I just rooted using the super one click root and was wondering what the best lag fix was for the fascinate?
It's all the same lagfix, it's the kernels that are different.
I use Dirk's kernels.
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Voodoo has shown much greater success for me vs. Ryanza's 1 click lagfix. Voodoo is ext4 vs. running loop commands in an ext2 partition for the other. Not to mention the fact that you are giving up about .7 GB with one click lagfix. Quadrant scores are higher on RyanZA's but quadrant scores don't translate directly into real world results. Voodoo and OC until Froyo's arrival. BIG DISCLAIMER!!!!! RTFM before doing anything with either or you will soft brick your phone. Nothing hard about applying voodoo or fixing it if you do happen to brick it if you read the manual.
Old lagfix is old. If you want one, definitely use voodoo. Your options are from Dirk and jt, each with overclock kernels available as well.
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I wouldn't recommend doing any lag fix at this time.
Ryanza's 1 click fix is a "fake" lag fix. It's mainly for faking/improving quadrant scores. Don't even bother. Has little to no real world performance increases.
Voodoo is a true lag fix, however, the current version that exists in the kernels that our out for device (such as jt's and dirk's) are buggy. You may install them ok, and they will work just fine, and they definetly help. However, many people are noticing slowdowns after some usage, that start to negate the improvements. But worse, many people, including myself, are unable to get the "disable_lagfix" working, to shut voodoo off, which is required prior to flashing non-voodoo kernels, or using CWM, etc. If you're one of these people like I was, your phone basically bricks after disabling voodoo and you have to use Adrynalyn's voodoo uninstaller which involves wiping your phone, so you'll lose all your data. I didn't believe that it was a problem until it happened to me, I thought it was just noobs being noobs. however, many skilled people including myself have not gotten voodoo to disable in it's current form.
While there are backup utilities like Ti Backup that work awesome, setting your phone back up from scratch even with backups can be a pain. If you don't like doing such things, I wouldn't bother messing with voodoo for now.
There IS a new voodoo base kernel in development/out now by supercurio. However, it needs to be ported over to the Fascinate for it to work on our phone. This version contains many fixes/improvements, and will hopefully resolve the issues people (like me) have had disabling voodoo. There are no kernels out yet for our phone that yet have this new voodoo.
There is also z4mod on the horizon which is an alternative to voodoo, that allows for greater compatability and may replace the voodoo project for our phones. That should be out soon too.
Basically: if you don't mind the potential to need to wipe your phone to get rid of voodoo, and are a trigger happy flasher - go ahead and flash any kernel you want. But if you wait even a week, I'm sure there will be better kernels out there. Birdmans project looks promising. I'm running his test20 kernel right now.
Protonus said:
I wouldn't recommend doing any lag fix at this time.
Ryanza's 1 click fix is a "fake" lag fix. It's mainly for faking/improving quadrant scores. Don't even bother. Has little to no real world performance increases.
Voodoo is a true lag fix, however, the current version that exists in the kernels that our out for device (such as jt's and dirk's) are buggy. You may install them ok, and they will work just fine, and they definetly help. However, many people are noticing slowdowns after some usage, that start to negate the improvements. But worse, many people, including myself, are unable to get the "disable_lagfix" working, to shut voodoo off, which is required prior to flashing non-voodoo kernels, or using CWM, etc. If you're one of these people like I was, your phone basically bricks after disabling voodoo and you have to use Adrynalyn's voodoo uninstaller which involves wiping your phone, so you'll lose all your data. I didn't believe that it was a problem until it happened to me, I thought it was just noobs being noobs. however, many skilled people including myself have not gotten voodoo to disable in it's current form.
While there are backup utilities like Ti Backup that work awesome, setting your phone back up from scratch even with backups can be a pain. If you don't like doing such things, I wouldn't bother messing with voodoo for now.
There IS a new voodoo base kernel in development/out now by supercurio. However, it needs to be ported over to the Fascinate for it to work on our phone. This version contains many fixes/improvements, and will hopefully resolve the issues people (like me) have had disabling voodoo. There are no kernels out yet for our phone that yet have this new voodoo.
There is also z4mod on the horizon which is an alternative to voodoo, that allows for greater compatability and may replace the voodoo project for our phones. That should be out soon too.
Basically: if you don't mind the potential to need to wipe your phone to get rid of voodoo, and are a trigger happy flasher - go ahead and flash any kernel you want. But if you wait even a week, I'm sure there will be better kernels out there. Birdmans project looks promising. I'm running his test20 kernel right now.
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^ well said ^
the disable_lagfix worked for me, luckily; now i'm running a clean rom with no voodoo and no overclock - works great without either of these (more stable and still very fast!)
Protonus said:
I wouldn't recommend doing any lag fix at this time.
