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[Q] Whats the best lag fix for the fascinate?

I just rooted using the super one click root and was wondering what the best lag fix was for the fascinate?

It's all the same lagfix, it's the kernels that are different.
I use Dirk's kernels.
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Voodoo has shown much greater success for me vs. Ryanza's 1 click lagfix. Voodoo is ext4 vs. running loop commands in an ext2 partition for the other. Not to mention the fact that you are giving up about .7 GB with one click lagfix. Quadrant scores are higher on RyanZA's but quadrant scores don't translate directly into real world results. Voodoo and OC until Froyo's arrival. BIG DISCLAIMER!!!!! RTFM before doing anything with either or you will soft brick your phone. Nothing hard about applying voodoo or fixing it if you do happen to brick it if you read the manual.

Old lagfix is old. If you want one, definitely use voodoo. Your options are from Dirk and jt, each with overclock kernels available as well.
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I wouldn't recommend doing any lag fix at this time.
Ryanza's 1 click fix is a "fake" lag fix. It's mainly for faking/improving quadrant scores. Don't even bother. Has little to no real world performance increases.
Voodoo is a true lag fix, however, the current version that exists in the kernels that our out for device (such as jt's and dirk's) are buggy. You may install them ok, and they will work just fine, and they definetly help. However, many people are noticing slowdowns after some usage, that start to negate the improvements. But worse, many people, including myself, are unable to get the "disable_lagfix" working, to shut voodoo off, which is required prior to flashing non-voodoo kernels, or using CWM, etc. If you're one of these people like I was, your phone basically bricks after disabling voodoo and you have to use Adrynalyn's voodoo uninstaller which involves wiping your phone, so you'll lose all your data. I didn't believe that it was a problem until it happened to me, I thought it was just noobs being noobs. however, many skilled people including myself have not gotten voodoo to disable in it's current form.
While there are backup utilities like Ti Backup that work awesome, setting your phone back up from scratch even with backups can be a pain. If you don't like doing such things, I wouldn't bother messing with voodoo for now.
There IS a new voodoo base kernel in development/out now by supercurio. However, it needs to be ported over to the Fascinate for it to work on our phone. This version contains many fixes/improvements, and will hopefully resolve the issues people (like me) have had disabling voodoo. There are no kernels out yet for our phone that yet have this new voodoo.
There is also z4mod on the horizon which is an alternative to voodoo, that allows for greater compatability and may replace the voodoo project for our phones. That should be out soon too.
Basically: if you don't mind the potential to need to wipe your phone to get rid of voodoo, and are a trigger happy flasher - go ahead and flash any kernel you want. But if you wait even a week, I'm sure there will be better kernels out there. Birdmans project looks promising. I'm running his test20 kernel right now.

Protonus said:
I wouldn't recommend doing any lag fix at this time.
Ryanza's 1 click fix is a "fake" lag fix. It's mainly for faking/improving quadrant scores. Don't even bother. Has little to no real world performance increases.
Voodoo is a true lag fix, however, the current version that exists in the kernels that our out for device (such as jt's and dirk's) are buggy. You may install them ok, and they will work just fine, and they definetly help. However, many people are noticing slowdowns after some usage, that start to negate the improvements. But worse, many people, including myself, are unable to get the "disable_lagfix" working, to shut voodoo off, which is required prior to flashing non-voodoo kernels, or using CWM, etc. If you're one of these people like I was, your phone basically bricks after disabling voodoo and you have to use Adrynalyn's voodoo uninstaller which involves wiping your phone, so you'll lose all your data. I didn't believe that it was a problem until it happened to me, I thought it was just noobs being noobs. however, many skilled people including myself have not gotten voodoo to disable in it's current form.
While there are backup utilities like Ti Backup that work awesome, setting your phone back up from scratch even with backups can be a pain. If you don't like doing such things, I wouldn't bother messing with voodoo for now.
There IS a new voodoo base kernel in development/out now by supercurio. However, it needs to be ported over to the Fascinate for it to work on our phone. This version contains many fixes/improvements, and will hopefully resolve the issues people (like me) have had disabling voodoo. There are no kernels out yet for our phone that yet have this new voodoo.
There is also z4mod on the horizon which is an alternative to voodoo, that allows for greater compatability and may replace the voodoo project for our phones. That should be out soon too.
Basically: if you don't mind the potential to need to wipe your phone to get rid of voodoo, and are a trigger happy flasher - go ahead and flash any kernel you want. But if you wait even a week, I'm sure there will be better kernels out there. Birdmans project looks promising. I'm running his test20 kernel right now.
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^ well said ^
the disable_lagfix worked for me, luckily; now i'm running a clean rom with no voodoo and no overclock - works great without either of these (more stable and still very fast!)

