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HD2 or Incredible

Well after my ATT Razr finally ave up the ghost last week I ended up getting an HD2 T-Mobile. My first smart phone so I have no experience to compare Winmo/Android/Iphone.
First off I LOVE the large screen and sleek form factor of this phone. It is pleasure for me just to look at it and hold in my hand. Also the sense UI is very nice and thanks to XDA I have this thing tweaked nicely with Cookie's Home Tab, tetherings, etc. It might even be better if I flach the ROM.
That said I do seem to get a lot of freezes and crashes. Also with T-mo I am on Edge a lot and never was with ATT. I have an Incredible that will be waiting for me at Verizon on Thursday but I am a bit conflicted about giving up the HD2. I'm hoping for some feedback from more experienced smart phone users on this forum. some pros and cons for me:
Incredible runs Android. I guess this is the big one. May be more stable, more apps to download, etc.s. Maybe a much better user experienced.
love the big screen on HD2 (but I guess3.7 aint shabby)
Better network with Verizon but a bit more money
HD2 is quad band world phone.
OLED screen on Incredible is supposed to suck in daylight and the HD2 may be something I can use better outdoors. I guess the battery life is better with OLED but I would rather carry a spare battery and be able to see the thing on the street.
I have until Friday (2 more days) to return my HD2 so your feedback is appreciated.
Thanks................Marc

Return the HD2, get the incredible, if you dont like it, return that and get the HD2 again!
or just play with one in the shops. we arent gonna be living with the phone, you are, and so what I may like may not be what you like
That said, I want the Incredible, cos i wanna experience android, but I like the HD2 aswell! I cant have both, and since the incredible isnt coming to the uk, i guess thats my decision made for me!

U can put an Android system to HD2..and prolly U can also put a WM to Incredible
personally Ive got an HD2, but Id love to have the incredible..but for now its only for states 4g stuff..but really..before the Incredible got out..HD2 was the best phone on the planet earth..IMO

Android to the HD2 is far off in the future if at all.

tgerbracht said:
Android to the HD2 is far off in the future if at all.
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man..Im sure I saw it in some youtube video..plus the guy like could switch between the WM and Android..
Ill try to find and post it here..

imauser said:
man..Im sure I saw it in some youtube video..plus the guy like could switch between the WM and Android..
Ill try to find and post it here..
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Was probabaly the Touch HD, not the HD2

I think that HD2 was not much ruined by Tmobile installing their software on it... I have seen lots of poeple complaining about HTC Andorid based devices with Verizon - Droid and Eris... I simply cannot believe HTC would want something like that on the market. Droid is 5 times worse than my old HTC Wizard (MDA)...
Don't get me wrong - android is somewhat of a good concept and good OS - but sweet lord can branding of the carrier can ruin the phone...
I am actually pretty happy with how Tmobile kept HD2 up to speed with the manufacturer unlocked device - side by side - more memory for Tmobile HD2 and only downside is "Tmobile" sign on it - everything else seems to be same - meaning Tmobile did not ruin it... Verizon or AT&T including Tmobile would ruin the phone terribly ...
Example - AT&T ruined Nokia E71 - they castrated Nokia out of 99% of all the guts and presented it in the worse possible way - just to promote iPhone... I had E71 and it is not easily replacable... Even with HD2 I had to give up some very useful things that I am researching and slowly getting on HD2...
LOVE HD2 - go for it you won't make a mistake...

Incredible is only 3.7 inch screen where the evo4 is 4.3
Both android. Evo is bang on the same as the HD2 but android.
Still waiting for detailed specs to see bands supported.

dusty_nz said:
Incredible is only 3.7 inch screen where the evo4 is 4.3
Both android. Evo is bang on the same as the HD2 but android.
Still waiting for detailed specs to see bands supported.
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off the top of my head, evo has an updated snapdragon (i.e. the model after sorta thing but still 1ghz), better camera (8mp i think), hdmi out and 720p recording i thinkkk. so evo is a bit better than the hd2!

the_cool said:
off the top of my head, evo has an updated snapdragon (i.e. the model after sorta thing but still 1ghz), better camera (8mp i think), hdmi out and 720p recording i thinkkk. so evo is a bit better than the hd2!
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I don't think evo has an "updated" snapdragon. It just has the CMDA version and not the GSM. So I wouldn't expect any real differences there.
But otherwise, evo should be the updated HD2.
I think hardware vise it ends up like so:
1) EVO
2) Incredible
3) HD2
However, HD2 vs Incredible is a question of screen size. Furthermore, you still have to look at software and carrier. In the end it all comes down to the user and then it's 'to each their own.'

