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EPIC or EVO?

This might help some to decide. I am one of them. I am definitely moving to Sprint for the low cost plus the 4G service. This will also be my first smart phone. My options are limited to EVO and EPIC and I am sure there are many out there l...ike me. I just created a list for myself. Have not decided anything yet though. ...This again is based on my observation of both these phones.
UI: EVO
Camera Picture Quality: EVO
Widgets: EVO
Screen Size: EVO
Front Cam: EVO
HDMI: EVO
Kick Stand: EVO
Size: EVO
FM: EVO
HotSpot: EVO
Price: EVO
OS: EVO (2.2)
Display: EPIC
Video Capture: EPIC (EVO may be better with 2.2 update)
HW Keyboard: EPIC
Games: EPIC
Processor::
For Day to Day Use: EVO (Arguable-Hummingbird is fast but for day to day it is hardly noticeable. Sense UI adds more to this than the processor)
For Games: EPIC
DLNA::
EPIC: Inbuilt
EVO: 3rd Party - iMediaShare (google it)
HDMI::
EVO: InBuilt
EPIC: miniUSB to HDMI cable (not confirmed yet)
Battery Life: Not sure (may be EPIC)

coolkams03 said:
Processor::
For Day to Day Use: EVO (Arguable-Hummingbird is fast but for day to day it is hardly noticeable. Sense UI adds more to this than the processor)
For Games: EPIC
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EVO? For day to day use? How do you figure? Show me anything that performs better on the EVO than the Epic. And don't you dare show me benchmarks.
Home screens - Epic (2.1) faster than EVO (2.2)
Browser - faster on the Epic (panning and zooming)
Games - faster on the Epic
From what I've seen of the browser on the Epic, it's faster than my EVO with CM6.
Both phones have a front cam.... I wouldn't really say the EVO's is better than the Epic's. I think they're exactly the same.
The rest is really a matter of preference though. I'll be getting the Epic.

hydralisk said:
EVO? For day to day use? How do you figure? Show me anything that performs better on the EVO than the Epic. And don't you dare show me benchmarks.
Home screens - Epic (2.1) faster than EVO (2.2)
Browser - faster on the Epic (panning and zooming)
Games - faster on the Epic
From what I've seen of the browser on the Epic, it's faster than my EVO with CM6.
Both phones have a front cam.... I wouldn't really say the EVO's is better than the Epic's. I think they're exactly the same.
The rest is really a matter of preference though. I'll be getting the Epic.
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If by exactly the same you mean one is VGA (640x480) and the other is SXGA (1280x1024) then yes they are exactly the same.
Regarding the processor, I never notice any lag on my EVO, I think that is what he means. Also something I note, that is a personal preference, I like HTC devices better than Samsung.

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coolkams03 said:
This might help some to decide. I am one of them. I am definitely moving to Sprint for the low cost plus the 4G service. This will also be my first smart phone. My options are limited to EVO and EPIC and I am sure there are many out there l...ike me. I just created a list for myself. Have not decided anything yet though. ...This again is based on my observation of both these phones.
UI: EVO If you are used to Sense UI but those not used to it may not feel that way
Camera Picture Quality: EVO ahm..thats flat wrong..the 5mp on the Epic is A LOT better then the 8mp on the EVO...
Widgets: EVO Most widgets belong neither to senseui nor touchwiz but standard android..and these work on both
Screen Size: EVO This is again preference..for some people 4.3 is too big..but then again for some 4 is too big
Front Cam: EVO This makes no difference..if your video calling to another cell phone you would see 0 difference between VGA and 1.3mp
HDMI: EVO There is an HDMI on the Epic via the microusb..and this should go to the Epic just cause it doesn't cause an 30FPS limit
Kick Stand: EVO ok...
Size: EVO Ahm..why mention this twice?
FM: EVO The Epic should have FM but its probably disabled..that said did the EVO FM even work properly?
HotSpot: EVO They both do hotspot
Price: EVO ok...
OS: EVO (2.2) Epic will most likely get Froyo in 30 days
Display: EPIC
Video Capture: EPIC (EVO may be better with 2.2 update)
HW Keyboard: EPIC
Games: EPIC
Processor::
For Day to Day Use: EVO (Arguable-Hummingbird is fast but for day to day it is hardly noticeable. Sense UI adds more to this than the processor) so why are you giving this to the EVO? what does UI have to do with the processor? I hope you aren't serious here...
For Games: EPIC
DLNA::
EPIC: Inbuilt
EVO: 3rd Party - iMediaShare (google it)
HDMI::
EVO: InBuilt
EPIC: miniUSB to HDMI cable (not confirmed yet) its microusb and it is confirmed
Battery Life: Not sure (may be EPIC)
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Now things you are missing is Epic has bluetooth 3.0, hardware video decode with support for divx/xvid, 6 axis g-sensor...you also forgot to mention that Epic would play flash better...

