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yes i know the g1 is a basically crap compared to these newer android phones..that doesn't mean devs should just throw it out the window
all most g1 devs do now is wait for a cyanogen rom to come out and then tweek it..
i mean there is nothing wrong with that but it makes the whole point of developing your own stuff pointless. and if im correct the g1 has soo many types on roms that are out there that were just thrown away.
for example: kings espresso rom which is light then the slide rom..everybody is working on the slide one but why isnt anyone trying to work on the espresso rom
and then the froyo roms, jubeh started with one..chiefz said he was making one..they both scarped there roms to wait for cyanogen
jcarrz and the aria rom..he said he would try to make one..a few days later he comes back..uploads the the boot.img and some other files and basically says figure it out
im not dev..and i greatly appreciate the work devs do..and im well aware is not piece of cake..but what happened to the friendly competitiveness that use to be here..what happened to devs making roms to try something different..
p.s. am i the only one who hates the rounded edges on cyanogen mods lol..they make me feel crazy

SmartBrother90 said:
yes i know the g1 is a basically crap compared to these newer android phones..that doesn't mean devs should just throw it out the window
all most g1 devs do now is wait for a cyanogen rom to come out and then tweek it..
i mean there is nothing wrong with that but it makes the whole point of developing your own stuff pointless. and if im correct the g1 has soo many types on roms that are out there that were just thrown away.
for example: kings espresso rom which is light then the slide rom..everybody is working on the slide one but why isnt anyone trying to work on the espresso rom
and then the froyo roms, jubeh started with one..chiefz said he was making one..they both scarped there roms to wait for cyanogen
jcarrz and the aria rom..he said he would try to make one..a few days later he comes back..uploads the the boot.img and some other files and basically says figure it out
im not dev..and i greatly appreciate the work devs do..and im well aware is not piece of cake..but what happened to the friendly competitiveness that use to be here..what happened to devs making roms to try something different..
p.s. am i the only one who hates the rounded edges on cyanogen mods lol..they make me feel crazy
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in b4 the haters.
j/k. the g1 is not crap! it just needs 128mb more of ram. also, about the devs..they usually do work on phones that they use themselves, and sadly, more and more devs are upgrading to newer phones.

jamesd86 said:
in b4 the haters.
j/k. the g1 is not crap! it just needs 128mb more of ram. also, about the devs..they usually do work on phones that they use themselves, and sadly, more and more devs are upgrading to newer phones.
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lol i kno its not crap..i think its the best android phone if only htc would take it seriously & give us a sequel....about the devs most android devs have a g1 because that where they all started and even with that with all the new phones out..the majority is deving for the n1..while we just get many versions of cyanogen mods..

My rom is finished on my end, and it works just as I like it. I just can't be bothered with a community that wants different things, some of which don't make any flippin sense.
I feel CM covers a lot of bases, bloated as it is, but us who rush "tastes" do it exactly for that, a "taste" (sometimes I will finish a rom like I did with Tiny Hero).
I personally lack the knowledge to fix as many things as the CM team does around the clock (and, AFAIK, there's only one of me compared to a team of at least 8 in CM), but there's a satisfaction I get when I finish a rom and all works just as I wanted, without all the extra bloat designed to catter to everyone else.
You're proposing that nobody's doing anything for the dream anymore except for CM. How about you take up the challenge.
Variety went out the window when people started flaunting feature X or hack Y and then the community took it as a given.
I get tired of seeing idiots asking for a2sd hack (which I personally despise), oc'd kernels (which are just placebo), and other things.
All I'm interested in implementing on my roms is root, compcache, iptables for wifi/usb tether, smart cpu scaling, and a lean/fast en-US only rom. I honestly could care less about other locales, features, etc.

You should see how bad it is for iPhone jailbreaks. I own an iPod touch so same community. People will literally harass jailbreakers to make a new one.

