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Htc Hero to....Iphone 4 or Desire Z??

Hiya, im going to be replacing my htc hero with a new phone pretty soon, and im stuck in-between two phones, the htc desire z and the iphone 4.... heeeelp im not sure which one to buy, i like the resale value of the iphone and iv had an iphone before my htc hero, but then again, android is growing and it has a keyboard which im interested in.
so anybody got any suggestions? thank you

I'm going to go for a Desire Z

+1 on Desire Z
Btw, why are you replacing your Hero? On a plan or wanting specific features?

I dont think any1 on this forum would day iP4
+1 Desire Z

see my parents are on a plan, and they don't care about their phones, so my brother and i take them
of course we still pay for the phone itself, so i switch the sim cards, from a bill pay (monthly plan) to pay as you go (top up by €20 credit whenever i need it and buy more when it runs out) so i am very lucky, and my dads plan is coming up to renewal so i might aswell buy the Z, rather than him use it up on a really cheap phone when i could get the Z for €120
so i could get the desire Z or iphone.
The hero is getting old now, especially compared to the newer generation phones such as the desire Z itself.

Out of the two, desire z; although I prefer the desire hd. That said I've just upgraded to the Samsung Omnia 7.
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Desire Z
Just ordered mine tonight
Got an amazing deal, should be here on tuesday

yeah im liking it too, the screens amazing on the iphone, but i dunno, is the loose hinge a fault or just something that comes with the phone because thers a few that dont have the problem

Well I recently upgraded to the desire Z due to contract renewal, (I never even considered the ip4) but I was a bit iffy on getting the Desire Z, as I never thought I'd use the keyboard, but it was the most appealing phone out at the time so went for it anyway. Needless to say I love it, and I don't think I'll ever go back to a keyboardless phone again! No matter how good an onscreen keyboard may be, I don't think it could ever replace a real one (And that's only after a month of having the phone!) It looks amazing, much better than the now generic looking ip4, and more classy than the samasung phones. Build quality is good too, feels very solid. The loose hinge (I wouldn't call it loose) isn't a problem, in fact if you never heard all the reports, I doubt you would have known about it, as it's just when you hold it in really weird ways that you'll notice it, and to me it felels very snappy when I open or close it, so imo, nothing to worry about there. As for the screen, I wouldn't worry about the ip4s 'super amazing magical' display, put it next to the hero and it looks like you've just upgraded from a tube tv, to a HD one! And I thought the Hero had a decent screen xD And next to the ip4, you barely notice the difference, imo the Galaxy S phones have the more impressive screen (just 4'' is too big for my liking). Other than that, great phone all round, and you'll have plenty to play around with the new HTC sense, and all the custom roms. So I'd say go with the Z.

Bro htc hero runs smooth with root. If you just want to change hardware for newer phones just say that. To me htc hero is good device, iPhone 4 sucks..
I have three android devices if i didnt have Motorola Droid & HTC Hero i would say desire Z.
But Droid does more then Htc desire Z minus the memory internal storage problem, that can be solve by having A2SD partitioned .
But go with android.... I hate apple products.
Beagan said:
yeah im liking it too, the screens amazing on the iphone, but i dunno, is the loose hinge a fault or just something that comes with the phone because thers a few that dont have the problem
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I went from a Hero to a DZ,.... specifically for the h/w keyboard,... my other half has a desire, if I didn't want the keyboard I think I would be happy with that rather than the IP4 which my pal has. Definitely HTC with Android all the way baby.
Even taking into consideration HTCs dismal update history with my Hero, it is a non issue with the support on XDA.

Also, just a thought guys, but 'I hate Apple products' isn't very helpful to someone deciding on a new phone. I admit I'm not a fan either (who on xda is?!) But at least back it up with reasons as to why.

I am going to buy a Desire HD.

Don't go for the iPhone 4. The desire range is much better, and in any case the iPhone 5 will be out in a few months...

