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[Q] Giving my G1 to my son. Will he be billed for data?

More a T-Mobile question than a G1 question, but no one knows more than this community, so here goes:
I just got a Vibrant and want to possibly give my G1 to my son, who has no data plan on his line. I think he's less than a year into his two year contract with a cheap little Motorola phone. He's okay with using the phone without a data plan while he's out and about and just using the wifi when available, but if I recall, T-Mobile used to automatically add a data plan to the line when activated. Do they still do this and if so, is there a way to avoid this? The G1 is rooted, btw, if that makes any difference.

Yes u still need a data plan according to T-Mobile. Thankfully we have xda modders. Lol. Go to g1 section and search for how to activate a g1 without a data plan. That will fix u up. Good luck
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It shouldn't be a problem. If you installed one of Cyanogen Mods roms, you can register via Wifi by skipping it and setting it up than linking up your Google account after.
T-Mobile adds a data plan when your phone is being activated.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=452316&highlight=sdk
i followed this and it worked great!

If he USES data, he will be CHARGED for it. If he wishes to NOT BE CHARGED FOR DATA, be sure to disable data usage.

OP is asking if they automatically add a data plan when a new SIM card is detected. No, they do not!
If your son doesn't know about root, UNROOT IT! T-Mobile will not charge any data usage if there is no data plan. I have a friend with no data plan and unrooted and he is unable to use any data. Market will not load without wifi and same for browser or any application or function that requires data.

r3s-rt said:
OP is asking if they automatically add a data plan when a new SIM card is detected. No, they do not!
If your son doesn't know about root, UNROOT IT! T-Mobile will not charge any data usage if there is no data plan. I have a friend with no data plan and unrooted and he is unable to use any data. Market will not load without wifi and same for browser or any application or function that requires data.
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Don't be so sure of that!
With most carriers, without a data plan, it will be on PAY PER USE!

Actually i have the same problem here. i want to get an samsung vibrant without a contract on ebay. but i don't want to use data plan. i am afraid that tmobile will add an data plan for me as well. so the answer to this question will help me as well. lol
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lianglqufo said:
Actually i have the same problem here. i want to get an samsung vibrant without a contract on ebay. but i don't want to use data plan. i am afraid that tmobile will add an data plan for me as well. so the answer to this question will help me as well. lol
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They can't legally charge you for something you didn't agree to.
Did you agree to letting them charge you for that? If the answer is NO, then they can't legally charge you for it.

lianglqufo said:
Actually i have the same problem here. i want to get an samsung vibrant without a contract on ebay. but i don't want to use data plan. i am afraid that tmobile will add an data plan for me as well. so the answer to this question will help me as well. lol
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Easiest way to avoid any issues:
Download APNDroid, APN on/off widget, etc, and turn 3G/Edge/Gprs off. I'm not sure if you will still be able to send and receive MMS though. You will need somebody else's simcard with a data plan to activate. I am unsure if JF's way of activating through wifi applies to the vibrant.

Shrivel said:
More a T-Mobile question than a G1 question, but no one knows more than this community, so here goes:
I just got a Vibrant and want to possibly give my G1 to my son, who has no data plan on his line. I think he's less than a year into his two year contract with a cheap little Motorola phone. He's okay with using the phone without a data plan while he's out and about and just using the wifi when available, but if I recall, T-Mobile used to automatically add a data plan to the line when activated. Do they still do this and if so, is there a way to avoid this? The G1 is rooted, btw, if that makes any difference.
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Isn't the data plan tied to the sim card ? Rooted or not ? I have 2 lines on T-mo acct., girlfriend doesn't have data, I do. If you switch sim card to a different phone, she "still" doesn't have data. I do.
Just tell T-MO no data on that line.

Bell is charging me $500 per day for this phone

Well, on release date I ran to the bell store on got my new shiny galaxy s i9000m. Since then I have had my phone cut off. I called mother bell to find they think my phone has been tethered with my laptop (which was stolen last sunday ) even though I have never tethered with this phone. It seems it is logging my web surfing data properly but any data an app uses seems to be counted as out of plan tendering. Before u ask I do have an "unlimited data" plan and am keeping 3g usage well under 5gb. First is anyone else having this fight with bell and do u think it could have something to do with apn settings. My phone is not rooted (yet) as I want to leave everything stock until they fix the billing issue.
It is increasing my bill by between $200 and $500. What a joke
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this is the reason i don't want to use bell
good lord Fido, protect us all
sorry to hear that, but thanks for share, it is definitely something we should be aware of.
SGS i9000 phone is a data hungry device, specially if you have lots of sync with emails, facebook, tweet, weather, etc, etc....
but regardless of any of that, even if you go as far as backing up your ROM to an online storage, it will not consume so much data
the worst part is WTH is wrong with Bell? you got the unlimited data plan, so why the hell are they trying to charge you $500
this is ridiculous.

