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[Q] [Question] Why is Galaxy S lagging?

Hi, I've seen a couple of lag fixes out there and they seem to be working well. But why is it lagging? Slow rom/internal memory card? Bad FAT32 filesystem as one of the fix developers said in a thread?
I am curious about this because if it's hardware problem then I might wait for a bit longer before upgrading my phone and Samsung may be already working on it, but if it's just software then I like to get a new phone now (from my good old E71)
thanks a lot!

qiu said:
Hi, I've seen a couple of lag fixes out there and they seem to be working well. But why is it lagging? Slow rom/internal memory card? Bad FAT32 filesystem as one of the fix developers said in a thread?
I am curious about this because if it's hardware problem then I might wait for a bit longer before upgrading my phone and Samsung may be already working on it, but if it's just software then I like to get a new phone now (from my good old E71)
thanks a lot!
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While the 16gb hardware is slower then the 1gb rom used it is not why it is lagging..what is causing the lag is Samsung decided to use their proprietary RFS file system which either does not work well with Android in general or has too big of a footprint aka inefficient thus causing a bottleneck of the I/O

cheers, then what about the leaked 2.2 ROM? Has Samsung done any improvement in the I/O performance at all?
I really like this phone but the laggy issue is annoying.

Well looks like not all galaxy s are lagging. You can find many people on forum without this problem. I'm one of them. 55 apps, adw, no task killers and no lags at all.
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K0v4L said:
Well looks like not all galaxy s are lagging. You can find many people on forum without this problem. I'm one of them. 55 apps, adw, no task killers and no lags at all.
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You can count me in on that one.
this is what i posted on another topic
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=7834736&postcount=9
AllGamer said:
i'll disagree with the lag
i'm still using the stock ROM on mine, and i don't experience the lags some people are having.
i can browse fast, switch apps fast, play audio/video fast, launch GPS app fast, and get a lock fast even when the car is moving on the road already
i do leave stuff like Fring running in the backgroup for my IM and video calls, meanwhile the music player plays via Bluetooth to the car Deck or BT headphones, and using GPS to check my route for speed, traffic jam, etc.
email is constantly syncing, set to auto sync every hour
if i want to check the weather it loads up instantly
using stock JH2 ROM
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thanks a lot, you guys. But which Galaxy s are you using? Maybe there is a superior version or....I am in the UK so probably the international version?

i have the uk version, bought2 weeks ago. I noticed little lag, nothing major at all.
I decided to do the lag fix and the phone is now realllllyyyy fast with no lag

UK version from o2
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qiu said:
thanks a lot, you guys. But which Galaxy s are you using? Maybe there is a superior version or....I am in the UK so probably the international version?
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yes UK unlocked version is the international version, the same one from HK, and Singapore and many other countries from the old continent.
Except Korea / Brazil / China / USA they have their own.

I'm finally getting 0 lag too now I flashed to JM6 (I got lag on every other firmware). My Compass works for the first time too. I haven't tried GPS testing yet but my hopes are up. You may want to give JM6 a try.

afaik recent firmwares (jh2 for ex) have a fixed RFS driver that doesnt lag up and fragments, whatever the real technical reason is why Rfs is slow on first generation firmwares, so the "not all get it" isn't really just "luck" stuff.
actually this regular "my phone dont do this ur just unlucky" is just some form of disinformation that is pretty much annoying.
you can check if you get 1500+ in quadrant, you don't have the issue (and IO tests go through quickly), otherwise, you do

bilboa1 said:
afaik recent firmwares (jh2 for ex) have a fixed RFS driver that doesnt lag up and fragments, whatever the real technical reason is why Rfs is slow on first generation firmwares, so the "not all get it" isn't really just "luck" stuff.
actually this regular "my phone dont do this ur just unlucky" is just some form of disinformation that is pretty much annoying.
you can check if you get 1500+ in quadrant, you don't have the issue (and IO tests go through quickly), otherwise, you do
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The stock galaxy s only gets about 800 in quadrant, but that score is only bettered by the nexus running froyo. It scored better than nexus on 2.1, desire and a gamut of other phones. But I do not read about these phone owners gripping about lag or need to go above 1500 in quadrant. Why?
Frankly, I have done the lag fix and my quadrant score is now 2137. But I do not feel any significant difference than when it was only 800. In other words, I dun feel that the phone was slow before the fix.

thanks everyone, I've got to say this is the most helpful forum I've ever been to.
gonna call Three for a upgrade offer

bilboa1 said:
you can check if you get 1500+ in quadrant, you don't have the issue (and IO tests go through quickly), otherwise, you do
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Umm.. Don't take Quadrant for gospel. You could dump most of the OS on RAMdisk and you'll get awesome scores. We need a few test cases to ACCURATELY demonstrate the problem reliably, because quadrant only tests a few cases...

