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In your own opinion, what is the fastest ROM you have used. And I'm not talking about MFLOPS, I mean no lag wise.
I have tested all ROMs and always go back to Aloysius v11 MAPS. Smooth, no fc's, great speed and it has sense.
By the way, this has nothing to do with dev, should be moved to general.
kaosfroyo is the fastest, but this thread belongs in general not development.
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kaosfroyo is the fastest, but this thread belongs in general not development.
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other, cause which ever rom I currently have loaded up is the fastest one i used lol.
Evil Eris Handddssss DOOOWWWNNNN
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kaosfroyo is the fastest, but this thread belongs in general not development.
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Can you give more on why its the fastest for you? I am not trying to call you out or anything but when I tested v23, yes, it was fast, but wasnt smooth. Are you just going my mflop scores you got? Screen movement, opening of apps and scrolling were not as smooth as Aloysius for me.
IMO, it is prob a more fair comparison to break up a survey like this into Which is fastest for: sense and sense-less type Rom's. Otherwise, its not drawing a fair comparison from the get-go, obviously the sense-less Rom's have a speed advantage right off.
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IMO, it is prob a more fair comparison to break up a survey like this into Which is fastest for: sense and sense-less type Rom's. Otherwise, its not drawing a fair comparison from the get-go, obviously the sense-less Rom's have a speed advantage right off.
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IMO, sense-based roms are smoother. They may not be faster in MFLOPS test, but over all smoothness...if that makes any sense. Like flow of scrolling through apps in app drawer...things like that.
But I do agree with you. Or just have people give full break down on why they like their current setup better than others.
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Can you give more on why its the fastest for you? I am not trying to call you out or anything but when I tested v23, yes, it was fast, but wasnt smooth. Are you just going my mflop scores you got? Screen movement, opening of apps and scrolling were not as smooth as Aloysius for me.
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not going based on any benchmarking, just from speed of use. i use my phone a lot in the car with pandora/navigation in combo and most other ROMs are a pain with navigation and anything else loaded. ADW launher that comes pre-loaded on it is pretty laggy with the stock settings, but i turn off all animations and set the scrolling speed to "0" (fastest) and it runs like fire. I haven't tried any ROM without any lag at all and KaosFroyo with ADW does lag a little, but the multi-tasking power is what sealed it for me.
Just posted this over on kaos thread yesterday but thought it might be good for comparison sake here.
This is my daily ROM now and is great. I am on v20 right now and am skeptical of updating for fear I might break this great setup. I used the mms fix here http://forum.xda-developers.com/show...postcount=3015 and my mms is working flawlessly. I also uninstalled adw, and autokiller. I never set setcpu to anything after flashing the ROM so I don't think I am oc'd. I am getting consistent 5.0xx's on linpak and 422 on quadrant (which is better than stock droid and just under xperia). I have been unplugged with moderate usage today and I still have over 50% battery left after 12hrs, and only 2% cell standby. I would love to have my camera preview working but the camera does work and mms works so I will live. THANK YOU SO MUCH KAOS for your dedication and work in getting this going. Oh yeah and FYI, I use aNetShare to flawlessly tether via wifi my wife's netbook and or my Ipad. It works perfectly for those apps on iTunes that wont d/l under the 3g connection due to their 20mb limit per file. They ask you to d/l later via wifi. Stupid huh?
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And FYI I never plugged in until 12noon the next day, so that's 29hrs and I had 15% left when I plugged in. Never plugged in at night also.
Using Launcher Pro
16gb class6 card, no partition (Froyo builds don't need it)
stock battery
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not going based on any benchmarking, just from speed of use. i use my phone a lot in the car with pandora/navigation in combo and most other ROMs are a pain with navigation and anything else loaded. ADW launher that comes pre-loaded on it is pretty laggy with the stock settings, but i turn off all animations and set the scrolling speed to "0" (fastest) and it runs like fire. I haven't tried any ROM without any lag at all and KaosFroyo with ADW does lag a little, but the multi-tasking power is what sealed it for me.
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OK. I will have to try out these settings when I reflash it again tonight if I get bored. Thanks.
Other: CM6 port for the eris.
768mhz: 443 on quadrant...
I also notice no slow downs despite having things like surface dithering and all of the "aesthetics" turned up. Smooth scrolling is turned on with launcherpro (slows the phone down for prettier scrolling) and I can't even tell the difference speed-wise.
I am fairly confident that it's as fast as can be for now.
choke on D
Kaos FroYo is the fastest smoothest best on battery rom ever. so suk it.
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choke on D
Kaos FroYo is the fastest smoothest best on battery rom ever. so suk it.
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AW SNAP SON NO YOU DID NOT
>_> lol
CM6 FO LYFE =p
kaosfroyo is the fastest but erislightningbolt is a close second imo.
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kaosfroyo is the fastest but erislightningbolt is a close second imo.
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I agree. Not to mention the stock camera app works on CELB 2.8. The linpack and quadrant scores are very similar. I get way less FC's on celb. So imo, celb is faster. Linpack scores don't mean anything to me. Its the actual use that counts.
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Hi guys,
I can't comment yet as I'm getting my Wildfire for Christmas, but I have been following the forum for quite a while now
I know it's not the Desire, so I don't expect the same kind of performance, but I'm sure the Wildfire will cover all my "phone" necessities for a while.
Just wondering what your experiences have been so far with the new OTA stock Froyo.