Incredible = Verizon = CDMA = skip!
Not that T-Mo has much of a network...

Why Nexus One Was Leapfrogged by HTC Incredible and Evo 4G

Google Exec Hints at Why Nexus One Was Leapfrogged by HTC Incredible, Evo 4G
http://googlewatch.eweek.com/content/android_vs_iphone/google_exec_hints_at_why_nexus_one_was_leapfrogged_by_htc_incredible_evo_4g.html
"Nexus One isn't a failure so much as a casualty of the success of the next wave of Android smartphones. In a few months, I'm sure we'll be saying the same things about the Incredible and the Evo 4G."
Some people may be bothered with this, but I am happy with my Nexus One. I have no buyers remorse.

I don't view my N1 as obsolete in any way at all and am quite happy with it, it's no worse than the Incredible and all aspects of the device ooze performance

phones are starting to become like computers now. as soon as you buy one a new and better one comes out tomorrow.
and what sucks about is...you're suck with a 2 year contract.

So adding two features equals "leapfrogged" now?
What a load of crap. Who has FroYo now? Yeah, that's what I thought.

I always f*cking hate these posts. I really don't want to hear doom and gloom.

Definitely don't feel any remorse.
My phone is JUST as good as the ones that are coming out NOW.
Yea, 8MP cam + dual flash, but cmon, the pictures are hardly better.
Plus the nexus LOOKS better than both of those.

mortzz said:
So adding two features equals "leapfrogged" now?
What a load of crap. Who has FroYo now? Yeah, that's what I thought.
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SERIOUSLY, people are rediculous....... I stayed with DDR400 until DDR32000 came out because it was a serious step up...... There is nothing that screams "OH MY GOD INNOVATION" about either phone..... My next phone will be when my Nexus no longer has the NAND capacity for the current Android version. I love my Nexus

i'm with mortzz on this one. we have a phone that we can do whatever we want to do to it. i'd MUCH rather have this. i'm on the fence about the evo, but until we can get real system access (yeah, i saw the root article, but i'll believe it when i see it), custom ROM's, etc, i'll stick with the N1. which, btw, is STILL the sexiest phone i've ever seen. girl i'm seeing has the incredible, and...no thanks. not in comparison. it's a nice phone, if you have to have verizon. but, i don't
i do however have to get a sprint device. so...i may have to break contract with tmo and get the evo. otherwise, my school is going to stick me with the freaking touch pro 2 as my pager. lord what a step back that will be. but, at least if i take that, i can keep my N1

Uh. What?
Incredible and Evo won't get FroYo until the end of this year.
How about we come back to this article then so we can point and laugh?

Having root >>>> anything else.
Have any high-end phones since the Nexus achieved full root? I mean cracked bootloader and all. Desire, Legend, new Droids - none have the kind of access we do. Heck, we may have the best fully root-able hardware HTC will ever release.

I dont think the Incredible is any better than the N1, i've played witht he incredible and it feels cheap plastic like and the camera sucks as well. I like the feel of the N1 and like the looks of it. The Evo is a whole different story...

timothydonohue said:
i'm with mortzz on this one. we have a phone that we can do whatever we want to do to it. i'd MUCH rather have this. i'm on the fence about the evo, but until we can get real system access (yeah, i saw the root article, but i'll believe it when i see it), custom ROM's, etc, i'll stick with the N1. which, btw, is STILL the sexiest phone i've ever seen. girl i'm seeing has the incredible, and...no thanks. not in comparison. it's a nice phone, if you have to have verizon. but, i don't
i do however have to get a sprint device. so...i may have to break contract with tmo and get the evo. otherwise, my school is going to stick me with the freaking touch pro 2 as my pager. lord what a step back that will be. but, at least if i take that, i can keep my N1
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They have "root" meaning they have su permissions. AFAIK they don't have write permissions to the partitions, so it's pretty worthless.