Protonus said:
I wouldn't recommend doing any lag fix at this time.
Ryanza's 1 click fix is a "fake" lag fix. It's mainly for faking/improving quadrant scores. Don't even bother. Has little to no real world performance increases.
Voodoo is a true lag fix, however, the current version that exists in the kernels that our out for device (such as jt's and dirk's) are buggy. You may install them ok, and they will work just fine, and they definetly help. However, many people are noticing slowdowns after some usage, that start to negate the improvements.
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I've found that the "slowdowns" really only occur on the Overclocked Voodoo kernels. I've been on the 0.2 Voodoo kernel (with no OC) and have found that it's been consistently fast with no lag, lockups, or slowdowns whatsoever (I've been running it for weeks). It's been stable as a rock. Your point is well noted on the reported removal issues (as well as your own experience) and the effects of the OC'd kernels though.

FWIW, I'm one of the apparently few people that actually did notice real-world performance increases using the "old" lag fix. It is most noticeable with applications that do a lot of read/writes to the /data/data and cache directories (web browsers, for example). There is, of course, still lag when installing or loading applications themselves, because those don't get stored in the virtual partition, but that's not quite as big of a deal.
I will say that it is without a doubt much less risky than the voodoo one, as I have enabled and disabled it two or three times without any issues whatsoever. I'm very nervous about messing around with voodoo as it appears there's a good chance of bricking my phone. I have decided to wait until Froyo comes out, and see if there is still any lag after that that would warrant a lag fix of any kind. If there is still lag, I'll probably wait for an actual custom Froyo ROM instead of just swapping kernels around. Until then, my phone is fast enough.
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ivorycruncher said:
There is, of course, still lag when installing or loading applications themselves, because those don't get stored in the virtual partition, but that's not quite as big of a deal.
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Lolwut?
I think you are confused on how the lag fix works.
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Thanks
guys i really appreciate all of your input you have been really helpful...i am coming from the original droid and i was flash happy but the fascinate seems a bit more complicated as of now i am trying to research alot right now and really hoping for some froyo because i truly do miss it. so i think i might just keep it rooted and give it a few weeks and see whats on the horizon

I hear you, I am in the same boat. A little harder to find the info here as well. But there is a lot of great info here and helpful people!
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adrynalyne said:
Lolwut?
I think you are confused on how the lag fix works.
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Nope, I went through every line of code in the setup script, and I know exactly how it works. It simply creates a virtual ext2 partition within a data file that contains your /data/data, /data/system, and /data/dalvik-cache directories. The apps themselves (apk files) are stored in /data/app, so they're still on the physical RFS partition, which has slower read/write times.
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ivorycruncher said:
Nope, I went through every line of code in the setup script, and I know exactly how it works. It simply creates a virtual ext2 partition within a data file that contains your /data/data, /data/system, and /data/dalvik-cache directories. The apps themselves (apk files) are stored in /data/app, so they're still on the physical RFS partition, which has slower read/write times.
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Now I definitely know you are confused.
I'll give you a hint:
pssst: RFS is only slow on writing.

adrynalyne said:
Now I definitely know you are confused.
I'll give you a hint:
pssst: RFS is only slow on writing.
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This is getting interesting... Popcorn anyone?

No worries, I am done. Some of these guys are interesting because they don't actually know what the lag fix is for

adrynalyne said:
No worries, I am done. Some of these guys are interesting because they don't actually know what the lag fix is for
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Okay, I admit, I didn't know it was just the write speed that was an issue. However, I don't appreciate the fact that you made it sound like everything I said was incorrect, because that's not true. While loading apps may not be any faster, I still see my phone slow to a crawl when installing new apps, during which there are obviously write operations occurring. But like I said before, not that big of a deal. The data and cache folders are what really matter, as data frequently gets written to those directories.
I'm well aware that the virtual ext2 partition is not as good as a true physical ext4 partition, but it's still better than RFS, and the extra benefit Voodoo brings is not worth the risk of bricking my phone, in my opinion. Anyway, 'nuff said.
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Thinking of moving from my incredible to a fascinate and i see a lot of posts about "lag." After playing with one in the store I'm wondering if it is lag associated with the UI (swipe between home screens for instance) which seems way slower than the incredible or lag only associated with installing programs. I love the hardware, but honestly Touchwiz seems a bit slow overall for a phone with such outstanding hardware. Does the "lag fix" improve this as well?

ivorycruncher said:
Okay, I admit, I didn't know it was just the write speed that was an issue. However, I don't appreciate the fact that you made it sound like everything I said was incorrect, because that's not true. While loading apps may not be any faster, I still see my phone slow to a crawl when installing new apps, during which there are obviously write operations occurring. But like I said before, not that big of a deal. The data and cache folders are what really matter, as data frequently gets written to those directories.
I'm well aware that the virtual ext2 partition is not as good as a true physical ext4 partition, but it's still better than RFS, and the extra benefit Voodoo brings is not worth the risk of bricking my phone, in my opinion. Anyway, 'nuff said.
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Voodoo has yet to brick a phone.
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nmyeti said:
Thinking of moving from my incredible to a fascinate and i see a lot of posts about "lag." After playing with one in the store I'm wondering if it is lag associated with the UI (swipe between home screens for instance) which seems way slower than the incredible or lag only associated with installing programs. I love the hardware, but honestly Touchwiz seems a bit slow overall for a phone with such outstanding hardware. Does the "lag fix" improve this as well?
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That is mostly the crappy Verizon bloatware and all the crap that runs all the time as a result. Flash a ROM like jt's clean rom and you'll see how fast TouchWiz can really be.
that being said, ditch touchwiz anyways and get Launcher Pro, which is all around better...
The lag fixes help with the reading and writing of data to the internal memory of the phone, which is formatted using a propiretary RFS format, rather than a more common / faster one like ext4. So you'll see the speed improvements doing things like writing/reading from a database (such as pulling up a list of all your installed programs), or when installing an app from the market, etc. While the phone with a clean ROM (like JT1134's super clean) is VERY fast, and even faster over clocked, you'll notice on the stock kernel, sometimes it doesn't seem as fast as it should be doing somethings, for a moment, like it pauses. This is the "lag" in question.
It's really not that bad, either way, once you have a clean ROM, and a better kernel loaded.
I can pretty much guarantee you'll love the Fascinate vs. an Incredible once you hack it up a bit Get the kickstand case ;-)

