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Hello all,
I've started this thread to serve as a repository for information on the HTC HD2 model variant "T9193", the 850Mhz 3G-equipped version sold by Telstra in Australia. On a general level, most discussions applying to the regular HD2 are still relevant, however the T9193 has its own set of questions, hopefully answews to which can be tracked in here.
If there are any more sections of information people find useful it may be added at a later time. So let's get started-
What is it?
Model: HTC T9193
Available on the Telstra network in Australia
http://www.telstra.com.au/mobile/phones/phone_details.cfm?phone=HD2
Why should I buy this model?
If you are on a network that uses 850MHz frequency for its 3G bands (AT&T, Rogers, Telstra, etc), the HD2 T8585 will not give you full 3G reception, as this phone operates on 900MHz.
Where can I buy it?
There are a few e-tailers currently shipping the T9193. Here are the ones we have so far; if you've found it in-stock elsewhere let me know so I can add it to the list.
Australian sellers:
Telstra http://www.telstra.com.au/mobile/phones/phone_details.cfm?phone=HD2 (some members report they will only ship overseas if you call them directly)
Personal Digital http://personaldigital.com.au/p380/...NEXTG-850Mhz-AT&T-Roger-&-Telecom-NZ/buy.html (ships overseas, 1-3 day shipping available)
Mobicity http://www.mobicity.com.au/htc-hd2-next-g.html Member 'agoattamer' purchased his unit from this site, so for specific questions on their service you might contact him
North American sellers:
Negri Electronics http://www.negrielectronics.com/touch-t9193-smartphone-unlocked-p-3108.html
What's in the box?
Box contents for Telstra-branded phones are:
HD2 T9193
Leather slip case
USB cable (approx. 3')
Australian wall charger
16GB microSD card
Stereo headphones
Is the phone SIM locked?
Most users (myself included) have reported that the phone does NOT need to be SIM unlocked - any GSM SIM should work in the device.
Is the phone physically branded?
There are two very small logos on the back lower half of the phone, on the soft-touch material. The color is gray, and isn't too noticeable
Can I flash a different ROM?
Yes, however HardSPL must be applied first.
Read this thread (very carefully!).
Official ROMs from HTC are available here; click the 'shared folder' link:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=577717
Can I download the original Telstra ROM?
The original stock ROM from Telstra (with all Telstra bloatware/customizations) is available here:
http://htcpedia.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1474
Can I flash a different Radio version?
Other users have reported flashing to other radio versions without losing 850MHz reception. Note that depending on the ROM/Radio you may lose the option for manually selecting 850MHz from the dropdown list under Phone settings.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=611787
Can I customize the three Quicklinks on the Home screen without flashing a new ROM?
Yes, see this thread for a cab file that unlocks customization for the quicklinks:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=5452464&postcount=1
Are there any hardware issues related to this model variant?
Pink Hue
With the T8585 there have been widespread reports of a pink hue in the center of camera images. They attempted to remediate this through a software patch, however the issue persisted if a few tweaks were applied to the camera settings, indicating this could be a hardware fault.
There have been no reports of pink hue from T9193 users yet.
White Paint on Hardware Buttons inconsistently applied, results in uneven lighting
A few users have reported having this issue
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=5661628&postcount=54
How do I remove that stubborn battery cover?
Pocketnow.com has posted a video explaining an easier method for removing the very tight battery cover (that's a good thing though!) without breaking a fingernail:
http://pocketnow.com/how-to/easily-remove-the-battery-cover-on-the-htc-hd2
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Hey I have the t9193 and the camera appears to be just fine. The chassis build on this model is real tight. We won't be removing this battery cover as easily as the HD, but you also gain better fit metal cover which doesn't squeek like the plastic ones did on HD.
Actually, here's a good way to easily remove the battery - works very well for me!
http://pocketnow.com/how-to/easily-remove-the-battery-cover-on-the-htc-hd2
I have just received my T9193. My camera dosent have the pink tint either. Only problem i have is data connection occasionaly stops working and i need to reset. Hopefully we can find a solution soon. When 3g is working the data connection is pretty quick.
dynamo84ll said:
I have just received my T9193. My camera dosent have the pink tint either. Only problem i have is data connection occasionaly stops working and i need to reset. Hopefully we can find a solution soon. When 3g is working the data connection is pretty quick.
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I'm actually having the very same issue. There's an open thread about this but no solution from anyone... what ROM and radio are you running? Are you still on the stock Telstra ROM? I flashed to 1.66 WWE.
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...Only problem i have is data connection occasionaly stops working and i need to reset. Hopefully we can find a solution soon. When 3g is working the data connection is pretty quick.