Only thing i regret about my Nexus One is that apparently the Desire and Incredible both have touchscreens that fixed the multitouch issues.
Other than that the idea of having basically a google developement phone surpasses any of the other current phones, maybe when we see a decent hardware upgrade, then it will be a different story, but hopefully Google continues to make new Nexus phones.

FISKER_Q said:
Only thing i regret about my Nexus One is that apparently the Desire and Incredible both have touchscreens that fixed the multitouch issues.
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The Desire has the same issues: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVlsRCMltDg

Paul22000 said:
The Desire has the same issues: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVlsRCMltDg
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That is sad. So they have the same MT issue as us, a much smaller dev front, usb-bricking issues while flashing roms, no full solution for being rooted/unlocked...took htc ages to release the kernel...they won't see froyo for ages (officially).
Not much to be ... wait for it... desired

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The Desire has the same issues: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVlsRCMltDg
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How many points does a Galaxy register again? I'm guessing more than 2

In the UK, the N1/Desire is still the King. Desire = UK incredible, but is LITERALLY an N1, and I doubt we will ever see the Evo here [not even a whisp of 4g network].
Even if they did, all the incredible has is the less buggy touch matrix, although this has been nicely 'fixed' in froyo. The evo is a different breed of phone, id never buy it purely based on the fact that i like thinks to fit in my pocket xD
Until I see a snapgradon 1.3+, 1GB RAM, a TRUE 8mp+ cam, froyo, new gen OLED/better, my N1 can sleep with my girl any day.

that makes two of us i love man I LOVE MY NEXUS ONE

the video is @ livestream.com/disrupt/video?clipId=pla_cfa02640-01dd-4ac5-bba9-a2a2b0feee24

haha my friend was a tad jealous of me. he has the Hero and i like his sense ui. but the minute froyo came out, i installed it. i showed him how i can play hulu, i showed him that i got live wallpapers (of course he doesn't have 2.1) and the rest of the froyo goodness. and outta jealousy, he was like "oh well im gonna get a phone thats better than that. im give to get the Evo 4G that has everything the nexus one has and more, including Android 2.2" and i was like "riiiiight. just like the hero was supposed to (officially) get 2.1 right?" and he stood quiet lol idk about all of you guys but i don't really care for 2 led lights. im good with just one. as for 4G, i like to have the freedom to switch between my N1, my BB Curve 8310, and my iPhone 3GS with the simple swap of a SIM card so im great with my Sexy Nexy

[CLOSED/G2/POLL] Thoughts after HTC announcement

So what do people think now? I am personally swayed to buy the Desire Z, but I would like to see what other people think.
Having watched http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ly4C0TXmnlQ, I am pretty impressed by htcsense.com (for the off days that I forget my phone!). The maps app isn't really that smooth...the demo showed it being quite laggy on the Desire HD.
Build quality is great, performance seems smooth, keyboard looks fantastic (no numbers row though =[ ) and the screen looks crisp.
edit: maybe I should have also posted on the Desire HD forum! =P

Bye windows hello android
well im selling my TP2 no more windows for me and putting the rest with my pocket as well for the desire Z. i had doubts but after listening to that guy brag how the phone is... im sold. lol.

i also have a TP2,but i am going to keep it,however i want this phone, i looks sexy and thin, and it has htc sense

blaze7810 said:
well im selling my TP2 no more windows for me and putting the rest with my pocket as well for the desire Z. i had doubts but after listening to that guy brag how the phone is... im sold. lol.
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i've been fed up with windows mobile for about a year now with my HTC Blackstone...it's simply too old and dated an OS. And WinPho & is simply too locked down and not as flexible as I'd like it to be (I'm so sick of those tiles!).
Android looks like the way to me...and *if* I do want to load up my phone with something bloated and pretty, then I will use the HTC Sense bundled in with that phone...which is tons better than the HTC Sense on Windows Mobile.