Ryanza's 1 click fix is a "fake" lag fix. It's mainly for faking/improving quadrant scores. Don't even bother. Has little to no real world performance increases.
Voodoo is a true lag fix, however, the current version that exists in the kernels that our out for device (such as jt's and dirk's) are buggy. You may install them ok, and they will work just fine, and they definetly help. However, many people are noticing slowdowns after some usage, that start to negate the improvements.
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I've found that the "slowdowns" really only occur on the Overclocked Voodoo kernels. I've been on the 0.2 Voodoo kernel (with no OC) and have found that it's been consistently fast with no lag, lockups, or slowdowns whatsoever (I've been running it for weeks). It's been stable as a rock. Your point is well noted on the reported removal issues (as well as your own experience) and the effects of the OC'd kernels though.
FWIW, I'm one of the apparently few people that actually did notice real-world performance increases using the "old" lag fix. It is most noticeable with applications that do a lot of read/writes to the /data/data and cache directories (web browsers, for example). There is, of course, still lag when installing or loading applications themselves, because those don't get stored in the virtual partition, but that's not quite as big of a deal.
I will say that it is without a doubt much less risky than the voodoo one, as I have enabled and disabled it two or three times without any issues whatsoever. I'm very nervous about messing around with voodoo as it appears there's a good chance of bricking my phone. I have decided to wait until Froyo comes out, and see if there is still any lag after that that would warrant a lag fix of any kind. If there is still lag, I'll probably wait for an actual custom Froyo ROM instead of just swapping kernels around. Until then, my phone is fast enough.
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There is, of course, still lag when installing or loading applications themselves, because those don't get stored in the virtual partition, but that's not quite as big of a deal.
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Lolwut?
I think you are confused on how the lag fix works.
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Thanks
guys i really appreciate all of your input you have been really helpful...i am coming from the original droid and i was flash happy but the fascinate seems a bit more complicated as of now i am trying to research alot right now and really hoping for some froyo because i truly do miss it. so i think i might just keep it rooted and give it a few weeks and see whats on the horizon
I hear you, I am in the same boat. A little harder to find the info here as well. But there is a lot of great info here and helpful people!
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Lolwut?
I think you are confused on how the lag fix works.
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Nope, I went through every line of code in the setup script, and I know exactly how it works. It simply creates a virtual ext2 partition within a data file that contains your /data/data, /data/system, and /data/dalvik-cache directories. The apps themselves (apk files) are stored in /data/app, so they're still on the physical RFS partition, which has slower read/write times.
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Nope, I went through every line of code in the setup script, and I know exactly how it works. It simply creates a virtual ext2 partition within a data file that contains your /data/data, /data/system, and /data/dalvik-cache directories. The apps themselves (apk files) are stored in /data/app, so they're still on the physical RFS partition, which has slower read/write times.
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Now I definitely know you are confused.
I'll give you a hint:
pssst: RFS is only slow on writing.
adrynalyne said:
Now I definitely know you are confused.
I'll give you a hint:
pssst: RFS is only slow on writing.
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This is getting interesting... Popcorn anyone?
No worries, I am done. Some of these guys are interesting because they don't actually know what the lag fix is for
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No worries, I am done. Some of these guys are interesting because they don't actually know what the lag fix is for
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Okay, I admit, I didn't know it was just the write speed that was an issue. However, I don't appreciate the fact that you made it sound like everything I said was incorrect, because that's not true. While loading apps may not be any faster, I still see my phone slow to a crawl when installing new apps, during which there are obviously write operations occurring. But like I said before, not that big of a deal. The data and cache folders are what really matter, as data frequently gets written to those directories.
I'm well aware that the virtual ext2 partition is not as good as a true physical ext4 partition, but it's still better than RFS, and the extra benefit Voodoo brings is not worth the risk of bricking my phone, in my opinion. Anyway, 'nuff said.
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Thinking of moving from my incredible to a fascinate and i see a lot of posts about "lag." After playing with one in the store I'm wondering if it is lag associated with the UI (swipe between home screens for instance) which seems way slower than the incredible or lag only associated with installing programs. I love the hardware, but honestly Touchwiz seems a bit slow overall for a phone with such outstanding hardware. Does the "lag fix" improve this as well?
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Okay, I admit, I didn't know it was just the write speed that was an issue. However, I don't appreciate the fact that you made it sound like everything I said was incorrect, because that's not true. While loading apps may not be any faster, I still see my phone slow to a crawl when installing new apps, during which there are obviously write operations occurring. But like I said before, not that big of a deal. The data and cache folders are what really matter, as data frequently gets written to those directories.
I'm well aware that the virtual ext2 partition is not as good as a true physical ext4 partition, but it's still better than RFS, and the extra benefit Voodoo brings is not worth the risk of bricking my phone, in my opinion. Anyway, 'nuff said.