It seems that opinions are split, some say it works smoother others say it doesn't, etc...
Could you let us all know what you rate and what not on the, really rather long awaited, 2.2 upgrade and if it was worth the wait?
Nice question. Well put.
I'm in the same boat with you. I could update right now if I wanted, but.. I need to know that I _need_ to, that there are advantages beyond the apps2sd, chrome2phone, new gmail app, etc. Advantage(s) as in speed, stability, less ram, less space, less battery..
No speed improvement..
More memory usage..
OTA removes root, updates HBOOT and then you CANT'T root it with Unrevoked at this moment.
It's been said that 2.2 is 4.5 times faster than 2.1 ->
But how does that reflect on Wildfire?
Linpack is an app that measures the speed ( greenecomputing.com/apps/linpack/ ). You can go through some scores sent by users at greenecomputing.com/apps/linpack/latest-posts/
Would be nice to have users score their wildfire on 2.1 , and then score it on 2.2
Yes, it's been stated. But, as it appears, this release is not with enabled JIT compiler, which was the reason of such performance improvement. Or maybe the JIT is on but it doesn't impact the performance on Wildfire..
I have tested updated Wildfire with linpack and got ridiculous score of 1,45.
While mine with Openfire v2.3 ROM scores 2.4 - 3.0 (depends on overclock settings).
Before the update my wildfire had an MFLOP value of 1.174. The MFLOP value now is 0.94.. 20 percent LOWER than on the Eclair! It is even that worse that just one hourer ago my phone was just blocked and it had to reboot itself.
I realy tought that the froyo would be faster, thats what you read everyware. So a did a effort to get it (my phone was rooted), and now I'm stuck with a ROM that is slower than the previous one and, as drioo mentioned, I cannot change to an other one.
I'm thinking about a factory reset, perhaps that will do the trick.
But before this, and as the mather of fact, also now, I just love the phone
My phone scores around 2.289 - 2300 MFLOPS with no overclock and with stock Froyo, dont know how much it was on 2.1. And Froyo sucks my battery very well =/.
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My phone scores around 2.289 - 2300 MFLOPS with no OC and stock Froyo, dont know how much it was on 2.1. And Froyo sucks my battery very well =/.
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How much quicker is it draining your battery? Can you still get a full day's worth of use?
Could it be that you have been "playing" more than usual with it because of the upgrade?
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Before the update my wildfire had an MFLOP value of 1.174. The MFLOP value now is 0.94.. 20 percent LOWER than on the Eclair! It is even that worse that just one hourer ago my phone was just blocked and it had to reboot itself.
I realy tought that the froyo would be faster, thats what you read everyware. So a did a effort to get it (my phone was rooted), and now I'm stuck with a ROM that is slower than the previous one and, as drioo mentioned, I cannot change to an other one.
I'm thinking about a factory reset, perhaps that will do the trick.
But before this, and as the mather of fact, also now, I just love the phone
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Let us know if the reset helped please
Haven't real seen any benefits other than the install to SD card options, its no faster and app brain fast install no longer works. Is there away to revert to 2.1 ?
Also do live wallpapers work now I downloaded one but don't know how to apply them.
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How much quicker is it draining your battery? Can you still get a full day's worth of use?
Could it be that you have been "playing" more than usual with it because of the upgrade?
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With 2.1 my phone's battery could last more than 3 days with normal use without need of recharging. Now it was 23 hours with same use when I had to recharge it again. First I thought it was because of task killers that are killing apps and Froyo is launching them again, it was draining my battery 1% by a minute =D. I've uninstalled all taskkillers, but something is still draining my battery more than Eclair.
I'm thinking about factory reset and updating again with no custom apps installed, but I'm not sure if it will help.
I am a bit neutral. Wifi tether and appstoSD are nice extras. But the performance did not increase that much. So not that great then I expected it to be. Can't do much about it now, I used OTA in thinking it would be great. So my HBOOT will be locked for some time untill the wizzkids get her cracked again. Then I will just overclock that sucker again
Is anyone having or not having issues with eduroam wifi networks after upgrading Wildfire to Froyo? --> Help please
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Before the update my wildfire had an MFLOP value of 1.174. The MFLOP value now is 0.94.. 20 percent LOWER than on the Eclair! It is even that worse that just one hourer ago my phone was just blocked and it had to reboot itself.
I realy tought that the froyo would be faster, thats what you read everyware. So a did a effort to get it (my phone was rooted), and now I'm stuck with a ROM that is slower than the previous one and, as drioo mentioned, I cannot change to an other one.
I'm thinking about a factory reset, perhaps that will do the trick.
But before this, and as the mather of fact, also now, I just love the phone
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Thanks. Your message made me cancel my update download, and think of the things that I managed to do with Wildfire on Android 2.1, like:
- good setup (homescreen, widgets, etc)
- voice search active (although i must admit.. now that i have it, i don't use it)
- tasker
- etc, etc.. customizations and then some more to make the phone "my phone"
Do I want something more? NO! Well, I would like it to be just a tad faster, maybe even consume a bit less battery at times.
The rest..
- ChromeToPhone - dunno what others use this for, but I would mainly use it to download APKs. But.. there's Dropbox for that
- Tethering - no need
- Apps2SD (= more space) - well, it's good to have some sort of limitation. God knows what sort of crap I'd install otherwise that would just rotten on the SD
- newer gmail&co apps - the current one is just fine
- etc, etc
I CAN LIVE WITHOUT!