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nmyeti said:
Thinking of moving from my incredible to a fascinate and i see a lot of posts about "lag." After playing with one in the store I'm wondering if it is lag associated with the UI (swipe between home screens for instance) which seems way slower than the incredible or lag only associated with installing programs. I love the hardware, but honestly Touchwiz seems a bit slow overall for a phone with such outstanding hardware. Does the "lag fix" improve this as well?
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Ext4 real world results

I have my setup in my sig and I'm happy with it but I'm really curious about the ext4. I've read some posts and some people say it makes their phone faster and some dont notice a whole lot. I'm just wondering if it's worth the hassle for me to do cause I'm on a dk28 extended so first I would have to Odin to the regular dk28. So for those who have done it how is it? If you notice anything where does the phone seem faster at? I just want to get some feedback so I can make my mind up if I even feel like doing it. Thanks and happy new year!

musclehead84 said:
I have my setup in my sig and I'm happy with it but I'm really curious about the ext4. I've read some posts and some people say it makes their phone faster and some dont notice a whole lot. I'm just wondering if it's worth the hassle for me to do cause I'm on a dk28 extended so first I would have to Odin to the regular dk28. So for those who have done it how is it? If you notice anything where does the phone seem faster at? I just want to get some feedback so I can make my mind up if I even feel like doing it. Thanks and happy new year!
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1st you don't have to re odin if you are on the dk28 extended...all you need is to b rooted and have clockwork installed. I definitely noticed a speed boost on midnight rom
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Oh the last time I read they said it should be used on the regular stock rom not the extended. Well that takes out a lot of steps for me then.

musclehead84 said:
Oh the last time I read they said it should be used on the regular stock rom not the extended. Well that takes out a lot of steps for me then.
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The whole procedure takes 5 minutes and my Epic is almost twice as fast!
Web pages load faster,etc,sht everything is faster and the lag is gone!Best mod for Epic,now my samsung feels smooth like htc.

Ran it for a day before I dropped my Epic and ruined it, and I didn't notice this ground shaking fastness everyone is talking about. The phone seemed pretty snappy, but it has always felt that way.

Two words ...No Lag!!
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I was wondering about this, too.
On the Moment, everyone was doing an Ext2 mod that was supposed to make the phone fly. It didn't, it just mmade it more unstable and decreased boot time. It did increase the quadrant score, but only because quadrant weighs I/O so heavily.

I would love for someone to make a video comparing the difference between having it and not having it. The differences should be very apparent in a comparison video with the same number of apps installed and everything.

Ya just need to try it,its more stable than tfs and way faster.

Boot time and shut down time are virtually cut in half.
When you do the following w/ RFS > long press home screen > add > shortcut > applications [insert delay here while it builds applist]
doing the same thing w/ EXT4 = no delay to 'build app list'
I'm using spare parts as well and w/ transitions set to fast etc.. it seems as if my phone opens apps, windows, screens, etc. before my finger hits the screen. It's so damn snappy it's unreal.
The members that I've seen that have not noticed improvements such as this have done a restore from a RFS based ROM..
I have not done a data restore at all.. Sucks, but I wanted a fresh install and didn't wanna taint my virgin EXT4 file system w/ RFS herpes LMFAO
Third and final point (for me) is battery life is tremendously improved w/ EXT4 vs RFS in my opinion.. I've been streaming heavily (w/ wifi to be fair) and my battery life is superb.
And if you wind up noticing something different, it only takes a few minutes w/ odin to return to stock and remove the EXT4 stuff.
Hope this helps.

daddymikey1975 said:
The members that I've seen that have not noticed improvements such as this have done a restore from a RFS based ROM..
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Restoring the data folder from an RFS based rom? I didn't think that would cause any ill effects, but maybe that is why i didn't notice any major differences.