In spite of owning a Hero and totally bumming android I never really went down the "eww apple" route. Mainly because i'd had no experience of apple's products.
For xmas i was gifted an iPod touch 4G. Its smooth as hell. The quality and range of games is far superior to android based phones too, at least in my experience. It really depends what you want the phone for. I'm sure the Desire Z is really nice, but there's no denying the iPhone is too.
I honestly don't know which way i'd go. Games - iPhone. Keyboard - DZ. Could it be that simple?

I have a Hero at the mo but won't be getting another HTC device. Galaxy S II or LG Black for me
iPhone's are quality, but the lack of flexibility of what you can do with them puts me off.

My next device is an Android with a hardware keyboard. I think the Motorola Milestone (2).
Never again a phone with a on-screen-keyboard!
So, if I were you: The Desire Z

The next phone after a HTC Hero should be a Desire HD, however that's been out since November and is old hat. I got the HTC Hero because it was the first Android phone in the UK so I'm waiting for the LG Optimus p920 3D (hopefully a UK April launch) as it'll be the new tech on the market.

The iPhone is quality, but the problem with it, called iTunes drags this phone down. You are so locked...too much.
The next phone for me is either an HTC dual core or the LG Optimus with the Tegra2 chip (dual core). Be aware that the black edition is single core.
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Hey u can buy a I-Touch instead , And i will choose Desire HD / Z (I love DHD , great graphics! , powerfull processing)

getting a new phone which is better

well i currently got a wildfire and im thinking off upgrading not sure which one to go for
htc desire hd or
samsung galaxy s
hmmmmmmmmmm

daddyspud said:
well i currently got a wildfire and im thinking off upgrading not sure which one to go for
htc desire hd or
samsung galaxy s
hmmmmmmmmmm
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I would go for Desire HD. Materials and general quality. (Galaxy is plastics)
But it depends in your needs and likes, and price. Sure other people will write big explanations.
Nice upgrade anyway!

eva since my sister shown me the galaxy s i wanted it but i really like the desire as well hmmmmmm but my network offers me a good deal on the galaxy s 300 mins 3000 text and 500mb internet 25.50 a month
desire is the same

daddyspud said:
eva since my sister shown me the galaxy s i wanted it but i really like the desire as well hmmmmmm but my network offers me a good deal on the galaxy s 300 mins 3000 text and 500mb internet 25.50 a month
desire is the same
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Sure, it is a great phone. I just believe HTC is better. Have you looked at that video? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75YvokzYmrg
It can be very useful to you (long. software stuff starts at 4:50)

antonio1475 said:
Sure, it is a great phone. I just believe HTC is better. Have you looked at that video? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75YvokzYmrg
It can be very useful to you (long. software stuff starts at 4:50)
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the difference i can see is
galaxy s is that it has slighty longer long life and looks like a iphone
htc desire hd has a flasher bigger memory has 2fps better
but from i can see the galaxy s is porting stuf from htc
but i really wana keep the phone stock but them again i like to play so hmmmmmmmmm