I need to tell myself I can live without the latest update, the latest gadget.
So Android 2.1, I stay with you!
PS: I love Wildfire as well. Perfect shape (not a brick!), good battery time, almost ok CPU, good price
Battery works fine, even better then before froyo.
Way faster, more stable.
App2SD
C2DM push notifications
New gmail app and youtube app.
Support for 2.2 apps.
Wifi tethering
Security improvements
Lockscreen pin instead of pattern.
Better Exchange/hotmail Activesync support.
and so on.
The new market is included and will be pushed to other devices over the coming weeks even if you have 2.1.
Google market updates are pushed through google and not HTC.
If your device runs slower do a factory reset.
the only problem my wife had after the update is that froyo had disabled her APN settings (3G) and all had to be enabled/add settings.
other than that all is good , even a bit more responsive on the touch.
@ Skye Menjou & webjunky
did your phones have a lot of modifications done prior to upgrading to froyo?
I am starting to see a trend emerging (me thinks), that those that had already heavily customised their phones are the ones that are experiencing the same or slightly worse performance of the Wildfire after the upgrade.
What do you guys think?
My non-branded, never-rooted Wildfire runs much, much faster with the Froyo update. I did hard-reset the phone after the upgrade. No problems with battery life - if anything it's better than it was (there's also a great HTC battery widget available on the Froyo ROM).
Other advantages of the Froyo update that I've actually used/noticed include the Wi-Fi hotspot, tethering, updated apps including a new camera app and additional apps seem to be showing up in the market.
Great work by HTC... I've had this phone for about a month and already got a software upgrade that makes it even better
Now... if only they'll give us access to htcsense.com
I've noticed that loading your battery is going faster. Today, my battery was in half a hour full.
I don't have anything rom or Kernel related flashed
I do have a lot of apps installed.Like swype ,touchdown and others.
A lot of my default settings are modified.
Most people have problems due crapware.
Badly written apps with terrible system hooks.
That or they rooted it and installed the half working roms or the clockwork mod.
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[POLL] Which gsm hero rom is CURRENTLY running on your phone?
Choose one and we'll see what's going on in the world of our little gsm heros.
I don't see a poll like this for gsm hero - certainly nothing with current roms.
Good idea for a poll! I too would like to know what is happening with our little Hero(s).
thanks
I decided to limit to only one answer, what's running right now, since many of us nandroid and flash regularly we could end up with the 5 or 6 most obvious answers all being voted for by everyone. to me that's just silly.
at least this is scientific: if not absolutely indicative of everyone's favorite rom, at least it's indicative of the current choice.
Could be used for a trend chart if in the future we do the same poll again and compare results.
a.t.m. running:
- 2.3 gingerbread - cronos
Working good, happy Gingerbread user
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- 2.3 gingerbread - cronos
Working good, happy Gingerbread user
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Dito, and voted as such
note: I kept results anonymous (hopefully) so if you wish to keep your status private you can still vote.
happy to see people posting openly though of course
wow hahaha reload first page of gsm hero development forum and every rom thread's most recent post is my link to this poll.
I wanted to be fair so tried to post the link for every rom that is getting current thread discussion.
but no posts there after my posts, even after 15 minutes or so - I suppose everyone's here voting.
pretty much the results I expected aside from the mass of gb users!
surprising about rcmix and tegro - I know of some users of those roms currently.
wow - you VR12 guys - you could consider backing up (using nandroid) and trying out RCmix or tegro. they're both much newer versions of sense roms that are quicker in some ways and also offer newer nicer features (newer widgets and other good things). but good that you're happy with vr12 still
Cheers
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wow - you VR12 guys - you could consider backing up (using nandroid) and trying out RCmix or tegro. they're both much newer versions of sense roms that are quicker in some ways and also offer newer nicer features (newer widgets and other good things). but good that you're happy with vr12 still
Cheers
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Hey dkelley, long time no speak (again)
Interesting you mentioned VR12... I have been looking into security of the Android platform, and I would strongly recommend people move off Sense-based ROMs, and onto a Froyo custom ROM for now...
I am not at liberty to give details of the exploit (and I don't have full details), given most non-custom ROM devices will sit for the rest of their lives, vulnerable to this, but I understand that the 2.1 ROMs have some pretty serious security holes in the browser system, which appear to be better in the last set of sources I pulled from CM on the froyo tree (for FroydVillain 1.7.x)
So while it's interesting to see people still using VR12, I would suggest everyone on a Sense-based ROM moves to a "proper" 2.2 vanilla ROM. I don't think a Sense UI 2.2 ROM would be safe, so I'd discourage those too. It appears you need something CM based, and pretty recent.
As such, I would urge anyone using older CM-based ROMs (say from before November or October) to upgrade if they are concerned about security while surfing the internet. HTC don't seem to be interested in fixing the vulnerability, but I checked FV 1.7 and it is not vulnerable to this one attack.
If you support the idea of HTC being pressed into updating their phones (remember that EVERY user of the Hero, who isn't on a custom ROM, is vulnerable to any security exploits, which will not be fixed unless they do an update), then check out http://bit.ly/fDGHPV, where I am trying to get some support together before I contact HTC and mobile carriers.