Well you all talked me into it. I am going to start fresh. I'm going to Odin a fresh dk28 and root it and go from there. Guess I'll put midnight rom on till bonsai gets his done.

musclehead84 said:
Well you all talked me into it. I am going to start fresh. I'm going to Odin a fresh dk28 and root it and go from there. Guess I'll put midnight rom on till bonsai gets his done.
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Make sure when you flash your rom dont flash it within Clockwork 2.5.5 but boot into clockwork 2.5.5 and go to "advanced" and "reboot clockwork",after you do this it will take you into modded Clockwork 2.5.1.2(something like that".Flash your rom from the modded Clocwork and not the regular one,because flashing your rom from the regular Clockwork will reformat your sht back to rfs.
And after flashing your rom dont forget to flash the Ext4 kernel before you exit Clockwork.

musclehead84 said:
Well you all talked me into it. I am going to start fresh. I'm going to Odin a fresh dk28 and root it and go from there. Guess I'll put midnight rom on till bonsai gets his done.
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Try it out cause I can tell you the phone feels snappier and just quicker all around! As for the the guy that said his phone is twice as fast I can promise you it is NOT! You do not have to Odin like they said just make sure you have clockwork with redirector installed! It is a quick process and overall you will be happy with the results. I also agree with you that my phone ran very well before I formatted to the new file system. It was smooth and quick but this is an easy mod and like I said you are just going to notice the difference ever so slightly but it is well worth it!
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So every time I flash a new rom that I flash it in the new cwm and then I flash the kernel right after? I guess flashing themes doesn't change? Thanks for the input guys.

musclehead84 said:
Well you all talked me into it. I am going to start fresh. I'm going to Odin a fresh dk28 and root it and go from there. Guess I'll put midnight rom on till bonsai gets his done.
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Midnights rom is ual boot so you don't have to odin back to stock. He also has a really simplified way to get ext4 on ur phone in only 3 steps
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musclehead84 said:
So every time I flash a new rom that I flash it in the new cwm and then I flash the kernel right after? I guess flashing themes doesn't change? Thanks for the input guys.
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After you formated to Ext4 anything that you flash(themes,apps,etc..) flash it in the cmw 2.5.1.2(it will say it on the bottom of cmw),only thing that is safe to flash in old cmw(2.5.5) is kernels.

Do u have to flash the ext kernel after a rom change? I've seen conflicting answers?

Since changing to ext4 its generally faster and smoother, not a huge increase but noticiable. When going to add widgets or application shortcuts its way faster, the apps list loads almost instantly and you can scroll to the bottom with no lag or stuttering. Gallery seems much faster then dk28 with rfs too. Apps load faster in general, animations between screens look smoother and it boots quicker. Dungeon Defenders plays a little better, it doesn't chug as much during big battles.

Ok if I do try this and I don't notice a whole lot can I boot into cwm and restore back to my bonsai rom like the way it is now? Would I have to do that thru the new or old cwm? Thanks

Voodoo 5

Is it worth going too? Pros cons?
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Psst...search function...
But to answer your question, it really depends on you and how you use your phone. Eveyone will have different pros/cons based on their individual experience. If you think you need it then go for it, if you're unsure then don't.
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zachsx said:
Is it worth going too? Pros cons?
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As was said, a lot depends on how you use your phone.
I was always down on Voodoo because of the potential problems it can cause, but I gave it a try a week or so ago. Honestly, I haven't seen much if any improvement in speed, but I probably don't do the type of things that would benefit the most from it - frequent read/writes to the file system. I think for general use, it really doesn't offer much.
That said, there's nothing wrong with it, a Voodoo kernel installs just like any other, it does it's conversion to EXT4 automatically, and it also converts back to RFS automatically after you set it to do so.
Even though I haven't noticed much of an improvement in performance, I figure I'll stick with it mostly for the new red Clockwork recovery.
The only con is that you have to make sure to disable the lagfix and convert the file system back to rfs BEFORE flashign a non-Voodoo kernel. Aside from that, there's really no other cons.
Just make sure you fully understand what's it's doing and how to disable it when/if need be.

Doesn't change a whole lot. I found a few apps load and operate much more smoothly, with a slight (maybe just placebo affect) increase in responsiveness. It really is not all that complicated to install, and I had zero issues with it. I stayed away after seeing all the horror stories, but after kaos showed up and informed us that we would need voodoo installed to eventually run his froyo rom I figured I would be making the jump eventually anyway and went ahead and loaded it. Just spend time reading through all the various walkthroughs and fixes. Make sure you understand what it is you have to do and follow the directions. Make sure you are comfortable with Odin in case something does indeed go wrong. I have yet to bork my phone and have to odin back to stock, but it could happen, so be prepared.
Did I mention read through all the threads and make sure you follow the steps to a t? Once you think you understand the process, read some more. Don't know about you, but I'd feel like an asshole if I left myself with a 500$ paperweight because I couldn't be bothered to read a few pages on a message board...

Thanks for the quick responses!
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Noob question - what is Voodoo?
I've been using it for about two weeks now... but it can be a little confusing for someone who is just coming into the custom ROM scene.
Thanks.

kent1146 said:
Noob question - what is Voodoo?
I've been using it for about two weeks now... but it can be a little confusing for someone who is just coming into the custom ROM scene.
Thanks.
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It's a collection of enhancements to the Galaxy S phones, the primary one being a lag fix that converts the file system(s) to standard Linux EXT4 from Samsung's hobbled together RFS. The issue commonly associated with Voodoo is when someone flashes a non-Voodoo kernel over a Voodoo one. Since non-Voodoo kernels don't support EXT4, they can't read any of the partitions that were converted to EXT4 and all sorts of issues ensue. But it's not not all bad, converting back to RFS before flashing the new kernel avoids the problem, and even if it occurs (if someone doesn't convert back), there are clear steps to recover.
In addition to the lag fix, Voodoo has slight tweaks to the color settings and more significant tweaks to the sound options and settings.