gTen said:
Now things you are missing is Epic has bluetooth 3.0, hardware video decode with support for divx/xvid, 6 axis g-sensor...you also forgot to mention that Epic would play flash better...
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He didnt Forget anything. He's knows damn well how much better the Epic is over Evo. He's just being a fanboy coz he's stuck with what he has and trying to convince himself that what he has is ''better''. My brother did that when he was stuck with his nexus. Cant you ppl be happy that they are both on sprint...

I am not a fanboy. As I said in my post above, this will be my first smartphone. I appreciate the arguments made. It will help me choose the better device. I have already reserved my EPIC. It is just that I am still in doubt which I would prefer. Thanks again for the replies.

Btw the 5 megaoixel camera in the epic takes way better pictures and records better video than the 8 megapixel camera. Also the hummingbird processor uses less battery thatn the snapdragon processor so day to day use, epic wins
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Having messed with both (but owning an Evo) I'll stick with my current phone. The screen is gorgeous, and the camera is actually better than the Evo's. On the other hand, the screen is less responsive than the Evo's, especially the capacitive buttons at the bottom, and the build quality is just...lacking. It feels plastic-y, whereas the Evo has a slightly heavier and sturdier feel to it. Also, from a personal aesthetics stand point, Sense is infinitely more attractive than TouchWiz, and more useful to boot, though that's more opinion than anything.
Either way you'll be getting a good phone, but as for me, I'll stick with my Evo
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keebler021 said:
Having messed with both (but owning an Evo) I'll stick with my current phone. The screen is gorgeous, and the camera is actually better than the Evo's. On the other hand, the screen is less responsive than the Evo's, especially the capacitive buttons at the bottom, and the build quality is just...lacking. It feels plastic-y, whereas the Evo has a slightly heavier and sturdier feel to it. Also, from a personal aesthetics stand point, Sense is infinitely more attractive than TouchWiz, and more useful to boot, though that's more opinion than anything.
Either way you'll be getting a good phone, but as for me, I'll stick with my Evo
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Ahm...that shouldn't be..the touch sensor in the screen is the same on the EVO and the EPIC..so if you actually tried both and there was a responsiveness issue then it must be a software thing...though this is the first time I'm hearing about the buttons..the reviews said that the buttons were much better then on the vibrant and captivate and responded instantly...
And lastly build quality is better on the Epic then the EVO 100%..if you take the EVO apart there are a lot of empty space and extra plastic for no reason..take apart a galaxy S phone and nothing is wasted inside...I read in another forum its so good that they dropped their phone in a puddle of water for an hour and no water got through to the device so it turned on fine (don't try it at home though)..it feels "plastic-y" because they made it like that on purpose so that its very light..which it is..either way once you put a case on it, that will change either way..