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+1
I have the 9193 and get this on a variety of ROMs. I am usually able to fix the data connection by terminating the data connection on the quick menu, which is quicker than a reset."
mlekas said:
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I have the 9193 and get this on a variety of ROMs. I am usually able to fix the data connection by terminating the data connection on the quick menu, which is quicker than a reset."
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+1 on your comment. I don't notice it. It actually sucks when you use this for Biz and don't notice that you have no emails.
I wish there was a fix for this. I just disable the Sense from tonight and want to see if I notice any changes in anything.
dynamo84ll said:
I have just received my T9193. My camera dosent have the pink tint either. Only problem i have is data connection occasionaly stops working and i need to reset. Hopefully we can find a solution soon. When 3g is working the data connection is pretty quick.
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I have this issue, but you don't have to reset [the phone], just go to the Comm Manager and toggle "Phone" off and then back on.
Since this is the 'official' reference thread:
I have NOT had this issue. I saw it once and I'm pretty sure it was a network problem in that area - I switched to EDGE and all was well.
I typically run the latest radios/6.5.x roms, currently R2.08.50.05 w/ Artemis 3.7. I do a mtty format between flashes just to be sure I'm starting from a clean slate.
I have an exchange account that has push email enabled around the clock and I've never noticed any delivery delays.
Just a thought: iPhone users are known for being vocal complainers against the ATT network. Could there be some truth to their allegations, and you guys are just seeing it as well?
Hey looking to pick one of these up to use in new york on att. Had iphones since they came out. Will be my first wm phone. Hoping they release wm7 for the hd2 real soon . Can yoi guys tell me where you purchased yours from. Trying to gauge whag other people are paying because the 8585 are going for around 600 on ebay now
well I got mine today and have not found any issues yet camera seems fine actually very impressed data speed seems very fast.. no loss of connection but then I've only started using it
I am using the asia wwe 1.66 rom with stock telstra radio. The telstra rom had so much bloatware i couldnt stand it.
My data connection stopped working last night while i was sleeping. I woke up and received the connection error again, i was connected to my home wifi !! Toogling the airplane mode on and off does fix this, but its very annoying.
Secondly, I was an iphone user before the hd2. AT&T in western NY is pretty good, i rarely drop calls. Around my area I constantly have the big "H". MMS and SMS work well. Only problem is when the data connection quits for no reason.
Has anyone had better luck with the 2.2 rom for tmobile us?
thatg said:
Hey looking to pick one of these up to use in new york on att. Had iphones since they came out. Will be my first wm phone. Hoping they release wm7 for the hd2 real soon . Can yoi guys tell me where you purchased yours from. Trying to gauge whag other people are paying because the 8585 are going for around 600 on ebay now
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See the links in the first post of this thread.
The lowest price ive seen is from Personal Digital in Australia; I paid 780 USD shipped to the US. There are some on ebay too (the T9193 specifically - just make sure you're looking at the right one!), but they are in the 900 range.
PersonalDigital is the way to go. You won't find it cheaper since everyone else is making a killer overhead on it! I saw one place in the US selling it for $1k+
After flashing a new rom I have tried to run the hotfix that fixes the sd card issue, but it tells me the hotfix is not compatible with my phone. Im guessing maybe because the hardware changes from T9193 to T8585 in the hardware info when flashing ROMS. I downloaded the U.S. hotfix because I am in the U.S.but may I need to download AU version since my T9193 obviously came from Australia?
Which ROM did you flash?
I think all of the patches ONLY apply to ROMs less than version 1.66. Starting at 1.66 the hotfixes were rolled into the ROM update.
HD2 Telstra T9193 experience (Argentina)
Hi , i'd like to report my experience with my recently received HD2 T9193 from Telstra (Australia). I am from Buenos Aires, Argentina (same 3G american bands as AT&T, UMTS 850/1900)
I guarantee that flashing custom ROMs AND various Radios available in XDA work perfectly . Even those ROMs which, being cooked with original HD2 packages, display '1900/2100' UMTS bands, in Comm Manager, when you lock to 'only WCDMA', it uses actual hardware UMTS bands, hard-coded on chip.
Also, i don't suffer from any noticeable issue up to know, either aesthetically on the phone, or on hardware (like the so mentioned 'pink' in camera, data connection crashes, etc).
Phone just feels flawless, identical to original HD2, but with american 3G UMTS bands....
And BTW 3G speeds are incredibly good, but probably what surprised me the most, are the blazingly fast EDGE speeds! by far the speedest edge phone i put my hands on... really makes a difference...
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Which ROM did you flash?