PS Don, I seem to have derailed this a bit... Figured it was perhaps best to post this in here, since there's no point in making a new thread that we want to get many people to do, and you already did the "donkey work" so to speak. If this derails the thread, I'll sweep it out into another thread if you want
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If you support the idea of HTC being pressed into updating their phones (remember that EVERY user of the Hero, who isn't on a custom ROM, is vulnerable to any security exploits, which will not be fixed unless they do an update), then check out http://bit.ly/fDGHPV, where I am trying to get some support together before I contact HTC and mobile carriers.
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Hi....
Do you have any CVE references ?
http://cve.mitre.org/
This is just a blog with without any CVE-refs as I can see.....
http://thomascannon.net/blog/2010/11/android-data-stealing-vulnerability/
Hey Pulser
surprised you didn't send me a warning for spamming the same post linking to this thread in like a dozen gsm hero threads within 5 minutes yesterday LoL
Interesting, and a little scary, what you're saying.
But being the scientific (and slightly cynical) type I tend not to believe anything without either proof or at least further information.
I'll read up on it some - but can you summarize the possible type of damage? such as gathering of private data by parties who know about the exploit? or damage to the phone via intentional cause (again by parties in the know)? or what
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Hey Pulser
surprised you didn't send me a warning for spamming the same post linking to this thread in like a dozen gsm hero threads within 5 minutes yesterday LoL
Interesting, and a little scary, what you're saying.
But being the scientific (and slightly cynical) type I tend not to believe anything without either proof or at least further information.
I'll read up on it some - but can you summarize the possible type of damage? such as gathering of private data by parties who know about the exploit? or damage to the phone via intentional cause (again by parties in the know)? or what
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I went back to Cronosproject 1.7.2 from gb beta 6. Even the massive headway they made thus far has been awesome with Fee and Ele together I can't see how it can be made as good as 1.7.2. Its way behind on performance and hogs memory with the minimum system and regular apps installed. The battery seems awesome but not much in there to use it. I'll wait till full release or stick with this rom. I can have a desire on wife's upgrade but I fancy something more now.desire is very quick.
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I went back to Cronosproject 1.7.2 from gb beta 6. Even the massive headway they made thus far has been awesome with Fee and Ele together I can't see how it can be made as good as 1.7.2. Its way behind on performance and hogs memory with the minimum system and regular apps installed. The battery seems awesome but not much in there to use it. I'll wait till full release or stick with this rom. I can have a desire on wife's upgrade but I fancy something more now.desire is very quick.
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agreed but give it time, and disagreed about "hogs memory": using the available memory like crazy is done to speed up performance, it's not hogging anything in a bad way. when something else requests memory that memory is freed up.
gb's memory manager is years ahead of it's predecessors
but yea, it will take a while.
Note - it's at 0.0.7 now and has everything working except camera which they're working on. performance is always improving, all sensors work now, and it's pretty amazing.
I just need a more stable build for now dude. Grafix and app issues made me revert. I'm sure with input on Cronus now they will make it much better. They need to get used to each others methods of building. I love it on there and not many will give it the dedication that Feeyo puts in. Ele is not dissimilar so expect great things. The futures bright
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I just need a more stable build for now dude. Grafix and app issues made me revert. I'm sure with input on Cronus now they will make it much better. They need to get used to each others methods of building. I love it on there and not many will give it the dedication that Feeyo puts in. Ele is not dissimilar so expect great things. The futures bright
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agreed. was just correcting you about the memory hogging thing since it's a good thing not a bad thing.
edit: well, not agreed about stability LoL. sorry I keep doing that . I'm running it and have for days and it's super stable. gui speed has improved a ton now too. you wouldn't know you were in such a new rom if you tried it on my phone cuz I disabled the animatinos etc very carefully in various settings places and use LP and so on.
BUT for me the fastest rom is still cronos eclair lite - it's gui, with LP, is noticeably faster than with other roms. If only it wasn't 2.1 based (with it's EXCEPTIONALLY slow and crappy applications manager and so on).
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agreed. was just correcting you about the memory hogging thing since it's a good thing not a bad thing.
edit: well, not agreed about stability LoL. sorry I keep doing that . I'm running it and have for days and it's super stable. gui speed has improved a ton now too. you wouldn't know you were in such a new rom if you tried it on my phone cuz I disabled the animatinos etc very carefully in various settings places and use LP and so on.
BUT for me the fastest rom is still cronos eclair lite - it's gui, with LP, is noticeably faster than with other roms. If only it wasn't 2.1 based (with it's EXCEPTIONALLY slow and crappy applications manager and so on).
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I just had fc's with too many things. Neo, quad, then regular apps and no market. With minimal apps it was slowing right down. I figured that no matter how good the memory allocation manager if you don't have the physical memory the manager can't work right. I'll wait. Do you have basics like market working?
I never had any kind of lag with 1.7.2. The GUI is awesome. It benches close to the desire.
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I just had fc's with too many things. Neo, quad, then regular apps and no market. With minimal apps it was slowing right down. I figured that no matter how good the memory allocation manager if you don't have the physical memory the manager can't work right. I'll wait. Do you have basics like market working?
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everything's workign perfectly, no FCs, market's been fine for several versions now for most of us. everything except camera apps and certain specific graphics apps work great now.
neocore's broken, doesn't matter of course, same with quad, it's not relevant to anything. They're apps designed for certain operating system versions and hardware and the hero running gb doesn't fit the bill. those are are irrelevant apps that can be dismissed.