After installing the lag fix I noticed things were hanging more than normal. Un-installed it and things are fine again. Not sure if it was just something I had installed or what, but my phone still feels as 'fast' as after the fix.

yay!!!!!!!! i found my very first lag today
i had running media player over BT, GPS copilot, GPS mytracks, video Fring, and got the super mario running in the live wall paper
everything was able to funtion properly with some delay of course, with the exception of mytracks and media player
i'll try to reproduce the problem and see if i can pinpoint which of the 2 program is causing the lag (mytrack vs samsung media player)

Quadrant scores really have **** to do with everyday performance for the majority of people. You can post up 2300 in Quadrant and still experience lag during normal use. Think of it like 3DMark vs. Actual game performance on a PC.
Every phone is susceptible to the lag problem as every galaxy s uses Samsung's proprietary rfs format. Also, Crapwiz is part of the problem. The sooner Samsung and other manufacturers get their heads out of their asses and offer their products with stock android, the better. Give people the option of using Sense or Crapwiz but dont force it on them.
It speaks volumes to the quality of Samsung programmers when Launcher Pro is smoother while running on top of Crapwiz than Crapwiz by itself. The sooner the ASOP ROM is finished, the sooner the phone becomes more pleasant to use by those of us who dont need shiny things, facebook/twatter and iphone ui clones waved constantly in front of us.
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Personally, i noticed slight lag.. very very slight lag or hanging when opening some apps for the first time.
However after upgrading to JM1, i haven't noticed that at all. Not saying it is solved. This has just been my experience.

kgk888 said:
Quadrant scores really have **** to do with everyday performance for the majority of people. You can post up 2300 in Quadrant and still experience lag during normal use. Think of it like 3DMark vs. Actual game performance on a PC.
Every phone is susceptible to the lag problem as every galaxy s uses Samsung's proprietary rfs format. Also, Crapwiz is part of the problem. The sooner Samsung and other manufacturers get their heads out of their asses and offer their products with stock android, the better. Give people the option of using Sense or Crapwiz but dont force it on them.
It speaks volumes to the quality of Samsung programmers when Launcher Pro is smoother while running on top of Crapwiz than Crapwiz by itself. The sooner the ASOP ROM is finished, the sooner the phone becomes more pleasant to use by those of us who dont need shiny things, facebook/twatter and iphone ui clones waved constantly in front of us.
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We don't know thats the cause.. Someone said the reason RFS was slow is that "it doesn't buffer stuff" before.. But never seen confirmation. So anyone have actual proof its RFS?

I was on the stock firmware DJF4 and this has lots of lag. I have about 200+ apps installed and it usually takes a long time to boot up (esp Appdrawer). And after using awhile with it, even opening phone/messaging/contact lags 2-5 secs.
I upgraded to the official DJG4 yesterday and now the phone performs much better and battery life has improved (i.e. the standby time increased 30-50%) with the same apps/configuration of the old firmware.
After 36 hours with the new firmware, I daresay the lag issue is now gone. The DJG4 firmware also comes with handy task manager. Free RAM now seldom goes below 60MB. I tested by opening 20-30 apps over and over and there is still no lag. And I dont even have a auto-kill task manager running.

Best lag fix to use with JI6?

Voodoo? OCLF? Other?
I just updated to JI6 via KIES mini and I'm ready for a lag fix. Which one will work best with JI6?

None. Seriously, just try it without one for awhile. You will be surprised.
But to answer your question, Voodoo would be best if your NAND supports it. I say that because OCLF v2.1+ breaks the vibration on our Vibrants right now until they fix it. I have never personally used Voodoo because of my NAND. I have used OCLF and loved it.

Lag? Wtf are you talking about?
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I had OCLF before JI6. It worked fine. Just wondering if one worked better than the other with JI6 or if there were any problems with either.
What vibration does OCLF break?

None. The lag hacky hack v1 is unreliable

What's a NAND?

It breaks all vibration on the phone. Calls, pressing buttons, notifications. Any and everything that requires your phone to move.
So I had a choice, do I want the lag fix or do I want my phone to vibrate? I chose having my phone vibrate and uninstalled it until they get it fixed.
What I am saying is that in JI6, Samsung did something that REALLY helps with the lag. They did not change from the RFS system but whatever they did, the phone does not lag as much as JFD. Before I couldn't even wake my phone up without the screen freezing for a few seconds. Imagine how embarassing that is when trying to show your friends you new toy lol. But now, everything opens fast and it just flies.
So yea... try it without the lag fix for awhile and see how you like it. Otherwise, if your NAND supports it, go with Voodoo, if not OCLF. OCLF v2.1+ breaks the vibrate but v1 does not. v1 is less secure though which is why I didn't want to use it. If you don't care about the vibrate, then go with v2.1+

yea but doesn't Voodoo mess with your color? I don't want that. I also wanted the convenience of rooting it while I was at it. Just to be able to use the wireless tether app and "shoot me"(screen capture app)

There is a version of Voodoo that does not include the "Color Fix."
Check this thread for the versions with and without color fix:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=791478

m4r10 said:
Voodoo? OCLF? Other?
I just updated to JI6 via KIES mini and I'm ready for a lag fix. Which one will work best with JI6?
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I'm running Bionix 1.8, which is derived from JI6. I'm currently running the Voodoo kernel, but I've had Voodoo disabled for most of the day after flashing the Youtube/VideoPlayer patch...
I've found no real difference in perceivable lag between having a lagfix and not having one. I've generally found this to be the case since I've been playing around with JIx based builds. There is a sizable difference in Quadrant score, but as I don't sit around staring at horizontal bar charts all day I've become underwhelmed by this phenomenon.
Try running without one long enough to get a feel of things. You'll find periodic every so tiny instances of lag no matter what you do (lagfix or not) in my experience. In either case it's WAY better than JFD...

