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Reason to still get a Nexus One?

I'm still debating on which phone to get right now, and wanted some opinion from Nexus One owners. Aside from aesthetic, which is totally personal preferences anyway, should i still get one now that the desire is out? Seeing a lot of people rooted their phones to get the desire rom anyway.
1. Froyo update before anyone else.
2. You hate Sense UI
Anymore? 0.o

Mokurex said:
I'm still debating on which phone to get right now, and wanted some opinion from Nexus One owners. Aside from aesthetic, which is totally personal preferences anyway, should i still get one now that the desire is out? Seeing a lot of people rooted their phones to get the desire rom anyway.
1. Froyo update before anyone else.
2. You hate Sense UI
Anymore? 0.o
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Pros of Nexus One vs desire
Will get Froyo soon (with full flash support)
two mics with one being used for noise cancellation
Cons of nexus one vs desire
3g issue(not as strong 3g signal if held in hand and weaker signal then other 3g phones)
no outlook calender support by default
Pros of desire vs nexus one
sense ui (if you like sense)
outlook calender support by default
Cons desire vs nexus one
Will not get Froyo or other udates soon or at all
one mic with no noise cancellation
If it was me I would go with the evo 4g but if I had to choose N1 vs desire I would get the nexus one. You will end up using nexus one rom with froyo anyway if you want updates the same year they come out.
Edit: Removed incorrect info about touch screen.

Wow, you basically nailed everything. Thanks for the info man.

I believe the Desire has the same touch screen as the Nexus One, and the same 3G chip. The 3G reception and the limitations of the touchscreen are the same on both.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbmnvikY0rg

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I believe the Desire has the same touch screen as the Nexus One, and the same 3G chip. The 3G reception and the limitations of the touchscreen are the same on both.
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The desire has the same 3g reception problem???? 0.o
Never heard of that one before. I guess not enough people has the desire yet.

Mokurex said:
The desire has the same 3g reception problem???? 0.o
Never heard of that one before. I guess not enough people has the desire yet.
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That, or they just don't wine about it as much as Nexus One owners do (T-Mobile especially).

I'm in the same boat as you.. (my contract with t-mobile is up in 40 days).. I too am going with the nexus one over the desire and other phones.

Desire has the same identical touchscreen as Nexus, so no pros on the touchscreen. I think you have confused desire with the droid incredible.

I enjoy every second I pass with the N1, I even forgot my girlfriend

vegetaleb said:
I enjoy every second I pass with the N1, I even forgot my girlfriend
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That can't be right, LOL

vegetaleb said:
I enjoy every second I pass with the N1, I even forgot my girlfriend
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Same here, lol, but my GF is constantly stealing my N1 from me, she loves the games on it.
Yesterday, at 1am, while still playing with it, she proclaimed that this is actually a "Family phone", so she has a right to use it all the time..
I guess I'll end up buying another one for her.

Yep, the ol lady is making noises. lol

N1:
1. N1 looks sexier than Desire.
2. N1 will get better attention from google.
3. N1 has active noise cancellation.
4. N1 has better development scene.
5. No SenseUI (I'd like to use google's interface).
6. Better support from community.
7. Tri-colour trackball notifications
Desire:
1. Desire has optical trackball.
2. It has more RAM (+50 I guess).
3. Comes with FM (I guess N1 will get it activated in the next update).
They both have the same touchscreen. So no advantages here...

faraz1992 said:
2. It has more RAM (+50 I guess).
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The Nexus One and the Desire have the same amount of RAM. They use the same SOC with 512MB of RAM. HTC must be combining the 64MB of RAM of another processor in the phone into their total while Google doesn't for their specs.

Out of all if these new phones coming out, the only feature I really wish my Nexus had is HDMI out. I could care less about the new screens, or higher res cameras with HD recording (the main upgrades you'll find in the newer phones).. Some people definitely will, but I don't. If none of those three features really matter to you, you can't go wrong with the Nexus. Performance wise there really isn't anything that's even been announced that will trump the N1 in terms of speed and power.
If it comes down to the Desire and Nexus, and you value custom development, then pick the Nexus.