The Galaxy S was the first smartphone I bought and it's a great phone. Swype is one of THE best apps I've ever used and I dearly wish it was available on the Wildfire as typing this reply with a bog-standard keyboard is a major PITA.
I principally bought the Galaxy S because it was the biggest screen on the market at the time and watching videos on a small screen blows. Of course, there are now phones with bigger screens, so I've upgraded to the Nexus S. Another key factor in my upgrade decision was that Samsung took a long time to upgrade the Galaxy S from Eclair to Froyo and I didn't want to wait for them to upgrade it to Gingerbread so I bought the Nexus S. AFAIK, to date Samsung have no plans to upgrade the Galaxy S to Gingerbread.
So I suggest you factor this in to your purchase decision and try and really focus on what you're looking for in a smartphone.
I've also just discovered the world of custom ROMs so now I find I'm going to sell my Galaxy S (and possibly my Nexus S - while the secondhand prices are still high) as I'm enjoying my (small and thin) Wildfire + custom ROMs so much that I hardly ever use the other two phones.
So my advice to you is to seriously think about what it really is you like about the hardware. As the software you can change.
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P1ngP1ng said:
The Galaxy S was the first smartphone I bought and it's a great phone. Swype is one of THE best apps I've ever used and I dearly wish it was available on the Wildfire as typing this reply with a bog-standard keyboard is a major PITA.
I principally bought the Galaxy S because it was the biggest screen on the market at the time and watching videos on a small screen blows. Of course, there are now phones with bigger screens, so I've upgraded to the Nexus S. Another key factor in my upgrade decision was that Samsung took a long time to upgrade the Galaxy S from Eclair to Froyo and I didn't want to wait for them to upgrade it to Gingerbread so I bought the Nexus S. AFAIK, to date Samsung have no plans to upgrade the Galaxy S to Gingerbread.
So I suggest you factor this in to your purchase decision and try and really focus on what you're looking for in a smartphone.
I've also just discovered the world of custom ROMs so now I find I'm going to sell my Galaxy S (and possibly my Nexus S - while the secondhand prices are still high) as I'm enjoying my (small and thin) Wildfire + custom ROMs so much that I hardly ever use the other two phones.
So my advice to you is to seriously think about what it really is you like about the hardware. As the software you can change.
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REally?!?! You have Galaxy S, Nexus S, but you prefer Wildfire?? I have too much envy right now!!! But it's a little strange, isn't it? I mean they are fantastic phones and Wildfire is great, but no so powerful!

Yes, it surprises me as well that I find the Wildfire to be more to my liking. I guess I just like its size compared to the others. Each to his own, but it has been an expensive exercise for me to find out what I really like.
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im keeping my wildfire as i love it but i reallt want a upgraded phone really i want the best of both lol and ill us my wildfire on motorbike as my mp3 player and sat nav etc and if falls off the sat nav stand i want b to upset as ill have my samsung lol but i will miss the little thing done me good so fare cheap and chearfull lol

Whichever you can get and play around with the soonest.

Nokia 3210
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kevin2516 said:
Nokia 3210
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Kev. Throw yourself out from a window of a skyscraper dude

Samsung galaxy S is very slick and smooth but if youre looking for a quality phone andorid still then i'd suggest going for the Google Nexus S
dhar9417

zephyri-xr said:
Kev. Throw yourself out from a window of a skyscraper dude
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joker haha

Go for Milestone 2 or Just the normal Desire.

i got a samsung galaxy s for my gf. its a really nice phone, but she did experience an issue with the battery. it would hardly last 14 hrs. (with GPS, background data disabled, only 2G mode and abt an hour wi-fi use)

Not to worryed about battery as I usally have ne phone either plugged into my pc or on charge whilst im on my motobike so not to fussed about battery life
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Aria discontinued

AT&T / HTC has discontinued the Aria. Any suggestions for a replacement if I drop mine? I really like the small format. Interesting they pull the phone just after the Goto upgrade!
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rayott said:
AT&T / HTC has discontinued the Aria. Any suggestions for a replacement if I drop mine? I really like the small format. Interesting they pull the phone just after the Goto upgrade!
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You could replace it with the HTC Legend. It has almost the same features as the Aria but just a slightly different design and a better screen. Check here for details: http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_legend-3141.php.

Any word on what the insurance replacement will become?

why did they stop offering it, i was waiting for 2 more mths to upgrade, i dont enjoy the big phones i want something to replace my htc pure
was it a bad phone or something?

It's not really a bad phone if you're not a heavy user.
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Its a great phone. The others are just too big! Even the placement of the MP3 and USB ports are perfect. Again, its baffling why it would be discontinued right after they released the 2.2.2 Froyo upgrade.

Yeah, this is sad. I don't like all the huge phones out right now. I was excited about the release of the Desire S, but nobody else seems to be, and it will probably be largely ignored in the dev community.

I wish they would make another phone the size of an aria but with more modern features - camera flash, adobe flash, etc. That would be awesome.

