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Played with Galaxy S with Froyo and....

I just played with a Galaxy with 2.2 Froyo. And I can honestly say I see absolutely no performance upgrade. Yes flash is there and a few added features we all no about in froyo. But nothing noticeable! There was still lag on the lock screen and animations. Market was better, browser seemed the same when I tested speed against my fascinate. Except flash.
Was I getting excited for nothing? Any
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froyo update = when major development starts
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not only is that right about development, but any froyo that you have played with that is out right now isnt final. supposedly samsung pulled it to make major optimizations and put their phones up to par with all the other froyo phones. we will not actually know how it runs on the fascinate to we get a build that is specific to the fascinate. Im still holding out a little hope, however ive never seen any lockscreen lag to begin with so dont know what thats all about.and once i put adw or LP as my launcher i really dont see any lag. it sticks for a second every once in a while but i never see the jitteryness that i had on my droid x, that she now has with froyo that is not one bit faster than my fascinate. i dont know about everyone else but im ready for that nice big LTE LG phone that we all saw on engadget and every other news site. that would be nice

If you don't know what Froyo adds, you don't know what you're playing with.
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Daswolven said:
If you don't know what Froyo adds, you don't know what you're playing with.
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That is not what the op said.
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I know I've heard this stated wrong a couple places. A major release is 1.x to 2.x and a minor release is x.1 to x.2 so the froyo update is a minor release. Most of the features are under the hood improvements. I've seen froyo on the evo and most of my friends didn'tnotice a difference.
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adrynalyne said:
That is not what the op said.
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Perhaps you should read the op, and reread my response. The V8 browser boost, JIT, and memory management upgrades are very apparent to someone who knows what they're looking at regarding performance.
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Sherwood1 said:
I just played with a Galaxy with 2.2 Froyo. And I can honestly say I see absolutely no performance upgrade. Yes flash is there and a few added features we all no about in froyo. But nothing noticeable! There was still lag on the lock screen and animations. Market was better, browser seemed the same when I tested speed against my fascinate. Except flash.
Was I getting excited for nothing? Any
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Four words. Just In Time Compiler.

Daswolven said:
Perhaps you should read the op, and reread my response. The V8 browser boost, JIT, and memory management upgrades are very apparent to someone who knows what they're looking at regarding performance.
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Please. If you need to be told about performance to notice it, then its a placebo. Maybe you should re-read. The op never said they didn't know what froyo adds, as you insinuate. They said they didn't see a performance increase. Two very different things. Coming from Froyo on two different phones....a lot of these performance increases are situational, and not translating into overall performance increases.
Plus how can you say the op is wrong about galaxy s froyo if he had tried it and you have not? Samsung has a track record for screwing **** up.
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adrynalyne said:
Please. If you need to be told about performance to notice it, then its a placebo. Maybe you should re-read. The op never said they didn't know what froyo adds, as you insinuate. They said they didn't see a performance increase. Two very different things.
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Well, okay. Since you said please. Lol.
There's a notable performance difference is my point. Having played with quite a few 2.1 and 2.2 roms on my Nexus, it is night and day. Heavy apps and games load quicker and run smoother. Hard multitasking doesn't cause any drag. The browser is twice as fast running side by sides.
Ill speak more plainly then, so perhaps you can catch on to my point.
My mother in law plays farmville and checks email. If I upgrade her 1.8 ghz P4 with a gig of ram to a quad core 2.6 ghz and 6gb gaming memory, she really isn't going to see much of a performance difference in farmville and hotmail.
However, when I run photoshop, play with video editing, or crank up Fallout3, it will be very evident.
JIT is not a placebo. Nor is the V8 browser, or the kernel based memory management improvements that 2.2 brings.
So again, if you do not see the performance enhancements, then you do not know what you are looking for.
This is a statement, not an opinion.
As for samsung screwing it up, it is possible, though I won't care a whit as soon as I can get into either a clean AOSP froyo rom, or a CM port.
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I've used a Nexus One before and after Froyo. We use the phone as a "computer" for research purposes. The performance upgrade may not be readily apparent to the average user but JIT really boosts performance for computations. Froyo also adds some API's that developers can use to boost performance.