The Desire Z looked great to me. Perfect size, build quality is on point, gorgeous keyboard, and very fast. I hope the G2 is the same color as the Desire Z, the G2 looks a bit lighter from the renders on T-Mobile's site.
The Desire HD was a bit of a let down to me. First off, it's not HD. A 4.3 inch screen needs a better resolution than 800x480. The colors on the screen look incredibly washed out compared to the Desire Z. Also is it true that the HD only has a 1250mAh battery?!
Can't wait to get the G2. Goodbye Vibrant.

skulk3r said:
i've been fed up with windows mobile for about a year now with my HTC Blackstone...it's simply too old and dated an OS. And WinPho & is simply too locked down and not as flexible as I'd like it to be (I'm so sick of those tiles!).
Android looks like the way to me...and *if* I do want to load up my phone with something bloated and pretty, then I will use the HTC Sense bundled in with that phone...which is tons better than the HTC Sense on Windows Mobile.
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i couldnt agree more. im done with the freezeing and sluggish UI. wp7 is prolly good but its not going to be on my tp2 so i have no reason to keep it. do u know for blackstone if it will be surpported?

skulk3r said:
Having watched http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ly4C0TXmnlQ, I am pretty impressed by htcsense.com (for the off days that I forget my phone!)
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Looks like HTC have pulled that video off their Youtube account. I wonder why

I am eager to see how the MSM7230 800MHz performs compared to the 1GHz Snapdragon that sits in my Nexus currently. But I already know I will be pre-ordering the Desire Z ASAP. I have been waiting for a high-end qwerty Android phone from HTC for so long. Cant believe its finally here, and its *almost* everything I wanted..
I am a bit annoyed at HTC though, because they have a tendency to do this. The Desire HD has a great unibody construction which gives the phone that extreme high-end feel to it, while the Desire Z is left with a combination of aluminium and plastic finish. Why, I don't know. Also wish they would have put some aluminium love on the keyboard as well, but at least the keyboard looks good otherwise.
Those are probably my only concerns regarding the Desire Z (that, and the lame name). I hope the Z mechanism lasts as well though and wont get sluggish over time.
Anyway, its as close to perfect for me as any other phone has ever been so Im picking it up anyways. Just wish HTC would stop holding back when launching new phones. If the MSM7230 800MHz performs well then Im relieved, but if not then I will be mad at HTC for not going for the 1GHz version instead. The MSM7230 has the Adeno 205 GPU, but since Android doesn't support GPU acceleration I guess we wont get much joy from it.
Now Im just waiting for pre-orders here to show up!

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The MSM7230 has the Adeno 205 GPU, but since Android doesn't support GPU acceleration I guess we wont get much joy from it.
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is GPU acceleration something that modders can address? also, I'm curious what the GPU does when its not being utilized for acceleration. isn't the very definition of a GPU that its a graphics accelerator? is it that Android uses it for some things like games and video, but not others, like scrolling and webpage rendering?
also, rumor has it that Android 3.0 will implement graphics acceleration, so for a good portion of the time you have your G2 you should enjoy said acceleration (for the record, yes I believe the G2 will be definitely be upgradeable to Gingerbread)

Untouchab1e said:
I am eager to see how the MSM7230 800MHz performs compared to the 1GHz Snapdragon that sits in my Nexus currently. But I already know I will be pre-ordering the Desire Z ASAP. I have been waiting for a high-end qwerty Android phone from HTC for so long. Cant believe its finally here, and its *almost* everything I wanted..
I am a bit annoyed at HTC though, because they have a tendency to do this. The Desire HD has a great unibody construction which gives the phone that extreme high-end feel to it, while the Desire Z is left with a combination of aluminium and plastic finish. Why, I don't know. Also wish they would have put some aluminium love on the keyboard as well, but at least the keyboard looks good otherwise.
Those are probably my only concerns regarding the Desire Z (that, and the lame name). I hope the Z mechanism lasts as well though and wont get sluggish over time.
Anyway, its as close to perfect for me as any other phone has ever been so Im picking it up anyways. Just wish HTC would stop holding back when launching new phones. If the MSM7230 800MHz performs well then Im relieved, but if not then I will be mad at HTC for not going for the 1GHz version instead. The MSM7230 has the Adeno 205 GPU, but since Android doesn't support GPU acceleration I guess we wont get much joy from it.
Now Im just waiting for pre-orders here to show up!
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Haha same here. This is the qwerty device I've been waiting for!
After I watched the videos I actually got the impression the Desire Z had better build quality than the Desire HD did. I didn't see any brushed aluminum on the HD but it's all over the Z. Reporters even said that most of the Desire Z is made of metal (aluminum) and looks amazing. The HD looked just like the Evo 4G to me, which feels sturdy in hand, but doesn't have that fancy brushed aluminum finish to it.