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ChrisDDD said:
It's a collection of enhancements to the Galaxy S phones, the primary one being a lag fix that converts the file system(s) to standard Linux EXT4 from Samsung's hobbled together RFS. The issue commonly associated with Voodoo is when someone flashes a non-Voodoo kernel over a Voodoo one. Since non-Voodoo kernels don't support EXT4, they can't read any of the partitions that were converted to EXT4 and all sorts of issues ensue. But it's not not all bad, converting back to RFS before flashing the new kernel avoids the problem, and even if it occurs (if someone doesn't convert back), there are clear steps to recover.
In addition to the lag fix, Voodoo has slight tweaks to the color settings and more significant tweaks to the sound options and settings.
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nice summary bro
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Voodoo5 makes your phone go HAM!
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Can you flash themes without disabling the lag fix?
Super Clean DL09 .4 w/ JT's Fascinate voodoo w/Supercurio sound

Yes, as long as you use red CWM.

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Yes, as long as you use red CWM.
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Thanks ivory. Also, use theme fix if using a DJ05 theme, right?
Super Clean DL09 .4 w/ JT's Fascinate voodoo w/Supercurio sound

Yup!
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There doesn't seem to be a HUGE difference in speed with the lagfix, but there's quite a massive boost in sound quality once you download the Voodoo Control App from the marketplace and use decent headphones. Not bad for an hour or two of downloading and flashing. The only worrisome thing seems to be the massive amount of warnings about flashing anything over the Voodoo kernals...

Naris said:
There doesn't seem to be a HUGE difference in speed with the lagfix, but there's quite a massive boost in sound quality once you download the Voodoo Control App from the marketplace and use decent headphones. Not bad for an hour or two of downloading and flashing. The only worrisome thing seems to be the massive amount of warnings about flashing anything over the Voodoo kernals...
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I agree. Honestly, I haven't noticed *any* objective increase in speed with the lag fix. I suspect 99% of the lag people experience is attributable to the bloatware Verizon saw fit to load on the phone, not any inherent deficiency in the file system used. Not arguing that EXT4 isn't better than RFS, I just don't think it makes that much difference in actual use. When it comes to kernels, I think there's an enormous placebo effect. Unless you're overclocked, I'd challenge anyone to show *measurable* improvements in real performance - not just meaningless benchmarks, but real improvements in things that would be noticeable in the actual use of the phone.
I wouldn't worry about the warnings though, they're not because the lag fix is inherently dangerous, it's more because of the number of people who can't or choose not to read and get themselves into trouble flashing a non-Voodoo kernel without first disabling the lag fix. Follow the forums for any length of time and you'll be amazed at how many posts you see saying:
"I have no idea what Voodoo is, but I installed it anyway, because I don't want any lag, and then I heard about StupidFast, so I installed that, and now I have zero internal memory, what gives?"
If they had made any attempt to understand what Voodoo is and does, they'd have avoided the problem. But in the end, it's pretty straight forward to fix even if you inadvertently screw it up, so again, I wouldn't worry.

Dk28 vs EB13 is switch worth the trouble?

I had to start this thread because the more I read on EB13 the more I get the feeling that its not that big of impovement over DK28.
I would at least think that they would make web browser lag free like its on Syndicate(Maybe even stock DI18),but no-that was too much to ask.
Anyways to make it short:Syndicate is still the fastest and smoothest and 2.2 supposed to be an improvement in ui responsiveness and speed but in this case its not from what im reading so far.
Before I delete my peronal modded version of Bonsai Ext4 and flash to EB13(DK28Plus,lol) and spend a few more hours modding it,is it worth it?

Id wait untill roms are updated
Epic

I don't think EB13 is an improvement over the DK28 just yet. But since the source is out, the devs will be able to improve it to a point of being superior to DK28 since they have more info.
A would think a lot of people aren't even going to upgrade to EB13 till the devs have had their hand in it. I think it is the flash freaks that will get EB13 just to get it.

lviv73 said:
I had to start this thread because the more I read on EB13 the more I get the feeling that its not that big of impovement over DK28.
I would at least think that they would make web browser lag free like its on Syndicate(Maybe even stock DI18),but no-that was too much to ask.
Anyways to make it short:Syndicate is still the fastest and smoothest and 2.2 supposed to be an improvement in ui responsiveness and speed but in this case its not from what im reading so far.
Before I delete my peronal modded version of Bonsai Ext4 and flash to EB13(DK28Plus,lol) and spend a few more hours modding it,is it worth it?
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The more I read your posts the more certain I become that you are a professional troll. What do you get out of being so negative all the time?