From what I read the J.I.T COMPILER doesn't do much for the humming bird processor and gpu.....it improves performance much more on SNAPDRAGON Processors.
Even with flash turned off I've seen videos of the iphone loading SOME webpages faster than the nexus one with 2.2.... that irks me cause I hate APPLE

Sherwood1 said:
From what I read the J.I.T COMPILER doesn't do much for the humming bird processor and gpu.....it improves performance much more on SNAPDRAGON Processors.
Even with flash turned off I've seen videos of the iphone loading SOME webpages faster than the nexus one with 2.2.... that irks me cause I hate APPLE
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I rest my case.
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Sherwood1 said:
From what I read the J.I.T COMPILER doesn't do much for the humming bird processor and gpu.....it improves performance much more on SNAPDRAGON Processors.
Even with flash turned off I've seen videos of the iphone loading SOME webpages faster than the nexus one with 2.2.... that irks me cause I hate APPLE
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Well not that it matters but my phone on 2.1/voodoo/OC with xScope loads "some" web pages (as in all 3 I tried) faster than the ipad I played with.

Daswolven you rest your case.... what was that?
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Your last post illustrates very clearly that you don't understand what you are trying to elaborate on.
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Daswolven said:
I rest my case.
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You rest your case of the iPhone loading some webpages faster than Nexus on 2.2?

You are so wrong. I know your a android fan boy but again you have no clue. Its a fact that JIT improves snapdragons much more than the hummingbird. Much more!!
You have no point, no case because your not basing it on experience or fact.
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My point was 2.2 doesn't offer much improvement in real world use atleast on galaxy s.... that's my point
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Sherwood1 said:
You are so wrong. I know your a android fan boy but again you have no clue. Its a fact that JIT improves snapdragons much more than the hummingbird. Much more!!
You have no point, no case because your not basing it on experience or fact.
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Awesome.
Okay, I am wide open. Please explain technically, or point to a source that explains how the snapdragon works better than the hummingbird with a virtual engine. JIT impacts the Dalvik VM, so you have lost me here. This is a sincere question.
I'm not a developer, nor an engineer, so perhaps you can enlighten me and others on this. Clarify this with verifiable source pls.
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Virgin mobile gets Froyo?!

Well, Virgin Mobile has it now which means sprint will soon. I have a feeling my great grandchildren playing with my phone when im dead and gone will get the update if they're lucky. Anyone suggest a good phone? This phone has got to go...
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I personally love this phone, even with 2.1 it still amazes anybody I show it to. Of course I must have been lucky cause I suffer no lag issues or any other issues other users post on here. I score a 930 on quadrant stock and mid 8's in linpack which doesn't prove anything but it is what it is. A friend of mine with the droid x (which I like also) can't believe how much snappier my fascinate is even though he runs 2.2... This phone will be hard to beat for a while IMO of course!

I think a good phone fit you to try is John's phone. You'll never have to worry about updates

This phone is fine without froyo. This thread is pointless. And has nothing to do with the fascinate.
good day.

I think you are confused about which virgin mobile got the update.
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Jrex said:
I personally love this phone, even with 2.1 it still amazes anybody I show it to. Of course I must have been lucky cause I suffer no lag issues or any other issues other users post on here. I score a 930 on quadrant stock and mid 8's in linpack which doesn't prove anything but it is what it is. A friend of mine with the droid x (which I like also) can't believe how much snappier my fascinate is even though he runs 2.2... This phone will be hard to beat for a while IMO of course!
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I love trying new roms and all that good ****. The lack of good roms/mods for this thing due to lack of froyo is quite depressing!
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Florynce said:
I think you are confused about which virgin mobile got the update.
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Yeah, after reading a couple articles i realized its uk.
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There is a plethora of good roms for the fasc for 2.1. Granted it isn't 2.2 but the phone is still pretty great regardless. 2.2 will come..just have to be patient. Even if it didn't I wouldn't get rid of this phone except for maybe the nexus s lol
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My vibrant took on a g2 in speed test and blew it away