I play lots of games and they're working just great. all productivity and utility apps are great.
audio and multimedia stuff are fine too. not really sure where you were getting FCs but it sounds like it needed a new wipe and reflash possibly.
but then there's that strange thing were not every rom works on everyone's hero - I'll never know why, but I swear it's true
apps2sd and so on are working now (with a patch from elelinux). there's something that's slowing down the gui and animations still, and I accidentally had my gb phone running super fast in those areas when my app2sd flash borked. So I know a solution is possible to that last little bit of performance...
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everything's workign perfectly, no FCs, market's been fine for several versions now for most of us. everything except camera apps and certain specific graphics apps work great now.
neocore's broken, doesn't matter of course, same with quad, it's not relevant to anything. They're apps designed for certain operating system versions and hardware and the hero running gb doesn't fit the bill. those are are irrelevant apps that can be dismissed.
I play lots of games and they're working just great. all productivity and utility apps are great.
audio and multimedia stuff are fine too. not really sure where you were getting FCs but it sounds like it needed a new wipe and reflash possibly.
but then there's that strange thing were not every rom works on everyone's hero - I'll never know why, but I swear it's true
apps2sd and so on are working now (with a patch from elelinux). there's something that's slowing down the gui and animations still, and I accidentally had my gb phone running super fast in those areas when my app2sd flash borked. So I know a solution is possible to that last little bit of performance...
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Weird dude. I haven't had time to go through the thread but I will now and go again. I could swear I full factory reset and wiped everything.
I had a long week with kids but thanks, I wondered why it was so bad.... but it wasn't! And no mention of my probs!
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Weird dude. I haven't had time to go through the thread but I will now and go again. I could swear I full factory reset and wiped everything.
I had a long week with kids but thanks, I wondered why it was so bad.... but it wasn't! And no mention of my probs!
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haha - well hopefully it'll work better for you now than it did before. you will find slow gui screen animations at times though so it's worth disabling all of that and using launcherpro (if you can find launcherpro anywhere considering fede's rather frustrating emergency issue at the moment).
My launcher pro plus backup will work wont it?
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I have had probably 8-12 Android handsets. I recently switched to an iPhone from my EVO and I hated my iPhone. I wanted to go with something pretty similar to my EVO so I checked out the screen, specs, user reviews, etc. The Droid X sounded great, but since having it, it locks up, freezes, and Lags like a G1. This NOTHING like my EVO and is disappointing to say the least.
I'm really hoping that a custom ROM can speed up the interface and possibly help with the battery life. Any recommendations? I don't want to theme, or skin...no interest in changing the bootlogo, etc... I just want a nice and FAST phone.
I use a lot of apps...I DON'T let any apps refresh automatically though. I also use Launcher Pro. Thanks in advance.
(Please don't tell me to read the sticky. I have. I need some real life experienced reviews....maybe people who have had an EVO or who understand what I want. Thanks)
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I have had probably 8-12 Android handsets. I recently switched to an iPhone from my EVO and I hated my iPhone. I wanted to go with something pretty similar to my EVO so I checked out the screen, specs, user reviews, etc. The Droid X sounded great, but since having it, it locks up, freezes, and Lags like a G1. This NOTHING like my EVO and is disappointing to say the least.
I'm really hoping that a custom ROM can speed up the interface and possibly help with the battery life. Any recommendations? I don't want to theme, or skin...no interest in changing the bootlogo, etc... I just want a nice and FAST phone.
I use a lot of apps...I DON'T let any apps refresh automatically though. I also use Launcher Pro. Thanks in advance.
(Please don't tell me to read the sticky. I have. I need some real life experienced reviews....maybe people who have had an EVO or who understand what I want. Thanks)
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LMFAO, i wrote the sticky, which has instructions on how to root and while I havent had the time to update everything I did cover some ROMs which include what you have asked for, so not quite sure what else you could be looking for.... But if you really want an explanation:
Root the phone using z4root and then try out a ROM like Rubix Focused 2.0.1. Drod2169 built the ROM and I am currently using it. The interface is very quick and responsive. He has added in multiple governor settings for overclock which include a conservative governor to allow for better battery life. You can use apps like Droid Overclock (jrummy16) and setCPU to change these governor settings as well. Rubix does very well when overclocked if that is something you are interested in.
If you are looking for a ROM that still has some Blur components in it, then try out Apex 1.4.1 or Rubix 2.0 Blurry. Both are very responsive and have some of the blur that certain people out there are looking for. Last but not least, it seems a great majority of people like Liberty 1.5. I used the ROM for quite some time, and it is very responsive, but a lot of people seem to have issues with lag or reboots. I never had this issue, so I can't quite speak to that issue...
ROM's are really more of a matter of personal choice. Try out a few and see what you like.
As far as a comparison to the EVO... my roommate has one, and 2 of my other best friends have one. I have done MULTIPLE benchmarking tools on their phones to compare against my X (on multiple ROMs). None of their tests have beat mine... In my opinion, the only differences between the EVO and the X is this:
1) Evo has unlocked Bootloader to allow custom kernels so you can run ROMS like CynanogenMod (but given time, CVPCS is compiling CM for the X)
2) Evo has front facing camera for those who can't wait to talk to people via a webcam.
3) Evo has a slightly quicker GPU (graphics processing unit) than the X, but winds up limited to 30FPS for the most part. Some of the benchmarks I have seen on the X jump it up to 62FPS on tests I have run.