jubeh said:
My rom is finished on my end, and it works just as I like it. I just can't be bothered with a community that wants different things, some of which don't make any flippin sense.
I feel CM covers a lot of bases, bloated as it is, but us who rush "tastes" do it exactly for that, a "taste" (sometimes I will finish a rom like I did with Tiny Hero).
I personally lack the knowledge to fix as many things as the CM team does around the clock (and, AFAIK, there's only one of me compared to a team of at least 8 in CM), but there's a satisfaction I get when I finish a rom and all works just as I wanted, without all the extra bloat designed to catter to everyone else.
You're proposing that nobody's doing anything for the dream anymore except for CM. How about you take up the challenge.
Variety went out the window when people started flaunting feature X or hack Y and then the community took it as a given.
I get tired of seeing idiots asking for a2sd hack (which I personally despise), oc'd kernels (which are just placebo), and other things.
All I'm interested in implementing on my roms is root, compcache, iptables for wifi/usb tether, smart cpu scaling, and a lean/fast en-US only rom. I honestly could care less about other locales, features, etc.
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i definitely understand you..cause i just need my phone to work as a phone..no need for overclocking and all that extra crap...personally i dont even have apps on my phone besides google maps & root explorer..and about deving i would but i dont think i have the patience..i mean CM is doing a great job no doubt..
but the thing that bugs me the most about his work are the ROUNDED CORNERS on the top of the screen..I HATE THAT..lol..like that the only thing that prevents me from using his roms..cause it make everything else seem smaller..
can someone explains why there like that..and if they is away to change it..cause i see when ppl make black theme patches it goes back to normal..so would there be away to do that also with the default bar

It is natural progression as the g1 ages developers are going to want to develop for their newer devices..remember they have lives and don't get salaries for their deving.so it's completely reasonable that they wouldn't want to develop for multiple devices. Unless your putting your hand up saying your willling to learn to dev I don't see the point of opening a thread ranting about developers not doing what you seem to beleive is their duty.
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i kinda agree and disagree they have moved on but whoever is still here should try to make other roms bsides bases of cyanogen... there used to be lots of roms from kin but none were finished maybe someone could take his work and complete it or possibly impliment the new things or hacks that have been made now into the old roms it would be great to have some new old roms out that work 100% i know we can have fast sense roms just look at zachs rom that thing is freaking blazing fast for hero 2.1 but i cant hide sim contacts so no go for me...

ftruck90 said:
It is natural progression as the g1 ages developers are going to want to develop for their newer devices..remember they have lives and don't get salaries for their deving.so it's completely reasonable that they wouldn't want to develop for multiple devices. Unless your putting your hand up saying your willling to learn to dev I don't see the point of opening a thread ranting about developers not doing what you seem to beleive is their duty.
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to rant is to complain about something..im not complaining..im just questioning whats happening to devs that all..and yes im aware with time new phones will be picked up..but what about now at this time..!

SmartBrother90 said:
to rant is to complain about something..im not complaining..im just questioning whats happening to devs that all..and yes im aware with time new phones will be picked up..but what about now at this time..!
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Rant was probably to strong a word but yes devs are just moving to other devices. The reason team douche can keep making g1 roms is they have a team working on it as opposed to one person. If u want semi-functional Frankenstein roms you could always check out what kingklick is doing.

meh
cyan is releasing a good product with lots of features. im just kinda disappointed there aren't more mods available (like music beautification and adw which have become standard in roms)

No difference in all of these rooted roms...

Is it me, or do all of these rooted Froyo roms look/act the same? The only rom I have experienced that is actually different is Cyanogen, that is why I have always stuck with him. The rest of them look and act almost identical. I keep trying out this one or that one hoping to see something different, but I just don't. Keep it up Cyanogen...you are truly one of a kind!

The froyo update is only a couple days old. You can't expect too much yet. Just wait a few months and you will see plenty of unique roms. Cyanogenmod is unique, he has quite the platform going. He isn't modifying the stock roms.

And you'll see them on ROM Watch!
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CM6 is completely different than the other 2.2 sense roms....

You know.....YOU could always make them look different.

What's up in the world of Android?

Hey guys and girls!
Sorry for the long absence. Divorce is... sticky. Ha.
So, I was coming back considering working on HappyRom again, I've seen a few other roms have taken some pieces of what I've done, which is great - also sad though because they've given themselves some of the same old issues I was working on fixing. On the other hand though, I've seen a lot of good stuff going on, new roms, new work, NEW DEVELOPERS!
So, someone give me the lowdown - whats going on, what's hot and what should I be working on?