lviv73 said:
I had to start this thread because the more I read on EB13 the more I get the feeling that its not that big of impovement over DK28.
I would at least think that they would make web browser lag free like its on Syndicate(Maybe even stock DI18),but no-that was too much to ask.
Anyways to make it short:Syndicate is still the fastest and smoothest and 2.2 supposed to be an improvement in ui responsiveness and speed but in this case its not from what im reading so far.
Before I delete my peronal modded version of Bonsai Ext4 and flash to EB13(DK28Plus,lol) and spend a few more hours modding it,is it worth it?
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Isnt it kind of early for this thread???
In the 30 minutes I've been running EB13 I havent had any issues. Browser seems fast and responsive...keyboard is much improved...and overall its quick and responsive.

swanysto said:
I don't think EB13 is an improvement over the DK28 just yet. But since the source is out, the devs will be able to improve it to a point of being superior to DK28 since they have more info.
A would think a lot of people aren't even going to upgrade to EB13 till the devs have had their hand in it. I think it is the flash freaks that will get EB13 just to get it.
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Thats what I was thinking,why they dint just release the source months ago instead of giving us this half ass update?Oh well,lets hope that we dont have to wait long for CM6 and MIUI.

Quis89 said:
Isnt it kind of early for this thread???
In the 30 minutes I've been running EB13 I havent had any issues. Browser seems fast and responsive...keyboard is much improved...and overall its quick and responsive.
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Maybe youre right.I started it because I read that web browser is chekerboarding and lagging and keyboard bugs are still there.Keyboard bugs I dont care about but browser lag I do.
Maybe you had a better expirience on your phone thats why I started this thread to hear people's opinions because not everyone knows how to update the "Right way"(Odin,reboot,3 wipes,etc,lol).

It does make me question whether wiping the phone first will make it perform better (but I wouldn't be coming from DK28, mine's just rooted stock).

Yes. It fixes the sensors, mine now read correctly and don't jump all over the place.

Browser lag? Y'all talking about the checkerboard stuff? Is that really an issue? How often are you zooming in and out to where its "annoying"? The browser in EB13 puts DK28 to sleep. Loads pages way faster than DK28. 3G also seems to go to sleep a lot quicker on EB13. Other than those two things, it kinda seems the same to me. Idk though, im gonna test Dungeon Defenders in a bit. I'd say its worth the upgrade.

DK28 is POS full of bugs... lol

How did you guys get it already?

ms79723 said:
Browser lag? Y'all talking about the checkerboard stuff? Is that really an issue? How often are you zooming in and out to where its "annoying"? The browser in EB13 puts DK28 to sleep. Loads pages way faster than DK28. 3G also seems to go to sleep a lot quicker on EB13. Other than those two things, it kinda seems the same to me. Idk though, im gonna test Dungeon Defenders in a bit. I'd say its worth the upgrade.
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Im just quoting what I read.So browser is smoother?Im on Bonsai with Dolphin HD and no chekerbording.
Is the browsing expirience like on Syndicate because to me DK28 browsing is not that good compared to Syndicate.
But I would say that I use "zoom in" function alot because I download ps3 games and movies straight to Epic and use Epic more than my laptop.

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swanysto said:
How did you guys get it already?
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really bro seriously?? sorry not to be rude but havent you read all the post everywhere??

Personally, I've been running it and for the short time I've been using it, it's very smooth. It's snappy there isn't any random lag, no glitches popping up. The stock browser is actually semi enjoyable because it's snappier than it was in DI18 and DK28. EB13 is worth the jump, I mean Rod is already working on having Genocide out for EB13 and once that happens we'll have an even snappier performance as well an influx of Roms and ports of other Froyo Roms and AOSP roms.
Just try it out and give it some time to sink in with you.

lviv73 said:
Maybe youre right.I started it because I read that web browser is chekerboarding and lagging and keyboard bugs are still there.Keyboard bugs I dont care about but browser lag I do.
Maybe you had a better expirience on your phone thats why I started this thread to hear people's opinions because not everyone knows how to update the "Right way"(Odin,reboot,3 wipes,etc,lol).
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I updated by downloading update.zip and then rebooting into stock recovery and applying it. Right enough for me.
I'm satisfied so far. It matches the performance I've become used to with DI18, so I'm not disappointed. I can view my favorite educational (read: porn) websites with flash on my phone now. My bluetooth headset just got a whole lot more useful. I can install more apps, shoving bits of them off to the SD card.
The browser does checkerboard, but not to the point where it bothers me enough to even try out another browser. I haven't had any more keyboard lag than I did with DI18, and never had any other than when the browser was first starting even then.
It's a far sight better than DK28 was when I tried it and rapidly ditched it as not up to par.
As of yet my phone is not printing money, nor do the teachers on the aforementioned educational websites offer anything more than visual, so I guess it could have been better...

I went from bonsai to eb13. I can't really complain about anything, yet. It seems pretty smooth, but I've barely had a chance to really put it through its paces. Most people on roms will probably be best off waiting for roms to update. It might be Saturday or Sunday before we start seeing rebuilt roms since this is a full framework change, so you might have to be patient. If patience isn't your thing, do a backup and switch over. You can always go back to what you have now.

