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Consensus: Best ROM at the moment?

So, down and to the point... what's the best ROM out there? I'm looking for performance and battery life (I know they're usually negatively correlated) but the best balance of both.
Thanks in advance...

obviously, it all depends on what you're looking for, but my money's with Fresh.

akarol said:
So, down and to the point... what's the best ROM out there? I'm looking for performance and battery life (I know they're usually negatively correlated) but the best balance of both.
Thanks in advance...
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try them pick the one u like and use it SIMPLE

I've played with all of them and the best for battery life, signal and over all just awesome is DamageControl 3.2.2.1 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=700649

I really like AOSP, so Bugless Beast has been nice. I don't really dislike the HTC homescreen or lockscreen, but I don't like the contacts, text messaging app, music app, browser, etc.
However bugless beast has some rough spots, there is an fc that shows up once in a while (not a problem, just annoying) and it doesn't show up as a usb drive on the computer all the time.
Fresh is probably my second favorite, and it isn't far behind even though it is almost straight Sense. I see a lot of people say it is their favorite. It seems like it may be the most robust and stable custom ROM as well, but I haven't tried all of them, only half a dozen or so.

I like Bugless Pete's...
but moved on to Fresh because I like Sense. Plus I like the fact I can use apps2sd.

This is a matter of opinion. You need to decide for yourself. I am using Culkulins ROM and really like it. In b4 this is moved to general / q&a
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Only tried Fresh and Damage Control so far but I like DC better, I could tell an immediate difference in performance, unlike with Fresh. Both have Apps2sd which is a must for me. Apparently this phone has more app storage than most other Android phones, yet not even close to enough for me. I couldn't even put any graphic intensive games like Asphalt on before apps2sd due to lack of room.

Damage Control works great for me as far as 2.1 roms. Just look at the activity for that thread.... most popular IMO and for good reason with all of the dconfig options and updates. They were one of the first to incorporate the OTA update into their rom... they stay on top of things.

So Frech has the HTC Sense? I'd like that.
Also, will installing these different ROMs wipe my data? If so, what backup utility you recommend?

I like the fresh rom, but i'm using DC atm because of the OTA update built into it, i need the grounding fix but when fresh fixes it i'll be moving back.
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So Frech has the HTC Sense? I'd like that.
Also, will installing these different ROMs wipe my data? If so, what backup utility you recommend?
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I use titanium backup for the app data backup/restore and android commander for the app program backup/restore.

Damage Control also has Sense, though you have the option to disable it.

In case it hasn't been said enough yet - DamageControl all the way. Awesome ROM!

I dont mean to be a d**k but you have to read and experiment on your own. There's no such thing as the "best" rom. Clearly all the devs here put a lot of work into their roms and the least you can do is try it and see which you like the most. Are you even rooted?? Your questions give the impressions that you don't even know the basics of rooting or installing your own roms...read the stickies
and yes both Fresh and DC have the Sense UI

I use a modified Damage Control myself
Added in the latest busybox, Bash 4.1, made some tweaks to dalvik-cache to make it use the cache partition instead of the system partition (seriously, the cache partition is ~160megs and barely gets touched normally ), among other things.
It is worth noting that Damage Control (in my opinion) is quite good itself and stays pretty up to date, with a lot of nice features.

DamageControl my fav so far.
Sent telepathically via my Evo.
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ervman1 said:
I dont mean to be a d**k but you have to read and experiment on your own. There's no such thing as the "best" rom. Clearly all the devs here put a lot of work into their roms and the least you can do is try it and see which you like the most. Are you even rooted?? Your questions give the impressions that you don't even know the basics of rooting or installing your own roms...read the stickies
and yes both Fresh and DC have the Sense UI
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I understand, but I figured that by seeing what the recommendations are, I'd be able to exclude some unmentioned ROMs. Makes sense...
I am not rooted at the moment, but I am familiar with it (developed for my HTC Dash years ago). I haven't had much time at all to dive into rooting until nw. Unfortunately, the OTA update was run on this device so now I'm at the mercy of the devs around here to discover a workaround.