They think that app data on the phone is tethered data. And being that I don't have a tendering plan they are charging me $6 per mb. Nice huh. After they told me to pay and get lost twice I went to the store and had a fit. Store believed me and got hung up on when trying to fix the issue with the call center. They are escalating it but in the mean time I am accumulatING lots is coin on my bill
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I am having the very same issue as you on bell with the i9000. I am covered under the new 6GB plan but i am getting charged pay per use an well as in plan usage. I am alreeady over 100mb in pay per use (600$ i beleive) even though i never tether my phone and tethering is included anyways.... I called bell and they said i shouldnt have to worry about anything once my bill comes as it will be taken care of... i sure hope so.

d3a said:
I am having the very same issue as you on bell with the i9000. I am covered under the new 6GB plan but i am getting charged pay per use an well as in plan usage. I am alreeady over 100mb in pay per use (600$ i beleive) even though i never tether my phone and tethering is included anyways.... I called bell and they said i shouldnt have to worry about anything once my bill comes as it will be taken care of... i sure hope so.
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They are full of it. They will bill u if it is being marked as out of plan. I have a hand delivered mail from them telling me I owe $2000 for tethering . I can add your info into my general complaint if u want. Pm me and I can pass your info onto the regional manager the local store is dealing with to prove they need to fix there ****
On a side note my apn looks to be setup to use the phone for tethering and does not use the suggested nexus one apn settings again I feel that all data NOT traveling over port 80 or not travelling through the browser is being considered tethering by their proxy
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Unlimited data isn't a normal plan option so maybe they're confused. I didn't even think you could get unlimited data. I know they had unlimited mobile browsing but I would think that's just web browsing if you grandfathered that feature in.

I have a very old grandfatherd smartphone data plan. At the time they offered 500mb or unlimited. The trick is unlimited means 5gb and then they start pulling out the network abuse card to have legal course to shut down your data. Kinda like the unlimited plans in the US.
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Well, definitely keep arguing with them, but unless your plan is godly you can also grab 6 GB of data for $30, which includes tethering. Then they can't accuse you of tethering anymore, so they'll just accuse you of roaming data charges instead >_>
Have you had an HSPA smartphone before or just CDMA ones? If this is your first HSPA phone maybe the plan transfer from CDMA didn't go properly. This is Bell we're talking about, staffed by idiots.

Frostshock said:
Well, definitely keep arguing with them, but unless your plan is godly you can also grab 6 GB of data for $30, which includes tethering. Then they can't accuse you of tethering anymore, so they'll just accuse you of roaming data charges instead >_>
Have you had an HSPA smartphone before or just CDMA ones? If this is your first HSPA phone maybe the plan transfer from CDMA didn't go properly. This is Bell we're talking about, staffed by idiots.
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that is a good point. I did have a cdma smartphone b4 so I never know. I am paying $40 for my data but that also includes enhanced vm, unlimited txt and mms, and caller is so I will have trouble giving up what I have as to add those features to the data plan u have would cost more than what I pay now. Currently I have an awesome plan setup between two phones and if I had to restructure it would cost way more
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You might want to check you APN settings.
Some carriers use different APN for phone data and tethered data.
In my case, first time I booted my GS, it was the thethered data APN that was selected and I had to change it (hopefully I always check APN settings when using a new phone).

ArcanaXVIII said:
You might want to check you APN settings.
Some carriers use different APN for phone data and tethered data.
In my case, first time I booted my GS, it was the thethered data APN that was selected and I had to change it (hopefully I always check APN settings when using a new phone).
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That is exactly what I was think as one of my posts stated. Thank-you for the confirmation on that. Mine is set to inet.bell.ca which on bells site is used if u want to tether. Because I am on an older smartphone plan I believe it is thinking all app data is tethered data.
P. S. These forum posts have cost me like $10 as I am using the xda app. Lol. They are saying they will get back to me mid next week about this
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I just checked and my APN is also inet.bell.ca. I don't know if it's supposed to be something else but when I go to self serve it says I've been using data in-plan. I'm covered for tethering anyway, but still, if that's the tethering APN they shouldn't make it the default for this reason.