There isnt such a difference between the N1 and the Desire ( except for the noise cancellation, form factor, trackpad, ). They share the same specifications and while the Desire has a bit more RAM on paper, I dont think it will make any difference in performance. The touchscreen technology is THE SAME on both phones, only the Incredible has the new touchscreen technology so hah !!! I currently have the N1 and I have to say that I love every bit of it. If i had a chance to choose one more time between the N1 and the desire, I will still go with the N1 for some subjectively unspoken reasons ( lol ), and I LOVE the glowing notification trackball of the N1, which is just SO cool and not many android devices are equipped with !

There is a thread in the Desire subforum about it's reception dropping when picked up.

te_quiero_forever_girl said:
There isnt such a difference between the N1 and the Desire ( except for the noise cancellation, form factor, trackpad, ). They share the same specifications and while the Desire has a bit more RAM on paper, I dont think it will make any difference in performance. The touchscreen technology is THE SAME on both phones, only the Incredible has the new touchscreen technology so hah !!! I currently have the N1 and I have to say that I love every bit of it. If i had a chance to choose one more time between the N1 and the desire, I will still go with the N1 for some subjectively unspoken reasons ( lol ), and I LOVE the glowing notification trackball of the N1, which is just SO cool and not many android devices are equipped with !
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The HTC Evo also has the new touchscreen. People are not paying it much attention yet..

Mokurex said:
I'm still debating on which phone to get right now, and wanted some opinion from Nexus One owners. Aside from aesthetic, which is totally personal preferences anyway, should i still get one now that the desire is out? Seeing a lot of people rooted their phones to get the desire rom anyway.
1. Froyo update before anyone else.
2. You hate Sense UI
Anymore? 0.o
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Are both available in Thailand? If so, what's the price difference?

[Q] i need your guys opinion

someone just offered me a vibrant+$50 for my g2.
OR
HD2+50
yes? no?

No.... $150 and g2 maybe.....
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Lol hell no are you serious? Like the guy above said at LEAST 150. I would even bump it to 200.
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Both of those are downgrades, IMO. Why would you want to take a step backwards device-wise, even for a little extra money? Remorse is sure to ensue.
Vibrant is cheap plastic, and lots of issues with that phone (CPU lag, major GPS problems) and there is less developer support on XDA for Samsung phones. HD2 is old hardware, that phone was released Nov. 2009.
Check out this post by another guy that traded his G2 for the Vibrant, and totally regrets it. Don't be him.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=910953

remember, the G2 is your "baby".......

I'll give you a c-note, one of those phones and a Klondike bar. Deal?
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Simple: NO

Replaced 3 phones in 3 months, just cuz I was never happy with my all 3 android devices, finally got DZ launched here in canada and I was craviing for it, purchased my DZ over a month ago, loving it so much that I can't even think of letting this phone go in my wildest dream...
Straight no to any other trades, even if u get a lot in return... this is the phone u will regret letting go...
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the gps in vibrant or other galaxy s phone sucked hard
my captivate never really get the right location without using wifi or mobile network

i just really enjoy trying new phones. and i likw the hd2because its so versatile in what OS you can run. and the screen...its huge lol

anyone compared both the Desire HD and Desire Z side by side?

urfavoritemazn said:
i just really enjoy trying new phones. and i likw the hd2because its so versatile in what OS you can run. and the screen...its huge lol
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Than try Desire HD, HD7, Evo Shift, Thunderbolt or something similar, but not outdated phones like HD2 ;-) And Samsung is not a choice at all IMO. Low quality, cheap plastic, disposable toys. They could'nt even make their own design and copy-cat'ed an iPhone.
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djfoo000 said:
anyone compared both the Desire HD and Desire Z side by side?
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I did, what would you like to know?
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urfavoritemazn said:
i just really enjoy trying new phones. and i likw the hd2because its so versatile in what OS you can run. and the screen...its huge lol
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If you like trying new phones, the HD2 doesn't qualify. Its a very old phone. 14 month old hardware may as well be 10 years in the smartphone business.
And a Android port is never going to run as well as a phone that is designed to run Android natively. So don't think that you will really have an Android phone on your hands if you buy an HD2 and flash an Android port. Old hardware that runs a very outdated OS, that also has the ability to run an Android port = not worth it.