Yesterday my wifes friend got a g2 .I took a look at it and was like this is cool , then I started using it. I didn't know that a g2 had almost as much, if not more lag than a stock vibrant .nerov3 put that g2 to shame. The owner of said g2 was like why is my phone so slow? I was like its a combo of it being slow, and mine being super fast she went to t mobile today and got a vibrant!!! stating the only thing she will miss is the flash camera. now ive got to mod her phone thank goodness for xda and tw !!
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willsnews said:
Yesterday my wifes friend got a g2 .I took a look at it and was like this is cool , then I started using it. I didn't know that a g2 had almost as much, if not more lag than a stock vibrant .nerov3 put that g2 to shame. The owner of said g2 was like why is my phone so slow? I was like its a combo of it being slow, and mine being super fast she went to t mobile today and got a vibrant!!! stating the only thing she will miss is the flash camera. now ive got to mod her phone thank goodness for xda and tw !!
Nerov3 voodoo
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haha cool story, now she can be.. PART OF THE GANG.

I did the. Same thing with the guys at work my vibrant running auxora 2. 2 we tried a LG optimis. A droid x and an evo. My vibrant won loaded and played YouTube videos faster opened random apps faster just fooling around but my vibrant was fastest
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My friends Evo beat mine at playing youtube videos by a split milla-second.
Besides that vibrant tied up with a Droid X

She'll thank you even more when the hinge of the g2 becomes loose after a month

That's funny. I guess that's what happens when you head over to the vibrant forums...
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I thought the G2 is better phone since the processor is better... I mean stock g2 is not better than Vibrant but once rooted g2 is better
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dan12288 said:
I thought the G2 is better phone since the processor is better
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Better how?

dan12288 said:
I thought the G2 is better phone since the processor is better... I mean stock g2 is not better than Vibrant but once rooted g2 is better
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Incorrect.
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I've held my sisters g2 and my cousins verizon droid 2 next to my rooted and lagfixed vibrant to compare speeds. My vibrant would load pages just as fast and most times faster than both. Then I compared the speeds of those other 2 phones to my wifes stock vibrant and got the same results. I would run the speed test app on the g2 and my vibrant at the same time and the g2 would score the higher number every time. You would think it being an hspa+ phone it would be quicker with the web browsing but it is just not the case. Those phones are nice phones as well and i wouldn't mind having them, but there is some misinformation going around the interwebs, especially when they start using tests like quadrant standard and the speed test app to measure performance. When it comes to real world use, the vibrant is just as good.

Ar318307 said:
Incorrect.
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Ummm acutally go to the G2 forums and they have stable 1.8GHz kernals for the phone
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beren28 said:
Better how?
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Probably because 2.2 is optimized for the Snapdragon, while we have the hummingbird. However, 2.3 fixes all that and hummingbird is superior to snapdragon in 2.3

shadrock said:
Ummm acutally go to the G2 forums and they have stable 1.8GHz kernals for the phone
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How's that battery life over clocked at 1. 8? Did you compare that?
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I'm just saying this is what happened
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12paq said:
How's that battery life over clocked at 1. 8? Did you compare that?
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Well.. No i guess you got me there lol. I was just backing up the guy who said the G2 had a better processor
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shadrock said:
Well.. No i guess you got me there lol. I was just backing up the guy who said the G2 had a better processor
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Its not better just more overclockable
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And how about some graphics tests. As far as I know our gpu is the best there is as of now. And I too have ran my nero v3 against an evo. An epic and my wifes mt4g. The one that came close to my speed opening apps and pages was the mt4g cuz I loaded cm6 on it lol
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robavila721 said:
And how about some graphics tests. As far as I know our gpu is the best there is as of now. And I too have ran my nero v3 against an evo. An epic and my wifes mt4g. The one that came close to my speed opening apps and pages was the mt4g cuz I loaded cm6 on it lol
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You did know that the epic has the same gpu as the vibrant right?
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anthonys2r said:
Probably because 2.2 is optimized for the Snapdragon, while we have the hummingbird. However, 2.3 fixes all that and hummingbird is superior to snapdragon in 2.3
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I don't know man, Nexus One running GB is still pumping over 40 MFLOPS in Linpack vs what like 15 on Nexus S
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMY8iDucg6c
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Alex530 said:
You did know that the epic has the same gpu as the vibrant right?
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Yes I do, but the guy had it stock, he was complaining that it would freeze a lot