Anyone moving on to a non-SGS2?

Not intending to start a flame thread. Just wondering. I may be getting the sensation.
Anyone else in for an htc or lg? What about a moto?
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if i move on something besides SG2, then currently, the HTC Sensation.

sensation htc just better

I know it never come true for now but If Samsung can bump the resolution of it Super AMOLED Plus to mathch HTC Sensation -> There would be no other choice beside SGS2 ).

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sensation htc just better
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HTC=Garbage with every experience I have ever had with them. I'll be going with galaxy s 2

thats like comparing apples to ORANGES.. SG2 ALL THE WAY

mugenfiji0327 said:
HTC=Garbage with every experience I have ever had with them. I'll be going with galaxy s 2
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Htc isn't garbage and neither is samsung. Each excel at different things. (and have their own downsides).
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richiehd said:
Htc isn't garbage and neither is samsung. Each excel at different things. (and have their own downsides).
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If I got a phone from another manufacturer I wouldn't see it being anybody but HTC, though I always keep my eyes open for what's best. (No blind loyalty here!)
That said, everything I've seen about the SGS II makes it fairly clear it's set the bar on a whole new level... so barring some amazing discoveries I'll be going the SGS II route.
'course I just got my Vibrant yesterday but I've got a fairly voracious appetite as far as my toys go.

im actually suprised to see so many vibrant owners comtemplating samsung again. Yes, I am too. But I am definitely Very Cautions with our GPS problems, crappy software, and of course the Froyo debacle....
I am considering anything as it comes. At this point, seems the Sensation and GS2 seem to be the 2 worth waiting for. just really cautions with the GS2 given the Vibrant problems

My only concern with htc is battery life. If its not horrible, the sensation is a buy. I know the tbolt and evo had issues.
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Nope, can't beat these screens and since 90% of all the new phones are all screen it only makes sense to go with the best looking and best responding ones.

dcontrol said:
Nope, can't beat these screens and since 90% of all the new phones are all screen it only makes sense to go with the best looking and best responding ones.
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Well put!
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richiehd said:
Htc isn't garbage and neither is samsung. Each excel at different things. (and have their own downsides).
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No once again I say HTC=Garbage

mugenfiji0327 said:
No once again I say HTC=Garbage
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You're so close minded. You can't teach an old dog new tricks.
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I'm not close minded, I have given HTC phones a try. In fact I've had 4 of them. Now just like I said all 4 of those phones were complete garbage as far as hardware failure and just being worthless hardware to begin with. Once again I state what I believe to be a fact.
HTC=Garbage

Ill be going back to HTC and getting the Sensation.
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HTC needs fresh design ideas, all their phones share same design.
Samsung needs developers.
And finally we need phones like SGS-2
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I agree with htc is near garbage. Every phone is damn near the same. Ive just purchased an sgs2 from uk. Ive had the hd2, hd7, DHD, Inspire and played with evo and a couple verizon version. Build quality is great except the lcd plasitc they use. I guess im spoiled by the gorilla glass after breaking and repairing a couple hd2s.
I guess I became a music addict over the last year and htc music quality is horrible. HD7 audio was the worst. HD2 was probably the best htc phone when it comes to audio.

I buy and sell alot of phones via Craigslist and eBay. I've had my Vibrant since October and this is honestly the longest I have kept a phone in the past 3-4 years. I absolutely love the phone.
I had the using (2) MY4Gs, and HD2, HD7, myTouch slide, (2) G2's, Cliq2's, (2) Blackberry Torches, Bold 9700 and 9780 etc etc etc. the list goes on. So far, the Vibrant has by far been been my favorite phone and I have had a great experience.
HTC, IMO is shaky in terms of build quality. No doubt, I felt the HD2/HD7 felt more substantial in the hand than the Vibrant. But you can't defend the fact that the HD2 is plagued with failure rates. At least once a week, I see broken ones pop up on CL. I also loved the 4.3" screens.
I felt the MY4G was sub-par compared to my vibrant, even though I felt it was still an excellent phone.
I will most likely get the GalaxyS2 a couple months after it comes out

right now the sgs2 is the only phone i'd switch from my vibrant for. i'm not really brand loyal, but i think samsung is quickly learning that their sgs users expect os updates and you can't beat their hardware. plus samsung seems to be pretty dev friendly considering odin, how easy the sgs was to root, and how quickly they have been releasing their source.