I'm actually getting an HD2 to run Android and ditching my G2. It has the same hardware as my N1, which is running wonderfully and is a year old now, so I am not worried. I want the big screen, dual LED flash, and the Desire HD ROM. I've been waiting for T-Mo to announce a 4.3" HTC phone but who knows if it'll even happen at MWC so I am using the HD2 to hold me over until one ever comes to T-Mo.

just thought i'd let you guys know, i got the hd2 and am now running CM7 on NAND. its amazing. i love it

I had the hd2 before i got my z and it is a good phone with good support on xda. I just couldnt get used to its size. The z just "feels" better.

Atrix Vs N1 Vs DHD

hey guys i have to buy one of these phones this wednesday. which one youguys think is better and why? please share and help me out

get the atrix if you can love with a locked boot loader , not sure though but most likely. But its got the best hardware out of all 3
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the_ahmadzais said:
hey guys i have to buy one of these phones this wednesday. which one youguys think is better and why? please share and help me out
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Atrix has the best hardware but won't get custom roms. The Desire HD has lots of custom roms.
The N1 is too old to get as a new phone now.
If I had to pick one of the three by Wednesday it would be the Desire HD. Motorola is a deal breaker for me as of today.

I have both the Nexus One and the Inspire, and am currently conflicted as to which one to use for everyday use. Right now I am on the N1 with Gingerbread, and waiting for a 2.3 release for the Inspire. Both are very capable phones, though I have had several major crashes on a bone stock Inspire.
The Nexus One was a recent thank you gift from a client, and the Inspire was a replacement from AT&T for the Captivate.

Atrix if hardware specs are important for you.
Desire HD if you want custom roms
N1 is the lousiest in terms of specs between the 3 phones, but is google branded and have the latest gingerbread official rom

navlem said:
N1 is the lousiest in terms of specs between the 3 phones, but is google branded and have the latest gingerbread official rom
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May be N1 is a too old to buy but it is not the lousiest... it is just an old hardware which was the best out there at the time... it still is better build quality than the DHD IMO, may be it is quiet comparable to the Atrix atleast considering build quality.
Again, it all depends on what's coming up next and I personally prefer Atrix if I was lucky to get it on any of the canadian careers

creativedevil said:
May be N1 is a too old to buy but it is not the lousiest... it is just an old hardware which was the best out there at the time... it still is better build quality than the DHD IMO, may be it is quiet comparable to the Atrix atleast considering build quality.
Again, it all depends on what's coming up next and I personally prefer Atrix if I was lucky to get it on any of the canadian careers
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It's coming to bell soon. Check the website.

N1 is still a great phone. But the Motorola Atrix is sweet in hardware. I going to have to up a MAX phone. (Motorola Atrix)

I looked at the atrix today, and was surprised at how small it is. Not much bigger than the n1
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mrbkkt1 said:
I looked at the atrix today, and was surprised at how small it is. Not much bigger than the n1
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It's only .3 inch different.
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wang1404 said:
get the atrix if you can live with a locked boot loader. Its got the best hardware out of all 3
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I agree. Most people don't root so as long as you are one of the many that don't then go for the Atrix 4g. 1930mAh battery is a game changer!

Well now that I have the Nexus I fell as though I can make a good argument.
I used the Atrix 4G all day, every day for about 5 days when I first got it, then traded my iPad for the Nexus o1
At this point, I have both of those and a Captivate, which I used tto compare the speeds.
Having them all hooked up over wifi aand loading the full Engadget page, the Atrix came in first with the Nexus coming maybe 2 seconds later at the most.
Pages load quickly, embedded flash plays nicely as well. I love the size and notification lights too.
All in all, I would say to get the Nexus one now (Haven't used the Desire) and save your upgrade for later this year; at least that's what I'm doing.