Mobile Web benchmark

The newest Qualcomm mobile web bench Vellamo, I'd say something new to try, I got 640 on 1.8.3 (froyo)
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I got 945 on my Galaxy Tab 10.1

Got 722 in GB
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This benchmark is crap and inaccurate.
Just stick to sunspider and browsermark.

I got 610 on 1.8.3. Its shame that samsung's tab carries the same core and ram, and still navigates much, much better, even if you disconsider this benchmark.

KingKuba13 said:
This benchmark is crap and inaccurate.
Just stick to sunspider and browsermark.
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Why is that?
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Because our phone failed in this test while SGS2 scores 940~

ofek said:
Because our phone failed in this test while SGS2 scores 940~
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Have you ever used an GS2 and an Atrix side by side? I love our phone man, but there's a reason why the GS2 is 20% more expensive on some countries than the Atrix with it's packed-to-full box and the lapdock together.

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Why is that?
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Go to the specific sunspider javascript test with it, which you can score 2200-4000 ms, meanwhile HTC sensation does 6000ms. Lower is better, btw.
The benchmark will still give you a lower score for it compared to the sensation.
So if all these phones are beating Atrix in sunspider/javascript they should be getting scores in the 1000-3000ms easily right......LOL
Great job Qualcomm, you are beyond a joke again. Trying to make your little turds Evo3d/Sensation look a little less pathetic when they get crushed in real web benchmarks.

KingKuba13 said:
Go to the specific sunspider javascript test with it, which you can score 2200-4000 ms, meanwhile HTC sensation does 6000ms. Lower is better, btw.
The benchmark will still give you a lower score for it compared to the sensation.
So if all these phones are beating Atrix in sunspider/javascript they should be getting scores in the 1000-3000ms easily right......LOL
Great job Qualcomm, you are beyond a joke again. Trying to make your little turds Evo3d/Sensation look a little less pathetic when they get crushed in real web benchmarks.
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Try using cf bench from the market. My evo3d smacks my atrix.
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inoskedu8o8 said:
Try using cf bench from the market. My evo3d smacks my atrix.
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Try using smart bench from the market....
Is your evo3d running @1.8ghz, doubt it beats Atrix with GB.
Evo smacks nothing.

Looks like LG 2x with custom roms is killing this benchmark. 2000 +

KingKuba13 said:
Try using smart bench from the market....
Is your evo3d running @1.8ghz, doubt it beats Atrix with GB.
Evo smacks nothing.
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No it's running stock. It does beat atrix with cf bench. Atrix beats it with quadrant though. Guys in the evo3d forum that are overclocked at 1.5 are smacking the sgs2 with cf bench. What does this mean in real world performance? Absolutely nothing. C'mon man I thought you knew.
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Why We're Getting No Gingerbread For a While..

Ok guys I think I have figured out why the Samsung Vibrant has been getting no support in terms of updates from anyone including samfirmware.com! If you think about it all other Galaxy S phones and the Galaxy S 4G (Or Vibrant 4G) has had lots of leaks and even ETA's for updates except our Vibrant. Why? Simple. T-Mobile is doing what they tried to do for Froyo! There going to bring updates and bugfixes to the Vibrant 4G first alongside the other Galaxy S devices and use it as another justification to purchase that phone, then a couple months later or perhaps not at all the OG Vibrant might get some bug fixes and a Gingerbread update!
Please reply what you guys think on either this post or your theory on why the last leak we got was KB5 back in Feburary.

