the T-Mobile hotspot plan before the update (rooted) using pdanet+ but since updating to 4.3 it takes me right to the tmobile hotspot page informing me that i dont have the feature on my plan.
I also tried smart wifi tether but that gave me the same issue.
Has tmobile just gotten wise to all of the wifi tethering or do the apps just not have it working correctly on 4.3?
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i think it's something up with 4.3, i haven't been able to tether either...
simms22 said:
has anyone noticed what.. that tmobile has caught on to your theft?
they want everyone to switch to their new plans, the new data packages all include tethering. they all include unlimited tethering, except the completely unlimited high speed data package includes 500mb(but can buy more). if you are tethering another device, they arent counting it towards tethering, laptops/desktops they do.
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That didnt really answer my question. Plenty of people use rooted phones with tethering apps to bypass carriers outrageous fees for the service. I had it working fine on 4.2.2 but since I updated to 4.3, the same setup i was previously using is now bringing me right to the carrier sign up page. Which means it is no longer working as intended. I was curious about the cause of this and if there was any way to get it working again.
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i think it's something up with 4.3, i haven't been able to tether either...
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I can usb tether with pdanet+ but it definitely seems buggier than it used to be, and wifi tethering is way more useful.
I use a Google chrome extension and it works
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Which plan do you have? I'm working with the $30 100 minutes 5 GB plan and have had no problems tethering with WiFi or USB. Have you tried different ROMs?
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I can not tether on paranoid android or the latest vanir nightly. I'm on the T-Mobile $70 unlimited everything plan. Tethering works fine on all ROMs but these two.
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Hi, i not agree that this is a theft.Tethering option is provided from google the same way as blackberry os ,when i had blackberry 9700 there was nothing that says tethering plan or something.There was even an option to dial from windows connection for modems with some combination of digits and these #*.Now i am not even trying to find a loophole .Nexus is with non tmobile software so the first problem is resolved, and second, guys on ubuntu there is nothing like tmobile upsell page, your connection does not being rooted to their transparent proxy witch actualy detects windows , and shows the upsell page.If you want free legal (without modification anything on the phone or pc) yeah you need ubuntu and chrome, opera though doesn't work so this browser is dead to me hahah.Basically when i got my nexus i just connected it with usb to tether and everything was working.And t mobile has enough bandwith megahertz to handle heavy users like me , i do around 250 gb per month.And if you live alone u can cut your home internet.Well if i was rich like most americans i was going to think like you probably haha
simms22 said:
has anyone noticed what.. that tmobile has caught on to your theft?
they want everyone to switch to their new plans, the new data packages all include tethering. they all include unlimited tethering, except the completely unlimited high speed data package includes 500mb(but can buy more). if you are tethering another device, they arent counting it towards tethering, laptops/desktops they do.
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Hi i think you were able to tether on 4.2.2 because unlimited data now has 500 mb tethering, so probably at the time u upgrade android, you already used them.Nothing wrong with stock 4.3, seriously.
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That didnt really answer my question. Plenty of people use rooted phones with tethering apps to bypass carriers outrageous fees for the service. I had it working fine on 4.2.2 but since I updated to 4.3, the same setup i was previously using is now bringing me right to the carrier sign up page. Which means it is no longer working as intended. I was curious about the cause of this and if there was any way to get it working again.
I can usb tether with pdanet+ but it definitely seems buggier than it used to be, and wifi tethering is way more useful.
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Which plan do you have? I'm working with the $30 100 minutes 5 GB plan and have had no problems tethering with WiFi or USB. Have you tried different ROMs?
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would that be the prepaid plan? i have the $30 monthly prepaid plan, but it told me i should stop tethering after i tried it a few times.