Damage rom for the battery life. Seriously guys , if anyone and I mean anyone is *****ing and moaning about battery life , then they haven't tried DC's rom yet. And if Damage ain't on then trevE will answer.
I find a close second in polish and likability is Fresh's rom. Great rom . And I've run that one too.
I also ran Finisher by magnus.
And the froyo by avalaunch. Which is great but I need my camara and I hate having to flash to get it and then flash back.
I've also flashed Hero's over rom. But i didn't like the guys attitude in a couple of posts so I took it off.

howdyace said:
Damage rom for the battery life. Seriously guys , if anyone and I mean anyone is *****ing and moaning about battery life , then they haven't tried DC's rom yet. And if Damage ain't on then trevE will answer.
I find a close second in polish and likability is Fresh's rom. Great rom . And I've run that one too.
I also ran Finisher by magnus.
And the froyo by avalaunch. Which is great but I need my camara and I hate having to flash to get it and then flash back.
I've also flashed Hero's over rom. But i didn't like the guys attitude in a couple of posts so I took it off.
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Im actually a really nice guy. I just let my personal life interfere with my development life. Ive apologized multiple times and will once more. Im sorry. My ROM sucks btw lol

Longer and longer Boot up!!! Help Plz

my phones boot up seems to be taking longer and longer each time i install a new/different rom.a average boot up takes close to 10mins now.It even takes longer on some of the older roms i have installed and booted up with in a few mins the first time i installed them.I'm just curious if there is something to fix that or if there has been something i've been doing i shouldn't have.i wipe data/factory and Delvik before each fresh install of a new rom,ive never used the A2SD........any ideas??

That's weird... no idea...

Hah I disabled JIT and the phone's a million times faster.

But still too slow to play >_> but definitely faster by a few fps.

Are you clearing the Dalvik cache when you install a new rom?

nimdae said:
Are you clearing the Dalvik cache when you install a new rom?
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ErisKlown said:
i wipe data/factory and Delvik before each fresh install of a new rom,ive never used the A2SD........any ideas??
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Hungry Man said:
Hah I disabled JIT and the phone's a million times faster.
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JIT is pointless. through all my experience and most of the people I have talked to, JIT does nothing the end user can feel. it makes your number higher on linpack scores... wow, but for what price? breaking lots of applications and generally making the phone slower for the end user... no thanks.

Lemcott said:
JIT is pointless. through all my experience and most of the people I have talked to, JIT does nothing the end user can feel. it makes your number higher on linpack scores... wow, but for what price? breaking lots of applications and generally making the phone slower for the end user... no thanks.
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its 50-50 atp i know my device runs noticably faster with JIT enabled, my browser reacts faster, my screen scrolling is smoother, applications open a bit faster, now mind you when i say noticably faster im not saying 75% im talking more along the lines of 25% increase. my linpacks are still around the upper 4MFLOPS with JIT disabled but as you see listed running kaosFroYo im getting great numbers and some people are reporting faster than mine.
but your question is that geared towards fresh install boot ups? or everytime you boot up?

I meant to post my disabled jit thing in another topic... only just noticed it was posted here... lol
as for my feelings on JIT I have another topic in general where I explain pros and cons.

Sjflowerhorn said:
its 50-50 atp i know my device runs noticably faster with JIT enabled, my browser reacts faster, my screen scrolling is smoother, applications open a bit faster, now mind you when i say noticably faster im not saying 75% im talking more along the lines of 25% increase. my linpacks are still around the upper 4MFLOPS with JIT disabled but as you see listed running kaosFroYo im getting great numbers and some people are reporting faster than mine.
but your question is that geared towards fresh install boot ups? or everytime you boot up?
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Both.....i can understand it maybe slow on fresh install since its the first time booting.But its slow on every boot up.For example when i was first running(about a month or so ago) Aloysius,fresh install boot up took about 5-7mins or so, and only a couple mins to boot it up any other time.but the last week or so,i have switched to a different rom,decided i didnt care for it and went back to aloysius.First boot up took about 10mins or so.so i powered down,flashed my Droid X keyboard and booted back up again and noticed it took just as long again.So i tried switching out to EE 3.0 and same thing happens,so im assuming its something in the phone.i have tried pulling the battery to see if maybe that would help in some way but still it takes 10mins or more to boot up any rom.

I know EE has had a slow boot up time for my phone, but that's even in the instructions. I'm new to the rooting world, but from my understanding the deodex roms take a fair amount of time on the first boot due to repacking. This could be the issue you are seeing, but like I said I'm a noob
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ironicmind13 said:
I know EE has had a slow boot up time for my phone, but that's even in the instructions. I'm new to the rooting world, but from my understanding the deodex roms take a fair amount of time on the first boot due to repacking. This could be the issue you are seeing, but like I said I'm a noob
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i understand the first boot up takes time but its every boot up even after ive had the same rom for weeks.but it shouldnt take just as long or longer for a boot up of a rom that has been installed for a week.