masterotaku said:
I'm running Bionix 1.8, which is derived from JI6. I'm currently running the Voodoo kernel, but I've had Voodoo disabled for most of the day after flashing the Youtube/VideoPlayer patch...
I've found no real difference in perceivable lag between having a lagfix and not having one. I've generally found this to be the case since I've been playing around with JIx based builds. There is a sizable difference in Quadrant score, but as I don't sit around staring at horizontal bar charts all day I've become underwhelmed by this phenomenon.
Try running without one long enough to get a feel of things. You'll find periodic every so tiny instances of lag no matter what you do (lagfix or not) in my experience. In either case it's WAY better than JFD...
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I've used Ryanza's ext2 lag fix for awhile (about a month) until Voodoo released their lag fix. Then I decided to use Bionix's rom with the Voodoo lag fix.
Compared to stock, any lag fix will be noticeable. Compared to Bionix's roms, it's much harder to notice.
There's only 2 programs I use everyday that I noticeable any perceivable difference. Aldiko and Touchdown. The voodoo lag fix definitely makes a difference for me. Outside those 2 programs, you'd be hard pressed to find any noticeable differences with a Bionix rom.

does the OCLF only break vibration if u have the JI6 update? cuz i dont have the JI6 update yet and OCLF 2.1+ didnt break my vibration...or did i just get lucky?

Maverick777 said:
I've used Ryanza's ext2 lag fix for awhile (about a month) until Voodoo released their lag fix. Then I decided to use Bionix's rom with the Voodoo lag fix.
Compared to stock, any lag fix will be noticeable. Compared to Bionix's roms, it's much harder to notice.
There's only 2 programs I use everyday that I noticeable any perceivable difference. Aldiko and Touchdown. The voodoo lag fix definitely makes a difference for me. Outside those 2 programs, you'd be hard pressed to find any noticeable differences with a Bionix rom.
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Yeah.....Just as an aside though, I found no level of worrisome lag with JI6 stock either. At least not a level that a lag fix made a noticeable difference in. I don't use either Aldiko or Touchdown though.
As Samsung's firmwares have improved it's likely going to be a personal preference thing going forward, depending on whatever apps people are using. I generally try to stick to the old adage "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" on my gadgets, so I'll probably not be lag fixing anymore unless I hit a brick wall about it with some new awesomesauce app...

I use K9 to sync multiple email accounts and there isn't any major horrible lag going on when it polls in a totally new account or when it gets new email.
Seriously -- if you're having FC's and horrible lag you should consider starting out fresh or reupdating if you haven't.

thegendler said:
does the OCLF only break vibration if u have the JI6 update? cuz i dont have the JI6 update yet and OCLF 2.1+ didnt break my vibration...or did i just get lucky?
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Only on JI6.

kangxi said:
None. Seriously, just try it without one for awhile. You will be surprised.
But to answer your question, Voodoo would be best if your NAND supports it. I say that because OCLF v2.1+ breaks the vibration on our Vibrants right now until they fix it. I have never personally used Voodoo because of my NAND. I have used OCLF and loved it.
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OCLF v2.2+ IS OUT MAYBE VIBRATION FIXED?

is this your first day here? lag - the difference in time between initiating an action and receiving a response.

trunkstar1 said:
What's a NAND?
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j56bp said:
OCLF v2.2+ IS OUT MAYBE VIBRATION FIXED?
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Confirmed, it is fixed.
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I'm installing it right now. I;ll see how it goes.

[Q] Whats the best lag fix for the fascinate?

I just rooted using the super one click root and was wondering what the best lag fix was for the fascinate?

It's all the same lagfix, it's the kernels that are different.
I use Dirk's kernels.
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Voodoo has shown much greater success for me vs. Ryanza's 1 click lagfix. Voodoo is ext4 vs. running loop commands in an ext2 partition for the other. Not to mention the fact that you are giving up about .7 GB with one click lagfix. Quadrant scores are higher on RyanZA's but quadrant scores don't translate directly into real world results. Voodoo and OC until Froyo's arrival. BIG DISCLAIMER!!!!! RTFM before doing anything with either or you will soft brick your phone. Nothing hard about applying voodoo or fixing it if you do happen to brick it if you read the manual.