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Hi, i not agree that this is a theft.Tethering option is provided from google the same way as blackberry os ,when i had blackberry 9700 there was nothing that says tethering plan or something.There was even an option to dial from windows connection for modems with some combination of digits and these #*.Now i am not even trying to find a loophole .Nexus is with non tmobile software so the first problem is resolved, and second, guys on ubuntu there is nothing like tmobile upsell page, your connection does not being rooted to their transparent proxy witch actualy detects windows , and shows the upsell page.If you want free legal (without modification anything on the phone or pc) yeah you need ubuntu and chrome, opera though doesn't work so this browser is dead to me hahah.Basically when i got my nexus i just connected it with usb to tether and everything was working.And t mobile has enough bandwith megahertz to handle heavy users like me , i do around 250 gb per month.And if you live alone u can cut your home internet.Well if i was rich like most americans i was going to think like you probably haha
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i agree with you. the option to tether is free to use, its provided by the phone default. but, you are using tmobiles service which is not free. your ability to tether is free, but the right to use tmobiles services while tethered is not free, and we are obliged to follow their rules(legally), or they can and will stop their service.
imagine buying a car, it has an engine, wheels, everything needed to drive. but, even though you can freely drive, you have to purchase gas. you arent entitled to the gas free, even though the car has the ability to drive included.
most americans rich? what world are you living in? its definitely not reality for sure..
Ok u got me, but i would change my statement to "if i was getting 50-60k"..Because i am democrat i would say the only unlimited wireless super fast internet for $20 in the world(checked japan, south Korea, England, nobody has that ), well i will take advantage of it , and even with a risk t mobile makes some new firewall for linux, i still share the infh and somehow thats make me feel " wow i have the fastest wireless internet in the world, at least".Its another reality i am aware...
=simms22;45009790]i agree with you. the option to tether is free to use, its provided by the phone default. but, you are using tmobiles service which is not free. your ability to tether is free, but the right to use tmobiles services while tethered is not free, and we are obliged to follow their rules(legally), or they can and will stop their service.
imagine buying a car, it has an engine, wheels, everything needed to drive. but, even though you can freely drive, you have to purchase gas. you arent entitled to the gas free, even though the car has the ability to drive included.
most americans rich? what world are you living in? its definitely not reality for sure..[/QUOTE]
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Ok u got me, but i would change my statement to "if i was getting 50-60k"..Because i am democrat i would say the only unlimited wireless super fast internet for $20 in the world(checked japan, south Korea, England, nobody has that ), well i will take advantage of it , and even with a risk t mobile makes some new firewall for linux, i still share the infh and somehow thats make me feel " wow i have the fastest wireless internet in the world, at least".Its another reality i am aware...
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i make around $50000 a year, which sounds like a lot. but.. in live in nyc, where the cost of living is much more than everywhere else in the US. so my 50000 has a realistic value of about 25000-30000 if you compare it to other US cities, which is nothing. i live paycheck to paycheck, and have a hard time filling my needs.
$20 internet? i pay 50+20(unlimited+tax) so it turns out to be around $82.
Yeah i even want to get off these 500 min for $35,but its not posible, don't know how it is in NY but i can give u an example the gasoline here in san francisco region is the most expensive.And i am getting lower than nothing.Even i'm filing for disability welfare i worked 7 years with no vacation, paying taxes on instalments for 2008-2012 and i know that nothing is gonna change so lets get some money from the best country in the world.My disability its not even on the list in my country.Dont go there for vacation its gonna be the worst ever vacation , Bulgaria.
i make around $50000 a year, which sounds like a lot. but.. in live in nyc, where the cost of living is much more than everywhere else in the US. so my 50000 has a realistic value of about 25000-30000 if you compare it to other US cities, which is nothing. i live paycheck to paycheck, and have a hard time filling my needs.
