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Anyone else notice that the frequency of new ROMs and updates are scarce on the N1? I assume its because the phone is overkill for the now and doesn't need too many optimizations. Just an observation I made coming from the G1.
P.S. I am not criticizing cyanogen, enomother, modaco, etc. at all, if I thought it was truly a problem, I would try to learn it myself. I am just curious as to why and what other people thought.
crazyyellowguy said:
Anyone else notice that the frequency of new ROMs and updates are scarce on the N1? I assume its because the phone is overkill for the now and doesn't need too many optimizations. Just an observation I made coming from the G1.
P.S. I am not criticizing cyanogen, enomother, modaco, etc. at all, if I thought it was truly a problem, I would try to learn it myself. I am just curious as to why and what other people thought.
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The phone is just over 1 month old... so, not every dev has made the switch, and Cyan Enom and Modaco kinda did about the only things that could be done right now; Make an AOSP ROM and a modded version of the stock ROM.
They got us a kernel with the missing RAM, root for our devices, and Amon got us his custom recovery. We have every feature any other hacked Android phone has, except a SenseUI ROM, and that is going to take a couple things before it can happen, namely a dump of a SenseUI ROM scaled to our screen resolution.
Hey guys, I am switching over from the htc blackstone and have experienced with using roms cooked by chefs. However, I am a beginner when it comes to android and have a few questions regarding cooked roms.
How polished are the roms cooked by the major chefs here? Because when using roms cooked for winmo, each ones have irritating bugs that need to be reflashed constantly on a weekly basis.
Is the desire rom build still in its early beta stage?
Thanks guys!
Cyan's ROM is perfect from my use. I have yet to try a sense rom, like modaco's because of compatibility problems. I can vouch for cyans rom being FAST and without error.
As far as I can tell the (non Sense) ROMs from Cyanogen and MoDaCa are really stable and don't have any issues with standart android apps.
rs0cal said:
Because when using roms cooked for winmo, each ones have irritating bugs that need to be reflashed constantly on a weekly basis.
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Same thing here. Desire ROM has Bluetooth and Cyanogen's ROM on my phone Gmail sync didn't work.
rs0cal said:
have irritating bugs that need to be reflashed constantly on a weekly basis.
Thanks guys!
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That's just WinMo surely?
Some of the roms can be, but thats mainly in test roms or "alpha" releases. Guys that create roms here are good at letting you know what issues are present in roms so you can decide if thats a big deal for you or not.
As a former winmo guy I would say there were plenty of stable roms that didnt require reflashing, ever. Where you using mtty? At any rate I have only tried enoms rom so far. It has a couple odd issues for me but most of them I found answers to, the gain over the stock rom is well worth dealing with them and the rom itself has been stable. I'll be giving CM a shot here shortly and see how that goes. There is in general a feeling of android development being in its infancy to me as compared to the winmo stuff.
The Desire rom is still in alpha stages, but it is polished enough to be considered a full release.
All ROMs available for N1 are near perfection. No major bugs.
faraz1992 said:
All ROMs available for N1 are near perfection. No major bugs.
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don't be posting stuff that just isn't true... Pretty much all the ROMS are super stable (as I type this I just got a call I tried to pick up with bluetooth and the phone froze up, only happend about 3 times in the last month).
However, some ROMs are farther than others.. Right now from what I know ALL the SenseUI roms do not have 100% Bluetooth working... this is because the bluetooth stack has hooks into the SenseUI Kernel. The Nexus One can't use that kernel...
There are always little fixes for the ROMs that cooks produce, but on the whole the N1 has experienced very stable roms for the most part. (I'm comparing to lots of other phones I have played with like my HTC Tilt, LOL).
rs0cal said:
Hey guys, I am switching over from the htc blackstone and have experienced with using roms cooked by chefs. However, I am a beginner when it comes to android and have a few questions regarding cooked roms.
How polished are the roms cooked by the major chefs here? Because when using roms cooked for winmo, each ones have irritating bugs that need to be reflashed constantly on a weekly basis.
Is the desire rom build still in its early beta stage?
Thanks guys!
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My experience coming from the infamous HD2 (Leo) to my very first Android which happened to be the Nexus one, i can only imagine how HAPPY you will become.
I have been a looooong time Big time fan of Winmo from Pocket PC 2002 to WM 6.5 until few weeks ago when i decided to abort the ship.
I have just realized how stupid i am to compromise all my time in a mobile operating system that keeps on wasting my time (i.e. Taking out the battery because it hangs/froze up for so many times in one day, never missed a day without a dropped call, constantly ending task in task manager to speed up the phone etc.. etc.. Upgrading firmware every freaking week thinking that maybe this time it will be more stable etc.. etc..)