Arcadia310 said:
Haha same here. This is the qwerty device I've been waiting for!
After I watched the videos I actually got the impression the Desire Z had better build quality than the Desire HD did. I didn't see any brushed aluminum on the HD but it's all over the Z. Reporters even said that most of the Desire Z is made of metal (aluminum) and looks amazing. The HD looked just like the Evo 4G to me, which feels sturdy in hand, but doesn't have that fancy brushed aluminum finish to it.
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Well, regardless of what you think you see, the HD is unibody (meaning its body is made out of one piece of aluminium) and the front is largely made out of glass...
Of course Im basing all this on what Ive heard and seen rather than my personal experience as I havent touched any of these yet. The Desire Z is made out of aluminium and plastic, while the z-hinge is supposedly made out of some sort of metal.. according to a HTC spokesperson, some kind of strong alloy. So at least it seems they have done a good job with that mechanism which is great news, as the Touch Pro and Touch Pro 2 tends to get jerky after a while!

I am basically sold on the G2 at this point. I have been a loyal Verizon customer for over 6 years. A year ago I never would have thought of leaving...but in the last 6 months, I have been running all the Donut/Eclair/Froyo builds on my aging HTC Vogue (KUDOS to DZO, Myn, Incubus26jc and the whole Android Vogue group, their work is amazing) and even an imperfect Donut is better than WinMo. Running their modded ROMS has sold me on stock Android.
Not at all interested in WinPho 7...it looks lame and locked up. I was going to stick with Verizon, but kluging Bing on the Fascinate was the last straw. Any carrier that would do that does not care about Android at all...or their customers. Sense is the only UI I'd consider using...but even Sense is losing steam. Gingerbread is going to blow it away, I think.
At any rate...Tmo seems the only carrier interested in delivering the pure Android experience. They have better plans...and this new phone is going to be amazing, with lots of dev support.
I'm sold...goodbye Verizon.

If you think about it the new sense w/landscape is already developed for Desire Z so it should be a quick port and we would have the new sense and stock. I like to switch back and forth and the keyboard and HSPA+ are very tempting.

My thoughts after the announcement is I want an HTC Desire HD.

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I am basically sold on the G2 at this point. I have been a loyal Verizon customer for over 6 years. A year ago I never would have thought of leaving...but in the last 6 months, I have been running all the Donut/Eclair/Froyo builds on my aging HTC Vogue (KUDOS to DZO, Myn, Incubus26jc and the whole Android Vogue group, their work is amazing) and even an imperfect Donut is better than WinMo. Running their modded ROMS has sold me on stock Android.
Not at all interested in WinPho 7...it looks lame and locked up. I was going to stick with Verizon, but kluging Bing on the Fascinate was the last straw. Any carrier that would do that does not care about Android at all...or their customers. Sense is the only UI I'd consider using...but even Sense is losing steam. Gingerbread is going to blow it away, I think.
At any rate...Tmo seems the only carrier interested in delivering the pure Android experience. They have better plans...and this new phone is going to be amazing, with lots of dev support.
I'm sold...goodbye Verizon.
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Good choice. The G2 is definitely going to bring attention to T-Mobile. I think people are getting tired of all these Touchwiz/Motorblur phones and want Stock android. Like you said it seems that only T-Mobile cares about this. Verizon only cares about money and exploits Android to fill their pockets.

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Good choice. The G2 is definitely going to bring attention to T-Mobile. I think people are getting tired of all these Touchwiz/Motorblur phones and want Stock android. Like you said it seems that only T-Mobile cares about this. Verizon only cares about money and exploits Android to fill their pockets.
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lol well, make no mistake, t-mobile cares just as much about making money as verizon does. they're just trying to carve out a niche in the market for "with google." that's their selling point for the G2. verizon's selling point is their network, which I think we can all agree is the best (in terms of coverage). they don't need to exploit a niche market because they're super mainstream, so they have the luxury of adding even more to their bottom line by making deals with companies like microsoft, i.e. the Bing deal

seems that the Desire Z and HD haven't won over everybody...but it is still quite popular (this is the Desire Z forum afterall)...I was thinking of buying it on the play.com website...but does anyone know if they do free shipping to Australia?