$20 internet? i pay 50+20(unlimited+tax) so it turns out to be around $82.[/QUOTE]
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Yeah i even want to get off these 500 min for $35,but its not posible, don't know how it is in NY but i can give u an example the gasoline here in san francisco region is the most expensive.And i am getting lower than nothing.Even i'm filing for disability welfare i worked 7 years with no vacation, paying taxes on instalments for 2008-2012 and i know that nothing is gonna change so lets get some money from the best country in the world.My disability its not even on the list in my country.Dont go there for vacation its gonna be the worst ever vacation , Bulgaria.
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yea, its expensive in san fran also, i have family there. and im in the same boat, last week long vacation was in 2006.
sure, we might make more money in the US, but the cost of living is very expensive too(in big cities, less in the country. less pay in the country as well). i know movies/tv show how great we live in the us, but for the majority of people here its not realistic, its a fantasy.
Okay so back on topic...
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Which plan do you have? I'm working with the $30 100 minutes 5 GB plan and have had no problems tethering with WiFi or USB. Have you tried different ROMs?
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Im using the same plan you are, prepaid $30 with 100 minuntes and 5GB
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I can not tether on paranoid android or the latest vanir nightly. I'm on the T-Mobile $70 unlimited everything plan. Tethering works fine on all ROMs but these two.
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This might be the key then, I am also on paranoid android. I flashed it right when i upgraded to 4.3 and havent used anything since.
Maybe its just a flaw in PA? I would hope that gets updated soon
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Okay so back on topic...
Im using the same plan you are, prepaid $30 with 100 minuntes and 5GB
This might be the key then, I am also on paranoid android. I flashed it right when i upgraded to 4.3 and havent used anything since.
Maybe its just a flaw in PA? I would hope that gets updated soon
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I also can not tether on vanir nightlies, So far only paranoid and vanir send you to tmobiles website.
I'm on T-Mobile and was able to tether my wife's phone via WiFi, my tablet via Bluetooth and my laptop via usb while on PA and CM (both 4.3 and not at the same time) with no problems. I'm using one of the hybrid kernels. I'm also using T-Mobile's new plan with 2.5GB of data.
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I'm on T-Mobile and was able to tether my wife's phone via WiFi, my tablet via Bluetooth and my laptop via usb while on PA and CM (both 4.3 and not at the same time) with no problems. I'm using one of the hybrid kernels. I'm also using T-Mobile's new plan with 2.5GB of data.
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So I was in the PA thread over in the original development section and i searched for the hotspot issue. It seems that other people are also having issues using a hotspot on tmobile while on the rom. I saw a post that said some people have the issue and some dont. However it was hard to see if it ever got resolved because that thread is an absolute zoo. I was gonna post a question about it and how it might be resolved but I dont have enough posts to be allowed in the development section.
Demonic, it seems like you were one of the lucky ones that it happens to work for on. See i can usb tether, but wifi hotspot will just redirect to a tmobile webpage no matter if its a phone or a laptop thats connected to it.
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Demonic, it seems like you were one of the lucky ones that it happens to work for on. See i can usb tether, but wifi hotspot will just redirect to a tmobile webpage no matter if its a phone or a laptop thats connected to it.
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What radio, APN settings and T-Mobile plan are you using?
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What radio, APN settings and T-Mobile plan are you using?
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Im using all the stock settings, i never modified anything.
-I was on stock android, got the OTA for 4.3
-Then rooted and flashed PA and their gapps
-havent modified any apn settings with the exception of the "use defaults" option to reset my connection (but i dont believe that changes anything)
My tmo plan is the 30 dollar prepaid with 100 minutes and 5gb of 4g (it worked fine on this plan before on rooted 4.2.2 but i was not on PA)
I was wondering if anyone has found a way to block T-Mobile from seeing that you're tethering on your plan?
I have the 500mb tethering... but I usually go way over that. Coming from the GNex on Verizon all the custom roms made it so Verizon couldn't see you were tethering. I usually just tether my Nexus 10 when I'm out and about. And it always shows up on my bill that I used X amount of tethering data.
So, is there a way to get around this?
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I was wondering if anyone has found a way to block T-Mobile from seeing that you're tethering on your plan?