I did not realized all these until one day, i have decided to write down how many times i would need to restart my infamous HD2 in one day, guess what?? 37 times!
to make it short, i sold it and got the nexus one! and for the first time in my life, i felt that this phone is worth every penny!
Although, i missed the HTC sense... i now rooted it and installed kingklick version of desire rom which is absolutely amazing! and much much better than my previous HD2!
Now that the Android Market is getting popular each day! Im Lovin it!
Since day 1, i have not even restarted the phone nor had experience any hangs or any malfunction.
dont even think about using the sense rom, they have bugs and get slow over time, not to mention the horrible battery drain from the htc sense system bc of all the apps running, just stick with cyanogen or MCR
edit: i also came from winmo (omnia user) and the flashing experience isnt as exciting as winmo's, i personally enjoyed flashing like every week, but on the nexus you will flash like once every now and then as their roms are more stable, and new rom releases arent that often as the nexus is still new and is pretty much the most up to date android phone, so dont expect much until newer phones with better or different interfaces are released...
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dont even think about using the sense rom, they have bugs and get slow over time, not to mention the horrible battery drain from the htc sense system bc of all the apps running, just stick with cyanogen or MCR
edit: i also came from winmo (omnia user) and the flashing experience isnt as exciting as winmo's, i personally enjoyed flashing like every week, but on the nexus you will flash like once every now and then as their roms are more stable, and new rom releases arent that often as the nexus is still new and is pretty much the most up to date android phone, so dont expect much until newer phones with better or different interfaces are released...
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what are you talkin about??? i am using kingklick version 1.0 desire rom for two weeks and never had an issue (besides the noted bluetooth and camera flash capture). which ofcourse are acceptable to my daily use.
the rom itself is fast compared to the original modaco alpha 21, although it is still based with the modaco (with kings mods, it made a lot of progress)
it also includes the wifi and usb tether application built in.
never had a problem with the 3g or hsdpa and reception as well.
overall ot is great!
From an Android Mod to ex ex WinMo user........please start asking question in Q&a or General.....Developmental section is strictly for that.
rs0cal said:
Hey guys, I am switching over from the htc blackstone and have experienced with using roms cooked by chefs. However, I am a beginner when it comes to android and have a few questions regarding cooked roms.
How polished are the roms cooked by the major chefs here? Because when using roms cooked for winmo, each ones have irritating bugs that need to be reflashed constantly on a weekly basis.
Is the desire rom build still in its early beta stage?
Thanks guys!
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This is the exact reason I am NOT playing the rom flashing game with my Nexus One. **** got REAL old on Winmo
Hi all
Love my Nexus One
being a heavy user of many winmo and android devices feel like the ROM development on this is very dull
any reasons?
I noticed that too, then again...most of the nexus ROMs out are near perfect...and don't require as much hackery as the G1 Roms did...I dunno whatsup with any ports as of yet, but I'm sure things will pick up.
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most of the nexus ROMs out are near perfect...
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This is exactly it. The fact that there aren't constant updates to ROMs is a success I think...it means nothing is horridly broken. This is the first phone I've had in a long time, that I've been so satisfied with, I'm not flashing a new ROM every other day.
We have the latest version of android out there that is accessible by the public or the ROM devs (that they can release).
We aren't trying to backport features because of the above.
The only real (I say real in a non "thanks bro" way) ROM porter we have is without internet (I assume on vacation).
As stated above, most things already work as they should.
While development is slow compared to the G1, also remember that all of our devs also do work on other devices and don't just devote all their android expertise to just one phone.
There isn't any new material to work with. Until Google releases FroYo or new beta updates we're at a stand still.
If you worked in the software world, you would be seeing this as a good thing
chowdarygm said:
Hi all
Love my Nexus One
being a heavy user of many winmo and android devices feel like the ROM development on this is very dull
any reasons?
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Here you go!
http://android.git.kernel.org/
Hope to see some awesome ROMs from you.
Enjoy!
Its a good thing because there are no major bugs in existing ROMs. They only get updated when google or some dev introduces new features...
This is my first phone which is still running stock ROM. With all my earlier devices...something always seemed broken or felt like it lacked something.
When I had Touch.. Touchflo was launched by HTC and all the ROM development was diverted to getting Touchflo on Touch. And with lack of enough RAM, there were always choices to be made on what you want and hence many ROMS
Then I got Diamond. It was good, but again had less RAM than Touch Pro. Again race was to get Touch Pro features in Diamond and again choices had to be made to cramp up things in the limited storage.
Then I got Touch Pro... and within few months, Diamond II and Touch Pro II was launched. Cooks started scrambling to get new touchflo 3d on Diamond and Touch Pro.
Then I got Diamond II, and sure enough HTC continued there trend of backstabbing it's customers and launched HD2 with new touchflo aka Sense. Cooks then started to figure out ways to get Sense UI on diamond II.