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seems that the Desire Z and HD haven't won over everybody...but it is still quite popular (this is the Desire Z forum afterall)...I was thinking of buying it on the play.com website...but does anyone know if they do free shipping to Australia?
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Sucks for them. Those people won't be happy until the first dual-core 1.5Ghz phone with 400ppi and built in toaster gets announced. Even though they could not use that kind of speed...
Why don't you go on their website and see?

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lol .............. verizon's selling point is their network, which I think we can all agree is the best (in terms of coverage). they don't need to exploit a niche market because they're super mainstream, so they have the luxury of adding even more to their bottom line by making deals with companies like microsoft, i.e. the Bing deal
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don't be to sure of verizon's network being that great - a) the more users on a network, the slower the network and that is the down side to verizon's network - they sell that network too well. But b) as far as coverage, don't underestimate Tmo's network or partnership carriers. Every year i travel with a couple of partner company reps to visit suppliers & clients in upstate Vermont (2 miles south of the canadian border), northwest texas, new mexico & oklahoma. One is with verizon & the other on AT&T (yeah i know AT&T is weak), but whenever we're somewhere rural, the verizon phone drops all bars while my tmo still has 1-2 - leaving Derby, VT and heading south, we're talking a 90 - 100 mile stretch that's pretty desolate going into low foothills - but the last time, my verizon buddy had to use my phone to finish a 20 minute call.
we've gone thru this 3 years running, whether we're in VT, New Mex, Tx or Oklahoma and every year he comments he needs to look at Tmo for his company. While Tmo may not own the entire network, they've been smart in partnering with a lot of the small carriers.
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Can't find an N1, whats the alternative?

It seems that N1 is the most stable of all the handsets I have seen. Another plus is that it gets all the updates first without the bloat.
Unfortunately it isn't publicly sold anymore so whats the next best thing?
I am on AT&T.

It is sold in the developer section of Google's android site. But it's for T-Mobile. I guess for at&t it would be the Samsung galaxy s phone.

What about HTC desire...?
i've seen some websites where they hint that it may include 850Mhz band for UMTS... it seems there is a provider either in Austria or Italy using these frequencies....

I am actually getting two androids.
One is the Galaxy S once the dust clears on froyo and hardware issues.
I also wanted an N1 like device for its stability and ROM updates. HTC Desire seems like the closest alternative but do I still have to wait on HTC to release their custom brewed ROMs? There also seems to be some minor hardware differences that make the N1 better.

Either that or you still have to wait on OpenDesire team to release adapted Nexus firmware for Desire when it comes out. The latter one takes much less time.

They are on craislist and ebay, I own 2 myself on Tmobile both purchased from said locations.

Craigslist will be better. I did locally. Att version cost more on eBay. Something about not available through Google bullchit. They will try to rip you off. After I bought the iPhone 4 and sold to buy my n1. I called every n1 owner to find out I they had att version. Pay much less too. For a one month old unit. Can't beat that. And don't regret it. But now alot of new phones coming soon. I hear that g2 is going to available through bell Canada. U could wait for that.
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garyHal said:
I also wanted an N1 like device for its stability and ROM updates. HTC Desire seems like the closest alternative but do I still have to wait on HTC to release their custom brewed ROMs? There also seems to be some minor hardware differences that make the N1 better.
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The Desire was released later than N1 and it has better multi-touch support (out of box), More RAM, Enabled FM transmitter etc- which i think makes Desire a better device on specs! But on software updates- N1 still beats all android sets though it aint that hard to keep Desire up-to-date aswel i guess!
Just laying down the records- i like my N1 better as far as time goes- on looks n updates.. but would love to have a Desire 'if i can have it for free i.e'
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The Desire and the N1 have identical hardware, including RAM.