Do you have any apps that may activate at boot up? Autorun killer for example?

give an AOSP/Vanilla rom a shot if your unsatisfied with your sense based boot times. aosp is naturally lighter and should boot faster either way. But make sure to do full wipe/dalvik wipe before you flash any rom its the safest way to do it. otherwise your bringing things from your old rom to the new one.

Not sure what i did but between changing my splash screen(the 3 skateboard androids) and the nandroid restore to a old rom i backed up,my phone seems to be booting up like it used to.thank you for everyones input.

[Q] Whats the best lag fix for the fascinate?

I just rooted using the super one click root and was wondering what the best lag fix was for the fascinate?

It's all the same lagfix, it's the kernels that are different.
I use Dirk's kernels.
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Voodoo has shown much greater success for me vs. Ryanza's 1 click lagfix. Voodoo is ext4 vs. running loop commands in an ext2 partition for the other. Not to mention the fact that you are giving up about .7 GB with one click lagfix. Quadrant scores are higher on RyanZA's but quadrant scores don't translate directly into real world results. Voodoo and OC until Froyo's arrival. BIG DISCLAIMER!!!!! RTFM before doing anything with either or you will soft brick your phone. Nothing hard about applying voodoo or fixing it if you do happen to brick it if you read the manual.

Old lagfix is old. If you want one, definitely use voodoo. Your options are from Dirk and jt, each with overclock kernels available as well.
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I wouldn't recommend doing any lag fix at this time.
Ryanza's 1 click fix is a "fake" lag fix. It's mainly for faking/improving quadrant scores. Don't even bother. Has little to no real world performance increases.
Voodoo is a true lag fix, however, the current version that exists in the kernels that our out for device (such as jt's and dirk's) are buggy. You may install them ok, and they will work just fine, and they definetly help. However, many people are noticing slowdowns after some usage, that start to negate the improvements. But worse, many people, including myself, are unable to get the "disable_lagfix" working, to shut voodoo off, which is required prior to flashing non-voodoo kernels, or using CWM, etc. If you're one of these people like I was, your phone basically bricks after disabling voodoo and you have to use Adrynalyn's voodoo uninstaller which involves wiping your phone, so you'll lose all your data. I didn't believe that it was a problem until it happened to me, I thought it was just noobs being noobs. however, many skilled people including myself have not gotten voodoo to disable in it's current form.
While there are backup utilities like Ti Backup that work awesome, setting your phone back up from scratch even with backups can be a pain. If you don't like doing such things, I wouldn't bother messing with voodoo for now.
There IS a new voodoo base kernel in development/out now by supercurio. However, it needs to be ported over to the Fascinate for it to work on our phone. This version contains many fixes/improvements, and will hopefully resolve the issues people (like me) have had disabling voodoo. There are no kernels out yet for our phone that yet have this new voodoo.
There is also z4mod on the horizon which is an alternative to voodoo, that allows for greater compatability and may replace the voodoo project for our phones. That should be out soon too.
Basically: if you don't mind the potential to need to wipe your phone to get rid of voodoo, and are a trigger happy flasher - go ahead and flash any kernel you want. But if you wait even a week, I'm sure there will be better kernels out there. Birdmans project looks promising. I'm running his test20 kernel right now.

Protonus said:
I wouldn't recommend doing any lag fix at this time.
Ryanza's 1 click fix is a "fake" lag fix. It's mainly for faking/improving quadrant scores. Don't even bother. Has little to no real world performance increases.
Voodoo is a true lag fix, however, the current version that exists in the kernels that our out for device (such as jt's and dirk's) are buggy. You may install them ok, and they will work just fine, and they definetly help. However, many people are noticing slowdowns after some usage, that start to negate the improvements. But worse, many people, including myself, are unable to get the "disable_lagfix" working, to shut voodoo off, which is required prior to flashing non-voodoo kernels, or using CWM, etc. If you're one of these people like I was, your phone basically bricks after disabling voodoo and you have to use Adrynalyn's voodoo uninstaller which involves wiping your phone, so you'll lose all your data. I didn't believe that it was a problem until it happened to me, I thought it was just noobs being noobs. however, many skilled people including myself have not gotten voodoo to disable in it's current form.
While there are backup utilities like Ti Backup that work awesome, setting your phone back up from scratch even with backups can be a pain. If you don't like doing such things, I wouldn't bother messing with voodoo for now.
There IS a new voodoo base kernel in development/out now by supercurio. However, it needs to be ported over to the Fascinate for it to work on our phone. This version contains many fixes/improvements, and will hopefully resolve the issues people (like me) have had disabling voodoo. There are no kernels out yet for our phone that yet have this new voodoo.
There is also z4mod on the horizon which is an alternative to voodoo, that allows for greater compatability and may replace the voodoo project for our phones. That should be out soon too.
Basically: if you don't mind the potential to need to wipe your phone to get rid of voodoo, and are a trigger happy flasher - go ahead and flash any kernel you want. But if you wait even a week, I'm sure there will be better kernels out there. Birdmans project looks promising. I'm running his test20 kernel right now.
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^ well said ^
the disable_lagfix worked for me, luckily; now i'm running a clean rom with no voodoo and no overclock - works great without either of these (more stable and still very fast!)