Well you already have a request for a 2.2 sense rom above you in this thread. If its even possible right now.
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Froyo on G1, that's hot! First AOSP released source code for Froyo, then Cyanogen started to work on it and when CM6 RC1 and nighlies was released, every dev started to release their ROMs based on CM6. In short - CM6 and it's modifications are hot.
If it's about Sense ROMs - nothing interesting, maybe ZXHero and Hero2G1 are still updated, I think everyone gave up on them since they are slow and newer firmware is available.
For me very nice work is what Firerat is doing - scripts! His MTD Partition Hack eliminates need of using Haykuro, since you can freely repartition your /system, /data and /cache partitions on your G1. You can also fake your SPL which is awesome, brick-free method of installing too big for stock layout.
His all-in-one script and a2sd (included in all-one) also rocks, they enable swap, a2ext and few other really handy functions.
Erm, I don't know what else. Maybe a new radio? 2.22.23.02 was released, for some it has better signal reception, for some worse, few reports way better battery life, while others see no difference.
Hope I helped, if you want more intel please ask .

Has the hero reached its limit?

So I've noticed a lot, and I mean, a lot less stuff on the development forum and just wondering if we're pretty much at the limits of our phones.
I appreciate all the work done for our phones, but I hate seeing that we're essentially gone.
Anyways, looking for maybe future roms in the works or something different I should try out. change it up a bit.

kevphan08 said:
So I've noticed a lot, and I mean, a lot less stuff on the development forum and just wondering if we're pretty much at the limits of our phones.
I appreciate all the work done for our phones, but I hate seeing that we're essentially gone.
Anyways, looking for maybe future roms in the works or something different I should try out. change it up a bit.
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What are you running now? You have variants of gingerbread: Jaybob's, deck,cm7, omgb and omfgb 2.3.4 and 2.3.5, you have WildHeroc (2.3.3) with 2.1 sense and some 3.0 goodies, and you have iHero (2.3.2) which is some ios fun and different tweaks and themes too. Also, there have been some great kernel developments (.35) which is probably going to be crucial in pushing the Hero's limits even further.
Remember, we never got an update from htc above 2.1 update 1. We have a lot for a mdpi phone. We will never have MIUI most likely, but my phone is flying now and a lot more fun than when I 1st got it.
Maybe you can come up with something that hasn't been thought of yet?
Most of the guys developing for the hero don't even have one, or if they do, it is only to test what they are developing; they are not activated.
My $.02.
You think Meth is bad? Try being a flash whore with a Gingerbread habit and a legacy device! It ain't pretty.

Yea I've been running Pure GB, with jaybobs kernel.
I've seen the different roms and such; actually liked the iOS one that was made, but honestly performance for me is key. No lag or issues, so probably why I've stuck with 2.3.x
Overall I've just seen a lot of the same gingerbread roms, maybe a few minor tweaks here and there, but overall the same.

The State Of ROMS

I'm not the flashaholic I once was. For one thing, most ROMS are just copies of each other. When I had the Moment, each ROM that came out was unique in many ways. Either in the theming (Roms never have theming in them anymore, they're either black or white) or in the kernel that came with the ROM, had JIT, or didn't, etc. Something new, something different. The EVO was the same way and the Devs for those phones were held to a high standard. Almost put on a pedestal. You never saw ROMS come out that were based on someone else's work, like Slim Based, etc.
Now it's just a free-for-all. I look through the ROMS here on XDA and all I see are the same thing, over and over. And all with a LOT of bugs. Look at the new Validus, 2/2 is apparently a nightmare. 1/25 had issues. I'm on 1/23 and it's OK, but battery life is worse than anything I've run on the Nexus 6 Not horrible, but nothing like I was getting on earlier versions. The First Validus ROM we all flashed over at Team US Cellular, long before it was ever ON XDA, was awesome. Now I can't add the date to the Status Bar?? Huh?
Also, Wug updated his tool kit to 2.0.3 and people are having issues with that, too, getting root. Why?? It was working fine at 1.9.9 and at 2.02
WTH?? It used to be updates meant fixes and improvements after thorough testing. Now it's updates just for the sake up updating??? The Dev community has really steadily gone downhill in many ways since the earliest days of Android. A lot of GREAT ones out here still, but something has definitely changed over the years. Or am I just missing something?

Try Chroma rom. Runs good for me.