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Voodoo has yet to brick a phone.
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nmyeti said:
Thinking of moving from my incredible to a fascinate and i see a lot of posts about "lag." After playing with one in the store I'm wondering if it is lag associated with the UI (swipe between home screens for instance) which seems way slower than the incredible or lag only associated with installing programs. I love the hardware, but honestly Touchwiz seems a bit slow overall for a phone with such outstanding hardware. Does the "lag fix" improve this as well?
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That is mostly the crappy Verizon bloatware and all the crap that runs all the time as a result. Flash a ROM like jt's clean rom and you'll see how fast TouchWiz can really be.
that being said, ditch touchwiz anyways and get Launcher Pro, which is all around better...
The lag fixes help with the reading and writing of data to the internal memory of the phone, which is formatted using a propiretary RFS format, rather than a more common / faster one like ext4. So you'll see the speed improvements doing things like writing/reading from a database (such as pulling up a list of all your installed programs), or when installing an app from the market, etc. While the phone with a clean ROM (like JT1134's super clean) is VERY fast, and even faster over clocked, you'll notice on the stock kernel, sometimes it doesn't seem as fast as it should be doing somethings, for a moment, like it pauses. This is the "lag" in question.
It's really not that bad, either way, once you have a clean ROM, and a better kernel loaded.
I can pretty much guarantee you'll love the Fascinate vs. an Incredible once you hack it up a bit Get the kickstand case ;-)
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Thinking of moving from my incredible to a fascinate and i see a lot of posts about "lag." After playing with one in the store I'm wondering if it is lag associated with the UI (swipe between home screens for instance) which seems way slower than the incredible or lag only associated with installing programs. I love the hardware, but honestly Touchwiz seems a bit slow overall for a phone with such outstanding hardware. Does the "lag fix" improve this as well?
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Yes. Phone its some how better but it gets stock here and there. .lags make me sick. Any one knows a real fix for lag? I'm hitting 2200 plus on quadrant and all but I think that means ****. .. any one have a real solution. ...
Love for this to be like my evo running cm6. Snappy and fast. But I got to say I'm in love with galaxy. ..love the amoled. Can't ever go back to a regular screen LOL. I just want this to fly the way is suppose to man.
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i have no idea, I read some things that said these lag fixes show higher numbers, but are not actually faster. that is just what I read, I have not applied any.
but do have a question kind of related so not trying to thread jack.
I am under the impression that the lag fixes make the phone use dalvic (which is faster then how ever samsung had it set up) (i obviously dont completely understand the technical details of the lag fixes). When we get 2.2, either from samsung or developers, will it be faster because 2.2 is more optimized and using jit AND will they use what ever these lag fixes implement?
in other words, 2.2 will make the phone faster and partly due to jit, but will we still have to do these fixes to make the phone use dalvic (instead of what ever samsung did) to make it as fast as it should be, or will 2.2 make that change also?
not trying to thread jack, if this needs its own thread, please let me know and I apoligize, just though i would post as its related.
Amen to that. Hit 2200 exactly just about an got ago but there are still lag issues. I believe the JIT compiler will make all the difference. So, uh, just be prepared to get a bunch of "be patient" "just wait" posts.
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i have no idea, I read some things that said these lag fixes show higher numbers, but are not actually faster. that is just what I read, I have not applied any.
but do have a question kind of related so not trying to thread jack.
I am under the impression that the lag fixes make the phone use dalvic (which is faster then how ever samsung had it set up) (i obviously dont completely understand the technical details of the lag fixes). When we get 2.2, either from samsung or developers, will it be faster because 2.2 is more optimized and using jit AND will they use what ever these lag fixes implement?
in other words, 2.2 will make the phone faster and partly due to jit, but will we still have to do these fixes to make the phone use dalvic (instead of what ever samsung did) to make it as fast as it should be, or will 2.2 make that change also?
not trying to thread jack, if this needs its own thread, please let me know and I apoligize, just though i would post as its related.
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can anyone comment on my question? will 2.2 be more speedy just because of the great things that make 2.2 fast (jit/optimized) or will it include what ever our current lag fixes do with an ext partition/dalvic?
so say we get 2.2 and its great, would it be even better if we do the lag fixes that we are currently doing it samsung does not already implement this change?
thanks
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can anyone comment on my question? will 2.2 be more speedy just because of the great things that make 2.2 fast (jit/optimized) or will it include what ever our current lag fixes do with an ext partition/dalvic?
so say we get 2.2 and its great, would it be even better if we do the lag fixes that we are currently doing it samsung does not already implement this change?
thanks
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yes 2.2 it that big of a difference. Jit realy speeds up the phone. I can't wait. I still though have no lag without a lag fix. I got a n1 with froyo and the sgs is just as quick CPU wise without it.