Old lagfix is old. If you want one, definitely use voodoo. Your options are from Dirk and jt, each with overclock kernels available as well.
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I wouldn't recommend doing any lag fix at this time.
Ryanza's 1 click fix is a "fake" lag fix. It's mainly for faking/improving quadrant scores. Don't even bother. Has little to no real world performance increases.
Voodoo is a true lag fix, however, the current version that exists in the kernels that our out for device (such as jt's and dirk's) are buggy. You may install them ok, and they will work just fine, and they definetly help. However, many people are noticing slowdowns after some usage, that start to negate the improvements. But worse, many people, including myself, are unable to get the "disable_lagfix" working, to shut voodoo off, which is required prior to flashing non-voodoo kernels, or using CWM, etc. If you're one of these people like I was, your phone basically bricks after disabling voodoo and you have to use Adrynalyn's voodoo uninstaller which involves wiping your phone, so you'll lose all your data. I didn't believe that it was a problem until it happened to me, I thought it was just noobs being noobs. however, many skilled people including myself have not gotten voodoo to disable in it's current form.
While there are backup utilities like Ti Backup that work awesome, setting your phone back up from scratch even with backups can be a pain. If you don't like doing such things, I wouldn't bother messing with voodoo for now.
There IS a new voodoo base kernel in development/out now by supercurio. However, it needs to be ported over to the Fascinate for it to work on our phone. This version contains many fixes/improvements, and will hopefully resolve the issues people (like me) have had disabling voodoo. There are no kernels out yet for our phone that yet have this new voodoo.
There is also z4mod on the horizon which is an alternative to voodoo, that allows for greater compatability and may replace the voodoo project for our phones. That should be out soon too.
Basically: if you don't mind the potential to need to wipe your phone to get rid of voodoo, and are a trigger happy flasher - go ahead and flash any kernel you want. But if you wait even a week, I'm sure there will be better kernels out there. Birdmans project looks promising. I'm running his test20 kernel right now.

Protonus said:
I wouldn't recommend doing any lag fix at this time.
Ryanza's 1 click fix is a "fake" lag fix. It's mainly for faking/improving quadrant scores. Don't even bother. Has little to no real world performance increases.
Voodoo is a true lag fix, however, the current version that exists in the kernels that our out for device (such as jt's and dirk's) are buggy. You may install them ok, and they will work just fine, and they definetly help. However, many people are noticing slowdowns after some usage, that start to negate the improvements. But worse, many people, including myself, are unable to get the "disable_lagfix" working, to shut voodoo off, which is required prior to flashing non-voodoo kernels, or using CWM, etc. If you're one of these people like I was, your phone basically bricks after disabling voodoo and you have to use Adrynalyn's voodoo uninstaller which involves wiping your phone, so you'll lose all your data. I didn't believe that it was a problem until it happened to me, I thought it was just noobs being noobs. however, many skilled people including myself have not gotten voodoo to disable in it's current form.
While there are backup utilities like Ti Backup that work awesome, setting your phone back up from scratch even with backups can be a pain. If you don't like doing such things, I wouldn't bother messing with voodoo for now.
There IS a new voodoo base kernel in development/out now by supercurio. However, it needs to be ported over to the Fascinate for it to work on our phone. This version contains many fixes/improvements, and will hopefully resolve the issues people (like me) have had disabling voodoo. There are no kernels out yet for our phone that yet have this new voodoo.
There is also z4mod on the horizon which is an alternative to voodoo, that allows for greater compatability and may replace the voodoo project for our phones. That should be out soon too.
Basically: if you don't mind the potential to need to wipe your phone to get rid of voodoo, and are a trigger happy flasher - go ahead and flash any kernel you want. But if you wait even a week, I'm sure there will be better kernels out there. Birdmans project looks promising. I'm running his test20 kernel right now.
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^ well said ^
the disable_lagfix worked for me, luckily; now i'm running a clean rom with no voodoo and no overclock - works great without either of these (more stable and still very fast!)

Protonus said:
I wouldn't recommend doing any lag fix at this time.
Ryanza's 1 click fix is a "fake" lag fix. It's mainly for faking/improving quadrant scores. Don't even bother. Has little to no real world performance increases.
Voodoo is a true lag fix, however, the current version that exists in the kernels that our out for device (such as jt's and dirk's) are buggy. You may install them ok, and they will work just fine, and they definetly help. However, many people are noticing slowdowns after some usage, that start to negate the improvements.
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I've found that the "slowdowns" really only occur on the Overclocked Voodoo kernels. I've been on the 0.2 Voodoo kernel (with no OC) and have found that it's been consistently fast with no lag, lockups, or slowdowns whatsoever (I've been running it for weeks). It's been stable as a rock. Your point is well noted on the reported removal issues (as well as your own experience) and the effects of the OC'd kernels though.