I have the 500mb tethering... but I usually go way over that. Coming from the GNex on Verizon all the custom roms made it so Verizon couldn't see you were tethering. I usually just tether my Nexus 10 when I'm out and about. And it always shows up on my bill that I used X amount of tethering data.
So, is there a way to get around this?
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I have the $30, 5GB prepaid plan on T-Mobile, without any additional tethering services enabled. I've done quite a bit of bluetooth tethering to my Nexus 7 and haven't heard anything about it from T-Mobile. So there's one option for you, if you're willing to switch to prepaid.
Well try to not go over or buy more data. Or get the prepaid $70 unlimited plan.
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Well I had to deal with his a lot a few months ago when I use to tether.
When you tether to your laptop. The speed of loading/browser/youtube is a lot quicker than the phone. So they'll be able to detect it especially if you youtube a lot. It resets at the end of your cycle. Sometimes they catch you sometimes they dont.
I've gone a month without being caught and sometimes as little as 5-10 minutes they would block me.
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The apps in google play like foxfi don't hide tether usage from T-Mobile. They detect the user agent. So if your tethering to a computer, for example, Mozilla Firefox browser has an add-on to change the user agent. You have to change it to Android. So it looks like an Android is using the data, and not a laptop. That's the only way they can't detect it now.
I have T-Mobile and they're nazis about tethering.
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I have T-Mobile and they're nazis about tethering.
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No T-Mobile is the nicest at tethering, despite some regulation, nothing compared to ATT Spring and Verizon in term of control.
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eksasol said:
No T-Mobile is the nicest at tethering, despite some regulation, nothing compared to ATT Spring and Verizon in term of control.
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Ehhh....your most likely right. I've only HEARD it's harder to get around tethering blocks with T-Mobile than it is with AT&T or other carriers. I know T-Mobile is cracking down a lot though. But
Thanks everyone for your input. Kinda sucks there's no way to really get around that.
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Thanks everyone for your input. Kinda sucks there's no way to really get around that.
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no it IS possible. read my first post. Change the user agent on the computer, or whatever your tethering to. Mozilla has a user agent switcher, its an add on. change your laptops user agent to "android". or iphone if that's what you have service through. I use this quite a bit to tether to my laptop, and haven't had a problem once.
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no it IS possible. read my first post. Change the user agent on the computer, or whatever your tethering to. Mozilla has a user agent switcher, its an add on. change your laptops user agent to "android". or iphone if that's what you have service through. I use this quite a bit to tether to my laptop, and haven't had a problem once.
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near the end of my last billing cycle i was using the android user agent on chrome, and they actually caught me. but the funny thing(more annoying than funny ) is that for three days in a row after, between 11pm and 1am, my phones browser would start redirecting me to their wireless hotspot landing page, and all my apps would stop working, the play store and other apps that used data. id even see the wireless hotspot landing page in some other apps. i had to call tmobile every time, and have them reset my data connection.
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near the end of my last billing cycle i was using the android user agent on chrome, and they actually caught me. but the funny thing(more annoying than funny ) is that for three days in a row after, between 11pm and 1am, my phones browser would start redirecting me to their wireless hotspot landing page, and all my apps would stop working, the play store and other apps that used data. id even see the wireless hotspot landing page in some other apps. i had to call tmobile every time, and have them reset my data connection.
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This. They will associate that user-agent string as your computer. Congrats, your phone is now a computer . I've heard of people having a similar problem when using a native torrent client on android. Can't remember if T-Mobile was the provider or not.
I left AT&T after 13+ years because of their stance on tethering/data limits. (I was an AT&T member before the Cingular merger.) After ALWAYS buying my devices 2nd hand so I could stay on my truly unlimited data plan, they still sent me a letter saying I'm using too much data, and that I'm tethering (even months when I wouldn't tether)
Came to T-Mobile 2 years ago and now I have real unlimited (999gb a month) but I haven't tested out the tethering yet, since I only use my phone. (They dont offer tethering in the unlimited plan) No tablet, laptop has been turned off for about a year. My desktop is a beast and I have fast cable at home, so no need.