I'm Getting billed fine.. Mine is set to inet.bell.ca .. I just checked my un-billed usage and it shows all usage in-plan Data use. I have used about 20meg since the 8th also I just have 500meg data plan a month..

I agree. The settings for the nexus one are different and probably the right ones for my data plan however I don't want to change them yet as they will probably tell me that I must have stopped tethering after I got the letter from bell and stick me with the charges. Until mid next week I need to be able to reproduce the issue so I van prove they are retarded.
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TriC_101 said:
Mine is set to inet.bell.ca and i'm getting billed OK... shows all usage in-plan Data use.
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Are u on a data plan that includes tethering? I think all the data plans within the last year have. I have an older one that is saving me money over the new ones
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clearcase said:
Are u on a data plan that includes tethering? I think all the data plans within the last year have. I have an older one that is saving me money over the new ones
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Ya all the new plans do included Tethering.. just checked... your likely right as to the reason this is happening to you.. the computer system is not seeing that you have a data plan.. might take a few level up to fix that for you but I have a feeling if this is what is happening there are others as well having the same issue.

yeah Im going to call in right now and tell them to fix it right away, Im rightfully paying for my 6GB data package, I WILL NOT pay them a cent more than I agree to. 30$ is quite enough already for 6GB.
BTW i changed it to pda.bell.com and it seems to be working... ill keep you guys informed.
On a side not, if they were smart i think they would charge at least simi reasonable rates for out of plan data usage while roaming or not... ie 1$ per megabyte. That way people would travel with their phones and actually bring in more revenue for said provider... I dont carry my phone while i travel because of the ridiculous 54$/mb.

Lol. Without roaming ire is 6 per meg. I just calculated the total they think i owe and it Ian up to $ 3408 since Aug 6th. Gotta love it.
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clearcase said:
On a side note my apn looks to be setup to use the phone for tethering and does not use the suggested nexus one apn settings again I feel that all data NOT traveling over port 80 or not travelling through the browser is being considered tethering by their proxy
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that exactly is.
Bell is stuck in the ancient times, they believe only WAP and port 80 browsing is web, and everything else is over use.... like WTF? wake up, we are in the 21s century already, we are not stuck in web only phones.
At least Fido and Rogers are less knuckle heads as Bell

clearcase said:
That is exactly what I was think as one of my posts stated. Thank-you for the confirmation on that. Mine is set to inet.bell.ca which on bells site is used if u want to tether. Because I am on an older smartphone plan I believe it is thinking all app data is tethered data.
P. S. These forum posts have cost me like $10 as I am using the xda app. Lol. They are saying they will get back to me mid next week about this
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you know what, raise them hell
put your video on YouTube or something, remember the guy from Virgin in Canada, same ****, Virgin tried to charge him $8000 on data usage on his iphone.
http://mobilesyrup.com/2010/07/06/“...ks-up-8k-wireless-bill-while-visiting-france/
I'll vote for you, lets create a new facebook or twiter account to raise this issue.
the media will pick it up in a snap.

Just updated OTA to 1.22.531.8

I got my phone about 4 days ago so I just received this update.
After updating, everything works except for the fact that I no longer have data. The "H" is not showing up and I can't connect to any apps that require the internet... how do I fix this?
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However, when I turn on Edge / 2g, then internet works...

Return the phone to T-mobile. Call them up and let them know you're having troubles with the update.
Edit - Have you gone over the 5 gig limit and you're capped?

There's a 5gig limit?
I thought the data plan was unlimited data...
Like I said, Edge works fine when I turn it on, but I'm paying for 3g... it'd be stupid to just let it be. I guess I'll stop by the Tmobile store if it doesnt fix itself

It is unlimited data but they can decide how fast that data is. Did you actually go over the limit?
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nivlac978 said:
It is unlimited data but they can decide how fast that data is. Did you actually go over the limit?
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FWIW. When you go ever the limit 3g or H is still displayed, but the actual speed is like edge.

lezouave said:
FWIW. When you go ever the limit 3g or H is still displayed, but the actual speed is like edge.
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for noobs FWIW= for what its worth.......
love baseball caps hate TMO Caps.

had the same issue, had to get a new sim card in my g1

How to check Data usage?