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Ok guys I think I have figured out why the Samsung Vibrant has been getting no support in terms of updates from anyone including samfirmware.com! If you think about it all other Galaxy S phones and the Galaxy S 4G (Or Vibrant 4G) has had lots of leaks and even ETA's for updates except our Vibrant. Why? Simple. T-Mobile is doing what they tried to do for Froyo! There going to bring updates and bugfixes to the Vibrant 4G first alongside the other Galaxy S devices and use it as another justification to purchase that phone, then a couple months later or perhaps not at all the OG Vibrant might get some bug fixes and a Gingerbread update!
Please reply what you guys think on either this post or your theory on why the last leak we got was KB5 back in Feburary.
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I don't know but i read something today that said google stepped in and now is sending updates to all phones on ATT which means folks who had older phones will get upgraded as well.. here is the article - http://socialbarrel.com/google-delivers-android-2-3-gingerbread-to-att-devices/11881/
I hope they do the same for T-mobile and help customers like us with samsung (vibrant and behold ) users alike..

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I hope they do the same for T-mobile and help customers like us with samsung (vibrant and behold ) users alike..
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im gonna buttrape tmobile

Bleh.... I'll just buy my answer to this problem: Hello, nexus prime!

I don't care much 4 dah update I just feel bad 4 dah average Joe cuz I remember how bad an laggy 2.1 was but some people have had better experiences with it
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Why isn't there "No more Samsung/ T-mobile" this time for the gingerbread?

i wish one of the dev can port the vibrant 4g 2.3 or 2.4 Rom to the vibrant i have been using the vibrant 4g with 2.3 and it is not bad at all it work real good better than most of the 2.3 or 2.4 Rom out there.

Could someone explain to me in plain English the big deal with 2.3 /2.4? I get 2.1 to 2.2 gave us flash... what's the big deal with the new ver?
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accordex said:
Could someone explain to me in plain English the big deal with 2.3 /2.4? I get 2.1 to 2.2 gave us flash... what's the big deal with the new ver?
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Better optimization for hummingbird CPU.
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geoffcorey said:
Better optimization for hummingbird CPU.
OK.. same with 2.1 to 2.2 ...could you really tell? No...
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accordex said:
Could someone explain to me in plain English the big deal with 2.3 /2.4? I get 2.1 to 2.2 gave us flash... what's the big deal with the new ver?
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Besides the crt animation, an average user wouldn't notice the difference. I like the multitasking of gingerbread.
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-your comment about 2.1 to 2.2-
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No, 2.1 to 2.2 optimized snapdragon cpus. Hummingbird got hardly any jump. Gb fixed that.
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+1 to hummingbird optimization.
TW4/4.5 also runs smoother on GB than Froyo (4/4.5 is a HUGE plus over the stock TW)
Some apps also required 2.3 (such as Netflix before they updated it to allow froyo)
CRT
probably more than I can't think off my head right now
edit: heres a pretty good comprehensive list and description
http://developer.android.com/sdk/android-2.3-highlights.html
we will reap the full benefits once we get an official 2.3 release (accompanied with source) so our talented devs optimize 2.3 for us.

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No, 2.1 to 2.2 optimized snapdragon cpus. Hummingbird got hardly any jump. Gb fixed that.
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Did it? I've seen no great evidence of this on the international S's official GB

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Better optimization for hummingbird CPU.
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Only on aosp based 2.3 roms
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I was tired of my vibrants jumpy inconsistent gps so got myself a Galaxy S 4G and installed the latest KG4 GB. The stock GB runs smoother than Cynogenmod for vibrant.
GB may be a minor upgrade but its a major upgrade for us due to hummingbird optimizations. Also the battery life is MUCH better on GB.

TouchWiz speed only matters for those who choose to use it
I use GO Launcher EX and love it.
Free, fast, beautiful, and more features than TW.

I was hoping tmobile was going the way of att with gb updates...in the mean time, new phone!. Haven't decided which yet though
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masterotaku said:
Did it? I've seen no great evidence of this on the international S's official GB
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As much as I hate to reference quadrants, GB boosted the CPU scores portion of the test significantly for the SGS