4) Evo runs sense from HTC. If you want a "Sense" feel... some have made themes that look just like Sense....but you said you don't want a theme.
That's about it...
SysAdmin-X said:
LMFAO, i wrote the sticky, which has instructions on how to root and while I havent had the time to update everything I did cover some ROMs which include what you have asked for, so not quite sure what else you could be looking for.... But if you really want an explanation:
Root the phone using z4root and then try out a ROM like Rubix Focused 2.0.1. Drod2169 built the ROM and I am currently using it. The interface is very quick and responsive. He has added in multiple governor settings for overclock which include a conservative governor to allow for better battery life. You can use apps like Droid Overclock (jrummy16) and setCPU to change these governor settings as well. Rubix does very well when overclocked if that is something you are interested in.
If you are looking for a ROM that still has some Blur components in it, then try out Apex 1.4.1 or Rubix 2.0 Blurry. Both are very responsive and have some of the blur that certain people out there are looking for. Last but not least, it seems a great majority of people like Liberty 1.5. I used the ROM for quite some time, and it is very responsive, but a lot of people seem to have issues with lag or reboots. I never had this issue, so I can't quite speak to that issue...
ROM's are really more of a matter of personal choice. Try out a few and see what you like.
As far as a comparison to the EVO... my roommate has one, and 2 of my other best friends have one. I have done MULTIPLE benchmarking tools on their phones to compare against my X (on multiple ROMs). None of their tests have beat mine... In my opinion, the only differences between the EVO and the X is this:
1) Evo has unlocked Bootloader to allow custom kernels so you can run ROMS like CynanogenMod (but given time, CVPCS is compiling CM for the X)
2) Evo has front facing camera for those who can't wait to talk to people via a webcam.
3) Evo has a slightly quicker GPU (graphics processing unit) than the X, but winds up limited to 30FPS for the most part. Some of the benchmarks I have seen on the X jump it up to 62FPS on tests I have run.
4) Evo runs sense from HTC. If you want a "Sense" feel... some have made themes that look just like Sense....but you said you don't want a theme.
That's about it...
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The sticky is EPIC...honestly, it's just data and info. I guess I am looking more for opinions. Thank you for the insight.
I had an EVO and that thing had not once, ever, locked up or froze. 2nd day on my Droid X after a hard reset and it is SO laggy.
Unlock screen even lags to get to home. IDK.... I def don't want the "blurware", but the benchmarks on this phone are impressive. It's response and use have not been, in my opinion.
My wife has the Samsung Vibrant and the specs are amazing for that phone too, but NEVER have I seen a phone lock up and freeze so much. She gave her old G1 to my mom and it's like they run at about the same speed.
I'm real tech savy, a huge phone nerd, etc....I just really didn't like my iPhone. I use Apple products for everything else as I am an audio engineer by profession, but the iPhone was SO limited. I had to hack the crap out of it to get basic things that are available on freebie candybar phones.
One thing I have noticed is that it seems to build my photo cache REALLY slow. Now... I have 14 GBs of photo/video on their, but everytime I open a gallery it takes forever to load. It is getting better about this, slowly but surely....do you think my unit is defective, I am expecting too much, or the more I play with it and let it buld a good cache, etc, it will run better?
Thanks for responding, and THANK YOU for the sticky... If I decide to root that thing will be a lifesaver!
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The sticky is EPIC...honestly, it's just data and info. I guess I am looking more for opinions. Thank you for the insight.
I had an EVO and that thing had not once, ever, locked up or froze. 2nd day on my Droid X after a hard reset and it is SO laggy.
Unlock screen even lags to get to home. IDK.... I def don't want the "blurware", but the benchmarks on this phone are impressive. It's response and use have not been, in my opinion.
My wife has the Samsung Vibrant and the specs are amazing for that phone too, but NEVER have I seen a phone lock up and freeze so much. She gave her old G1 to my mom and it's like they run at about the same speed.
I'm real tech savy, a huge phone nerd, etc....I just really didn't like my iPhone. I use Apple products for everything else as I am an audio engineer by profession, but the iPhone was SO limited. I had to hack the crap out of it to get basic things that are available on freebie candybar phones.
One thing I have noticed is that it seems to build my photo cache REALLY slow. Now... I have 14 GBs of photo/video on their, but everytime I open a gallery it takes forever to load. It is getting better about this, slowly but surely....do you think my unit is defective, I am expecting too much, or the more I play with it and let it buld a good cache, etc, it will run better?
Thanks for responding, and THANK YOU for the sticky... If I decide to root that thing will be a lifesaver!
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I think the type of sdcard you have also makes a difference. If you have a new class 6 card instead of what the phone comes with (I think it is like class 2 or 3) then the read/write speed should be a lot better. I have been using the latest Rubix ROM for about 2 weeks now, and I don't experience any lag or reboots/freezing. I really like this ROM, and actually talk to Drod2169 (the developer) a decent amount. I would take a look at Rubix or Fission 2.5.7 as these are both blur-free ROM's.
I am also a huge tech nerd/geek. I have tweaked the crap out of my X. I have probably tried every ROM/theme there is for this thing, and right now I'm sitting solid on Rubix. I also used Darkslide 4.2 Blurless for a while. It is a ROM built by BBCrackman and some others over at mydroidworld. I would suggest trying Darkslide out. It is pre-themed by the makers of the ROM but I think it has been the most reliable and snappy ROM I have used besides Rubix 2.0.