I think all of the patches ONLY apply to ROMs less than version 1.66. Starting at 1.66 the hotfixes were rolled into the ROM update.
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I was also thinking that but being that my sd card has displayed the same number of capacity since day one means that It hasnt been applied. So im looking for an answer that could help me get this solved because its quite annoying. I have read and heard that it mostly applies to 8gb and 16gb and Im using the 16gb from Telstra
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Has anyone had better luck with the 2.2 rom for tmobile us?
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I would like to hear if any T9193 users have tried the Tmo US roms? Does anyone know if those ROMs include a radio, and how that radio works with the T9193?
Hi
I just bought a Leo T8585. I just found out from reading the forum, that this version only connects to 3G with frequencies at 900 and higher.
The problem is, my provider's 3G band is on the 850 frequency. Now, I've read that the model T9193 is the only one able to connect at 3G with that frequency, but I just can't afford to spend another $700
My question is, can I flash a Radio that works 3G at the 850 band to a T8585?
If so? can someone PLEASE point me out to the right one?
I've been reading a lot here, and I now learned how to flash my Leo, and I think I have everything to get ready, only thing missing is that I don't know the right radio to flash, or a cooked rom? what are my options?
My Leo has the following:
ROM: 1.66.707.1 (76641) WWE
Radio: 2.06.51.07
I have this blasting headache from reading so much and I can't believe I saved some money to buy the phone and it won't work with 3G
Thanks so much in advance for giving me a hand here.
Although there have been rumors that the radio could be flashed, these have so far no grounding in reality. You cannot flash your radio to support ATT 3G.
you can flash the radio no problem, but it wont make any difference.
Sorry man, but do your research. Everywhere it is clearly stated the bands, and you should know what is provided. Put down that 1000 for the other version if you want 3G so bad, or live with it, and use the money to buy a lifetime supply of advil to help that headache!
Rhanks for the answers guys. I just came to the hard reallity.
Guess I will have to sell this one and get the australian version.
Seems to me anyway really stupid from htc to make a cell phone wich only would connect to the highest speed on certain frequencies.
But then again, I don't know about this stuff.
Thans for the replies.
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Seems to me anyway really stupid from htc to make a cell phone wich only would connect to the highest speed on certain frequencies.
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its to help fight grey imports. Otherwise people would only buy the one that is cheapest around teh world and have it imported, destroying the home market.
Currently using TP2/Tilt 2 and just got an itch to try an on-screen keyboard with a larger screen so I bought a Telstra branded HD2 T9193. Been on the TP2 board for a while.
Anticipating its arrival I will begin perusing the threads here to find the most efficient ways to make it work as desired on the ATT network here in So. Fla. I have already subscribed to a few threads but if anyone has specific suggestions feel welcome to post them or PM me.
Ultimately, I'll run the Android 2.2 side by side on the WinMo.
David
as far as roms, radios, tweaks, apps, reg edits etc etc, anything that applies to regular hd2 applies to telstra, with the exception of HSPL. You can't use hspl2, only hspl1 (probably requires finding an old telstra rom and flashing from sd card) or hspl3.
So, don't worry about the tmous talk about the wrong radio killing your phone, it doesn't apply to you.
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....So, don't worry about the tmous talk about the wrong radio killing your phone, it doesn't apply to you.
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LOL. Good to know. I have faith in myself but I am just as able to screw something up as anyone else!
I´ll really love to have one of those (i have T-Mobile´s version), my provider runs his 3G network on the 850, so T-Mo is no good for that, and if i buy one from Telstra the price goes up to 200% of what i have paid for mine ($460-ish US dollars), good luck with your phone.
SLDS.
Hey guys so I switched from iPhone to HTC HD2. And i got a little bit confused at one point. How do I use this phone with other carriers other than t-mobile? I have AT&T. After Doing some research I figured that I have two choices one is sim unlock which im not doing cause I gotta pay. And the second choice is radio flash? So Im confused right here. I have US t-mobile HD2, i put 2.08HSPL and have wp7 rom on it. Can I still do radio flash? If so how can I do this? And if ill do it, i will be able to use 3g data? Im sorry if im asking about some obvious things but im tottaly new to HTCs. Thank you.
Welcome to the HD2 world. I don't know specifically about the US models but in Europe, you need to sim unlock to use a locked phone on a different carrier.
Using different radio versions allows you to test and find one that offers the best balance of battery life and signal quality for your location and usage pattern.
With regards to data speed, those would be dependent on your carrier as unlocking gives you access to all the HD2s capabilities.
If I'm wrong in any of these someone will chime in soon. Have you tried using the search and looking the the very details FAQ threads? Have fun!