FWIW, I'm one of the apparently few people that actually did notice real-world performance increases using the "old" lag fix. It is most noticeable with applications that do a lot of read/writes to the /data/data and cache directories (web browsers, for example). There is, of course, still lag when installing or loading applications themselves, because those don't get stored in the virtual partition, but that's not quite as big of a deal.
I will say that it is without a doubt much less risky than the voodoo one, as I have enabled and disabled it two or three times without any issues whatsoever. I'm very nervous about messing around with voodoo as it appears there's a good chance of bricking my phone. I have decided to wait until Froyo comes out, and see if there is still any lag after that that would warrant a lag fix of any kind. If there is still lag, I'll probably wait for an actual custom Froyo ROM instead of just swapping kernels around. Until then, my phone is fast enough.
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ivorycruncher said:
There is, of course, still lag when installing or loading applications themselves, because those don't get stored in the virtual partition, but that's not quite as big of a deal.
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Lolwut?
I think you are confused on how the lag fix works.
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Thanks
guys i really appreciate all of your input you have been really helpful...i am coming from the original droid and i was flash happy but the fascinate seems a bit more complicated as of now i am trying to research alot right now and really hoping for some froyo because i truly do miss it. so i think i might just keep it rooted and give it a few weeks and see whats on the horizon

I hear you, I am in the same boat. A little harder to find the info here as well. But there is a lot of great info here and helpful people!
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adrynalyne said:
Lolwut?
I think you are confused on how the lag fix works.
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Nope, I went through every line of code in the setup script, and I know exactly how it works. It simply creates a virtual ext2 partition within a data file that contains your /data/data, /data/system, and /data/dalvik-cache directories. The apps themselves (apk files) are stored in /data/app, so they're still on the physical RFS partition, which has slower read/write times.
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ivorycruncher said:
Nope, I went through every line of code in the setup script, and I know exactly how it works. It simply creates a virtual ext2 partition within a data file that contains your /data/data, /data/system, and /data/dalvik-cache directories. The apps themselves (apk files) are stored in /data/app, so they're still on the physical RFS partition, which has slower read/write times.
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Now I definitely know you are confused.
I'll give you a hint:
pssst: RFS is only slow on writing.

adrynalyne said:
Now I definitely know you are confused.
I'll give you a hint:
pssst: RFS is only slow on writing.
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This is getting interesting... Popcorn anyone?

No worries, I am done. Some of these guys are interesting because they don't actually know what the lag fix is for

adrynalyne said:
No worries, I am done. Some of these guys are interesting because they don't actually know what the lag fix is for
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Okay, I admit, I didn't know it was just the write speed that was an issue. However, I don't appreciate the fact that you made it sound like everything I said was incorrect, because that's not true. While loading apps may not be any faster, I still see my phone slow to a crawl when installing new apps, during which there are obviously write operations occurring. But like I said before, not that big of a deal. The data and cache folders are what really matter, as data frequently gets written to those directories.
I'm well aware that the virtual ext2 partition is not as good as a true physical ext4 partition, but it's still better than RFS, and the extra benefit Voodoo brings is not worth the risk of bricking my phone, in my opinion. Anyway, 'nuff said.
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Thinking of moving from my incredible to a fascinate and i see a lot of posts about "lag." After playing with one in the store I'm wondering if it is lag associated with the UI (swipe between home screens for instance) which seems way slower than the incredible or lag only associated with installing programs. I love the hardware, but honestly Touchwiz seems a bit slow overall for a phone with such outstanding hardware. Does the "lag fix" improve this as well?

ivorycruncher said:
Okay, I admit, I didn't know it was just the write speed that was an issue. However, I don't appreciate the fact that you made it sound like everything I said was incorrect, because that's not true. While loading apps may not be any faster, I still see my phone slow to a crawl when installing new apps, during which there are obviously write operations occurring. But like I said before, not that big of a deal. The data and cache folders are what really matter, as data frequently gets written to those directories.
I'm well aware that the virtual ext2 partition is not as good as a true physical ext4 partition, but it's still better than RFS, and the extra benefit Voodoo brings is not worth the risk of bricking my phone, in my opinion. Anyway, 'nuff said.
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Voodoo has yet to brick a phone.
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nmyeti said:
Thinking of moving from my incredible to a fascinate and i see a lot of posts about "lag." After playing with one in the store I'm wondering if it is lag associated with the UI (swipe between home screens for instance) which seems way slower than the incredible or lag only associated with installing programs. I love the hardware, but honestly Touchwiz seems a bit slow overall for a phone with such outstanding hardware. Does the "lag fix" improve this as well?
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That is mostly the crappy Verizon bloatware and all the crap that runs all the time as a result. Flash a ROM like jt's clean rom and you'll see how fast TouchWiz can really be.
that being said, ditch touchwiz anyways and get Launcher Pro, which is all around better...
The lag fixes help with the reading and writing of data to the internal memory of the phone, which is formatted using a propiretary RFS format, rather than a more common / faster one like ext4. So you'll see the speed improvements doing things like writing/reading from a database (such as pulling up a list of all your installed programs), or when installing an app from the market, etc. While the phone with a clean ROM (like JT1134's super clean) is VERY fast, and even faster over clocked, you'll notice on the stock kernel, sometimes it doesn't seem as fast as it should be doing somethings, for a moment, like it pauses. This is the "lag" in question.
It's really not that bad, either way, once you have a clean ROM, and a better kernel loaded.
I can pretty much guarantee you'll love the Fascinate vs. an Incredible once you hack it up a bit Get the kickstand case ;-)

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nmyeti said:
Thinking of moving from my incredible to a fascinate and i see a lot of posts about "lag." After playing with one in the store I'm wondering if it is lag associated with the UI (swipe between home screens for instance) which seems way slower than the incredible or lag only associated with installing programs. I love the hardware, but honestly Touchwiz seems a bit slow overall for a phone with such outstanding hardware. Does the "lag fix" improve this as well?
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[POLL] Which gsm hero rom is running on your phone?

