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I just played with a Galaxy with 2.2 Froyo. And I can honestly say I see absolutely no performance upgrade. Yes flash is there and a few added features we all no about in froyo. But nothing noticeable! There was still lag on the lock screen and animations. Market was better, browser seemed the same when I tested speed against my fascinate. Except flash.
Was I getting excited for nothing? Any
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froyo update = when major development starts
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not only is that right about development, but any froyo that you have played with that is out right now isnt final. supposedly samsung pulled it to make major optimizations and put their phones up to par with all the other froyo phones. we will not actually know how it runs on the fascinate to we get a build that is specific to the fascinate. Im still holding out a little hope, however ive never seen any lockscreen lag to begin with so dont know what thats all about.and once i put adw or LP as my launcher i really dont see any lag. it sticks for a second every once in a while but i never see the jitteryness that i had on my droid x, that she now has with froyo that is not one bit faster than my fascinate. i dont know about everyone else but im ready for that nice big LTE LG phone that we all saw on engadget and every other news site. that would be nice
If you don't know what Froyo adds, you don't know what you're playing with.
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Daswolven said:
If you don't know what Froyo adds, you don't know what you're playing with.
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That is not what the op said.
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I know I've heard this stated wrong a couple places. A major release is 1.x to 2.x and a minor release is x.1 to x.2 so the froyo update is a minor release. Most of the features are under the hood improvements. I've seen froyo on the evo and most of my friends didn'tnotice a difference.
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That is not what the op said.
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Perhaps you should read the op, and reread my response. The V8 browser boost, JIT, and memory management upgrades are very apparent to someone who knows what they're looking at regarding performance.
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Sherwood1 said:
I just played with a Galaxy with 2.2 Froyo. And I can honestly say I see absolutely no performance upgrade. Yes flash is there and a few added features we all no about in froyo. But nothing noticeable! There was still lag on the lock screen and animations. Market was better, browser seemed the same when I tested speed against my fascinate. Except flash.
Was I getting excited for nothing? Any
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Four words. Just In Time Compiler.
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Perhaps you should read the op, and reread my response. The V8 browser boost, JIT, and memory management upgrades are very apparent to someone who knows what they're looking at regarding performance.
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Please. If you need to be told about performance to notice it, then its a placebo. Maybe you should re-read. The op never said they didn't know what froyo adds, as you insinuate. They said they didn't see a performance increase. Two very different things. Coming from Froyo on two different phones....a lot of these performance increases are situational, and not translating into overall performance increases.
Plus how can you say the op is wrong about galaxy s froyo if he had tried it and you have not? Samsung has a track record for screwing **** up.
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Please. If you need to be told about performance to notice it, then its a placebo. Maybe you should re-read. The op never said they didn't know what froyo adds, as you insinuate. They said they didn't see a performance increase. Two very different things.
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Well, okay. Since you said please. Lol.
There's a notable performance difference is my point. Having played with quite a few 2.1 and 2.2 roms on my Nexus, it is night and day. Heavy apps and games load quicker and run smoother. Hard multitasking doesn't cause any drag. The browser is twice as fast running side by sides.
Ill speak more plainly then, so perhaps you can catch on to my point.
My mother in law plays farmville and checks email. If I upgrade her 1.8 ghz P4 with a gig of ram to a quad core 2.6 ghz and 6gb gaming memory, she really isn't going to see much of a performance difference in farmville and hotmail.
However, when I run photoshop, play with video editing, or crank up Fallout3, it will be very evident.
JIT is not a placebo. Nor is the V8 browser, or the kernel based memory management improvements that 2.2 brings.
So again, if you do not see the performance enhancements, then you do not know what you are looking for.
This is a statement, not an opinion.
As for samsung screwing it up, it is possible, though I won't care a whit as soon as I can get into either a clean AOSP froyo rom, or a CM port.
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I've used a Nexus One before and after Froyo. We use the phone as a "computer" for research purposes. The performance upgrade may not be readily apparent to the average user but JIT really boosts performance for computations. Froyo also adds some API's that developers can use to boost performance.
From what I read the J.I.T COMPILER doesn't do much for the humming bird processor and gpu.....it improves performance much more on SNAPDRAGON Processors.
Even with flash turned off I've seen videos of the iphone loading SOME webpages faster than the nexus one with 2.2.... that irks me cause I hate APPLE
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From what I read the J.I.T COMPILER doesn't do much for the humming bird processor and gpu.....it improves performance much more on SNAPDRAGON Processors.
Even with flash turned off I've seen videos of the iphone loading SOME webpages faster than the nexus one with 2.2.... that irks me cause I hate APPLE
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I rest my case.