If you have questions, shoot them at me in here, or hit me up on gchat.
[email protected] More than happy to help out where I can.
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I think the type of sdcard you have also makes a difference. If you have a new class 6 card instead of what the phone comes with (I think it is like class 2 or 3) then the read/write speed should be a lot better. I have been using the latest Rubix ROM for about 2 weeks now, and I don't experience any lag or reboots/freezing. I really like this ROM, and actually talk to Drod2169 (the developer) a decent amount. I would take a look at Rubix or Fission 2.5.7 as these are both blur-free ROM's.
I am also a huge tech nerd/geek. I have tweaked the crap out of my X. I have probably tried every ROM/theme there is for this thing, and right now I'm sitting solid on Rubix. I also used Darkslide 4.2 Blurless for a while. It is a ROM built by BBCrackman and some others over at mydroidworld. I would suggest trying Darkslide out. It is pre-themed by the makers of the ROM but I think it has been the most reliable and snappy ROM I have used besides Rubix 2.0.
If you have questions, shoot them at me in here, or hit me up on gchat.
[email protected] More than happy to help out where I can.
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Thanks a million for the cool info and not just a "NOOB RTFM!" response!
I will check out both!
Just wondering what your thoughts are. I like them both, so hopefully you can all help me make a decision.
Notes:
*if option to customize lock screen exists, HUGE plus
*I'll probably overclock / use SetCPU, so good balance of performance / battery is huge for me.
Duke it out!
I've had experience with both, virtuous is nice but CM is so much faster. It is also nice to have Android the way it was meant to be and not some companies highly modded version.
Sense uses quite a lot of memory whereas CM does not and this makes a big difference with how responsive your phone can be.
I've been using CM 7.0 Nightlies for quite a while now and the speed is awesome, plus I also like the fact that it's Android the way it should be. Battery is great for me with Cyanogen as well, about 26-30 hours with average usage (stock battery).
Having had experience with Cyanogen-based ROMs on my previous Hero and Virtuous on my current DZ, i am actually torn. For me, personally, I would have to give the edge to Virtuous. Having the wide customizability of CM was great and having LauncherPRO was so flexible. That being said, however, I like how HTC's Sense just gets you and assumes many of the things you would like to do instead of you doing it yourself.
One example would be facebook linking to your contacts. I hate seeing a generic photo when I get calls and would rather see the picture of the person calling. Having this kind of assumed integration is great. Other features like the dialer, working GPS and rmk's other small tweaks (see: Virtuous advanced kernel for use with SetCPU) make the Sense experience that much better.
On the otherhand, AOSP or CM versions of android are much lighter as they dont have the kind of assumptions and integrations of a Sense-based rom. Being highly customizable, you can implement different launchers, skins, lock screens, docks, etc.. but I did find myself cursing at some points because I am just a Sense kind of guy deep inside.
It really comes down to personal preference. Try them both for a week and see how you feel about them. Alot of people have been saying Virtuous is laggy, but I have not seen any of that lag. As with all flashes, clear data, cache, battery and davlik through recovery! Have fun and i hope you find the rom that fits you.
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Having had experience with Cyanogen-based ROMs on my previous Hero and Virtuous on my current DZ, i am actually torn. For me, personally, I would have to give the edge to Virtuous. Having the wide customizability of CM was great and having LauncherPRO was so flexible. That being said, however, I like how HTC's Sense just gets you and assumes many of the things you would like to do instead of you doing it yourself.
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Sense is definitely nice, and it's something that easily sets HTC devices apart from the pack. That being said, I'm much more of an AOSP kind of guy, because as nice and pretty as Sense is, it just takes up too much RAM for my liking, and the launcher is just not customizable enough for me. Having only 3 buttons at the bottom absolutely drives me nuts; I've got to have the scrolling bottom row like Go Launcher and Launcher Pro provide. Obviously you can use these on a Sense rom, but what's the point in having a Sense rom when you don't use the Sense launcher? For me it boils down to this, and I'm sure the many other features that Cyanogenmod has that I use on a daily basis. I haven't used Virtuous since I got the phone in October, so I'm sure there's more stuff on it now than before, but I'm definitely a Cyanogenmod kind of guy. Plus there are roms based off Cyanogen, like Mexdroid, that add all kinds of pretty and additional functionality that I like.
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but what's the point in having a Sense rom when you don't use the Sense launcher?
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The HTC camera app is far better than on CM, and the camera button does not lag like it does on CM. And I'm not completely sure about this (and haven't really seen it discussed here much), but it seems the Sense based ROMs have more/better hardware codecs for playback of a wider variety of videos without lag or sync issues. Also, the Sense fastboot feature is pretty nice if you have to turn off/on your phone frequently (which I do, due to frequent air travel).
I haven't given the latest and greatest CM7 versions a test drive yet, but I tried RC1 and RC2, and there were still enough bugs (GPS, video camera playback) to turn me off. I might wait until Gingerbread is officially released for our hardware before trying a GB ROM again.
For a daily, I would pick CM7 since it's quick and I'm pretty much guaranteed a full day of usage no matter what.
Virtuous, Sense, is nice and all, but the lag is a deal breaker for me. The only perks I see from Sense is the refined UI and better FaceBook integration, other than that, I don't really need it. And the battery life on Sense roms seems to be half of what I get on CM7.