Be patient and just wait........lol
That's because Quadrant score is biased by the "lag fix". If my understanding of the lag fix is correct, it creates and ext2 FS on top of the existing one, acting, in a sense, like a buffer. It may help you fool the quadrant score with writes and may improve a little if you are invoking the same app multiple times, but all that at the expense of losing journaling, a very important feature in a portable device.
I've noticed the same issues -- fast quadrant, still laggy -- and so I basically disregard all mentions of "quadrant" in the forums. That said, the One Click Lag Fix is still a huge improvement over stock, but not perfect.
For my phone, I've reverted back to the METHOD #1 fix mentioned in this thread -- basically moving the /data storage into RAM. While it's not perfect (mainly due to the small app storage space), it is *very* quick and remains quick. It's also relatively easy to apply using Busybox and a Terminal Emulator.
Hope that helps.
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yes 2.2 it that big of a difference. Jit realy speeds up the phone. I can't wait. I still though have no lag without a lag fix. I got a n1 with froyo and the sgs is just as quick CPU wise without it.
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i realize that 2.2 is a big improvement (i had it running on mytouch). what I am asking is:
regarding the lag fixes that we do now, I am wondering if that issue will be addressed when we get 2.2? or if that it will be faster because of jit and other things, and the problems that are causing lag (not using dalvic) will still need to be addressed?
I believe Samsung need to address the lag issue with a seperate firmware update to change the file system. I just hope and pray they will do it I can only imagine how fast the phone would be with a more modern file system given its performance on RFS!
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i have no idea, I read some things that said these lag fixes show higher numbers, but are not actually faster. that is just what I read, I have not applied any.
but do have a question kind of related so not trying to thread jack.
I am under the impression that the lag fixes make the phone use dalvic (which is faster then how ever samsung had it set up) (i obviously dont completely understand the technical details of the lag fixes). When we get 2.2, either from samsung or developers, will it be faster because 2.2 is more optimized and using jit AND will they use what ever these lag fixes implement?
in other words, 2.2 will make the phone faster and partly due to jit, but will we still have to do these fixes to make the phone use dalvic (instead of what ever samsung did) to make it as fast as it should be, or will 2.2 make that change also?
not trying to thread jack, if this needs its own thread, please let me know and I apoligize, just though i would post as its related.
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Well the differences for me is my 3G speed from 200K-400K has change to 2Mbps-4Mbps, and I am happy. Thanks to the hard work of RyanZA's One Click Lag Fix.
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Well the differences for me is my 3G speed from 200K-400K has change to 2Mbps-4Mbps, and I am happy. Thanks to the hard work of RyanZA's One Click Lag Fix.
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Wow. I was not aware that the lag fix would change data speeds THAT much. can anyone else confirm results like that?
Voodoo? OCLF? Other?
I just updated to JI6 via KIES mini and I'm ready for a lag fix. Which one will work best with JI6?
None. Seriously, just try it without one for awhile. You will be surprised.
But to answer your question, Voodoo would be best if your NAND supports it. I say that because OCLF v2.1+ breaks the vibration on our Vibrants right now until they fix it. I have never personally used Voodoo because of my NAND. I have used OCLF and loved it.
Lag? Wtf are you talking about?
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I had OCLF before JI6. It worked fine. Just wondering if one worked better than the other with JI6 or if there were any problems with either.
What vibration does OCLF break?
None. The lag hacky hack v1 is unreliable
What's a NAND?
It breaks all vibration on the phone. Calls, pressing buttons, notifications. Any and everything that requires your phone to move.
So I had a choice, do I want the lag fix or do I want my phone to vibrate? I chose having my phone vibrate and uninstalled it until they get it fixed.
What I am saying is that in JI6, Samsung did something that REALLY helps with the lag. They did not change from the RFS system but whatever they did, the phone does not lag as much as JFD. Before I couldn't even wake my phone up without the screen freezing for a few seconds. Imagine how embarassing that is when trying to show your friends you new toy lol. But now, everything opens fast and it just flies.
So yea... try it without the lag fix for awhile and see how you like it. Otherwise, if your NAND supports it, go with Voodoo, if not OCLF. OCLF v2.1+ breaks the vibrate but v1 does not. v1 is less secure though which is why I didn't want to use it. If you don't care about the vibrate, then go with v2.1+
yea but doesn't Voodoo mess with your color? I don't want that. I also wanted the convenience of rooting it while I was at it. Just to be able to use the wireless tether app and "shoot me"(screen capture app)
There is a version of Voodoo that does not include the "Color Fix."