Rusty! said:
The Desire and the N1 have identical hardware, including RAM.
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Yeah they've identical but not quite the same-
1. Desire has New touch sensor (Better multi-touch- nexus has problem distinguishing between fingers at time)
2. More RAm- 576 MB as opposed to N1's 512
3. Newer Bluetooth- 2.1+ vs N1's 2.0+ EDR
4. Desire is Dual-band- N1 is Tri-band
5. N1 has Noise-Cancellation- Desire Doesn't
6. Desire has better power-management than N1 (Tests on other sites)
7. N1 is Google-Dev Phone so will get faster updates while HTC ofcourse will play catch-up!
Umm That's as much as i could gather up- correct me if i'm wrong
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Yeah they've identical but not quite the same-
1. Desire has New touch sensor (Better multi-touch- nexus has problem distinguishing between fingers at time)
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doesn't the Desire also use the Clearpad 2000? If yes then it's the same as the N1.

@lukesky: sorry for my mistake- yes the desire has the same sensor as nexus and same multi-touch problem as nexus aswel.. Synaptics sensor wasn't originally made for multi-touch and thus the problem!
New phones seem to use Atmel MaxTouch sensor which is made for multi-touch and can track upto 16 points and is faster/responsive than the Synaptics!
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I am selling one on ebay right now. Feel free to check it out.

lots of N1's on ebay, ATT's are not very common but usually dont go for much more than T-mobile 3G ones. i've seen used ones in the past 2-3 weeks go for anywhere from 350-450
i got mine off craigslist locally for 300, it was a steal of a deal, most people in my area are asking the same as what they go for on e-bay 350-450+ once again though ATT's are few and far between but they are out there.

N2 is on the way.
N2 is on the way.
Sent from my Nexus One using XDA App

SO with so many NexusOne owners wanting the Desire ROM, I wonder if there are as many or more, Desire owners wanting the NexusOne ROM?!
Personally, I only reaaallllyy dislike having a physical trackball on my Nexus.
It kind of detracts from its sleekness. Otherwise, I LOVE IT!

There is no replacement for the best Android device made. Maybe if the Nexus Two is a reality that would be a great alternative but never a replacement. I am a very proud owner of the Nexus One with all the extras, desk top dock which I run my music thru to my boss stereo system and it is killer. I bought the G2 because it looked like the Nexus One's brother, great phone but not a replacement, there is only one Nexus One, get one if you can. I have had more phones then carter has pills and the Nexus One rules.

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It seems that N1 is the most stable of all the handsets I have seen. Another plus is that it gets all the updates first without the bloat.
Unfortunately it isn't publicly sold anymore so whats the next best thing?
I am on AT&T.
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Dude!>!?!?!? Craigslist has them!!! Good deals!!

I have the N1 and I bought the Desire for my wife. After playing with hers I've seen it to be about the same as far as usage and functionality. The screen however is much better than my N1. I had to get her the A183 model for use on ATT.
Btw the new CM6.1 candidate build has enabled FM radio for N1. No longer just a feature for the Desire .
Sent from my Nexus One on CM6.1

Htc sensation is promising
Sony Ericsson's Xperia Arc isn't bad either

Htc Hero to....Iphone 4 or Desire Z??

Hiya, im going to be replacing my htc hero with a new phone pretty soon, and im stuck in-between two phones, the htc desire z and the iphone 4.... heeeelp im not sure which one to buy, i like the resale value of the iphone and iv had an iphone before my htc hero, but then again, android is growing and it has a keyboard which im interested in.
so anybody got any suggestions? thank you

I'm going to go for a Desire Z

+1 on Desire Z
Btw, why are you replacing your Hero? On a plan or wanting specific features?

I dont think any1 on this forum would day iP4
+1 Desire Z

see my parents are on a plan, and they don't care about their phones, so my brother and i take them
of course we still pay for the phone itself, so i switch the sim cards, from a bill pay (monthly plan) to pay as you go (top up by €20 credit whenever i need it and buy more when it runs out) so i am very lucky, and my dads plan is coming up to renewal so i might aswell buy the Z, rather than him use it up on a really cheap phone when i could get the Z for €120
so i could get the desire Z or iphone.
The hero is getting old now, especially compared to the newer generation phones such as the desire Z itself.