Personally I'm waiting, but if you have to buy then get the Atrix.

Aria discontinued

AT&T / HTC has discontinued the Aria. Any suggestions for a replacement if I drop mine? I really like the small format. Interesting they pull the phone just after the Goto upgrade!
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rayott said:
AT&T / HTC has discontinued the Aria. Any suggestions for a replacement if I drop mine? I really like the small format. Interesting they pull the phone just after the Goto upgrade!
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You could replace it with the HTC Legend. It has almost the same features as the Aria but just a slightly different design and a better screen. Check here for details: http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_legend-3141.php.

Any word on what the insurance replacement will become?

why did they stop offering it, i was waiting for 2 more mths to upgrade, i dont enjoy the big phones i want something to replace my htc pure
was it a bad phone or something?

It's not really a bad phone if you're not a heavy user.
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Its a great phone. The others are just too big! Even the placement of the MP3 and USB ports are perfect. Again, its baffling why it would be discontinued right after they released the 2.2.2 Froyo upgrade.

Yeah, this is sad. I don't like all the huge phones out right now. I was excited about the release of the Desire S, but nobody else seems to be, and it will probably be largely ignored in the dev community.

I wish they would make another phone the size of an aria but with more modern features - camera flash, adobe flash, etc. That would be awesome.

Keep HTC Sensation or go Nexus S?

Hi Everyone,
I recently switched from Verizon to T-Mobile last weekend and picked up the new Sensation 4G with my plan. I like the phone, but then recently realized the Nexus S was on T-Mobile (some reason I thought it was AT&T). I'm not sure if I want to keep the Sensation now and swap to the NS within the 14-day period you get when signing a new contract to return the phone. The Sensation has a lot of functionality and customization, but the phone feels kinda laggy and buggy almost.
Now in my area, I don't have 3G/4G for T-Mobile so the 4G speeds aren't really felt with my Sensation so that isn't a concern for me dropping to a 3G-only phone. I have played with the NS at a Best Buy in the past and the demo unit was pretty beat on, rough shape so I might need to check it out again at another store to see if I like it. I have had the Hero, Incredible and now the Sensation so I am a pretty big fan of Sense UI so I am not sure if I would miss it a lot going back to vanilla android.
What is everyone's opinion on switching? Would you keep the Sensation and hope that performance will be better with updates (or eventually rooting/flashing ROMs) or switch to the NS while I can? Trying to get a lot of opinions on this and making my final decision this weekend.

If it makes you feel any better, I went from a G2x to a Nexus S. Sick of the Carrier/Manufacturer games.

My first phone was the G1, so I am a big fan of stock Android. I can't really get into the Sense UI on my work Thunderbolt. I find the stock Gingerbread UI to be the best UI Android phones have ever had. I've also used Samsung's TouchWiz and liked that more than Sense.
I contemplated switching to the HTC Sensation 4G because I am due for an upgrade (my contract has expired from my G1), but after working with the HTC Thunderbolt, I don't really like the quality vs my Samsung Nexus S. People kept saying the quality of the Nexus S is bad (mostly because it has a plastic back cover, big whoop), but I find it to be a solid phone and it is very fast. I have had zero problems with slowness or sluggish use. I am going to find it difficult to switch to another phone for a while I think.

I too went from a g2x to the nexus an and I'm not looking back. The nexus a is a fantastic device.and dual core is just hype, no real difference unless your a hardcore gamer.
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I also tried the G2X and went back to my Nexus S and I am not looking back. The NS built quality is solid and the phone is fast. Don't let the folks who say there is to much plastic fool ya, I have dropped mine twice and it keeps right on running.
The super amoled screen blows the G2X and Sensation screens away and I also have mine rooted running the CM7 nightly with the netarchy custom kernel which is proving to be a great combination and very stable.
At the moment there is not much development in the forum of custom ROM's for the G2X or HTC Sensation which is a sticking point for me. Just my opinion.