How do I check how much data I've used so far?

ezcape said:
How do I check how much data I've used so far?
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go to tmobile.com then sign into ur account, then click on monitor use then click on which line u wanna know about data, once u select it u will see overview, then go to data. there it shows u how much data has been used so far. hope this helps... damn so far it shows ive used 867mbs already lol. good thing i got unlimited

no such thing as unlimited!!!! and you can also use an app 3g watchdog just start the app when you are starting a new months usage

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no such thing as unlimited!!!! and you can also use an app 3g watchdog just start the app when you are starting a new months usage
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umm ur an idiot if u think there is no unlimited internet at tmobile. i wouldnt get anything else.
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It is unlimited, it just has a soft cap after 5gb.

Yup
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Which is almost never enforced...... especially if you have been a long time customer....
I've also heard rumors that if you live in hsdpa+ you get 10gb at h+, 5gb h, ultd edge
weather that's true or not, and in effect today I dunno
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I've heard 10 gigs they throttle your data connection until the next billing cycle
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s10shane said:
go to tmobile.com then sign into ur account, then click on monitor use then click on which line u wanna know about data, once u select it u will see overview, then go to data. there it shows u how much data has been used so far. hope this helps... damn so far it shows ive used 867mbs already lol. good thing i got unlimited
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Weird. All I see are tabs for Overview, Whenever Minutes, Weeknight Minutes, Weekend Minutes, and Downloads. There's nothing for "Data" at all.
Edit: Nevermind, I had to select which line I wanted to monitor

ESKIMOn00b said:
Which is almost never enforced...... especially if you have been a long time customer....
I've also heard rumors that if you live in hsdpa+ you get 10gb at h+, 5gb h, ultd edge
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There's no person watching over your data so there is no leniency. It's automated. You get 5GB on 4G/3G, after that you will receive an official text notifying you of your data overage and that your speeds will be reduced. You will then be reduced to Edge/GPRS speeds until the end of your billing cycle (unlimited). The rumors you heard about the separation of HSPA+ & HSPA is wrong. You can check your data using the T-Mobile My Account app. No need to log on to the website.

Data: 136.4819 / Unlimited Megabytes is mine currently so I'm assuming I divide that number by 1024 to get my measurement in GB correct? So in that case I've used less than 1

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You can check your data using the T-Mobile My Account app. No need to log on to the website.
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How do you do that? On my My Mobile app texts and minutes are listed, but there is no sign of the data use.
I wonder if it's because I'm contractless (Even More Plus)?

RikF said:
How do you do that? On my My Mobile app texts and minutes are listed, but there is no sign of the data use.
I wonder if it's because I'm contractless (Even More Plus)?
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no mine dont either but i have a contract.

Nexus 4 Data issue on AT&T

Hi,
So on my nexus 4, I activated a SIM card on AT&T's new go phone plan which gives unlimited talk, text and data for $35.
Talk and texts are working fine, but data is not.
I have set up the APN correctly, and the data icon (H or H+) appears indicating that I am connected. However, it does not transfer any data (web page not available error etc).
Does anyone know the workaround to this issue?
thanks much.

ap1618 said:
Hi,
So on my nexus 4, I activated a SIM card on AT&T's new go phone plan which gives unlimited talk, text and data for $35.
Talk and texts are working fine, but data is not.
I have set up the APN correctly, and the data icon (H or H+) appears indicating that I am connected. However, it does not transfer any data (web page not available error etc).
Does anyone know the workaround to this issue?
thanks much.
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just reading their new go phone plans.. for $60, you get 2gb data. so, at $35, i highly doubt that you are getting unlimited data. call att, let them figure out the issue. if you are getting a connection, but arent getting a data flow, its either your plan or an issue on their side http://www.att.com/gen/press-room?pid=24397&cdvn=news&newsarticleid=36623

Yeah check your plan and make sure your have sufficient data.

Umm... The $35/month plan is not for smart phones, the plan description for that plan specifically says smart phones get WiFi only for data.
$35.00/mo.
500 minutes of calling within the US, plus unlimited nationwide text/picture/ video messages and unlimited text from US to Mexico, Canada and over 100 countries. Calls over 500 minutes are charged at 10c/minute. Unlimited data/mobile web for feature phones only. Plan not available for Smartphones.
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acejavelin said:
Umm... The $35/month plan is not for smart phones, the plan description for that plan specifically says smart phones get WiFi only for data.
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Doh! I guess I could see where someone didn't see the "Smartphone Plan" chart, could look at the wrong "Basic/quick messaging phone plans" chart and saw the word "unlimited" under "Data/Mobile" without hitting "View details", but unlimited everything for $35 a month? Come on, everybody would be on that plan.