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From what I read the J.I.T COMPILER doesn't do much for the humming bird processor and gpu.....it improves performance much more on SNAPDRAGON Processors.
Even with flash turned off I've seen videos of the iphone loading SOME webpages faster than the nexus one with 2.2.... that irks me cause I hate APPLE
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Well not that it matters but my phone on 2.1/voodoo/OC with xScope loads "some" web pages (as in all 3 I tried) faster than the ipad I played with.
Daswolven you rest your case.... what was that?
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Your last post illustrates very clearly that you don't understand what you are trying to elaborate on.
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I rest my case.
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You rest your case of the iPhone loading some webpages faster than Nexus on 2.2?
You are so wrong. I know your a android fan boy but again you have no clue. Its a fact that JIT improves snapdragons much more than the hummingbird. Much more!!
You have no point, no case because your not basing it on experience or fact.
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My point was 2.2 doesn't offer much improvement in real world use atleast on galaxy s.... that's my point
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You are so wrong. I know your a android fan boy but again you have no clue. Its a fact that JIT improves snapdragons much more than the hummingbird. Much more!!
You have no point, no case because your not basing it on experience or fact.
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Awesome.
Okay, I am wide open. Please explain technically, or point to a source that explains how the snapdragon works better than the hummingbird with a virtual engine. JIT impacts the Dalvik VM, so you have lost me here. This is a sincere question.
I'm not a developer, nor an engineer, so perhaps you can enlighten me and others on this. Clarify this with verifiable source pls.
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Just wanted to know what the REAL reason is for the Vibrants Lag is? software or hardware. running test like CPU Benchmark,Quadrant Standard or Linpack. Seems to run a lot slower then almost all phones. like the G2 or the Mytouch 4G. Just to name a few. Thought The Cortex-A8 Hummingbird CPU was going to make the Vibrant super fast but that does not seem to be the case! I love my Vibrant and games run awesome on it for the most part but it sure lags up a lot! Rooted stock ROM with the T959UVJI6 Update. and using Launcher Pro Plus. Still love my Vibrant but would like to know why so slow on test and why so much Lag?
And I know there is a Lag fix but seem to be issues with that too. Thanks a million
You're comparing Eclair to Froyo and, in the G2's case, vanilla Android. Try running one of the Froyo builds and see if you have any lag. I'm running the Obsidian Froyo based on the T-Mo leak and have run Eugene's and both run with zero lag.
he's just a troll. everyone who used both knows full well that the Vibrant is way faster.
Not a freaking troll! Lol just wanted to know. Thats all no bigs. I love my Vibrant and not dissing it at all.was just asking a question since this the Vibrant Forum and all!
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RobBull69 thanks might try that. Yea I see your point. Lots of bloatware installed on Vibrant so makes since! Still think the Vibrant Rocks!
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To bad the g2 destroys it
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But the Vibrants Screen Destroys all other screens! Lol
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Anyways lets get back on topic here!
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Wow...you have a nice screen...woop dee doo. My phone has a keboard, something that actually improves the functionality of the phone. Oh yea, on top of that my doesn't feel like its made of plastic. Haha keep ur nices screen, ill take the better phone
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Now I smell a Troll in here! Lol anyways Vibrant still rocks!
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Good luck keeping the G2 rooted. Only soft rooted huh. Lol
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Yes, you're trolling, but I can't resist myself.
I had a G2. Traded it in for a Vibrant.
Enjoy your dust-collecting screen, crappy hinge, inability to flash roms, INCREDIBLY bad camera, and random hard resets.
Also, the G2 keyboard is a sad shadow of the Cliq keyboard.
pierre and darkside is probably the same kid lol. G2 sucks balls. My friend has it and it is freakin slow. The whole os lags lol. It gets what, 33 FPS on Nenamark? we get over 55 lol
Oh yeah, and good luck sending any text messages that have "stop" in them on your g2.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=823989&page=4
lol the g2 cant even do tv out
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Good luck keeping the G2 rooted. Only soft rooted huh. Lol
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Yea...if only I was interested in rooting that would have been a clever comment
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iynfynity said:
We don't care if you have a better phone. Study your english first because your phone's keyboard is useless if you type with a **** grammar.
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Wow...best come back you could come up with lol? Thanks for recognizing that my english is determined by how I spell...on a forum...really keen of you there. you must have graduated from an accredited college and have a degree...oh wait no that's me . Ill give you another chance to actually make a good comeback
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pierre and darkside is probably the same kid lol. G2 sucks balls. My friend has it and it is freakin slow. The whole os lags lol. It gets what, 33 FPS on Nenamark? we get over 55 lol
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....really lol? Yea good comment their buddy.
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keenerb said:
Yes, you're trolling, but I can't resist myself.
I had a G2. Traded it in for a Vibrant.