I would stick with the HTC sensation. Bigger screen, better camera. Especially if Sense is something you're used to, rather than the vanilla android. Only thing that the HTC Sensation will be lacking in, is updates. The Nexus will get updated 1st. But if you're the kind of guy who likes to mod and install ROM's, that is a moot point.
Since the Sensation is also a newer phone, it'll hold it's moneytary value better than the Nexus S.

I'd go w/ the Nexus S. I too had the G2x, but I've had the NS for about 2 months now and haven't looked back. The screen is beautiful (especially after you root and get a kernel with the 2.3.2 color drivers or voodoo color), and I really like the form factor of the phone, too (slight curve, completely black on the front, etc.). Sure, it's all plastic but that doesn't bug me as it does others.
FWIW, I had an evo on Sprint and didn't particularly like the phone. I had 3 - 1 new and 2 refurbs - because they all developed dust under the top left corner of the screen. Also, it was heavy and too big (I think a 4 inch screen is the sweet spot). The Sensation can't fix that it is big and heavy, although it does have a higher number of pixels than the NS. I also think the back of the phone is fugly.
Sure, the NS isn't the most powerful phone out there and there are things we all wish it had (hello, an sdcard slot?) but its a great phone. And pure Google, so you'll be getting the updates first. For God's sake the N1 has Gingerbread on it and manufacturers (I'm looking at you, LG, and your G2x) still release phones with FroYo.

Thanks for all the input, the main reason I like Sense is the widgets that HTC makes. They are very handy and even though most of the widgets are duplicated by apps in the market, they just seem to "flow" better on Sense.
I have had 7 android phones so far so I have had a taste of everything almost (Vanilla - G1, MyTouch, Moto Droid) (Sense - Hero, Incredible, Sensation) (Motoblur - Droid X, bleh). I messed around with the Nexus S at the local Best Buy and the form factor was surprisingly good IMO. Had a good feel and decent-sized screen and was very responsive with vanilla Gingerbread.
I think it will depend on how much of a hassle it would be to swap out the phones on the plan. I got the Sensation at the T-Mobile store and the Best Buy rep said I would have to return the phone to that location and they would maybe have to notate on the account that I returned it and then go to the Best Buy store to get the NS. Will have to talk to T-Mobile this weekend as the location I went to was out of town.
Is anybody having GPS issues or anything like that with their NS? I have heard of many Galaxy S phones having lock-on issues and don't know if that transferred over to the NS as well.

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Is anybody having GPS issues or anything like that with their NS? I have heard of many Galaxy S phones having lock-on issues and don't know if that transferred over to the NS as well.
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Nope not for me at least. Most people say it locks faster ii agree
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srt4mn said:
Thanks for all the input, the main reason I like Sense is the widgets that HTC makes. They are very handy and even though most of the widgets are duplicated by apps in the market, they just seem to "flow" better on Sense.
I have had 7 android phones so far so I have had a taste of everything almost (Vanilla - G1, MyTouch, Moto Droid) (Sense - Hero, Incredible, Sensation) (Motoblur - Droid X, bleh). I messed around with the Nexus S at the local Best Buy and the form factor was surprisingly good IMO. Had a good feel and decent-sized screen and was very responsive with vanilla Gingerbread.
I think it will depend on how much of a hassle it would be to swap out the phones on the plan. I got the Sensation at the T-Mobile store and the Best Buy rep said I would have to return the phone to that location and they would maybe have to notate on the account that I returned it and then go to the Best Buy store to get the NS. Will have to talk to T-Mobile this weekend as the location I went to was out of town.
Is anybody having GPS issues or anything like that with their NS? I have heard of many Galaxy S phones having lock-on issues and don't know if that transferred over to the NS as well.
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No gps issues but htc phones seems to lock gps faster btw the sensation is a great phone and HTC widgets work better cause they actually. Made them and all to ones in the market are the copycat imo I would stay with the sensation better build quality and i'm pretty sure you will get ice cream update sometimes next year, and nexus s is a great phone but in tmobile it doesn't have hspa +. So that kind of sucks and the speaker is not as loud if you watch youtube a lot you will prefer the sensation, that's just my opinion I got the nexus s just to wait for the HTC evo 3d(sensation brother). But I do not like the build quality on it so I might just get something else or stick with verizon Thunderbolt
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and nexus s is a great phone but in tmobile it doesn't have hspa +. So that kind of sucks and the speaker is not as loud if you watch youtube a lot you will prefer the sensation, that's just my opinion I got the nexus s just to wait for the HTC evo 3d(sensation brother). But I do not like the build quality on it so I might just get something else or stick with verizon Thunderbolt
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I don't have 4G in my area and outlook isn't the greatest for the future on it so I am not too picky about missing that.
The speaker on the sensation is on the backside of the phone so it's usually muffled and quiet when I set it down. Not a fan of that location.