Check this thread for the versions with and without color fix:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=791478
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Voodoo? OCLF? Other?
I just updated to JI6 via KIES mini and I'm ready for a lag fix. Which one will work best with JI6?
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I'm running Bionix 1.8, which is derived from JI6. I'm currently running the Voodoo kernel, but I've had Voodoo disabled for most of the day after flashing the Youtube/VideoPlayer patch...
I've found no real difference in perceivable lag between having a lagfix and not having one. I've generally found this to be the case since I've been playing around with JIx based builds. There is a sizable difference in Quadrant score, but as I don't sit around staring at horizontal bar charts all day I've become underwhelmed by this phenomenon.
Try running without one long enough to get a feel of things. You'll find periodic every so tiny instances of lag no matter what you do (lagfix or not) in my experience. In either case it's WAY better than JFD...
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I'm running Bionix 1.8, which is derived from JI6. I'm currently running the Voodoo kernel, but I've had Voodoo disabled for most of the day after flashing the Youtube/VideoPlayer patch...
I've found no real difference in perceivable lag between having a lagfix and not having one. I've generally found this to be the case since I've been playing around with JIx based builds. There is a sizable difference in Quadrant score, but as I don't sit around staring at horizontal bar charts all day I've become underwhelmed by this phenomenon.
Try running without one long enough to get a feel of things. You'll find periodic every so tiny instances of lag no matter what you do (lagfix or not) in my experience. In either case it's WAY better than JFD...
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I've used Ryanza's ext2 lag fix for awhile (about a month) until Voodoo released their lag fix. Then I decided to use Bionix's rom with the Voodoo lag fix.
Compared to stock, any lag fix will be noticeable. Compared to Bionix's roms, it's much harder to notice.
There's only 2 programs I use everyday that I noticeable any perceivable difference. Aldiko and Touchdown. The voodoo lag fix definitely makes a difference for me. Outside those 2 programs, you'd be hard pressed to find any noticeable differences with a Bionix rom.
does the OCLF only break vibration if u have the JI6 update? cuz i dont have the JI6 update yet and OCLF 2.1+ didnt break my vibration...or did i just get lucky?
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I've used Ryanza's ext2 lag fix for awhile (about a month) until Voodoo released their lag fix. Then I decided to use Bionix's rom with the Voodoo lag fix.
Compared to stock, any lag fix will be noticeable. Compared to Bionix's roms, it's much harder to notice.
There's only 2 programs I use everyday that I noticeable any perceivable difference. Aldiko and Touchdown. The voodoo lag fix definitely makes a difference for me. Outside those 2 programs, you'd be hard pressed to find any noticeable differences with a Bionix rom.
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Yeah.....Just as an aside though, I found no level of worrisome lag with JI6 stock either. At least not a level that a lag fix made a noticeable difference in. I don't use either Aldiko or Touchdown though.
As Samsung's firmwares have improved it's likely going to be a personal preference thing going forward, depending on whatever apps people are using. I generally try to stick to the old adage "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" on my gadgets, so I'll probably not be lag fixing anymore unless I hit a brick wall about it with some new awesomesauce app...
I use K9 to sync multiple email accounts and there isn't any major horrible lag going on when it polls in a totally new account or when it gets new email.
Seriously -- if you're having FC's and horrible lag you should consider starting out fresh or reupdating if you haven't.
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does the OCLF only break vibration if u have the JI6 update? cuz i dont have the JI6 update yet and OCLF 2.1+ didnt break my vibration...or did i just get lucky?
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Only on JI6.
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None. Seriously, just try it without one for awhile. You will be surprised.
But to answer your question, Voodoo would be best if your NAND supports it. I say that because OCLF v2.1+ breaks the vibration on our Vibrants right now until they fix it. I have never personally used Voodoo because of my NAND. I have used OCLF and loved it.
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OCLF v2.2+ IS OUT MAYBE VIBRATION FIXED?
is this your first day here? lag - the difference in time between initiating an action and receiving a response.
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What's a NAND?
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j56bp said:
OCLF v2.2+ IS OUT MAYBE VIBRATION FIXED?
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Confirmed, it is fixed.
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I'm installing it right now. I;ll see how it goes.
Seems like there are a lot of posts/threads with problems.
I'm currently running JT's super clean with 11/06 test non voodoo kernel and few different mods/themes etc...
contemplating voodoo.
andmer said:
Seems like there are a lot of posts/threads with problems.
I'm currently running JT's super clean with 11/06 test non voodoo kernel and few different mods/themes etc...
contemplating voodoo.
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Short answer? no.
Just use the Lagfix in the market, Safe easy....and easily uninstallable
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Just use the Lagfix in the market, Safe easy....and easily uninstallable
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It's not uninstalled much easier and all it creates is high benchmarks. There is not the same type of performance gain as with voodoo.