Has anyone tried pdanet? I know they had a hide tethering feature. No idea how well it works.
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Has anyone figured out the best way to enable the wifi tethering capability?
I know on the s4, all the roms came out with this feature, it seems the s5 is still not rooted yet, what is everyone using, exploit or app?
this has been posted, but the best way to accomplish this right now without root is with FoxFi ( paid as far as i know and use now ) .. then USB or Bluetooth tether. you can then while tethered activate "wifi share" for your wifi devices. ..... if there is another method please someone post it!
verizon s5 are not allowed to do it..
Wow, what in the world is going on here...
Verizon may have made their last move. I just bought my phone with new 2 year contract, can i return and cancel my contract within a certain time period or am I inevitably effed?
I can not and will not put up with anymore of big Red's nazi ways, I am paying for a service and at the price im paying more than justifies my using of said service in any and every way that i want. If this does not get resolved soon, its a deal breaker for me and verizon. Not that it will make any difference...
and I hate that it would essentially make me move to a lesser carrier with less coverage and internet speed, but big red is starting to do that guv'mint thinking and i dont like where this is headed.
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this has been posted, but the best way to accomplish this right now without root is with FoxFi ( paid as far as i know and use now ) .. then USB or Bluetooth tether. you can then while tethered activate "wifi share" for your wifi devices. ..... if there is another method please someone post it!
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donkey poo!!!
I require a real wifi tether, usb and bluetooth are too restrictive and time consuming.
I hope a few of the more experienced devs can chime in on whether this is something to wait for or just return/sell the device immediately?
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Wow, what in the world is going on here...
Verizon may have made their last move. I just bought my phone with new 2 year contract, can i return and cancel my contract within a certain time period or am I inevitably effed?
I can not and will not put up with anymore of big Red's nazi ways, I am paying for a service and at the price im paying more than justifies my using of said service in any and every way that i want. If this does not get resolved soon, its a deal breaker for me and verizon. Not that it will make any difference...
and I hate that it would essentially make me move to a lesser carrier with less coverage and internet speed, but big red is starting to do that guv'mint thinking and i dont like where this is headed.
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If you have one of their new plans which I'm assuming you do since you upgraded, you absolutely can use native hotspot. I ran it yesterday. You have to turn it on via settings instead of the traditional way of tapping the Wi-Fi app.
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If you have one of their new plans which I'm assuming you do since you upgraded, you absolutely can use native hotspot. I ran it yesterday. You have to turn it on via settings instead of the traditional way of tapping the Wi-Fi app.
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I upgraded, and paid full price for it....
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I upgraded, and paid full price for it....
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Did you try the method 2 posts up?
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No. For the reason of having unlimited data.
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I gave up the unlimited data plan and went with the Share Everything with 6gb of data. I did an analysis of my data usage for the past year and found that I never used more than 2gb a month. The unlimited talk and text is more important to me than unlimited data. Although I use the web quite a bit on the phone, I use wifi at home and at work, so it limits my 4G data usage substantially.
Verizon will eventually find a way to eliminate unlimited data altogether, or with some of the new Internet legislation being pushed throttle the bandwidth to the point that it's useless.
I don't understand what people are doing to use 30gb a month or higher unless you are using the plan as your home ISP service connecting multiple devices, or streaming movies all day long.
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I gave up the unlimited data plan and went with the Share Everything with 6gb of data. I did an analysis of my data usage for the past year and found that I never used more than 2gb a month. The unlimited talk and text is more important to me than unlimited data. Although I use the web quite a bit on the phone, I use wifi at home and at work, so it limits my 4G data usage substantially.
