Just a random thought..
Does anything think that maybe the reason that only 1.5gb out of 4 is available on the Desire Z could be due to the TomTom maps that are preloaded?
And if it were that, I wonder if you can delete'em..
rewen said:
Just a random thought..
Does anything think that maybe the reason that only 1.5gb out of 4 is available on the Desire Z could be due to the TomTom maps that are preloaded?
And if it were that, I wonder if you can delete'em..
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If you mean the pre-cached maps from HTC Locations, then you could probably remove everything through a loading a custom ROM.
But it is highly unlikely that this is the reason why the Desire Z has 1.5Gb instead of the G-2's 4Gb. What is probably the case is that since T-Mobile is the launch partner of the Vision, HTC has given T-Mobile an exclusive increase in storage space.
skulk3r, G2 has 1.5GB too. It is simply a difference in describing the same thing. Both Desire Z and G2 has a 4GB flash memory chip, user accessible area is 1.5GB in both cases. There is no 4GB or 1.5GB variant of HTC Vision, there is just one type with different radios.
I didn't realize that the g2 only had 1.5 usable as well.. for some reason I was thinking it had 2.5
It would be nice to see if the future roms can let all 4gb free for us
Im sure you can nix the tomtom maps with a hard reset and new rom as someone just said. There prob will need some development to unlock that memory
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skulk3r, G2 has 1.5GB too. It is simply a difference in describing the same thing. Both Desire Z and G2 has a 4GB flash memory chip, user accessible area is 1.5GB in both cases. There is no 4GB or 1.5GB variant of HTC Vision, there is just one type with different radios.
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oh wow. i totally missed that. thanks for the correction
There is a huge thread in G2 forum about this and the consensus is that there is only the 1.5GB model. Of course few funny guys voted for 4GB, but a very, very huge majority voted for 1.5GB model, which means there is no 4GB model in reality.
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There is a huge thread in G2 forum about this and the consensus is that there is only the 1.5GB model. Of course few funny guys voted for 4GB, but a very, very huge majority voted for 1.5GB model, which means there is no 4GB model in reality.
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I think you may have been misunderstanding..
It seems that both the G2 and DZ are 4gb but 2.5gb is used or reserved from the factory, leaving only 1.5gb available for the user.
I was just thinking that since so much is taken and it's the first phone with HTC Locations (aka TomTom), it would make sense if 1-1.5gb of the lost space was due to preloaded maps. However I don't think the G2 has these maps so that rules out this theory.
No, i didn't misunderstood that . Both Desire Z and G2 has a 4GB chip, but only 1.5GB is available to users => everyone has the same model, there is no 4GB or 1.5GB version, all are the same.
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While the N1 has a healthy 512mb of memory, the Desire has 576mb. I was thinking, if everything really is the same hardware (the N1 also has a FM radio on its chip too, its just not used for whatever reason..) then maybe the N1 has that memory locked off somewhere. Or something. I was just thinking, because that would be a questionable move by HTC to add ONLY 60mb...your thoughts?
aniteshj said:
While the N1 has a healthy 512mb of memory, the Desire has 576mb. I was thinking, if everything really is the same hardware (the N1 also has a FM radio on its chip too, its just not used for whatever reason..) then maybe the N1 has that memory locked off somewhere. Or something. I was just thinking, because that would be a questionable move by HTC to add ONLY 60mb...your thoughts?
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Never thought of it before...Sounds reasonable and considering the HD2.... Definitely Possible
On another note this might be general discussion
I figured they tacked on that little bit more of RAM so that their resource whore can run faster on the desire than the nexus.
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I figured they tacked on that little bit more of RAM so that their resource whore can run faster on the desire than the nexus.
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ya i would think they did it because HTC Sense requires a lil more resources than the stock UI, ie RAM. but maybe it is locked off somewhere. if it is....we will find it!
Is it even really confirmed that this particular development rom has it enabled? It might not even be in the build.
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ya i would think they did it because HTC Sense requires a lil more resources than the stock UI, ie RAM. but maybe it is locked off somewhere. if it is....we will find it!