Out of the two, desire z; although I prefer the desire hd. That said I've just upgraded to the Samsung Omnia 7.
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Desire Z
Just ordered mine tonight
Got an amazing deal, should be here on tuesday

yeah im liking it too, the screens amazing on the iphone, but i dunno, is the loose hinge a fault or just something that comes with the phone because thers a few that dont have the problem

Well I recently upgraded to the desire Z due to contract renewal, (I never even considered the ip4) but I was a bit iffy on getting the Desire Z, as I never thought I'd use the keyboard, but it was the most appealing phone out at the time so went for it anyway. Needless to say I love it, and I don't think I'll ever go back to a keyboardless phone again! No matter how good an onscreen keyboard may be, I don't think it could ever replace a real one (And that's only after a month of having the phone!) It looks amazing, much better than the now generic looking ip4, and more classy than the samasung phones. Build quality is good too, feels very solid. The loose hinge (I wouldn't call it loose) isn't a problem, in fact if you never heard all the reports, I doubt you would have known about it, as it's just when you hold it in really weird ways that you'll notice it, and to me it felels very snappy when I open or close it, so imo, nothing to worry about there. As for the screen, I wouldn't worry about the ip4s 'super amazing magical' display, put it next to the hero and it looks like you've just upgraded from a tube tv, to a HD one! And I thought the Hero had a decent screen xD And next to the ip4, you barely notice the difference, imo the Galaxy S phones have the more impressive screen (just 4'' is too big for my liking). Other than that, great phone all round, and you'll have plenty to play around with the new HTC sense, and all the custom roms. So I'd say go with the Z.

Bro htc hero runs smooth with root. If you just want to change hardware for newer phones just say that. To me htc hero is good device, iPhone 4 sucks..
I have three android devices if i didnt have Motorola Droid & HTC Hero i would say desire Z.
But Droid does more then Htc desire Z minus the memory internal storage problem, that can be solve by having A2SD partitioned .
But go with android.... I hate apple products.
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yeah im liking it too, the screens amazing on the iphone, but i dunno, is the loose hinge a fault or just something that comes with the phone because thers a few that dont have the problem
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I went from a Hero to a DZ,.... specifically for the h/w keyboard,... my other half has a desire, if I didn't want the keyboard I think I would be happy with that rather than the IP4 which my pal has. Definitely HTC with Android all the way baby.
Even taking into consideration HTCs dismal update history with my Hero, it is a non issue with the support on XDA.

Also, just a thought guys, but 'I hate Apple products' isn't very helpful to someone deciding on a new phone. I admit I'm not a fan either (who on xda is?!) But at least back it up with reasons as to why.

I am going to buy a Desire HD.

Don't go for the iPhone 4. The desire range is much better, and in any case the iPhone 5 will be out in a few months...

In spite of owning a Hero and totally bumming android I never really went down the "eww apple" route. Mainly because i'd had no experience of apple's products.
For xmas i was gifted an iPod touch 4G. Its smooth as hell. The quality and range of games is far superior to android based phones too, at least in my experience. It really depends what you want the phone for. I'm sure the Desire Z is really nice, but there's no denying the iPhone is too.
I honestly don't know which way i'd go. Games - iPhone. Keyboard - DZ. Could it be that simple?

I have a Hero at the mo but won't be getting another HTC device. Galaxy S II or LG Black for me
iPhone's are quality, but the lack of flexibility of what you can do with them puts me off.

My next device is an Android with a hardware keyboard. I think the Motorola Milestone (2).
Never again a phone with a on-screen-keyboard!
So, if I were you: The Desire Z

The next phone after a HTC Hero should be a Desire HD, however that's been out since November and is old hat. I got the HTC Hero because it was the first Android phone in the UK so I'm waiting for the LG Optimus p920 3D (hopefully a UK April launch) as it'll be the new tech on the market.

The iPhone is quality, but the problem with it, called iTunes drags this phone down. You are so locked...too much.
The next phone for me is either an HTC dual core or the LG Optimus with the Tegra2 chip (dual core). Be aware that the black edition is single core.
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Hey u can buy a I-Touch instead , And i will choose Desire HD / Z (I love DHD , great graphics! , powerfull processing)