I think that I've noticed since I moved from phones with a skinned stock ROM (HTC Sense, Touchwiz, etc) to Nexus devices is that there is less variation in ROM's because there's no OEM skin version to use as a base.
I remember on the Desire HD there were so many variations of the Sense ROM's (2.5, 3, 3.5) and even then you had de-Sensed versions too.
Whilst I would never go back to a non-Nexus device I do kind of miss the variety like you mentioned. The other edge of this sword is that I tend to find that Nexus ROM's are more complete with little or none major non-working functions like the camera, gps, etc that you might find in non-stock ROM's for skinned devices.
All credit to the developers though, especially one's who come out with original ideas and functions that no one's been able to either think of or implement before. I reckon that's the sign of true development, not just copying another ROM and changing the theme, adding/removing certain apps, implementing copied scripts.

michael_duvalle said:
I think that I've noticed since I moved from phones with a skinned stock ROM (HTC Sense, Touchwiz, etc) to Nexus devices is that there is less variation in ROM's because there's no OEM skin version to use as a base.
I remember on the Desire HD there were so many variations of the Sense ROM's (2.5, 3, 3.5) and even then you had de-Sensed versions too.
Whilst I would never go back to a non-Nexus device I do kind of miss the variety like you mentioned. The other edge of this sword is that I tend to find that Nexus ROM's are more complete with little or none major non-working functions like the camera, gps, etc that you might find in non-stock ROM's for skinned devices.
All credit to the developers though, especially one's who come out with original ideas and functions that no one's been able to either think of or implement before. I reckon that's the sign of true development, not just copying another ROM and changing the theme, adding/removing certain apps, implementing copied scripts.
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Those are good points. Like with the Evo, it was Sense or Not Sense, so there was more variety. And not to dis anyone dev'ing any ROM's. It's much appreciated work on any level

HipKat said:
I'm not the flashaholic I once was. For one thing, most ROMS are just copies of each other. When I had the Moment, each ROM that came out was unique in many ways. Either in the theming (Roms never have theming in them anymore, they're either black or white) or in the kernel that came with the ROM, had JIT, or didn't, etc. Something new, something different. The EVO was the same way and the Devs for those phones were held to a high standard. Almost put on a pedestal. You never saw ROMS come out that were based on someone else's work, like Slim Based, etc.
Now it's just a free-for-all. I look through the ROMS here on XDA and all I see are the same thing, over and over. And all with a LOT of bugs. Look at the new Validus, 2/2 is apparently a nightmare. 1/25 had issues. I'm on 1/23 and it's OK, but battery life is worse than anything I've run on the Nexus 6 Not horrible, but nothing like I was getting on earlier versions. The First Validus ROM we all flashed over at Team US Cellular, long before it was ever ON XDA, was awesome. Now I can't add the date to the Status Bar?? Huh?
Also, Wug updated his tool kit to 2.0.3 and people are having issues with that, too, getting root. Why?? It was working fine at 1.9.9 and at 2.02
WTH?? It used to be updates meant fixes and improvements after thorough testing. Now it's updates just for the sake up updating??? The Dev community has really steadily gone downhill in many ways since the earliest days of Android. A lot of GREAT ones out here still, but something has definitely changed over the years. Or am I just missing something?
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you had the Moment?....oh god i remember those days...and how absolute s**t that phone was

What are you providing to Development? And if ROMs are not to your liking, there is always Stock. Nothing wrong with Stock. Where is your ROM?
Rant, Thread Closed. There is no reason to bash Development and or Individual ROMs, that are provided freely.
HipKat said:
I'm not the flashaholic I once was. For one thing, most ROMS are just copies of each other. When I had the Moment, each ROM that came out was unique in many ways. Either in the theming (Roms never have theming in them anymore, they're either black or white) or in the kernel that came with the ROM, had JIT, or didn't, etc. Something new, something different. The EVO was the same way and the Devs for those phones were held to a high standard. Almost put on a pedestal. You never saw ROMS come out that were based on someone else's work, like Slim Based, etc.
Now it's just a free-for-all. I look through the ROMS here on XDA and all I see are the same thing, over and over. And all with a LOT of bugs. Look at the new Validus, 2/2 is apparently a nightmare. 1/25 had issues. I'm on 1/23 and it's OK, but battery life is worse than anything I've run on the Nexus 6 Not horrible, but nothing like I was getting on earlier versions. The First Validus ROM we all flashed over at Team US Cellular, long before it was ever ON XDA, was awesome. Now I can't add the date to the Status Bar?? Huh?
Also, Wug updated his tool kit to 2.0.3 and people are having issues with that, too, getting root. Why?? It was working fine at 1.9.9 and at 2.02
WTH?? It used to be updates meant fixes and improvements after thorough testing. Now it's updates just for the sake up updating??? The Dev community has really steadily gone downhill in many ways since the earliest days of Android. A lot of GREAT ones out here still, but something has definitely changed over the years. Or am I just missing something?
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