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I don't think they gave the Desire extra RAM to run Sense. Why? Well right now on my N1 I'm running the Sense Alpha 3 rom from Modaco and I have 385MB total and only 68% of it is being used and the phone is still very smooth. I really don't know why they added extra RAM but it doesn't really mean much for Android.
On the MWC i have seen that the Desire has only 80-65 MB free. On my Nexus i have 120 (will on the stocked rom )
The Nexus runs faster than the Desire. And i think google will support (with new updates) the Nexus longer than htc it will do.
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On the MWC i have seen that the Desire has only 80-65 MB free. On my Nexus i have 120 (will on the stocked rom )
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And I got around 300MB free when killin some more tasks (on CM 5.0.3)
I think google is brilliant if they have done that... this way they can have 2 "Performance enhancing" updates without really having to do anything but release a new kernal, which they should already have the code for.
I doubt it has anything to do with Sense UI.
Why? :
- The HTC Legend runs the same version of Android with Sense UI fine with only 384MB Ram
- The Hero also runs Sense UI fine with 192MB Ram
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On the MWC i have seen that the Desire has only 80-65 MB free. On my Nexus i have 120 (will on the stocked rom )
The Nexus runs faster than the Desire. And i think google will support (with new updates) the Nexus longer than htc it will do.
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Really, did you get test a commercially available HTC Desire? They're both similar and equal phones, no point trying to justify your choice, Nexus is a brilliant phone, so is the Desire.
One thing, Nexus does have is faster updates. It is after all a PROPER GooglePhone. HTC have yet to update their old Flagship HTC Hero. Other than that Nexus and Desire are similar except for a little bit more ram, FM radio and removal of dual mic. (Sense UI may be a difference, but do the great devs on XDA, it's isn't really an advantage for Desire, although at most, it may not work 100% compared to the official Desire Sense UI, a small fixable fault).
Desire has 80-65MB Free? Wut? I think you saw that wrong, Lol.
Just wanted to point out that the Desire Z and the T-Mobile G2 are similar, but not identical.
I'm currently considering which one to buy, and as I searched the web looking for comparative info, I collected what I found and created a blog article:
http://grenness.blog.linpro.no/2010/09/27/t-mobile-g2-vs-htc-desire-z/
I would appreciate feedback or corrections!
Thanks,
Christopher
You should change "Memory" and split it between Ram and Rom.
Both are the "HTC Vision", but there are not just 2 but 4 brothers.
The "HTC Vision" includes:
- HTC Desire Z
- T-Mobile G2
- Verizon ADR6325 aka HTC Merge (source)
- HTC Desire Z US NAM (source, source)
Common specs:
- same OS Google Android 2.2
- same CHASSIS 60.4 x 119 x 14.1 mm, 180 g
- same RAM 512MB
- same MEMORY 4GB total memory, but only 1.5GB user accessible for apps
- same SCREEN 3.7" super LCD 480x800
- same CPU 32bit Qualcomm MSM7230, 800MHz Scorpion SoC
- same CAMERA 4.9 MPixels
- same everything else
Differences:
BANDS
- HTC Desire Z: Asia/Europe 3G UMTS 900/2100MHz
- T-Mobile G2: T-Mobile USA UMTS 1700/2100
- HTC Merge Verizon ADR6325: Verizon USA CDMA/EVDO+Asia/Europe UMTS 2100MHz
- HTC Desire Z US (NAM): America/Australia 3G UMTS 850/1900MHz
QWERTY MECHANISM
EDIT: the HTC Merge/Verizon ADR6325 has a standard sliding keyboard instead of the "Z hinge"
Hope this helps
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gtrab said:
Both are the "HTC Vision", but there are not just 2 but 4 brothers.
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Thanks, I will update the table in the article.
Much appreciated - I noticed the news about the Verizon handset just an hour ago, it went under my radar as I published my article yesterday...