Sent from my HTC HD2 via XDA app
Currently no free sim unlock. Buy a code online or get from t mobile.
Changing radio has no effect on network lock.
Regarding data speeds, it depends what network you are on. Example a tmous phone on at &t wont get 3g, cos the hardware bands don't match.
Flashing a radio will not allow you to use another carrier. You gotta pay for that privilege.
In a nutshell, would a Tmobile US HD2 work in the UK under the virgin network?
I've been looking at the frequency that virgin's running at and the supported list for the T9193, and I just want to confirm that it should work before I buy it.
Oh, and does the US version come with the AUO Display by any chance?
It will of course need to be unlocked/sim free and to get the hsdpa/3G connection will need to support that.
As you have done some of the homework I expect by now you'll know
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It will of course need to be unlocked/sim free and to get the hsdpa/3G connection will need to support that.
As you have done some of the homework I expect by now you'll know
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I won't need to because most of the ones I've found on sale are already unlocked, so this would work?
I've always wanted to know,,, since the tmous network uses aws, meaning it uses both it's available utms bands, 1700 and 2100, one for up, one for down, and everyone else uses one band for both, 2100 in this case, is the tmous radio hardware capable of using one band for both?
(Also, wasn't clear from your post, but you know the t9193 is the telstra model, not tmous, right?)
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(Also, wasn't clear from your post, but you know the t9193 is the telstra model, not tmous, right?)
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Actually, I didn't, I just assumed T9193 was the US version.
Hehe, lucky you didn't impulse buy then eh?
There would be no benefit in bringing a t9193 to the UK, since it is identical to the regular hd2( commonly called the t8585, but see below) with the exception of the 850/2100 bands instead of 900/2100, and a tiny amount of case branding.
The tmous appears to carry the same t8585 designation as the regular hd2, although it never seems to be referenced as such anywhere, and Googling t8585 always brings up the regular, never the tmous.
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Hehe, lucky you didn't impulse buy then eh?
There would be no benefit in bringing a t9193 to the UK, since it is identical to the regular hd2( commonly called the t8585, but see below) with the exception of the 850/2100 bands instead of 900/2100, and a tiny amount of case branding.
The tmous appears to carry the same t8585 designation as the regular hd2, although it never seems to be referenced as such anywhere, and Googling t8585 always brings up the regular, never the tmous.
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Yes, very lucky
As for why I want it, there's a lower chance of having wake up lag, and it has 1gb rom, that's all. So if possible I'd like to have this.
Again, not sure from your post which one you mean by "why I want it", though I shall assume you mean the tmous because the t9193 does NOT have 1gb rom.(as for less chance of wake-up lag,,,, hmmm, I'd take that little nugget of info with a large pinch of salt. I've been here daily for 18 months and seen absolutely NO evidence pointing to that being true, ((and indeed you are the first person I've seen saying it)))
your research now would be aimed at finding out for sure if a phone designed for aws can be used on non aws networks. I suspect it will but I for one certainly wouldn't buy until I knew for definite.
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Again, not sure from your post which one you mean by "why I want it", though I shall assume you mean the tmous because the t9193 does NOT have 1gb rom.(as for less chance of wake-up lag,,,, hmmm, I'd take that little nugget of info with a large pinch of salt. I've been here daily for 18 months and seen absolutely NO evidence pointing to that being true, ((and indeed you are the first person I've seen saying it)))
your research now would be aimed at finding out for sure if a phone designed for aws can be used on non aws networks. I suspect it will but I for one certainly wouldn't buy until I knew for definite.
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Sorry for nt being clear, but I meant the tmous, and I just think there's a better chance of it not having wake up lag, and also having an AUO display.
I got the Tmous version & have used it in UK on Vadaphone & T-Mobile, had 3G connection but didn't give it the best of tests as was only in town for a day.
I expect it will be fine as worked perfect on european networks using 2 bands (1up, 1down).
Wil be in UK next month so will test it fully.
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I got the Tmous version & have used it in UK on Vadaphone & T-Mobile, had 3G connection but didn't give it the best of tests as was only in town for a day.
I expect it will be fine as worked perfect on european networks using 2 bands (1up, 1down).
Wil be in UK next month so will test it fully.
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Ty a lot, that's all I needed, virgin is a virtual network using Tmobile, so if it works on that, then it should work fine
no problem, Tmous is the beast & the later built models have revised motherboard & new screen supplier so quality/reliability is better.
Tmob bashed HTC over high unit returns & was the only thing that pushed HTC to do a sneaky revision model.
I run mine on Energy ROM & it is superb, works great in all countries & scenarios I have encountered so far.