pjc123 said:
Doh! I guess I could see where someone didn't see the "Smartphone Plan" chart, could look at the wrong "Basic/quick messaging phone plans" chart and saw the word "unlimited" under "Data/Mobile" without hitting "View details", but unlimited everything for $35 a month? Come on, everybody would be on that plan.
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My point was for the OP that he will not get data, except for MMS, on a smartphone, there is nothing wrong... (S)he just didn't do their research and got the wrong plan and it is working as intended.
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acejavelin said:
My point was for the OP that he will not get data, except for MMS, on a smartphone, there is nothing wrong... (S)he just didn't do their research and got the wrong plan and it is working as intended.
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I guess I was a bit harsh; I just find it mind boggling that someone with 442 posts would not know that. Maybe I just misinterpreted the post or it is their first smartphone.

pjc123 said:
I guess I was a bit harsh; I just find it mind boggling that someone with 442 posts would not know that. Maybe I just misinterpreted the post or it is their first smartphone.
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yes you did misinterpret... the questions is, per the OP, is there a workaround?
I am fully aware that they it's not for smartphones...
are they doing the IMEI block net, etc?

ap1618 said:
yes you did misinterpret... the questions is, per the OP, is there a workaround?
I am fully aware that they it's not for smartphones...
are they doing the IMEI block net, etc?
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I'm not sure if this will work - but it's worth a try...
If you have a 'feature phone', insert your sim card into that device and call them to have them provision data to your sim. Once complete, remove the SIM from the feature phone and insert it into your Nexus 4.
I am using my Nexus 4 on medianet with ATT and haven't had any issues. Their account manager does not recognize my device - however, that being said, I do have a 'smartphone exception' on my account from years ago as well.
I have read accounts of some Nexus users being forced to a smartphone plan, but I have had no issues as of yet. HSPA isn't the best on AT&T, but I'm often on wifi and you can't beat $10 a month for data.

I believe they are using some kind of browser detection. The same way they can tell if one is tethering.
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gbarayah said:
I'm not sure if this will work - but it's worth a try...
If you have a 'feature phone', insert your sim card into that device and call them to have them provision data to your sim. Once complete, remove the SIM from the feature phone and insert it into your Nexus 4.
I am using my Nexus 4 on medianet with ATT and haven't had any issues. Their account manager does not recognize my device - however, that being said, I do have a 'smartphone exception' on my account from years ago as well.
I have read accounts of some Nexus users being forced to a smartphone plan, but I have had no issues as of yet. HSPA isn't the best on AT&T, but I'm often on wifi and you can't beat $10 a month for data.
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This is the kind of answer I was looking for... thank you!
Could you please elaborate how you got on the medianet plan in the first place? What is a "smart phone exception"?
You could PM me if you like... thanks!

fernandezhjr said:
I believe they are using some kind of browser detection. The same way they can tell if one is tethering.
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If this is the case, couldn't you use Maxthon or another browser that allows you to set the Browser (User) Agent ID that it reports? The real problem would then be that webpages that recognize that browser would format their pages for it, causing them not to be displayed optimally. This site might be helpful: http://www.zytrax.com/tech/web/mobile_ids.html
Edit: apparently you can't do that in Maxthon anymore, at least not that I can find... Dolphin used to allow this but I don't have it installed anymore.
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ap1618 said:
This is the kind of answer I was looking for... thank you!
Could you please elaborate how you got on the medianet plan in the first place? What is a "smart phone exception"?
You could PM me if you like... thanks!
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I have had media net data on my line for years - I want to say it was originally added back in 2006. When I upgraded my line at that time to a Blackberry, I had them keep me on the media net plan and they added a 'smart phone exception' to my contract at that time. Basically allowed me to have a Blackberry without paying the additional $10/month (at that time) for the 'Blackberry Data'.
I have no idea if its still possible to add such an exception - I highly doubt it.
To try and add media net to your account now, you'll have to insert your sim into a 'feature phone'. Once it is active on their online account manager, you can go in and add media net data under the data plan options (I believe now its $15 month for ATT users). Once you've added it, put the sim back into your Nexus 4 and hope for the best.
If its detected as a smartphone, they will send ATT subscribers a text message saying so and upgrade you to a smartphone data plan automatically. Not sure how they handle go phone users in such a situation.