Christopher
will the htc desire z and G2 be using the same SLCD screen or G2 the amoled
No internal memory difference
Note that beside the Internal Memory Specs of 1.5 GB for the HTC Desire Z you will notice a number 1. This refers you down to the bottom of the specs page where it states: "1. The actual available internal phone storage may differ depending on the software configuration of your phone." Link
I believe the there is no difference in the internal phone storage of the G2 and the Desire Z. I concur that the new HTC Sense 3.0 on the Desire Z probably takes up a lot more space than the stock Android 2.2. Hence the difference in software configuration.
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Note that beside the Internal Memory Specs of 1.5 GB for the HTC Desire Z you will notice a number 1. This refers you down to the bottom of the specs page where it states: "1. The actual available internal phone storage may differ depending on the software configuration of your phone." Link
I believe the there is no difference in the internal phone storage of the G2 and the Desire Z. I concur that the new HTC Sense 3.0 on the Desire Z probably takes up a lot more space than the stock Android 2.2. Hence the difference in software configuration.
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Does that mean you could provide more ram to the OS (as in instead of the 512MB the Z has while the HD has 768MB) you could up both to say 1GB with a software hack?
I really am clueless when it comes to how these modern phone devices allocate memory internally.
Did you mean to start a new thread? Anyway my reply again
Does that mean you could provide more ram to the OS (as in instead of the 512MB the Z has while the HD has 768MB) you could up both to say 1GB with a software hack?
I really am clueless when it comes to how these modern phone devices allocate memory internally.
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Internal phone storage is ROM. RAM is not changeable. I am talking about the Internal phone storage not RAM. I am also talking about the Desire Z and G2 and not the Desire HD.
To add, there are differences in the keyboard button configurations too. Physical layout is the same, but the key mapping is different. Nothing major though.
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Both are the "HTC Vision", but there are not just 2 but 4 brothers.
The "HTC Vision" includes:
- HTC Desire
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You mean "HTC Desire Z", right ?
I have the t-mobile (USA) G2, got it yesterday. When you look at sd card and internal storage the internal storage available is only 1.23 gigs, sd card is 7.6 gigs and the screen is SLCD and looks great, it holds up well even in direct sunlight.
So are you saying that the 4Gigs of ROM is fake/lie ????
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I have the t-mobile (USA) G2, got it yesterday. When you look at sd card and internal storage the internal storage available is only 1.23 gigs, sd card is 7.6 gigs and the screen is SLCD and looks great, it holds up well even in direct sunlight.
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I can confirm. Opened it today and am pissed.
yudhistre said:
So are you saying that the 4Gigs of ROM is fake/lie ????
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I don't see how it could be legit... Android does not take 2.8 GB!
zephirus said:
I can confirm. Opened it today and am pissed.
I don't see how it could be legit... Android does not take 2.8 GB!
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Why are you pissed? You got an, by all account, awesome phone several days early.
I got my G2 today..
I currently have a Nexus One and Samsung Vibrant. I like the N1 better because of the trackball..
the G2 has a little trackpad that works well.. So far it is pretty cool.
Has 2.2 on it but no wireless teethering on it.. need a new rom.. PDA net sucks because you have to use a cable.
I am also disappointed about not having my full amount of ROM, gonna call tmobile tomorrow and see what they have to say.
Would suck if some early G2 preorders were sent just rebadged Desire Zs. The Desire Z has 2gb on board, unlike the G2 which has 4gb on paper. However, the DesireZ has an FM radio that the G2 lacks. I would take the FM radio instead of 2gb internal ram.
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Would suck if some early G2 preorders were sent just rebadged Desire Zs. The Desire Z has 2gb on board, unlike the G2 which has 4gb on paper. However, the DesireZ has an FM radio that the G2 lacks. I would take the FM radio instead of 2gb internal ram.
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Not possible. G2 has unique radio bands (AWS).
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So are you saying that the 4Gigs of ROM is fake/lie ????
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Anyone have a Desire Z to see how much ROM is left right out of the box? That will answer a lot of questions, but I still think we're only getting 2.1 gigs of internal vs. the 4 we're supposed to get.
Unless HTC has changed the wifi/bluetooth/fm chip they've been using for their past three billion devices, both the G2 and Desire Z are FM capable, just not FM accessible in stock(G2).