CM7, stock android, is catching up though, with Gingerbread the UI has been given a cleaner look and my contacts do sync with FaceBook, but every now and then I'll have a duplicate contact, which in Sense it would allow me to link the two together. The only problem I would see with CM7 would be all of the customization options. I'd say that I'm an above average Android user, but all of the options I have available to me to customize the phone look is a bit overwhelming, in my opinion. It takes me a good hour or two to get the phone set up in a way I prefer, whereas Sense kind of has it's settings put in such a way that creates a better user experience.
So as I said before, CM7 would be my preferred ROM since when I do get it set up the way I want, the phone is easy to use and everything is quickly accessible to me. Virtuous, as nice as it is, is just a bit too slow and too much of a battery drainer for me to use it every day.
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The HTC camera app is far better than on CM, and the camera button does not lag like it does on CM. And I'm not completely sure about this (and haven't really seen it discussed here much), but it seems the Sense based ROMs have more/better hardware codecs for playback of a wider variety of videos without lag or sync issues. Also, the Sense fastboot feature is pretty nice if you have to turn off/on your phone frequently (which I do, due to frequent air travel).
I haven't given the latest and greatest CM7 versions a test drive yet, but I tried RC1 and RC2, and there were still enough bugs (GPS, video camera playback) to turn me off. I might wait until Gingerbread is officially released for our hardware before trying a GB ROM again.
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So what about using CM6? Isn't that a Froyo build?
If so, is it just lacking in features compared to the Gingerbread builds?
As a side note, can anyone tell me if CM has some sort of Facebook-to-Contact link like Sense? And if so, is it actually nice and doesn't load my entire phone app full of people I will never ever call? LoL
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As a side note, can anyone tell me if CM has some sort of Facebook-to-Contact link like Sense? And if so, is it actually nice and doesn't load my entire phone app full of people I will never ever call? LoL
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There is an app called contapps or something like that on market that has similar facebook to contact integration.
Speed = CM or CM based (GingerVillian)
Ease of use = Sense based (Virtuous)
It is really boiling down to personal preference. I did find myself jumping between AOSP and Sense before but could never really shake my love for Sense. The slight bloat and 0.001% lag that i experience is a good price to pay . I hope you find the rom that fits you, whatever that may be
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So what about using CM6? Isn't that a Froyo build?
If so, is it just lacking in features compared to the Gingerbread builds?
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Yep, pretty much. CM6 is very stable. But for me, if you're going to go Froyo, you may as well go Sense. I like the extra features, and you can use an alternative launcher, since the lag on the Sense ROMs is mostly when using the stock launcher, IMO. And I didn't seem to experience any worse battery life with Sense ROMs versus CM7, like a previous user mentioned. But I didn't stay on CM6 long enough to compare battery life. Plus, the theming aesthetics of the Sense ROM and Gingerbread are nicer than Froyo, in my personal taste.
Actually there is also a sense gingerbread out accurately named 'senseginger' made by teamvillain aswell. It is very good. It is the middleground of froyo sense and stock gingerbread.
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CM is a lot smoother and simple.
The sense part on Virtuous takes up toooo much memory and slows the phone down, but the widgets are nice.
Android always comes down to user preference. You want a suggestion? Try both. And give it a good week. Even if you HATE it at first, give it a good while before deciding against it. You may find that once little aspect that will keep you from ever changing.
Me personally, I like CM7 over any sense based rom hands down. With the new gingerbread based cm7 I can easily link all of my facebook contacts with the ones in my contact list. If at first the picture doesn't show up, make sure you have the facebook app to sync all and then just long press your contact and join it to the facebook one. Boom, instant gratification. I personally rely on my ram being free, and the ability to overclock smoothly for playing ps one emulators. SetCpu has been known to cause glitches in cm7 for underclocking or overclocking too much, but as long as you do a minimal amount of research for your setup, it is easily avoided. As some others previously stated, it's all dependant on your preference and what you use your phone for. Try them both for a week at least, then decide, that's the best advice I could give
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My first experience with a ROM was CM7 RC1-4 and a few days ago I was bored and installed Virtuous and it's not bad but I definitely prefer CM7, it's way faster and smoother. The main reason I got the G2 was because it's Vanilla Android and CM7 has it all!
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Main question: do you like Sense or no? I've tried miui, virtuous, gb sense, etc. I always go back to cm7. Just smoother.
Virtuous (and all sense roms I've tried) send blurry MMSs as well.
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I like sense so i have virtuos, cm7 has too many bugs for me, maybe the last release is better!
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I like sense so i have virtuos, cm7 has too many bugs for me, maybe the last release is better!
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What kind of bugs? I haven't found any.
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What kind of bugs? I haven't found any.
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On Camcorder, taking a video landscape, then trying to playback in portrait mode results in the screen showing white and blue lines. Same with taking the video in portrait and trying to playback while in landscape mode.
Also, there is a Gmail margin problem. And there is a decent amount of people with non-GPS (although probably most CM users are fine on this).
But similar to the previous response, I have not tried the more recent CM releases, to see if these were fixed.
As others have said, it comes down to personal preferences. I've come to like Sense recently and am really liking the amazing standby times I've been getting with Virtuous, so I'm sticking with that for a bit. After a couple releases I may look into CM7 again, though, since I miss the customizable automatic brightness levels it has (a little feature that is a big deal to me).