1200Mah battery is only real big issue as on 3g HSPDA ect it uses a lot of power compared to GSM Edge.
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no problem, Tmous is the beast & the later built models have revised motherboard & new screen supplier so quality/reliability is better.
Tmob bashed HTC over high unit returns & was the only thing that pushed HTC to do a sneaky revision model.
I run mine on Energy ROM & it is superb, works great in all countries & scenarios I have encountered so far.
1200Mah battery is only real big issue as on 3g HSPDA ect it uses a lot of power compared to GSM Edge.
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Sounds great, I'd been thinking of jumping on the dual core bandwagon, but the cost has been holding me back, and this piece of news makes me feel better.
Mister B said:
no problem, Tmous is the beast & the later built models have revised motherboard & new screen supplier so quality/reliability is better.
Tmob bashed HTC over high unit returns & was the only thing that pushed HTC to do a sneaky revision model.
I run mine on Energy ROM & it is superb, works great in all countries & scenarios I have encountered so far.
1200Mah battery is only real big issue as on 3g HSPDA ect it uses a lot of power compared to GSM Edge.
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Yeah you are right T-Mobile had a huge percentage of HD2 returns and exchanges. Heck even I myself had a replacement HD2 sent to me as my first one had gotten where it would take me up to ten resets to getcit to boot past the orange Windows screen. But most of the returns in my opinion were because people were use to iPhones and Android devices not Windows Mobile. And as we all know Windows Mobile is not for everybody, especially te stock Win Mo ROMs. I myself hated my HD2 the first month I had it as it was my first smartphone cause it would freeze up, close applications on it's own, turn off on it's own (sometimes), get stuck on boot up everytime I had to turn it off then back own, and took forever to load a web page. But when I flash the official update almost all of that cleared up except the damn sticking at bootup. Not long after I flashed the update (my very first flash ) I found XDA and my HD2 became a prized possession. I have not ever so much as seen are touched a EU HD2 and I know they are probably justcas good as a TMOUS HD2, after all Cottula's HD2 is a EU lol. But just to give you some more personal feed back. My TMOUS is great. It still agrevates me sometimes but that is only because I live in an area with crappy signal. Can not give you feed back on your question about it working where you live but I can tell you that you won't regret buying a TMOUS HD2, unless you flash the wrong radio to it lol.
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Can not give you feed back on your question about it working where you live but I can tell you that you won't regret buying a TMOUS HD2, unless you flash the wrong radio to it lol.
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I take it u mean the .51.x radios? Will prbly buy it tomorrow from ebay.
Looks like the following works fine:
Leo_Radio_2.15.50.14
Seems to be the same one I was using for my eu hd2
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I take it u mean the .51.x radios? Will prbly buy it tomorrow from ebay.
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Yeah that is what I am talking about. You can not flash a radio with a 51 in it to a TMOUS. Also you can not flash a radio with these numbers in it 2.04.50.xx or 2.05.50.xx, these where the radios used in the test TMOUS HD2 devices (HTC Pro Three) and they will kill a TMOUS just like a radio with a 51 in it. You have been warned lol.
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Yeah that is what I am talking about. You can not flash a radio with a 51 in it to a TMOUS. Also you can not flash a radio with these numbers in it 2.04.50.xx or 2.05.50.xx, these where the radios used in the test TMOUS HD2 devices (HTC Pro Three) and they will kill a TMOUS just like a radio with a 51 in it. You have been warned lol.
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You've made me start worrying even before I've bought it. :'(
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I got the Tmous version & have used it in UK on Vadaphone & T Mo
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Good to know. Makes sense that it would work, else roaming wouldn't, but nice to have it confirmed.
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You've made me start worrying even before I've bought it. :'(
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Don't sweat it man, as long as you make sure the ROM you are flashing does not have one of those radios you are cool. The custom Win Mo ROMs mostly do not have radio included in them but just to be safe I would only flash a custom ROM from the HD2 T-Mobile Windows 6.5 development forum or a custom ROM that spacificaily says it is compatible with the TMOUS. All Android and WP7 ROMs do not have radios included so they are alll cool to flash. The only real ROMs you really have to watch are the official ROMs as they have radios included. If you flash a official stock ROM only use the one you get from the T-Mobile wibsite and you are gravy.
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You've made me start worrying even before I've bought it. :'(
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Don't worry plenty of info on radios for TmoUS.
I'm currently testing radios for my device & usage. 2.12.50.02_2 is a well liked radio for most people. 2.15.50.14 was slated by a few intelligent HD2 users, haven't tested it myself yet.
This device is superb, just read the forums & post if you have concerns on flashing ect.