See N1/Desire and the HD2
The site tells the tale. Here is the canadian HTC site with the specs for the Desire Z. ROM shows 4GB:
http://www.htc.com/ca/products/desirez-bell#tech-specs
Here is the UK HTC site for the Desire Z. ROM says 1.5GB
http://www.htc.com/uk/product/desirez/specification.html
Someone getting screwed again??
Typo on the Canadian site ?
Raspster said:
The site tells the tale. Here is the canadian HTC site with the specs for the Desire Z. ROM shows 4GB:
Someone getting screwed again??
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And G2 says 4GB too, yet most of them get 1.5GB :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=796421&highlight=1.5GB
Look again. There's more than just the ROM that's different from other specs. we've seen.
The battery is 1230mah
The weight is 164g instead of the 180g we've seen everywhere else.
Weird.
I will be very very happy if it has 4 GB of ROM. (CDN Version).
@LickTheEnvelope: but very, very improbable. T-Mobile G2 has 1.5GB for you as a user, period :
http://www.facebook.com/TMobile?v=wall&story_fbid=107096669355183&ref=mf
The G2 includes 4GB of internal memory, of which a portion is accessible for downloading applications from the Android Market and a portion is allocated for both the operating system and preloaded applications.
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Same applies for Desire Z and same will apply for Desire Z NAM. There is no 1.5GB and 4GB variant, all have 1.5GB user and 4GB total internal flash memory. HTC states the real, usable size of memory, T-Mobile states the total amount of memory.
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@LickTheEnvelope: but very, very improbable. T-Mobile G2 has 1.5GB for you as a user, period :
http://www.facebook.com/TMobile?v=wall&story_fbid=107096669355183&ref=mf
Same applies for Desire Z and same will apply for Desire Z NAM. There is no 1.5GB and 4GB variant, all have 1.5GB user and 4GB total internal flash memory. HTC states the real, usable size of memory, T-Mobile states the total amount of memory.
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You would likely be correct. Bell's spec sheet lists their desire Z at 1.5 GB. Oh well.
That is so deceiving cause the Desire HD and the Desire Z (UK version) both say 1.5GB and the Desire Z (CA) and G2 (T-Mobile) say 4GB. That is WAY off from 1.5GB. What the hell do they need 2.5GB for OS and pre-installed apps for?!? That's CRAZY!!
Good question, but i have no answer.
There's a massive ongoing discussion on the whole 1.5 GB vs 4 GB thing over on the G2 forum. So far, it's been shown (via dismantling a G2) that it really does have a 4 GB chip in there, but only 1.5 GB seems to be accessible - so far, no-one can explain why.
This has been extensively discussed previously
Search for the "HTC vision" variants thread
They all have 4GB memory but "only" 1.5GB is user accessible for apps,
which I still think is enough,
more than plenty when considering the other phones in the market have less than half that ammount, and the number of apps you could ever possbly install into your phone
To make this clear again:
Some operators are marketing it as "4GB" and some are saying "1.5GB", but thats THE SAME because in the end ALL HTC VISION VARIANTS (T-mobile G2, HTC Desire Z, Desire Z NAM-US, Verizon's Merge...) have memory of 4 GB/1.5GB accessible.
Id Say topic is clear and edification by grab. This thread should be closed to keep these clean
There are several existing threads on this - closed
The Mytouch 4g vs a lot of others phones has a whole 4GB of rom.
After I rooted it and installed Royal Ginger 2.1 on it, I saw I only have a little over 1GB for all my apps. Meaning that the OS takes up 3.6GB(formatted) - 1.2GB(Around) = 2.4GB ....
Is there anyway to get more user space? Some phones only come with 512MB of Rom so how are they able to load so much into 512 when we have 4GB and most of it not usable.
Honestly, I think 1GB is fine, just does not add up for me
I think when you see manufacturers talk rom size it's the amount available to the user. So 512MB after os allocation.
so when mytouch 4g says 4GB it means? 4GB to user?
the 4 gigs are supposed to be for the system and any read only data, or apps that don't like being on the SD Card. Even with a hundred apps, it should still be enough. What you'd really want is a larger SD card, and you'll be living in harmony.