Protonus said:
I wouldn't recommend doing any lag fix at this time.
Ryanza's 1 click fix is a "fake" lag fix. It's mainly for faking/improving quadrant scores. Don't even bother. Has little to no real world performance increases.
Voodoo is a true lag fix, however, the current version that exists in the kernels that our out for device (such as jt's and dirk's) are buggy. You may install them ok, and they will work just fine, and they definetly help. However, many people are noticing slowdowns after some usage, that start to negate the improvements.
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I've found that the "slowdowns" really only occur on the Overclocked Voodoo kernels. I've been on the 0.2 Voodoo kernel (with no OC) and have found that it's been consistently fast with no lag, lockups, or slowdowns whatsoever (I've been running it for weeks). It's been stable as a rock. Your point is well noted on the reported removal issues (as well as your own experience) and the effects of the OC'd kernels though.

FWIW, I'm one of the apparently few people that actually did notice real-world performance increases using the "old" lag fix. It is most noticeable with applications that do a lot of read/writes to the /data/data and cache directories (web browsers, for example). There is, of course, still lag when installing or loading applications themselves, because those don't get stored in the virtual partition, but that's not quite as big of a deal.
I will say that it is without a doubt much less risky than the voodoo one, as I have enabled and disabled it two or three times without any issues whatsoever. I'm very nervous about messing around with voodoo as it appears there's a good chance of bricking my phone. I have decided to wait until Froyo comes out, and see if there is still any lag after that that would warrant a lag fix of any kind. If there is still lag, I'll probably wait for an actual custom Froyo ROM instead of just swapping kernels around. Until then, my phone is fast enough.
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ivorycruncher said:
There is, of course, still lag when installing or loading applications themselves, because those don't get stored in the virtual partition, but that's not quite as big of a deal.
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Lolwut?
I think you are confused on how the lag fix works.
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Thanks
guys i really appreciate all of your input you have been really helpful...i am coming from the original droid and i was flash happy but the fascinate seems a bit more complicated as of now i am trying to research alot right now and really hoping for some froyo because i truly do miss it. so i think i might just keep it rooted and give it a few weeks and see whats on the horizon

I hear you, I am in the same boat. A little harder to find the info here as well. But there is a lot of great info here and helpful people!
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adrynalyne said:
Lolwut?
I think you are confused on how the lag fix works.
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Nope, I went through every line of code in the setup script, and I know exactly how it works. It simply creates a virtual ext2 partition within a data file that contains your /data/data, /data/system, and /data/dalvik-cache directories. The apps themselves (apk files) are stored in /data/app, so they're still on the physical RFS partition, which has slower read/write times.
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ivorycruncher said:
Nope, I went through every line of code in the setup script, and I know exactly how it works. It simply creates a virtual ext2 partition within a data file that contains your /data/data, /data/system, and /data/dalvik-cache directories. The apps themselves (apk files) are stored in /data/app, so they're still on the physical RFS partition, which has slower read/write times.
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Now I definitely know you are confused.
I'll give you a hint:
pssst: RFS is only slow on writing.

adrynalyne said:
Now I definitely know you are confused.
I'll give you a hint:
pssst: RFS is only slow on writing.
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This is getting interesting... Popcorn anyone?