Verizon will eventually find a way to eliminate unlimited data altogether, or with some of the new Internet legislation being pushed throttle the bandwidth to the point that it's useless.
I don't understand what people are doing to use 30gb a month or higher unless you are using the plan as your home ISP service connecting multiple devices, or streaming movies all day long.
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I have Verizon Home Fusion for home internet and I do not have wifi at work. Largest amount of data I can subscribe to per month is 30GB/month, for my home. I'm too far off the road for cable, DSL, and I didn't want Satellite (which still has limits).
I'm grandfathered into unlimited. I use about 30 GB a month tethering, mostly updates for the XBOX One, downloading stuff from the usenet, streaming Netflix or HBO Go to my iPad when I'm at my camper, which is in the woods.
I hope you have an understanding now of how someone can use 30 GB per month.
On an average month, prior to acquiring my GS5, I was using about 45gb of data. That's web surfing, PC and Xbox 360 gaming, and streaming videos. On HEAVY months, I was up around 75gb of data used. My lightest month to date of data usage was 29gb of data. No way in heck I am giving up my unlimited when I have no home landline internet.. This IS my salvation.
Well in response to the OP and to others who may be confused, WIFI tether (as well as bluetooth and usb) is built in and available as long as you have the share everything plan. Until we get root there will be no native wifi hack. I've been told a talented dev has an s5 in hand, i bet it wont be too long until root is achieved, after which native hacks will be forthcoming
It takes time, has anyone here had the s4 before the s5? Do you recommend me to get the s4 or s5? I'm looking to upgrade but I have to pay full price for the phone because I use about 100 gb every month, the only two things that make me doubt is that wifi tether is not posible yet and since I eat my fingernails I can't open the usb with my fingers on the S5 lmao
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It takes time, has anyone here had the s4 before the s5? Do you recommend me to get the s4 or s5? I'm looking to upgrade but I have to pay full price for the phone because I use about 100 gb every month, the only two things that make me doubt is that wifi tether is not posible yet and since I eat my fingernails I can't open the usb with my fingers on the S5 lmao
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On that note, (heh) if you wanted to, and I wanted to, but was talked out of by a dumb BBY mobile rep, was getting the Note 3 which is rootable.
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Well in response to the OP and to others who may be confused, WIFI tether (as well as bluetooth and usb) is built in and available as long as you have the share everything plan. Until we get root there will be no native wifi hack. I've been told a talented dev has an s5 in hand, i bet it wont be too long until root is achieved, after which native hacks will be forthcoming
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Thanks for your reply but I need to activate on the unlimited plan and although when I'm home I don't use that much but when traveling it sure is much cheaper than paying 7-20 bucks a day for WiFi access in some places.... not having root is no good in this particular case especially because I rely on it for work and has never been an issue until now. And giving more money to Verizon is not an options unlimited is already 125 per month
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On that note, (heh) if you wanted to, and I wanted to, but was talked out of by a dumb BBY mobile rep, was getting the Note 3 which is rootable.
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I'm currently still using my n3 cause it's rooted and running my rom. It's got Wi-Fi tether hacked as do most roms.
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What I would do if I were you. Put your 4G SIM card back in your old device until root becomes available. That way you have the Wifi Tether and can use your Unlimited data. And at the same time you can use your S5 for all your apps and such. But use the old device for calling and texting. Just my suggestion. You are lucky, I would never give up that unlimited plan. And these devs are extremely clever you'll have Wifi Tethering on your S5 in no time.
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What I would do if I were you. Put your 4G SIM card back in your old device until root becomes available. That way you have the Wifi Tether and can use your Unlimited data. And at the same time you can use your S5 for all your apps and such. But use the old device for calling and texting. Just my suggestion. You are lucky, I would never give up that unlimited plan. And these devs are extremely clever you'll have Wifi Tethering on your S5 in no time.
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Not an option. Took BestBuy up on their trade in offer. Didn't consider this at the time. But for the future, now I will know better...