[POLL] Which gsm hero rom is CURRENTLY running on your phone?
Choose one and we'll see what's going on in the world of our little gsm heros.
I don't see a poll like this for gsm hero - certainly nothing with current roms.

Good idea for a poll! I too would like to know what is happening with our little Hero(s).

thanks
I decided to limit to only one answer, what's running right now, since many of us nandroid and flash regularly we could end up with the 5 or 6 most obvious answers all being voted for by everyone. to me that's just silly.
at least this is scientific: if not absolutely indicative of everyone's favorite rom, at least it's indicative of the current choice.
Could be used for a trend chart if in the future we do the same poll again and compare results.

a.t.m. running:
- 2.3 gingerbread - cronos
Working good, happy Gingerbread user

DjoeN said:
a.t.m. running:
- 2.3 gingerbread - cronos
Working good, happy Gingerbread user
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Dito, and voted as such

note: I kept results anonymous (hopefully) so if you wish to keep your status private you can still vote.
happy to see people posting openly though of course

wow hahaha reload first page of gsm hero development forum and every rom thread's most recent post is my link to this poll.
I wanted to be fair so tried to post the link for every rom that is getting current thread discussion.
but no posts there after my posts, even after 15 minutes or so - I suppose everyone's here voting.
pretty much the results I expected aside from the mass of gb users!
surprising about rcmix and tegro - I know of some users of those roms currently.

wow - you VR12 guys - you could consider backing up (using nandroid) and trying out RCmix or tegro. they're both much newer versions of sense roms that are quicker in some ways and also offer newer nicer features (newer widgets and other good things). but good that you're happy with vr12 still
Cheers

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wow - you VR12 guys - you could consider backing up (using nandroid) and trying out RCmix or tegro. they're both much newer versions of sense roms that are quicker in some ways and also offer newer nicer features (newer widgets and other good things). but good that you're happy with vr12 still
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Hey dkelley, long time no speak (again)
Interesting you mentioned VR12... I have been looking into security of the Android platform, and I would strongly recommend people move off Sense-based ROMs, and onto a Froyo custom ROM for now...
I am not at liberty to give details of the exploit (and I don't have full details), given most non-custom ROM devices will sit for the rest of their lives, vulnerable to this, but I understand that the 2.1 ROMs have some pretty serious security holes in the browser system, which appear to be better in the last set of sources I pulled from CM on the froyo tree (for FroydVillain 1.7.x)
So while it's interesting to see people still using VR12, I would suggest everyone on a Sense-based ROM moves to a "proper" 2.2 vanilla ROM. I don't think a Sense UI 2.2 ROM would be safe, so I'd discourage those too. It appears you need something CM based, and pretty recent.
As such, I would urge anyone using older CM-based ROMs (say from before November or October) to upgrade if they are concerned about security while surfing the internet. HTC don't seem to be interested in fixing the vulnerability, but I checked FV 1.7 and it is not vulnerable to this one attack.
If you support the idea of HTC being pressed into updating their phones (remember that EVERY user of the Hero, who isn't on a custom ROM, is vulnerable to any security exploits, which will not be fixed unless they do an update), then check out http://bit.ly/fDGHPV, where I am trying to get some support together before I contact HTC and mobile carriers.
PS Don, I seem to have derailed this a bit... Figured it was perhaps best to post this in here, since there's no point in making a new thread that we want to get many people to do, and you already did the "donkey work" so to speak. If this derails the thread, I'll sweep it out into another thread if you want

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If you support the idea of HTC being pressed into updating their phones (remember that EVERY user of the Hero, who isn't on a custom ROM, is vulnerable to any security exploits, which will not be fixed unless they do an update), then check out http://bit.ly/fDGHPV, where I am trying to get some support together before I contact HTC and mobile carriers.
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Hi....
Do you have any CVE references ?
http://cve.mitre.org/
This is just a blog with without any CVE-refs as I can see.....
http://thomascannon.net/blog/2010/11/android-data-stealing-vulnerability/

Hey Pulser
surprised you didn't send me a warning for spamming the same post linking to this thread in like a dozen gsm hero threads within 5 minutes yesterday LoL
Interesting, and a little scary, what you're saying.
But being the scientific (and slightly cynical) type I tend not to believe anything without either proof or at least further information.
I'll read up on it some - but can you summarize the possible type of damage? such as gathering of private data by parties who know about the exploit? or damage to the phone via intentional cause (again by parties in the know)? or what