No worries, I am done. Some of these guys are interesting because they don't actually know what the lag fix is for

adrynalyne said:
No worries, I am done. Some of these guys are interesting because they don't actually know what the lag fix is for
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Okay, I admit, I didn't know it was just the write speed that was an issue. However, I don't appreciate the fact that you made it sound like everything I said was incorrect, because that's not true. While loading apps may not be any faster, I still see my phone slow to a crawl when installing new apps, during which there are obviously write operations occurring. But like I said before, not that big of a deal. The data and cache folders are what really matter, as data frequently gets written to those directories.
I'm well aware that the virtual ext2 partition is not as good as a true physical ext4 partition, but it's still better than RFS, and the extra benefit Voodoo brings is not worth the risk of bricking my phone, in my opinion. Anyway, 'nuff said.
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Thinking of moving from my incredible to a fascinate and i see a lot of posts about "lag." After playing with one in the store I'm wondering if it is lag associated with the UI (swipe between home screens for instance) which seems way slower than the incredible or lag only associated with installing programs. I love the hardware, but honestly Touchwiz seems a bit slow overall for a phone with such outstanding hardware. Does the "lag fix" improve this as well?

ivorycruncher said:
Okay, I admit, I didn't know it was just the write speed that was an issue. However, I don't appreciate the fact that you made it sound like everything I said was incorrect, because that's not true. While loading apps may not be any faster, I still see my phone slow to a crawl when installing new apps, during which there are obviously write operations occurring. But like I said before, not that big of a deal. The data and cache folders are what really matter, as data frequently gets written to those directories.
I'm well aware that the virtual ext2 partition is not as good as a true physical ext4 partition, but it's still better than RFS, and the extra benefit Voodoo brings is not worth the risk of bricking my phone, in my opinion. Anyway, 'nuff said.
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Voodoo has yet to brick a phone.
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nmyeti said:
Thinking of moving from my incredible to a fascinate and i see a lot of posts about "lag." After playing with one in the store I'm wondering if it is lag associated with the UI (swipe between home screens for instance) which seems way slower than the incredible or lag only associated with installing programs. I love the hardware, but honestly Touchwiz seems a bit slow overall for a phone with such outstanding hardware. Does the "lag fix" improve this as well?
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That is mostly the crappy Verizon bloatware and all the crap that runs all the time as a result. Flash a ROM like jt's clean rom and you'll see how fast TouchWiz can really be.
that being said, ditch touchwiz anyways and get Launcher Pro, which is all around better...
The lag fixes help with the reading and writing of data to the internal memory of the phone, which is formatted using a propiretary RFS format, rather than a more common / faster one like ext4. So you'll see the speed improvements doing things like writing/reading from a database (such as pulling up a list of all your installed programs), or when installing an app from the market, etc. While the phone with a clean ROM (like JT1134's super clean) is VERY fast, and even faster over clocked, you'll notice on the stock kernel, sometimes it doesn't seem as fast as it should be doing somethings, for a moment, like it pauses. This is the "lag" in question.
It's really not that bad, either way, once you have a clean ROM, and a better kernel loaded.
I can pretty much guarantee you'll love the Fascinate vs. an Incredible once you hack it up a bit Get the kickstand case ;-)

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nmyeti said:
Thinking of moving from my incredible to a fascinate and i see a lot of posts about "lag." After playing with one in the store I'm wondering if it is lag associated with the UI (swipe between home screens for instance) which seems way slower than the incredible or lag only associated with installing programs. I love the hardware, but honestly Touchwiz seems a bit slow overall for a phone with such outstanding hardware. Does the "lag fix" improve this as well?
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Anyone else hate EXT4?

i cant stand EXT4. every rom i tried with it just seemed way laggier than i ever experienced with RFS.
my issues have been my battery draining a lot quicker, mms sometimes wont send, takes forever to get a GPS lock, sound stutters (music and notifications), games lag... and other ones i cant think of at the moment,
ive tried Quantum, Bonsai, and Viper. they just seem much more buggy to me on EXT4. so im switching back to RFS.
anyone else have these issues?

ksmullins88 said:
i cant stand EXT4. every rom i tried with it just seemed way laggier than i ever experienced with RFS.
my issues have been my battery draining a lot quicker, mms sometimes wont send, takes forever to get a GPS lock, sound stutters (music and notifications), games lag... and other ones i cant think of at the moment,
ive tried Quantum, Bonsai, and Viper. they just seem much more buggy to me on EXT4. so im switching back to RFS.
anyone else have these issues?
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noobnl told me that he and others were doing everything they could to use RFS only. If those guys don't want EXT4 then there's definitely something up...