LOL (for real) - thanks JMMusic for a well written and witty review of the new ROM. Someone should make (I don't feel qualified enough) a thread just for reviews/impressions/bugs of EB13, I think.

AproSamurai said:
Personally, I've been running it and for the short time I've been using it, it's very smooth. It's snappy there isn't any random lag, no glitches popping up. The stock browser is actually semi enjoyable because it's snappier than it was in DI18 and DK28. EB13 is worth the jump, I mean Rod is already working on having Genocide out for EB13 and once that happens we'll have an even snappier performance as well an influx of Roms and ports of other Froyo Roms and AOSP roms.
Just try it out and give it some time to sink in with you.
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Thanx man,thats what I been waiting to hear instead of irrelevant and negative comments.
I was thinkin "It cant be possibly worse than DK28",negative feedback I was getting is probably from people that dint do a clean update.
Alot of people on here use Titanium Backup and just flash over old rom and thats the people that have problems mostly.I always wipe everything clean before I install any rom or update and never have any problems.

Is EXT4 really that great? I think that RFS is better

Hello,
I was just wondering why people think that EXT4 is faster than RFS? Both of them are similar in speed at first boot and installation of a ROM, but I tend to notice that EXT4 goes much slower over time, as opposed to RFS. To test this out, I borrowed my friends epic, and tried flashing the SFR 1.2 ROM on one Epic and the EC05 stock ROM on the other epic. They were both fast, and sometimes EXT4 was a tad bit faster at loading pages and apps, but over the course of a week, I found EXT4 to slow down and RFS was starting to run faster. I have installed the same amount of apps on both phones, and the Stock Epic even had the sprint bloat installed, I installed the same apps on both phones and about a week later, the RFS File system was much better off then the EXT4 File system. I'm saying this from personal experience. Does anybody else notice the same thing?
For some people who say that the variables are different:
Well, I can say that the stock rom is odexed, but all the other variables are the same, same amount of apps, I always deleted the texts and call logs, after I saw them or after I received a call. Even then, many people say that EXT4 is much much much faster than RFS, and odexed RFS vs deodexed SFR is not much of a variable difference because one is running stock RFS and one is running an "Stock" EXT4 (now if you know of an odexed EXT4 ROM, then I will gladly try it. But all the other variables were basically the same)

I have realized and done similar tests for quite awhile ever since rom building for the Samsung Moment. Which is why I've never touched an ext4 rom for the Epic. But I tend to simply run completely stock aside from deodexing for more internal space and adding crt and stock 1% battery mod
I've not had a single issue with my Epic this way and it has always ran fast, smooth, and completely stable down to the smallest details with excellent battery life
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Im not sure about RFS, but I can say ext4 would be surprising if it performed well. Afaik ext4 is designed for consistency more than perf. Perhaps ext4 could be configured for writeback journalling, the fastest it can go with journalling. Of course disabling the journal woulf be fastest of all. What is rfs? Pardon my ignorance, but I suppose it's not journalling?
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Lol use titanium backup on ext4 and rfs and you'll see the speed difference
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inimitableac said:
Lol use titanium backup on ext4 and rfs and you'll see the speed difference
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Yes but the slightest mistake with an untrained user how we've all been at one time or another can leave you with corrupted data. EXT4 is a good thing but it also shares it's amounts of bad as well.
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AproSamurai said:
Yes but the slightest mistake with an untrained user how we've all been at one time or another can leave you with corrupted data. EXT4 is a good thing but it also shares it's amounts of bad as well.
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Yea your absolutely right no argument against that.
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parasense said:
Im not sure about RFS, but I can say ext4 would be surprising if it performed well. Afaik ext4 is designed for consistency more than perf. Perhaps ext4 could be configured for writeback journalling, the fastest it can go with journalling. Of course disabling the journal woulf be fastest of all. What is rfs? Pardon my ignorance, but I suppose it's not journalling?
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rfs is reiser fs. it is journaled as are most modern file systems.
edit: interesting fact: the guy that designed rfs murdered his wife.

i've gone back to RFS after a bunch of the EXT4 roms degraded for me over time. with journaling on. its possible it was my own fault but i honestly have no issues with the RFS roms right now except that they aren't as numerous as the EXT ones

schnowdapowda said:
rfs is reiser fs. it is journaled as are most modern file systems.
edit: interesting fact: the guy that designed rfs murdered his wife.
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W.r.t Samsung phones, RFS is not Reiser FS. It is essentially a Samsung proprietary FST32 compatible FS with journaling.
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EDIT: More info here - http://www.samsung.com/global/busin...ducts/fusionmemory/Products_RFS_Brochure.html

I used ext2 for all filesystems on my moment and noticed improvements over rfs, I always wondered why samsung stuck with rfs I assumed it was for stability? This has me confuzzled
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schnowdapowda said:
rfs is reiser fs. it is journaled as are most modern file systems.
edit: interesting fact: the guy that designed rfs murdered his wife.
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Lmfao that is an interesting fact indeed

schnowdapowda said:
rfs is reiser fs. it is journaled as are most modern file systems.
edit: interesting fact: the guy that designed rfs murdered his wife.
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source?
10char

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Reiser
He did infact, but its not the RFS we use... we use ROBUST File system by samsung not ReiserFS by Hans Reiser

rfs is a system designed by samsung, now, EXT4 is a partition scheme for linux, we run using a linux kernel on samsung hardware on solid state memory, it really is anyone's preference. thats why dual-kernels are the ****.