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Hey Pulser
surprised you didn't send me a warning for spamming the same post linking to this thread in like a dozen gsm hero threads within 5 minutes yesterday LoL
Interesting, and a little scary, what you're saying.
But being the scientific (and slightly cynical) type I tend not to believe anything without either proof or at least further information.
I'll read up on it some - but can you summarize the possible type of damage? such as gathering of private data by parties who know about the exploit? or damage to the phone via intentional cause (again by parties in the know)? or what
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I went back to Cronosproject 1.7.2 from gb beta 6. Even the massive headway they made thus far has been awesome with Fee and Ele together I can't see how it can be made as good as 1.7.2. Its way behind on performance and hogs memory with the minimum system and regular apps installed. The battery seems awesome but not much in there to use it. I'll wait till full release or stick with this rom. I can have a desire on wife's upgrade but I fancy something more now.desire is very quick.
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spikey68 said:
I went back to Cronosproject 1.7.2 from gb beta 6. Even the massive headway they made thus far has been awesome with Fee and Ele together I can't see how it can be made as good as 1.7.2. Its way behind on performance and hogs memory with the minimum system and regular apps installed. The battery seems awesome but not much in there to use it. I'll wait till full release or stick with this rom. I can have a desire on wife's upgrade but I fancy something more now.desire is very quick.
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agreed but give it time, and disagreed about "hogs memory": using the available memory like crazy is done to speed up performance, it's not hogging anything in a bad way. when something else requests memory that memory is freed up.
gb's memory manager is years ahead of it's predecessors
but yea, it will take a while.
Note - it's at 0.0.7 now and has everything working except camera which they're working on. performance is always improving, all sensors work now, and it's pretty amazing.

I just need a more stable build for now dude. Grafix and app issues made me revert. I'm sure with input on Cronus now they will make it much better. They need to get used to each others methods of building. I love it on there and not many will give it the dedication that Feeyo puts in. Ele is not dissimilar so expect great things. The futures bright
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I just need a more stable build for now dude. Grafix and app issues made me revert. I'm sure with input on Cronus now they will make it much better. They need to get used to each others methods of building. I love it on there and not many will give it the dedication that Feeyo puts in. Ele is not dissimilar so expect great things. The futures bright
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agreed. was just correcting you about the memory hogging thing since it's a good thing not a bad thing.
edit: well, not agreed about stability LoL. sorry I keep doing that . I'm running it and have for days and it's super stable. gui speed has improved a ton now too. you wouldn't know you were in such a new rom if you tried it on my phone cuz I disabled the animatinos etc very carefully in various settings places and use LP and so on.
BUT for me the fastest rom is still cronos eclair lite - it's gui, with LP, is noticeably faster than with other roms. If only it wasn't 2.1 based (with it's EXCEPTIONALLY slow and crappy applications manager and so on).

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agreed. was just correcting you about the memory hogging thing since it's a good thing not a bad thing.
edit: well, not agreed about stability LoL. sorry I keep doing that . I'm running it and have for days and it's super stable. gui speed has improved a ton now too. you wouldn't know you were in such a new rom if you tried it on my phone cuz I disabled the animatinos etc very carefully in various settings places and use LP and so on.
BUT for me the fastest rom is still cronos eclair lite - it's gui, with LP, is noticeably faster than with other roms. If only it wasn't 2.1 based (with it's EXCEPTIONALLY slow and crappy applications manager and so on).
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I just had fc's with too many things. Neo, quad, then regular apps and no market. With minimal apps it was slowing right down. I figured that no matter how good the memory allocation manager if you don't have the physical memory the manager can't work right. I'll wait. Do you have basics like market working?
I never had any kind of lag with 1.7.2. The GUI is awesome. It benches close to the desire.
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I just had fc's with too many things. Neo, quad, then regular apps and no market. With minimal apps it was slowing right down. I figured that no matter how good the memory allocation manager if you don't have the physical memory the manager can't work right. I'll wait. Do you have basics like market working?
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everything's workign perfectly, no FCs, market's been fine for several versions now for most of us. everything except camera apps and certain specific graphics apps work great now.
neocore's broken, doesn't matter of course, same with quad, it's not relevant to anything. They're apps designed for certain operating system versions and hardware and the hero running gb doesn't fit the bill. those are are irrelevant apps that can be dismissed.
I play lots of games and they're working just great. all productivity and utility apps are great.
audio and multimedia stuff are fine too. not really sure where you were getting FCs but it sounds like it needed a new wipe and reflash possibly.
but then there's that strange thing were not every rom works on everyone's hero - I'll never know why, but I swear it's true
apps2sd and so on are working now (with a patch from elelinux). there's something that's slowing down the gui and animations still, and I accidentally had my gb phone running super fast in those areas when my app2sd flash borked. So I know a solution is possible to that last little bit of performance...

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everything's workign perfectly, no FCs, market's been fine for several versions now for most of us. everything except camera apps and certain specific graphics apps work great now.
neocore's broken, doesn't matter of course, same with quad, it's not relevant to anything. They're apps designed for certain operating system versions and hardware and the hero running gb doesn't fit the bill. those are are irrelevant apps that can be dismissed.
I play lots of games and they're working just great. all productivity and utility apps are great.
audio and multimedia stuff are fine too. not really sure where you were getting FCs but it sounds like it needed a new wipe and reflash possibly.
but then there's that strange thing were not every rom works on everyone's hero - I'll never know why, but I swear it's true
apps2sd and so on are working now (with a patch from elelinux). there's something that's slowing down the gui and animations still, and I accidentally had my gb phone running super fast in those areas when my app2sd flash borked. So I know a solution is possible to that last little bit of performance...
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Weird dude. I haven't had time to go through the thread but I will now and go again. I could swear I full factory reset and wiped everything.
I had a long week with kids but thanks, I wondered why it was so bad.... but it wasn't! And no mention of my probs!
Taxi for spike...
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spikey68 said:
Weird dude. I haven't had time to go through the thread but I will now and go again. I could swear I full factory reset and wiped everything.
I had a long week with kids but thanks, I wondered why it was so bad.... but it wasn't! And no mention of my probs!
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haha - well hopefully it'll work better for you now than it did before. you will find slow gui screen animations at times though so it's worth disabling all of that and using launcherpro (if you can find launcherpro anywhere considering fede's rather frustrating emergency issue at the moment).