So you see, there were always things lacking... which forced cooks to figure out things that HTC should have done for us. HTC's first Touch phone was launched along with iPhone... but touch hasn't received any updates for past 2 years.... and Apple is still supporting iPhone (although no OS4 for them).
N1 on the other hand is Google's responsibility. We have the latest OS and features. There is not enough "to-do" things here.
Regardless of that, our Chefs are doing amazing job at giving us the features which AOSP is still finalizing.
With all due respect to you.. I think it is a bit unfair to say that the chefs aren't doing much.
chowdarygm said:
Hi all
Love my Nexus One
being a heavy user of many winmo and android devices feel like the ROM development on this is very dull
any reasons?
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I'm sorry, we'll get right on it, boss.
It is "slow" because the phone and the ROMs are so damn fast and good already. You can't port 1.5/6 ROMs over because we can't map the buttons without having a 1.5/6 Kernel made for the Nexus One. That is never going to happen.
As well, really? What is slow about the development? We have tons of new apps coming out all the time, the ROMs we have a super fast and super stable. New Kernels every day or two pushing battery life and CPU power even further.
There is tons of development going on. Just because you aren't seeing new ROMs every day doesn't mean a lack of development, it means the ROMs we have are super solid, and development has shifted to making the other aspects better, like apps themselves, and so forth. That is one of the best things about Android, you don't need to flash a new ROM just to get some new apps, like HexiLauncher and what not, all you need to do is install the app, and voila you have a new home/launcher option on your phone.
Or, you don't need to flash a new ROM just to get a new kernel, you can flash the kernel yourself (if you know how to follow simple instructions) that gives you the newest features, and features that mean more to our phones running super fast than a new ROM would mean... actually by ROM I am talking about system.img...
Anyways, if you really think things are just way to slow, then either learn how to do it yourself, make a huge donation to your favorite developer on the basis of them picking up the pace (and by huge, I mean 50k+, so they can quit their day job), or just accept the simple fact that there is a ton of development going on already, you (and many as of late) don't seem to understand enough to realize that kernels and apps are more important, at this point in time, than a ROM update every other day.
LOL another one of these threads curious as to what else can you ask for? All the tweaks that are available and possible for this phone has already been done.
thanks to all those who replied.
i am not blaming any chefs. they are doing a highly respected job and i respect them and their work very much. thanks to all of them
i was just telling that the no.of chefs on this device are very less but maybe the reasons are diff as everyone told
like king personally coz he does experiments like blur and others
personally i like experimenting with diff roms , so only felt little jobless as compared to other devices but happy with almost perfect device.
Now this I would agree with you. The number of ROM devs are a lot less compared to the G1, :-( the phone is fairly new though.. But the ones we have working on the N1 are all great nevertheless .
chowdarygm said:
thanks to all those who replied.
i am not blaming any chefs. they are doing a highly respected job and i respect them and their work very much. thanks to all of them
i was just telling that the no.of chefs on this device are very less but maybe the reasons are diff as everyone told
like king personally coz he does experiments like blur and others
personally i like experimenting with diff roms , so only felt little jobless as compared to other devices but happy with almost perfect device.
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ahh.. so you are suffering from what I call XDA syndrome. It's when you start feeling uncomfortable when you haven't flashed a new ROM in a week. I had that too... back in WinMo days... fortunately N1 has helped and I have resisted so far!
re: above post..
hahahaha... "XDA Syndrome"
Seriously though, Modaco has been gone for awhile. Got stuck cuz of the volcano issue... it's been weeks since he has released even an update!
We are a little spoiled with the N1 I think... on top of that with 2.2 coming out shortly I think a bunch of cooks will be kinda waiting for that to come out before they do any more major tweaking.
The main thing I personally am waiting for is a fully working SenseUI on the N1.... I kinda thought it would materialize much quicker once the DESIRE came out.
arkavat said:
ahh.. so you are suffering from what I call XDA syndrome. It's when you start feeling uncomfortable when you haven't flashed a new ROM in a week. I had that too... back in WinMo days... fortunately N1 has helped and I have resisted so far!
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LOL... i think i have the same problem im feenin for another enom rom but as he stated he was on vacation which i can respect cause im going to Miami soon. I have no complaints to the rom development but i'd love to see more themes like motoblur style X10 style i miss my motoblur theme on my magic
[edit] And before your go saying i should make one myself i tried and it was to difficult for me for some reason.
Coming from winmo myself it was a change not having a dozen or more roms to choose from but in reality looking at it objectively most of the roms are either adding something that came in a newer device or more or less a rehash of what was already done in that they didnt do anything new but they did it in a different way. Not that the latter is a bad thing, the improved layouts people came up with greatly eased, speeded up, reduceded the number of clicks, etc. in getting where you wanted to go and I at least was happy to see them coming down the pipe. As an aside when winmo was as youthful as android is now there was a lot less rom activity than what you see now as best as I can recall back.