Desire C

So today i read some articles about the new Desire C ( dutch articles most of you wouldn't understand them but google is your friend )
So basicly this is some sort of Wildfire type phone. Low specs. And guess what. It is rocking ICS.
I don't understand why HTC is bringing out this low spec phones with ICS and not updating the Desire Z with ICS.
Yes it is probably because of sense 3.6 being to heavy for our phone.
But as i recal there once was a HTC Desire who was not supposed to get a Gingerbread update and it still got it because the users were not satisfied with HTC behaviour on this.
So basicly my point is. We need to let them hear our voice on this and go ahead and sign those petitions that were started weeks ago if you did not do this then.
Many thanks!
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johrie said:
So today i read some articles about the new Desire C ( dutch articles most of you wouldn't understand them but google is your friend )
So basicly this is some sort of Wildfire type phone. Low specs. And guess what. It is rocking ICS.
I don't understand why HTC is bringing out this low spec phones with ICS and not updating the Desire Z with ICS.
Yes it is probably because of sense 3.6 being to heavy for our phone.
But as i recal there once was a HTC Desire who was not supposed to get a Gingerbread update and it still got it because the users were not satisfied with HTC behaviour on this.
So basicly my point is. We need to let them hear our voice on this and go ahead and sign those petitions that were started weeks ago if you did not do this then.
Many thanks!
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Actually I believe its running sense 4.0 as it shows in the screenshots. But it only has a 600mhz processor
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Actually I believe its running sense 4.0 as it shows in the screenshots. But it only has a 600mhz processor
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I know that and I did not state that it is not. You were probably confused with my 3.6 statement. HTC is not updating older phones with sense 4.0 but with 3.6 and that is why we won't get the update. It is simply to much for this phone. But we could get a slimmed to version of 3.6.
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Its because they are money hungry and they want you to buy new phone.If they stay pushing out updates to older phones they won't encourage you to buy new phones=smaller profit for them
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New phone - new money for company . No sense in upgradin old devices to the latest updates , when it is possible to get profit from pushiing out new smartphone even when specs is lower than olders one.
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However, they could give us some source codes for the devs to make the work and not htc
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First, horrible thread title.
Second, dont look at this like "**** HTC; They release (another) ****ty phone and it has ICS!". No...Look at this as a low specd phone with ICS; Opening a SLIGHT REMOTE AND SMALL oportunity that our HTC Desire Z might get a ICS update. Facts are in: HTC Desire HD will (at some point in 90000000000 years) get ICS which has a lot in common internally with our phone, the Desire Z is the last QWERTY phone from HTC, and a way lower specs phone (except in internal space) has ICS before us. They may surprise us.