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I had some serious problems with voodoo and I wont install it again, but lots of people love it and have no problems. There are lots of posts on here if you do get in trouble with it tho - up to you I guess.
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Hmmm i begg to differ ive tried both. Fixes browser slow loads and market. I noticed no difference. And im not much into Benchmarks. Whats the point.
Youll be hard pressed to find 5 apps that the fascinate can play.......that a old htc eris cant.
Lag fixes are artficial fixes in my eyes. but thats my opinion....im not a techie!
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Just use the Lagfix in the market, Safe easy....and easily uninstallable
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The ex2 lagfix isn't safe: it's prone to data corruption. I suppose if you're reflashing every other day this won't matter so much.
Voodoo is only ever a hassle on uninstalling, so it depends how often you're planning to swap ROMs. If you just want to set your phone up to an optimum point and leave it there for a while, it's essential. If you're flash-happy with new ROMs, you may want to hold off until we get a Voodoo-enabled CWM.
Hogwash
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The ex2 lagfix isn't safe: it's prone to data corruption. I suppose if you're reflashing every other day this won't matter so much.
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Um, sorry, but I call BS on this one. I have not seen one single thread on this forum that has anyone reporting days corruption resulting from the ext2 lag fix. Furthermore, I have been running it for quite a while, and have had absolutely no data corruption of any kind. I'd like to see some proof to back this claim.
Also, I have enabled and disabled it several times, all without incident, so I would say it's very safe when compared with Voodoo, even if the reward isn't as great.
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You are welcome to call BS, but ext2 has absolutely NO journaling capability. Google it a bit, you will see there is a Hugely increased chance of data loss/corruption on power loss.
Its a fact, not an opinion. Hence, ext3 was superseded by ext3, and eventually, ext4.
i cant stand EXT4. every rom i tried with it just seemed way laggier than i ever experienced with RFS.
my issues have been my battery draining a lot quicker, mms sometimes wont send, takes forever to get a GPS lock, sound stutters (music and notifications), games lag... and other ones i cant think of at the moment,
ive tried Quantum, Bonsai, and Viper. they just seem much more buggy to me on EXT4. so im switching back to RFS.
anyone else have these issues?
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i cant stand EXT4. every rom i tried with it just seemed way laggier than i ever experienced with RFS.
my issues have been my battery draining a lot quicker, mms sometimes wont send, takes forever to get a GPS lock, sound stutters (music and notifications), games lag... and other ones i cant think of at the moment,
ive tried Quantum, Bonsai, and Viper. they just seem much more buggy to me on EXT4. so im switching back to RFS.
anyone else have these issues?
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noobnl told me that he and others were doing everything they could to use RFS only. If those guys don't want EXT4 then there's definitely something up...
Mine's more responsive than its ever been (except for screen rotate) running quantum 2.7 EXT4 and xjman's modified libdvm.so. personally, I think the whole "EXT4 will kill your phone" stuff is a kneejerk reaction to a non-issue. Those of us that are reflashing a few times a week via odin or updating roms through cwm are going to wear the NAND more than simply running EXT4. :shrug: personally, I'm going to continue to run EXT4 and I'm not going to loose a wink of sleep over it.
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Mine's more responsive than its ever been (except for screen rotate) running quantum 2.7 EXT4 and xjman's modified libdvm.so. personally, I think the whole "EXT4 will kill your phone" stuff is a kneejerk reaction to a non-issue. Those of us that are reflashing a few times a week via odin or updating roms through cwm are going to wear the NAND more than simply running EXT4. :shrug: personally, I'm going to continue to run EXT4 and I'm not going to loose a wink of sleep over it.
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I don't have any issues. Infact I've seen improvements
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ksmullins88 said:
i cant stand EXT4. every rom i tried with it just seemed way laggier than i ever experienced with RFS.
my issues have been my battery draining a lot quicker, mms sometimes wont send, takes forever to get a GPS lock, sound stutters (music and notifications), games lag... and other ones i cant think of at the moment,
ive tried Quantum, Bonsai, and Viper. they just seem much more buggy to me on EXT4. so im switching back to RFS.
anyone else have these issues?
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Maybe you should try odining a different "version" of dk28. I know dameon mentioned stuff about certain preparations of dk28 not working well.
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Its just way too much flashing, more steps and headache in EXT4 or maybe im just lazy. I like simple that's why i will stay with RFS.
ive gone back to eclair with syndicate rom and xtreme kernal. Froyo and / or EXT4 are not ready for primetime yet IMO
EXT4 lags for me as well so I'm in the process of going back to RFS as I type this. Actually starting over from DI18 and videoing it as well
I love Ext4. Made my phone more responsive along with the custom lib. I don't really see where it's that much more flashing once you install it you are done.