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ahh.. so you are suffering from what I call XDA syndrome. It's when you start feeling uncomfortable when you haven't flashed a new ROM in a week. I had that too... back in WinMo days... fortunately N1 has helped and I have resisted so far!
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lol, I had that like 2 weeks ago...kept flashing and flashing and flashing...finally I settled on my highly customized 5.0.5.3, still haven't jumped to 5.0.6 due to wifi issues (and me being suspended until payment next week)
I had 'XDA Syndrome' with my Magic.. I found myself flashing something new (ROM or theme) every week. Now with my Nexus, I have no desire to do so. Like others have already said, I think it's a testament to the stability of the ROMS out there coupled with the fact that 2.1 is already kick ass. We already have the best software on our N1's people. Believe me, once 3.0 or even Froyo comes out we will see an increase in ROM development.
Also, there may not be many devs for the N1 as of now, but many of the absolute best ones have a Nexus so I'm not worried about future development.
Is it me, or do all of these rooted Froyo roms look/act the same? The only rom I have experienced that is actually different is Cyanogen, that is why I have always stuck with him. The rest of them look and act almost identical. I keep trying out this one or that one hoping to see something different, but I just don't. Keep it up Cyanogen...you are truly one of a kind!
The froyo update is only a couple days old. You can't expect too much yet. Just wait a few months and you will see plenty of unique roms. Cyanogenmod is unique, he has quite the platform going. He isn't modifying the stock roms.
And you'll see them on ROM Watch!
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CM6 is completely different than the other 2.2 sense roms....
You know.....YOU could always make them look different.
First off a big thank you to all the devs and forum members who have made owning a HD2 such a joy these past couple years. Easily the best phone I've eve owned.
My question
I recently upgraded my wife to a Galaxy Tab. We live in Thailand and my T-mobile HD2 has never worked quite right here so I will be sending it back for my daughter (11 y.o.) to use in the USA. I will be taking my wife's Asian HD2 for a daily phone. My daughter wont be able to upgrade ROM's.
My question to the forum is...what would be the best, most stable daily ROM for the T-mobile phone going back to the USA. In other words, if you knew you could only flash one more ROM and that had to last the lifetime of the phone, what would it be? I am leaning towards a GB ROM due to the stability issues I am experiencing with ICS (Paranoid atm) but I am open to any recommendations.
Thank you.
id say you were right on the money with a GB rom, , ics is fairly stable, but not quite there yet. Id also stay away from sense roms, they look lovely, but will possibly make the phone feel a little sluggish to an 11 yr old, comparing it to her friends.
a CM7 rom, would be my suggestion, something like typhoon.
stability= hyperdroid rom
I reccomend you to stay away from the Sense, MIUI etc. roms. My all-time stabilty favourite is Nexus HD2, version 3.2a. It's a clean Android 2.3.7 rom. It litteraly never crashed on my EU HD2.
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What is an 11-years old girl supposed to do with a smartphone. When I was that age, I couldn't even dream about one!
RobinS.Buisman said:
I reccomend you to stay away from the Sense, MIUI etc. roms. My all-time stabilty favourite is Nexus HD2, version 3.2a. It's a clean Android 2.3.7 rom. It litteraly never crashed on my EU HD2.
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What is an 11-years old girl supposed to do with a smartphone. When I was that age, I couldn't even dream about one!
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I agree i never had a phone until i could pay for it myself xD but hey all my friends had them, granted they were stick phones but they still had them. I just hope she doesnt use it for wrong things :/ i know too many of my friends who got in trouble for sending inappropriate things to guy friends. Makes me wonder what this world is coming to.. i hate it.
However!
ON TOPIC :S
I actually would recommend a MIUI ROM considering many younger kids have the iPhone, and MIUI is a lot like it. Simply put, i think it would be easiet for her to use. Where as CM7 has so many options for things that she may not even know how to navigate around, but since i dont know her she may be smarter than me xD i would say its up to what your daughter likes, does she like customability, or does she like ease of use? Plus ive never seen many posts about people struggling with MIUI roms (i.e. random crashes bootloops etc) So there are my two cents
+1 to MIUI. I only used it for a short while, but the UI was very slick compared to CM7. Would be ideal for a younger child.
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@radiant777
try out this ROM & believe you me even you would like it
Samsung SII ROM via MIUI
SD >>> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1633354
NAND >>> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1420575
load some apps & customize it first before giving it to her.
thx!
I will try out the nexus for a few days then the miui for a few days and see what works the best. Thanks for the advice.