Mine's more responsive than its ever been (except for screen rotate) running quantum 2.7 EXT4 and xjman's modified libdvm.so. personally, I think the whole "EXT4 will kill your phone" stuff is a kneejerk reaction to a non-issue. Those of us that are reflashing a few times a week via odin or updating roms through cwm are going to wear the NAND more than simply running EXT4. :shrug: personally, I'm going to continue to run EXT4 and I'm not going to loose a wink of sleep over it.
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SubnetMask said:
Mine's more responsive than its ever been (except for screen rotate) running quantum 2.7 EXT4 and xjman's modified libdvm.so. personally, I think the whole "EXT4 will kill your phone" stuff is a kneejerk reaction to a non-issue. Those of us that are reflashing a few times a week via odin or updating roms through cwm are going to wear the NAND more than simply running EXT4. :shrug: personally, I'm going to continue to run EXT4 and I'm not going to loose a wink of sleep over it.
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+1..
I don't have any issues. Infact I've seen improvements
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ksmullins88 said:
i cant stand EXT4. every rom i tried with it just seemed way laggier than i ever experienced with RFS.
my issues have been my battery draining a lot quicker, mms sometimes wont send, takes forever to get a GPS lock, sound stutters (music and notifications), games lag... and other ones i cant think of at the moment,
ive tried Quantum, Bonsai, and Viper. they just seem much more buggy to me on EXT4. so im switching back to RFS.
anyone else have these issues?
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Maybe you should try odining a different "version" of dk28. I know dameon mentioned stuff about certain preparations of dk28 not working well.
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Its just way too much flashing, more steps and headache in EXT4 or maybe im just lazy. I like simple that's why i will stay with RFS.

ive gone back to eclair with syndicate rom and xtreme kernal. Froyo and / or EXT4 are not ready for primetime yet IMO

EXT4 lags for me as well so I'm in the process of going back to RFS as I type this. Actually starting over from DI18 and videoing it as well

I love Ext4. Made my phone more responsive along with the custom lib. I don't really see where it's that much more flashing once you install it you are done.

I've given ext4 a shot for about a week with a few different roms, and I'm not impressed at all. Seems to run worse.
Actually, I'm getting sick of DK28 in general. I think it's time to go back to 2.1.

No problems for me at all. Runs better if anything. Running Nebula ROM 1.06

I like EXT4 myself...I dont think we should go backwards,this is improvment plain and simple.
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I switched to EXT4 as soon as it came out and I have seen nothing but improvements. Have you tried the midNIGHT ROM? ptfdmedic's stuff runs as smooth as glass.

DK28 in general is not that great (it is unfinished afterall) and i've been back on 2.1 for some time now and the difference is like night and day. Battery actually lasts, phone is responsive, GPS performs much better, e.t.c.
Those eschewing the valour of EXT4 and DK28, kudos to you, but it is not great in my opinion having been through it all.

jirafabo said:
noobnl told me that he and others were doing everything they could to use RFS only. If those guys don't want EXT4 then there's definitely something up...
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It's a war of egos, nothing more. This is demonstrated by the complete lack of definitive proof offered in the argument (and I've been present for a lot more detailed arguments in IRC about the subject between noobnl and Dameon than have been present on this forum).
One side of the argument consists almost solely of "Well then why doesn't the Nexus S use EXT4 for the system directory?" on one side and "EXT4 performs better and has not been proven to perform more writes."
I have a lot of respect for noobnl and his contributions to the community, but you can't make a statement that EXT4 is going to cause people's phones to fail and not back it up with any kind of real logic or proof. However, counter-arguments from some very well-informed individuals have been made citing plenty of evidence that EXT4 will not harm your phone.
And lastly, you risk your phone every time you flash a ROM... something could go wrong, and you could brick your phone. This is much more of a risk than accelerated NAND block corruption is. We're not going to stop flashing our phones though, are we?
Regarding the OP regarding EXT4 performance, mine runs flawlessly. I haven't seen the stuttering some people have been reporting, my battery performance seems about even with RFS if not perhaps slightly higher, and perhaps it's my imagination but the phone seems ever-so-slightly more responsive. I've also checked my bad block count a few times over the last week and a half and I have the same number I did the day after I switched to EXT4. I've got no reason to go back to RFS...