I've given ext4 a shot for about a week with a few different roms, and I'm not impressed at all. Seems to run worse.
Actually, I'm getting sick of DK28 in general. I think it's time to go back to 2.1.
No problems for me at all. Runs better if anything. Running Nebula ROM 1.06
I like EXT4 myself...I dont think we should go backwards,this is improvment plain and simple.
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I switched to EXT4 as soon as it came out and I have seen nothing but improvements. Have you tried the midNIGHT ROM? ptfdmedic's stuff runs as smooth as glass.
DK28 in general is not that great (it is unfinished afterall) and i've been back on 2.1 for some time now and the difference is like night and day. Battery actually lasts, phone is responsive, GPS performs much better, e.t.c.
Those eschewing the valour of EXT4 and DK28, kudos to you, but it is not great in my opinion having been through it all.
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noobnl told me that he and others were doing everything they could to use RFS only. If those guys don't want EXT4 then there's definitely something up...
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It's a war of egos, nothing more. This is demonstrated by the complete lack of definitive proof offered in the argument (and I've been present for a lot more detailed arguments in IRC about the subject between noobnl and Dameon than have been present on this forum).
One side of the argument consists almost solely of "Well then why doesn't the Nexus S use EXT4 for the system directory?" on one side and "EXT4 performs better and has not been proven to perform more writes."
I have a lot of respect for noobnl and his contributions to the community, but you can't make a statement that EXT4 is going to cause people's phones to fail and not back it up with any kind of real logic or proof. However, counter-arguments from some very well-informed individuals have been made citing plenty of evidence that EXT4 will not harm your phone.
And lastly, you risk your phone every time you flash a ROM... something could go wrong, and you could brick your phone. This is much more of a risk than accelerated NAND block corruption is. We're not going to stop flashing our phones though, are we?
Regarding the OP regarding EXT4 performance, mine runs flawlessly. I haven't seen the stuttering some people have been reporting, my battery performance seems about even with RFS if not perhaps slightly higher, and perhaps it's my imagination but the phone seems ever-so-slightly more responsive. I've also checked my bad block count a few times over the last week and a half and I have the same number I did the day after I switched to EXT4. I've got no reason to go back to RFS...
Maybe the performance difference for people is no_journal mod vs those without the mod. I'm running Nebula with ext4 and have noticed some sluggishness/lagginess that wasn't there on ACS Syndicate (2.1), but i can't compare to RFS DK28, because i went straight to ext4 when i went to DK28. Can folks comment on whether or not they are running ext4 w/ no_journal mod?
Yeaa, maybe its the no journaling that's causing the responsiveness. Idk. I might try it again in a few weeks. But my phone was just pissin me off by doing the stupid little things. Plus, there isn't many files that support edify yet.
Imo, I think we should finalize one version before upgrading to an entirely new file system. It just seems to be more problematic to me.
So do you guys that like ext4 use the no journals?
I had a lot of lag with Bonsai4all with EXT4, was bout to give up, but decided to re-do it all and go to Nebula 1.06 and thing screams. I would try another ROM if you are having issues with EXT4, but thats just me...
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I had a lot of lag with Bonsai4all with EXT4, was bout to give up, but decided to re-do it all and go to Nebula 1.06 and thing screams. I would try another ROM if you are having issues with EXT4, but thats just me...
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Well, I have... I tried three different ones. Bonsai, viper, and quantum... all three lagged like crazy
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And you are using the OTA, non-deoxed Dk28 to start from? I've heard that is key for EXT4.
Is it worth going too? Pros cons?
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Psst...search function...
But to answer your question, it really depends on you and how you use your phone. Eveyone will have different pros/cons based on their individual experience. If you think you need it then go for it, if you're unsure then don't.
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Is it worth going too? Pros cons?
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As was said, a lot depends on how you use your phone.
I was always down on Voodoo because of the potential problems it can cause, but I gave it a try a week or so ago. Honestly, I haven't seen much if any improvement in speed, but I probably don't do the type of things that would benefit the most from it - frequent read/writes to the file system. I think for general use, it really doesn't offer much.
That said, there's nothing wrong with it, a Voodoo kernel installs just like any other, it does it's conversion to EXT4 automatically, and it also converts back to RFS automatically after you set it to do so.
Even though I haven't noticed much of an improvement in performance, I figure I'll stick with it mostly for the new red Clockwork recovery.
The only con is that you have to make sure to disable the lagfix and convert the file system back to rfs BEFORE flashign a non-Voodoo kernel. Aside from that, there's really no other cons.
Just make sure you fully understand what's it's doing and how to disable it when/if need be.