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I don't have 4G in my area and outlook isn't the greatest for the future on it so I am not too picky about missing that.
The speaker on the sensation is on the backside of the phone so it's usually muffled and quiet when I set it down. Not a fan of that location.
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Mm then maybe the nexus is not a bad choice after all I would stay with eitheir one If you really ok with vanilla android go right ahead and get the nexus s

Picked up the NS tonight! Loving it so far! Thanks for all the feedback

Be aware that the nexus 4g radio will idle a lot. You will not be connected to the internet when it does that and you will not receive push mail or gtalk messages. Or anything else that pushes. It does not fail over to 3g. These are reasons I will probably go to the evo.
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I think your claim is a little off base. I receive everything fine even when 4g is idle.
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Be aware that the nexus 4g radio will idle a lot. You will not be connected to the internet when it does that and you will not receive push mail or gtalk messages. Or anything else that pushes. It does not fail over to 3g. These are reasons I will probably go to the evo.
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I'd wanna wait for the next nexus actually. Having gone through HTC's and the SGS I really must say that stock android works the best. My Desire Z has been waiting for forever for the gingerbread 2.3 update, my old SGS on the other hand went for months without updates until samsung finally delivered the goods early this year
THE SGS2 is a different beast though. I'm mighty tempted to do the upgrade, I really believe that even the next nexus won't be able to match the hardware of the SGS2. Only the software. Samsung is a LARGE company with a lof of cash to burn and capital to spend. They can easily flex their muscle for better parts, chips and other components. Look at HTC and the way they've been skimping on everything.

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Be aware that the nexus 4g radio will idle a lot. You will not be connected to the internet when it does that and you will not receive push mail or gtalk messages. Or anything else that pushes. It does not fail over to 3g. These are reasons I will probably go to the evo.
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No worries on this if it is true, I got the T-Mobile (3g-only) version.

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I think your claim is a little off base. I receive everything fine even when 4g is idle.
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Untrue. Tested and found to be the case. You pro ably have something polling every 5 minutes or so which forces a connection. You will not get instant push.
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I think your claim is a little off base. I receive everything fine even when 4g is idle.
Be aware that the nexus 4g radio will idle a lot. You will not be connected to the internet when it does that and you will not receive push mail or gtalk messages. Or anything else that pushes. It does not fail over to 3g. These are reasons I will probably go to the evo.
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I will try ans video document but you can try it yourself. Just check it stays idle and email yourself.
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i would say it depends if you dont really bother about updates than just go for sensation it has better ram much better cpu belive it does make diffrent. alot of time my nexus s 4g browser shuts down it self becouse of lack of memory ram..specially when im watching HD video streaming..another thing htc got notification light..alot of pre installed apps which some of them are handy and useful with nexus s u have to install it from market . and new sense is awesome soooo depends on you what u like and what u want..check both phones and go what ur heart says