Enjoy your dust-collecting screen, crappy hinge, inability to flash roms, INCREDIBLY bad camera, and random hard resets.
Also, the G2 keyboard is a sad shadow of the Cliq keyboard.
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Yup that's why its been awarded one of the best keyboard awards by almost every review site on the net...haha I don't have a single one of those issues lmao, so why don't you stop reading your fairytale book and actually show something your phone actually has over mine haha.
P.s....notice the title of the thread is why the vibrant lags so much...lmao don't have that on my g2
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lol the g2 cant even do tv out
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Who gives to rats about whether a phone can do tv out?!? Obviously only you lol. And if I did...I would just use the usb that came with my g2 to play video on my hd tv... so yea it actually can
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http://www.engadget.com/2010/11/10/bootlace-lets-you-install-froyo-on-your-iphone-without-a-compute/
Excuse me while I cry in a corner...
That's a riot. But I must admit, I'm finally happy I have a 1st gen touch...
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I made that exact comment on engadget and phandroid. What a crock of toilet **** Samsung
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OMFG
(Not a value added comment, I know)
But can it run sense? Because sense is AWESOME!!!!!! You should really try it it is sooooooo coooooool.......
Sorry, Just kidding. I figured I would fill in for sherwood while he is away.
good day.
ksizzle9 said:
What a crock of toilet **** Samsung
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Im a little tired right now, so when I read that I seriously lol'd. Which I thought never actually happened.
In other news, hardware has apexed, so maybe Das Googla will start focusing on a more consistent software pie chart.
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hey i love sense to. i think its much better than stock droid and touchwiz!!
As far as froyo ofcourse iphone got it first..........iphone always gets the good stuff first and will be that way always sorry to say....
Fragmentation of phones is hurting android and always will!!! sad truth!!! And im talking about a hardware fragmentation more than os!
Also why would an Iphone user want froyo?? Apple Os ........and i know alot of people will crazy over this...........is much better than android and dev friendly!!
Remember google didnt make android they bought it for 50 million.........it was never a gaming platform. Wont be for a while! from what ive read
The iPhone has had froyo for a while now. Its just that everything had to be done via linux desktop os. All bootlace does is allow the flashing of openiboot and android from userland now.
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Chopper....well said
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Just to calm some nerves. I did pick up a Thunderbolt. However, I am still working hard on the SF and soon, the Continuum.
My man-crush still has life.
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Well that's good news. Both that you have a Thunderbolt and that you're still working on the Fascinate.
How do u like it so far. I'm on the edge, but the location of the charging port really bothers me
sent from my fascinating fascinate eating delicious froyo.
I saw that post on androidcentral and cried a little lol. Good to hear you will still be making our phones bearable lol.
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adrynalyne said:
Just to calm some nerves. I did pick up a Thunderbolt. However, I am still working hard on the SF and soon, the Continuum.
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Dont worry, we all still hate you.
Just kidding, I will hit you up once I order my Dolt to get caught up on whats happening
Man, am I glad to hear you're not leaving! Your work has really made this phone so much better than samsung/verizon allowed it to be. And it's been a huge consolation to me cuz I got a year left with it. So, enjoy the 'bolt, just not too much...
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Just to calm some nerves. I did pick up a Thunderbolt. However, I am still working hard on the SF and soon, the Continuum.
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as long as you, jt1134 and sbrissen are still around (as well as the other #fascinate-themer crew) i dont feel the itch to burn an upgrade on a phone i dont really need
thank for all you do!
Thank you! Dont leave us....ever
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Dang even you got a tbolt! That phone is turning out to have the best group of devs out of every android phone on this site i think. (By best i really mean largest: Team Sbrissen Mod 1337 remains the best)
Thank God!! You would have been greatly missed. Thanks so much Adrynalyne, think maybe Samsung should hire some real devs like yourself
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Just to calm some nerves. I did pick up a Thunderbolt. However, I am still working hard on the SF and soon, the Continuum.
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I might have something new on Monday. Depends on certain events happening.
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So, if that is not what might be something new on Monday...
So give us the rundown, how does it compare (General build, speed feel, battery life, etc)? As I don't think New Mexico will have Lte anytime soon, how does it perform on 3g? Assuming you are not in a 4g area is it an upgrade?
Thanks,
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nmyeti said:
So give us the rundown, how does it compare (General build, speed feel, battery life, etc)? As I don't think New Mexico will have Lte anytime soon, how does it perform on 3g? Assuming you are not in a 4g area is it an upgrade?
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You can find reviews on it on youtube. Apparently it gets 1900+ quadrant scores unrooted out of the box
The continuum mention got me excited I can't wait! :3
thanks again
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nitsuj17 said:
as long as you, jt1134 and sbrissen are still around (as well as the other #fascinate-themer crew) i dont feel the itch to burn an upgrade on a phone i dont really need
thank for all you do!