Maybe the performance difference for people is no_journal mod vs those without the mod. I'm running Nebula with ext4 and have noticed some sluggishness/lagginess that wasn't there on ACS Syndicate (2.1), but i can't compare to RFS DK28, because i went straight to ext4 when i went to DK28. Can folks comment on whether or not they are running ext4 w/ no_journal mod?

Yeaa, maybe its the no journaling that's causing the responsiveness. Idk. I might try it again in a few weeks. But my phone was just pissin me off by doing the stupid little things. Plus, there isn't many files that support edify yet.
Imo, I think we should finalize one version before upgrading to an entirely new file system. It just seems to be more problematic to me.
So do you guys that like ext4 use the no journals?

I had a lot of lag with Bonsai4all with EXT4, was bout to give up, but decided to re-do it all and go to Nebula 1.06 and thing screams. I would try another ROM if you are having issues with EXT4, but thats just me...

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I had a lot of lag with Bonsai4all with EXT4, was bout to give up, but decided to re-do it all and go to Nebula 1.06 and thing screams. I would try another ROM if you are having issues with EXT4, but thats just me...
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Well, I have... I tried three different ones. Bonsai, viper, and quantum... all three lagged like crazy
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And you are using the OTA, non-deoxed Dk28 to start from? I've heard that is key for EXT4.

[Q] Help a fellow Epic user out please!

So I'm really struggling here. I hate using stock ROM's because the battery life really blows and they are slow.
I've flashed a number of custom ROM's that speed up the phone significantly and drastically improve battery life. The only problem is after a few days of use I almost always start to get intermittent problems like random reboots, force closes and texts not going through etc.
I always follow the install instructions to a "t" and I still get problems. I must be missing a step somewhere along the way or not fully understand the cons of running custom ROM's or something.
I'm at my wits end. At one time I thought it must be the phone so I swapped with Sprint but I still have the same problems.
Currently I am running Scrambled EGgs22 V7 and I love it (when it works). I've tried bonsai, urban roms, you name it. Its the same results with every one. They work fantastic at first and then slowly become unusable.
Is there anybody out there who has experienced something similar to this and can help me remedy?

Having journaling enabled does help with data corruption if you find yourself having to start over a lot due to force closes.
Are you under/overclocking and/or undervolting at all? IIRC, stock speeds are ~400/1000Mhz.

Sounds like journaling is youjr answer. Make sure it is enabled and never pull the battery without shutting the phone completely down..after the vibration.
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Kafluke said:
So I'm really struggling here. I hate using stock ROM's because the battery life really blows and they are slow.
I've flashed a number of custom ROM's that speed up the phone significantly and drastically improve battery life. The only problem is after a few days of use I almost always start to get intermittent problems like random reboots, force closes and texts not going through etc.
I always follow the install instructions to a "t" and I still get problems. I must be missing a step somewhere along the way or not fully understand the cons of running custom ROM's or something.
I'm at my wits end. At one time I thought it must be the phone so I swapped with Sprint but I still have the same problems.
Currently I am running Scrambled EGgs22 V7 and I love it (when it works). I've tried bonsai, urban roms, you name it. Its the same results with every one. They work fantastic at first and then slowly become unusable.
Is there anybody out there who has experienced something similar to this and can help me remedy?
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Kafluke said:
So I'm really struggling here. I hate using stock ROM's because the battery life really blows and they are slow.
That's about the biggest lie over stock.. I started with a custom rom and it sucked the world's biggest donkey balls on battery life. It can last me the whole day on EC05. Just gotta learn how to optimize bro.
SchizioPunk's Epic Experience 2.1 Eclair -> Odin to EC05 Froyo. Rooted. Bloatware Removed. Voodoo Sound V9 Module Loaded. TouchWiz4. Enjoying my Customized Stock Experience.
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Run 'Fix Permissions' from Rom Manager. That has solved FC problems for me in the past.

Have you tried reformatting your SD card? If it has gotten mucked up, I imagine that could start causing issues.

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Run 'Fix Permissions' from Rom Manager. That has solved FC problems for me in the past.
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Dont forget clearing dalvik and cache does also. I'm assuming people think that'll erase their stuff but It doesn't.
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So how do I turn on journaling exactly?

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So how do I turn on journaling exactly?
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Edit: there should be a zip file that came with Epicurean to enable journaling.
There I a zip file that you can flash. I'll look for it
Posted by Mr. Z's Epic 4G.

I can't win. I enabled Journaling and my performance and speed went to crap. I guess I either have to suffer through the crappy stock rom or deal with force closes and random crapiness with a custom rom.