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First, horrible thread title.
Second, dont look at this like "**** HTC; They release (another) ****ty phone and it has ICS!". No...Look at this as a low specd phone with ICS; Opening a SLIGHT REMOTE AND SMALL oportunity that our HTC Desire Z might get a ICS update. Facts are in: HTC Desire HD will (at some point in 90000000000 years) get ICS which has a lot in common internally with our phone, the Desire Z is the last QWERTY phone from HTC, and a way lower specs phone (except in internal space) has ICS before us. They may surprise us.
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THEY SHOULD BE! Or else...
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riahc3 said:
First, horrible thread title.
Second, dont look at this like "**** HTC; They release (another) ****ty phone and it has ICS!". No...Look at this as a low specd phone with ICS; Opening a SLIGHT REMOTE AND SMALL oportunity that our HTC Desire Z might get a ICS update. Facts are in: HTC Desire HD will (at some point in 90000000000 years) get ICS which has a lot in common internally with our phone, the Desire Z is the last QWERTY phone from HTC, and a way lower specs phone (except in internal space) has ICS before us. They may surprise us.
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And because this is probably the last QWERTY phone from HTC they SHOULD update this phone. I am not going to buy a new phone without a h/w keyboard ( don't throw in the motorola argument in here they don't sell them in my country ). If htc is stopping with the QWERTY phones at least keep your latest up to date for a decent amount of time...
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johrie said:
And because this is probably the last QWERTY phone from HTC they SHOULD update this phone. I am not going to buy a new phone without a h/w keyboard ( don't throw in the motorola argument in here they don't sell them in my country ). If htc is stopping with the QWERTY phones at least keep your latest up to date for a decent amount of time...
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Why do people say they "should"? They shouldnt do ****. Back in the WAY old days, phones were never updated. These updates are free and they do it because they want to. They arent forced to do anything.
And you people obviously do not run a business or know how it runs. Here is a hint: PROFIT. Why would I, a phone maker, update my old models when I can simply release a Desire Z 2 (for example purposes) with the only difference is that it has ICS and sell it for 400 and lower the Desire Z 1 at 200? Thats called smart business because everyone wants the new model and if they cant afford it, they can go for the old one.
NO COMPANY IS FORCES OR SHOULD PUT OUT UPDATES. They release updates because they want to.

IMHO, i find it unfair that DHD users are getting their ICS upgrade while we are, well, most probably not even though both the DHD and DZ are launched concurrently.

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Why do people say they "should"? They shouldnt do ****. Back in the WAY old days, phones were never updated. These updates are free and they do it because they want to. They arent forced to do anything.
And you people obviously do not run a business or know how it runs. Here is a hint: PROFIT. Why would I, a phone maker, update my old models when I can simply release a Desire Z 2 (for example purposes) with the only difference is that it has ICS and sell it for 400 and lower the Desire Z 1 at 200? Thats called smart business because everyone wants the new model and if they cant afford it, they can go for the old one.
NO COMPANY IS FORCES OR SHOULD PUT OUT UPDATES. They release updates because they want to.
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A little detail i have to fix in your post... HTC never said anything about releasing a new phone with a hardware keyboard, they should update their latest because there will be no more newer version (unless the One Z is real... Which is not)...
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probably HTC did hte math and decided that neither a new Z phone or updating the old one was worth it...
We can keep asking .. you'll never know!
But You'll have to agree with the fact that is all just about money...

The whole argument with "phones did not get updated in the past" is kind of stupid. Phones are not what they used to be. It is not just a phone anymore it is a pocket computer.
Also they also did it with the desire so if we try hard enough maybe we can get official ICS.
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Probably we won't be seeing a successor to the Desire Z. And that is just sad. But I used my friends' note and typing on it wasn't that bad. The general trend is moving away from h/w keyboards.

I doubt there will be an ICS version for our Desire Z ever. Cause where is the attraction of buying a new one WITH ICS?
I´m running my two DesireZ with Andromadus beta ICS for a while now and I have the feeling of having a new mobile in my hands. So I gave up the thought buying a new one That's exactly what they do not want..
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I don't care much for ics as gingerbread has all the features I need, and unless there is a flawless ics rom why bother. I won't get a new phone (if my g2 breaks ill buy a used g2 from ebay) fact is that many g2/dz may not get another htc phone when theirs goes bad for many of us want a hardware keyboard. So why not move on to something else especially if they get a discount with a new contract. Untill we see a comprable yet updated phone from htc with a hardware keyboard they will probably loose more money than if they just released ics for our phones in the meantime while the g3 is being built. In the sense that we will keep these untill the g3 comes out. The g1 was the absolute best phone untill the g2, if there isn't a g3 then another company will certainly make the best phone and even the die hard htc fans (me included) will change our minds.
Just my take...
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