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schnowdapowda said:
rfs is reiser fs. it is journaled as are most modern file systems.
edit: interesting fact: the guy that designed rfs murdered his wife.
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Sorry to go off topic what kind of animal in on your signature. That got to be the funniest thing I ever seen in my life!!!

Is this what I've been experiencing? I feel like every rom I've tried slows down for me after about a week. Not terribly... but it starts to hang in certain places when it never hung at all to begin with. I've normally stayed away from rfs so I know the bulk of the roms I've flashed were ext4. Even now I'm on ACS bamboozle. A week ago I thought this was teh best rom evar. But now I lag a bit here and there. Quite annoying actually. Also, I ALWAYS enable journaling.
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I've never paid much attention to the speed, but the file corruption problems I've had on EXT4 make me nervous.

gokuman56 said:
Hello,
I was just wondering why people think that EXT4 is faster than RFS? Both of them are similar in speed at first boot and installation of a ROM, but I tend to notice that EXT4 goes much slower over time, as opposed to RFS. To test this out, I borrowed my friends epic, and tried flashing the SFR 1.2 ROM on one Epic and the EC05 stock ROM on the other epic. They were both fast, and sometimes EXT4 was a tad bit faster at loading pages and apps, but over the course of a week, I found EXT4 to slow down and RFS was starting to run faster. I have installed the same amount of apps on both phones, and the Stock Epic even had the sprint bloat installed, I installed the same apps on both phones and about a week later, the RFS File system was much better off then the EXT4 File system. I'm saying this from personal experience. Does anybody else notice the same thing?
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You were not just comparing filesystems. The Stock ROM is Odexed, but SFR is Deodexed,
Some people have said that Odexed ROMS are faster than Deodexed ROMS, but they are more difficult to customize. I believe that is why all our customized ROMS are Deodexed.

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I used ext2 for all filesystems on my moment and noticed improvements over rfs, I always wondered why samsung stuck with rfs I assumed it was for stability?
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I have been running EXT2 & EXT4 since they came out. The speed difference has been major, IMO, both on my Moment running EXT2, and my Epic running EXT4.
On my Moment, I never even ran the journaling, though I did turn it back on for my Epic.
IMO, I will never use RFS again, unless I have no other choice. RFS is supposed to be the best for prevention of data loss, but when you turn on journaling with EXT4, you should retain the data protection offered with RFS.
I did have data loss due to frequent power loss (Extended battery for my Epic didnt fit perfectly, and loss connection until I fixed it), but that ended when I turned on journaling.
I have never ran a setup past a couple months, so I can't comment on the long term slowdown, but with just the change from RFS to EXT4 provides a performance increase of the level where I can see the difference in daily use of the phone.

gokuman56 said:
Hello,
I was just wondering why people think that EXT4 is faster than RFS? Both of them are similar in speed at first boot and installation of a ROM, but I tend to notice that EXT4 goes much slower over time, as opposed to RFS. To test this out, I borrowed my friends epic, and tried flashing the SFR 1.2 ROM on one Epic and the EC05 stock ROM on the other epic. They were both fast, and sometimes EXT4 was a tad bit faster at loading pages and apps, but over the course of a week, I found EXT4 to slow down and RFS was starting to run faster. I have installed the same amount of apps on both phones, and the Stock Epic even had the sprint bloat installed, I installed the same apps on both phones and about a week later, the RFS File system was much better off then the EXT4 File system. I'm saying this from personal experience. Does anybody else notice the same thing?
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So, you ran two completely different ROMs with completely different customizations (one, as noted above, was deodexed) and optimizations, and you're just assuming the file system is the reason you're seeing a difference between the two?
As well, did you install all the exact same apps on each, make all the same phone calls, send/receive the same number of text messages, and utilize them in identical manners?
Correlation does not equal causation. Just because one ROM is running one file system and the other another and they perform differently is no evidence on its own that the file system is the cause. Until you eliminate all other outside variables, we've learned absolutely nothing from your experiment. Your test is also subjective, and not blinded. So your personal biases easily slip through, and your assumption that RFS is faster will lead you to use confirmation bias to notice the elements that confirm your supposition and ignore the rest. You'll be more likely to jump to consider the things the RFS-based phone does faster as more important than the ones the EXT4 phone did faster, when the same feature might be in the other list if it was on the system you preferred. This isn't a dig on you, it's a human cognitive bias we all employ that proper scientific tests are designed to avoid. But your test doesn't.
Now I'm not saying EXT4 IS faster, I'm merely saying your test does nothing to tell us one way or the other. As far as I'm aware Google shifted officially to EXT4 as the standard for Gingerbread, and I assume this was done for good reason. That's not to say Samsung didn't have good reason for using RFS that trumped it. But EXT4 is at least a non-proprietary standard that's easier for us to work with, which is one reason some prefer it.