No 4GB total of which 1.1 available.
Desire for 512MB of which 100 or less available to user.
Rest is storage + cache.
Desire canbe changed VIA hboot. If same can be done to glacier, im sûre u'll find the remaining space.
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nicbrownn80 said:
so when mytouch 4g says 4GB it means? 4GB to user?
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Had that backwards, sorry
Hi, I'm posting this as a cloned discussion from:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=42326387
as it's been suggested to me that this section might be more appropriate for my question.
UoMoTaLpA said:
Maybe it's a stupid question to many, but... I have the chance to order a 32gb korean version of the S4 off Taobao.com, and since I live in China it's quite convenient. The only issue I have is that I refuse to use an android phone without rooting it, and I've been a happy Wanam user for a long time on my S3.
The taobao seller states that 16gb ROMs CANNOT be used for 32gb models AT ALL, but I know better than blindly trusting ignorant Chinese vendors who usually don't know what they are talking about (personal experience).
It does not matter whether it's 9500, 9505 or whatever, this seller has all the models (even 9508 dual sim), I just want to understand if SIZE is a problem or not... Will I be able to just simply root it, and keep using the stock ROM at least? Or maybe I'll even be able to install ANY 16gb ROM of my choice? Or none of the above???
Thanks!
P.S. I searched the S4 forums but found no reference at all to this question...
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A brief discussion with user "unremarked" (thanks man!) hints to the fact that any inter-size flash should be theoretically possible, but I'm still hoping for some first-hand experience from you guys.
Thanks
I don't know what the sd card capacity has to do with it. Shouldn't make any difference. Are these knock offs he's selling? (I won't get into what I think of that)
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I don't know what the sd card capacity has to do with it. Shouldn't make any difference. Are these knock offs he's selling? (I won't get into what I think of that)
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I'm not talking about the SD card capacity, I'm talking about the embedded storage of the phones. And we are talking about REAL S4s in various configurations (9500, 9505, 9502 and so on). Since my question is apparently too complicated, let's pose it like this:
Example:
phone in my hands: ORIGINAL i9500 with 32gb INTERNAL MEMORY
what I want to do: flash a ROM that's been developed for a phone with 16gb INTERNAL MEMORY
Can-do?
It doesn't matter if the phone is 16GB or 32GB. One ROM fits them all.
Kind of like you installing Windows on your 100GB hard drive or your 2TB hard drive. As long as the *minimum* size is met, then you're good to go.
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I'm not talking about the SD card capacity, I'm talking about the embedded storage of the phones. And we are talking about REAL S4s in various configurations (9500, 9505, 9502 and so on). Since my question is apparently too complicated, let's pose it like this:
Example:
phone in my hands: ORIGINAL i9500 with 32gb INTERNAL MEMORY
what I want to do: flash a ROM that's been developed for a phone with 16gb INTERNAL MEMORY
Can-do?
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The ROMs aren't devolped for a particular sized GB phone.. Look at any of the ROM names or flash requirements.. NONE of them state you have to have a particular phone memory wise.. Just needs to be the right variant.. I've never heard of the 9502 or 9508 so can't say on them.. But if you have a i9500 phone then you can only flash ROMs made for the octacore processor in your phone.. So really you should be in the s4 i9500 forums as the AT&T, and Canadian variant phones are quad core not octacore
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UoMoTaLpA said:
I'm not talking about the SD card capacity, I'm talking about the embedded storage of the phones. And we are talking about REAL S4s in various configurations (9500, 9505, 9502 and so on). Since my question is apparently too complicated, let's pose it like this:
Example:
phone in my hands: ORIGINAL i9500 with 32gb INTERNAL MEMORY
what I want to do: flash a ROM that's been developed for a phone with 16gb INTERNAL MEMORY
Can-do?
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Relax dude, we're talking the same thing. Unless he's selling something that isn't what it seems it doesn't make any difference what the storage capacity is. Just like the other guys have said.
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Thanks everybody for making this issue a bit clearer