Doesn't change a whole lot. I found a few apps load and operate much more smoothly, with a slight (maybe just placebo affect) increase in responsiveness. It really is not all that complicated to install, and I had zero issues with it. I stayed away after seeing all the horror stories, but after kaos showed up and informed us that we would need voodoo installed to eventually run his froyo rom I figured I would be making the jump eventually anyway and went ahead and loaded it. Just spend time reading through all the various walkthroughs and fixes. Make sure you understand what it is you have to do and follow the directions. Make sure you are comfortable with Odin in case something does indeed go wrong. I have yet to bork my phone and have to odin back to stock, but it could happen, so be prepared.
Did I mention read through all the threads and make sure you follow the steps to a t? Once you think you understand the process, read some more. Don't know about you, but I'd feel like an asshole if I left myself with a 500$ paperweight because I couldn't be bothered to read a few pages on a message board...
Thanks for the quick responses!
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Noob question - what is Voodoo?
I've been using it for about two weeks now... but it can be a little confusing for someone who is just coming into the custom ROM scene.
Thanks.
kent1146 said:
Noob question - what is Voodoo?
I've been using it for about two weeks now... but it can be a little confusing for someone who is just coming into the custom ROM scene.
Thanks.
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It's a collection of enhancements to the Galaxy S phones, the primary one being a lag fix that converts the file system(s) to standard Linux EXT4 from Samsung's hobbled together RFS. The issue commonly associated with Voodoo is when someone flashes a non-Voodoo kernel over a Voodoo one. Since non-Voodoo kernels don't support EXT4, they can't read any of the partitions that were converted to EXT4 and all sorts of issues ensue. But it's not not all bad, converting back to RFS before flashing the new kernel avoids the problem, and even if it occurs (if someone doesn't convert back), there are clear steps to recover.
In addition to the lag fix, Voodoo has slight tweaks to the color settings and more significant tweaks to the sound options and settings.
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ChrisDDD said:
It's a collection of enhancements to the Galaxy S phones, the primary one being a lag fix that converts the file system(s) to standard Linux EXT4 from Samsung's hobbled together RFS. The issue commonly associated with Voodoo is when someone flashes a non-Voodoo kernel over a Voodoo one. Since non-Voodoo kernels don't support EXT4, they can't read any of the partitions that were converted to EXT4 and all sorts of issues ensue. But it's not not all bad, converting back to RFS before flashing the new kernel avoids the problem, and even if it occurs (if someone doesn't convert back), there are clear steps to recover.
In addition to the lag fix, Voodoo has slight tweaks to the color settings and more significant tweaks to the sound options and settings.
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nice summary bro
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Voodoo5 makes your phone go HAM!
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Can you flash themes without disabling the lag fix?
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Yes, as long as you use red CWM.
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Yes, as long as you use red CWM.
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Thanks ivory. Also, use theme fix if using a DJ05 theme, right?
Super Clean DL09 .4 w/ JT's Fascinate voodoo w/Supercurio sound
Yup!
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There doesn't seem to be a HUGE difference in speed with the lagfix, but there's quite a massive boost in sound quality once you download the Voodoo Control App from the marketplace and use decent headphones. Not bad for an hour or two of downloading and flashing. The only worrisome thing seems to be the massive amount of warnings about flashing anything over the Voodoo kernals...
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There doesn't seem to be a HUGE difference in speed with the lagfix, but there's quite a massive boost in sound quality once you download the Voodoo Control App from the marketplace and use decent headphones. Not bad for an hour or two of downloading and flashing. The only worrisome thing seems to be the massive amount of warnings about flashing anything over the Voodoo kernals...
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I agree. Honestly, I haven't noticed *any* objective increase in speed with the lag fix. I suspect 99% of the lag people experience is attributable to the bloatware Verizon saw fit to load on the phone, not any inherent deficiency in the file system used. Not arguing that EXT4 isn't better than RFS, I just don't think it makes that much difference in actual use. When it comes to kernels, I think there's an enormous placebo effect. Unless you're overclocked, I'd challenge anyone to show *measurable* improvements in real performance - not just meaningless benchmarks, but real improvements in things that would be noticeable in the actual use of the phone.
I wouldn't worry about the warnings though, they're not because the lag fix is inherently dangerous, it's more because of the number of people who can't or choose not to read and get themselves into trouble flashing a non-Voodoo kernel without first disabling the lag fix. Follow the forums for any length of time and you'll be amazed at how many posts you see saying:
"I have no idea what Voodoo is, but I installed it anyway, because I don't want any lag, and then I heard about StupidFast, so I installed that, and now I have zero internal memory, what gives?"
If they had made any attempt to understand what Voodoo is and does, they'd have avoided the problem. But in the end, it's pretty straight forward to fix even if you inadvertently screw it up, so again, I wouldn't worry.