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Agree could use wifes upgrade and get tbolt but i like my fascinate and its PLENTY fast cant see upgrading till 4g is available here and a dualcore drops and not a moto ofcourse they can go straight to hell!
Thanks for hanging with the Fascinate. It's only 6 months old after all.
Looks like birdman is. Boo.
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You can find reviews on it on youtube. Apparently it gets 1900+ quadrant scores unrooted out of the box
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More interested in what an expert has to say than a youtube review. Quadrant doesn't mean much to me. I did play with one at Verizon today. Seemed nice... Just hard to really get a sense for it in the 3 min I spent with it. Had an incredible on it's launch day, so I know sense pretty well and for the most part like it, but I'm worried about the quality of the gpu in the thunderbolt. Most of the snapdragons suck when it comes to the gpu.
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So I had my hands on an ATT MB860, 4.5.91, Gingerbread Atrix, but returned it due to the immense lag with live wall papers and the incorrectly working speakerphone.
Does an unlaggy (with lwp) Atrix exist? I've seen a couple of demo 2.3.4. Atrix's at my local (United States) ATT stores, and seen that they react the same wya (immense lag, but quick to open web pages and apps). Are laggy Atrix's a result of quality control or the FW? Or does an unlaggy Atrix exist?
I dont experience any lag on my Atrix - I've had it since Feb 21st of this year. Got it on pre-order.
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I dont experience any lag on my Atrix - I've had it since Feb 21st of this year. Got it on pre-order.
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even with live wall papers, its as smooth as butter? running 2.3.4?
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five5outh said:
even with live wall papers, its as smooth as butter? running 2.3.4?
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On the rare occasion I do use an LP - yes, still smooth.
i had horrible lag, not with Cyanogen though.
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Don't feed the trolls
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Sorry.... I now have the chance of either getting a Nexus S, or a replacement Atrix for my ATT service. I've heard of some Atrix's being flawlessly fast and smooth regardless, however, I still have not seen it with my phone + a couple of ATT's stores demo models. I was wondering if I should jump to a "future-proof" dual core Atrix or a presently smooth Nexus S.
Only you can answer that question.
Uhm, doesn't the AT&T Nexus S NOT have 4G?
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Sorry.... I now have the chance of either getting a Nexus S, or a replacement Atrix for my ATT service. I've heard of some Atrix's being flawlessly fast and smooth regardless, however, I still have not seen it with my phone + a couple of ATT's stores demo models. I was wondering if I should jump to a "future-proof" dual core Atrix or a presently smooth Nexus S.
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I own both, Atrix is better. YMMV.
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TheBassman369 said:
I own both, Atrix is better. YMMV.
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In what ways?.. I do know the Atrix has a better battery, processor, and light notification... what does the Nexus S usurp the Atrix on?
Why does everyone like live wallpapers. I never get them.
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In what ways?.. I do know the Atrix has a better battery, processor, and light notification... what does the Nexus S usurp the Atrix on?
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In addition to what you mentioned, speed, memory management (so many launcher redraws and apps closing with only 512 MB of RAM), and screen resolution are what makes the Atrix better for me.
However, the Nexus has a much brighter and more colorful screen, albeit with a lower resolution. Personally, I like the higher res screen on the Atrix.
About the only thing the NS has over the Atrix is the fact that it's supported by Google.
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Why does everyone like live wallpapers. I never get them.
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They are OK. I find it kind of odd that my "weaker" Captivate can run live wallpapers smoother than an Atrix. Shouldn't the Atrix be blazingly smooth?
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They are OK. I find it kind of odd that my "weaker" Captivate can run live wallpapers smoother than an Atrix. Shouldn't the Atrix be blazingly smooth?
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You would think so but Moto did a bad job installing a bloated and heaving UI over the android OS. If you want that blazing speed than install CM7 like most of us have and its the quickest phone I've ever used.
no lag here at all
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Why does everyone like live wallpapers. I never get them.
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I think they are sometimes distracting, and too much of a battery drain myself...
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You would think so but Moto did a bad job installing a bloated and heaving UI over the android OS. If you want that blazing speed than install CM7 like most of us have and its the quickest phone I've ever used.
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I wouldn't say "most of us". I've never been impressed with cyanogen on any of my andriod phones.
barry99705 said:
I wouldn't say "most of us". I've never been impressed with cyanogen on any of my andriod phones.
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Many will be installing it if that's the only way wlthat we end up tasting ICS...
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I wouldn't say "most of us". I've never been impressed with cyanogen on any of my andriod phones.
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Still is most of us, one person doesn't change it
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