Kafluke said:
I can't win. I enabled Journaling and my performance and speed went to crap. I guess I either have to suffer through the crappy stock rom or deal with force closes and random crapiness with a custom rom.
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If you want to disable journaling then just make sure to never shutdown your phone improperly or drop it and keep good backups to restore from. I like to do a nand every 3 or 4 days then I can always do a restore advanced data only.
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kennyglass123 said:
If you want to disable journaling then just make sure to never shutdown your phone improperly or drop it and keep good backups to restore from. I like to do a nand every 3 or 4 days then I can always do a restore advanced data only.
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Are you serious? I don't ever drop my phone or shut it down improperly. I shouldn't have to back up my phone and restore twice a week in order to have a working device.I should be able to use this 400 dollar device without restoring it every fourth day or charging it twice a day.

Did you try the stock EG22 leak? Thats what I use, deodexed from decadence with the plus kernal from chris41g. It performs well and is the best battery life I ever had.

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Are you serious? I don't ever drop my phone or shut it down improperly. I shouldn't have to back up my phone and restore twice a week in order to have a working device.I should be able to use this 400 dollar device without restoring it every fourth day or charging it twice a day.
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True, that is why your $400 device comes with stock ROMs that are RFS so none of these FCs happen unless a third party app is written poorly. If you run custom ROMs these are the chances and prices you pay.
A $2000 computer still requires regular backups for the very same reason.

Kafluke said:
Are you serious? I don't ever drop my phone or shut it down improperly. I shouldn't have to back up my phone and restore twice a week in order to have a working device.I should be able to use this 400 dollar device without restoring it every fourth day or charging it twice a day.
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BUT! Your forgetting something: you paid $400 for a phone
which Sammy provided to you via the vender of your choice with a STOCK ROM preloaded which works that way they have wanted.
Now from the moment you came over to the dark side and preloaded a rom there are good things and bad things that come with the package and you can't blame sammy for them.
Also, this is the world of trial and error: what may work fine for 500 phones will not work sometimes with yours. Every part of your phone though it could of been made the same day and from the same batch of my phone, are different and this will make you have different results.
Keep that in mind, your in a world that pose much risk to your device, but that's the fun part! Taking the risk and rolling with it!
Sent from an Epic with 4G

I am running SFR 1.2 with journaling on and can get all day with 3 to 4 hours screen on time , no force closes or any problems and all the smooth and fast goodness that comes with the rom.
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BUT! Your forgetting something: you paid $400 for a phone
which Sammy provided to you via the vender of your choice with a STOCK ROM preloaded which works that way they have wanted.
Now from the moment you came over to the dark side and preloaded a rom there are good things and bad things that come with the package and you can't blame sammy for them.
Also, this is the world of trial and error: what may work fine for 500 phones will not work sometimes with yours. Every part of your phone though it could of been made the same day and from the same batch of my phone, are different and this will make you have different results.
Keep that in mind, your in a world that pose much risk to your device, but that's the fun part! Taking the risk and rolling with it!
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I don't have any problems with the stock rom. I'd love to have a stock rom that doesn't blow on battery life.
I understand that there are risks and pros and cons with custom roms but I can't seem to get a custom rom that is stable in any way shape or form. I assume that its my fault because I don't see anybody else having the same problems.
I guess I'm just looking for some help in getting a "half decent" custom rom experience but I can't even get that far. Without fail, every time I load a custom rom I get force closes and random issues. Then I go back to stock rom and I'm charging after two hours of use. I can't win.
@mark8503 I'll give that stock EG22 leak a shot and see what happens.
Thank you for everyone's help!

@mark8503
I assuming this is the stock rom you speak of:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1183558
and this is the kernel:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1185221
Please confirm.

IMO, if turning journaling on slowed down your phone enough for you to notice, something went wrong
I've run the on and off zips, and the difference is hard to see
Also, since RFS has a journal feature, I can't see how EXT4 with journaling on would be slower, all other factors being the same
You want stable and solid, ODIN an EC05 modem, install SRF 1.2, do you voltage setting, and call it a day
If you want the bleeding edge, you just have to accept you need precautions, as on the edge, **** happens.
Pick your poison and go with it
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5:50 pm and battery is awesome! So far so good, this deodexed stock EG22 is running great, no FC's, no random reboots and battery life is excellent with chris41gs kernel. I just hope I didn't jinx it.
I'll report back after a few days of use.