My launcher pro plus backup will work wont it?
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Speed of stock Froyo rom v CM7 poll

Just out of interest as there seems to be a difference of opinion on this.
I find CM7 faster, even when not overclocked.

90% of the vote for CM7 is about what I was expecting.
Can't understand why some people seem to prefer the stock rom.

Because stuff like this is subjective. That apart, few cant live without HTC Sense.

Not when it comes to performance/speed (which is the point of this poll) .
A benchmarking app would show a performance increase after flashing CM7.

Definitely CM7........ my keyboard finally works the way it should

I already had this argument with someone else, so not going to go over it again. But, I'll just state the main point I want to make: Synthetic benchmarks are NOT an indicator of real world performance.

And what will happen if it is proved that cm7 has more performance benchmark than stock. Nothing..... And it is not just the performance but also about features.
Just be happier that wildfire got rooted after ages. The waiting is good bcoz it even got s-off. Thanks to alpharevX again.
And thanks for comparing it with stock rom alone.
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Before root = root root root
After root. = stock stock stock
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Sent from my HTC Wildfire using XDA App

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I already had this argument with someone else, so not going to go over it again. But, I'll just state the main point I want to make: Synthetic benchmarks are NOT an indicator of real world performance.
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Er, wasn't looking for an argument, just trying to gauge the general opinion on whether people find their wildfire faster after flashing cm7.
And yes, I'm aware benchmarking isn't 100% accurate, that's why I started the poll.
Not to prove anything, just to get a consensus.

Guys, please, when you say CM7 is better at performance, can anyone with CM7 confirm to run google maps properly ? They run like sh*t on my device. On froyo they were 100% responsive and fast, now they are unusable.
Btw my observations so far, the rom is far from faster, it is just overhyped rom and people vote its faster, because they read everywhere its faster. My opinion. Maybe on more hw capable devices it is indeed faster.
Don't get me wrong, it's very good looking and seems optimized with tons of tweaks and settings, but i prefer rather 100% performance over tweaks...
In fact, the stock rom is much faster in certain situations. (ie google maps, homescreen scrolling)
But the google maps may be some other problem than the rom.

The homescreen scrolling isn't dependant as much on the ROM as it is on the launcher...

Jackal331 said:
Guys, please, when you say CM7 is better at performance, can anyone with CM7 confirm to run google maps properly ? They run like sh*t on my device. On froyo they were 100% responsive and fast, now they are unusable.
Btw my observations so far, the rom is far from faster, it is just overhyped rom and people vote its faster, because they read everywhere its faster. My opinion. Maybe on more hw capable devices it is indeed faster.
Don't get me wrong, it's very good looking and seems optimized with tons of tweaks and settings, but i prefer rather 100% performance over tweaks...
In fact, the stock rom is much faster in certain situations. (ie google maps, homescreen scrolling)
But the google maps may be some other problem than the rom.
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Just go to settings>ADWlauncher>screen preferences>desktop scrolling speed

I did that.... I've went through all setings. I didin't mean faster as "faster" lol.
Maybe its the launcher (probably), anyway my point was it's not "way faster" than Froyo. At least on Wildfire.

as for me, CM is much more responsible and customisable, so you can configure it, to be much faster. I remember my first opinion after installing it "omg, stock rom sucks..." and I still think like that. I haven't tried gmaps though

I've been working with the phone a lot and I must admit my initial judgement was seriously flawed. The first thing I tried was google maps and together with not so well tweaked system / gui resulted in my downed mood. Now I'm starting to share your opinion.

I use 'Angry Birds' as a benchmarking app ...... before CM7 I could barely play the thing on Froyo (HTC stock ROM).... the birds were 'thrown' way too slowly (I don't really know if you guys get the picture)..... and don't even get me started on the keyboard..... it's sublime!!!!!!!! I can finally text at a normal human being's pace instead of waiting half a lifetime for a character to appear on my screen!!!!! (Ok maybe I am being a bit overdramatic.... still it's true)!!

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I use 'Angry Birds' as a benchmarking app ...... before CM7 I could barely play the thing on Froyo (HTC stock ROM).... the birds were 'thrown' way too slowly (I don't really know if you guys get the picture)
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I get your drift mate.
My benchmarking app is copilot.
With the stock rom it was so slow it was barely usable.
With CM7, it flys along and works as well as any Tomtom device I've used.