I have an evo.
You absolutely have to root and install a custom rom if you want high performance. In fact the Epic blows the stock evo's benchmarks out of the water. Once the Epic gets froyo it won't even be close.
Evo camera is a joke.
FPS cap anyone? I'm so tired of ****ing with evo switch and trying to find the optimal performance.
Different hardware? Some evo's can see 2 multi touch points, some 5, some 3... HTC threw together whatever hand me down hardware they had left in stock. Different screens, different sensors etc..

hydralisk said:
EVO? For day to day use? How do you figure? Show me anything that performs better on the EVO than the Epic. And don't you dare show me benchmarks.
Home screens - Epic (2.1) faster than EVO (2.2)
Browser - faster on the Epic (panning and zooming)
Games - faster on the Epic
From what I've seen of the browser on the Epic, it's faster than my EVO with CM6.
Both phones have a front cam.... I wouldn't really say the EVO's is better than the Epic's. I think they're exactly the same.
The rest is really a matter of preference though. I'll be getting the Epic.
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I will take you up on that. Have stovk captivate and evo right here. Evo with better benchmarks and performs better in day to day use. will post video in a few.

shep211 said:
I will take you up on that. Have stovk captivate and evo right here. Evo with better benchmarks and performs better in day to day use. will post video in a few.
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Everyone knows the captivate has those hiccups here and there..but from what reviewers said those have been fixed...even those that hated Touchwiz UI after trying it on the Epic said its like a completely different..they didnt believe it so much they double checked their captivates to make sure they aren't going senile...either way when people walk into a Sprint store on the 31st both should be there side by side to test on...

shep211 said:
I will take you up on that. Have stovk captivate and evo right here. Evo with better benchmarks and performs better in day to day use. will post video in a few.
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I'm sorry. I believe I said the Epic, not the captivate. And I also said I don't care about benchmarks. I want to see a video showing the EVO browser performing better than the Epic's. Or Sense being smoother than TW. Or Launcher Pro faster on the EVO than the EPIC. Or ANY game running better on the EVO.
If you can't show me any of those, I don't care.

hydralisk said:
I'm sorry. I believe I said the Epic, not the captivate. And I also said I don't care about benchmarks. I want to see a video showing the EVO browser performing better than the Epic's. Or Sense being smoother than TW. Or Launcher Pro faster on the EVO than the EPIC. Or ANY game running better on the EVO.
If you can't show me any of those, I don't care.
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I said I would post both benchmarks and videos of apps/browser but the captivate wins 0. You know epic/captivate have same cpu, gpu and file system and the benchmark the same right? Yes touch wiz may be faster due to 2.5 version but I bet they load apps around the same time since there benchmarks are the same. If the file system was working right it would have a higher score then the droid x for sure since the cpu & gpu are faster. We have no proof yet the epics faster in day to day use then any other galaxy s phone. I know you dont like benchmarks but they show correct results when testing speed opening apps vs benchmark score.
stock captiavte
1.2 ghz Captivate with lag fix(captiavte on top with no i\o test on the left)
Evo vs stock captivate
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKsAUR61ByM
Evo vs 1.2 ghz Captivate with I9000 rom and fastest ext 2 internal partition lag fix(should be faster then any stock sgs)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ji49qFNxC4c

shep211 said:
I said I would post both benchmarks and videos of apps/browser but the captivate wins 0. You know epic/captivate have same cpu, gpu and file system and the benchmark the same right? Yes touch wiz may be faster due to 2.5 version but I bet they load apps around the same time since there benchmarks are the same. If the file system was working right it would have a higher score then the droid x for sure since the cpu & gpu are faster. We have no proof yet the epics faster in day to day use then any other galaxy s phone. I know you dont like benchmarks but they show correct results when testing speed opening apps vs benchmark score.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKsAUR61ByM
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On the benchmark the EVO is running Android 2.2 right? and the captivate is running 2.1 and not running lag fix?
And as for the video..the speed of the launching of apps was pretty much the same on the captivate and evo :/

shep211 said:
I said I would post both benchmarks and videos of apps/browser but the captivate wins 0. You know epic/captivate have same cpu, gpu and file system and the benchmark the same right? Yes touch wiz may be faster due to 2.5 version but I bet they load apps around the same time since there benchmarks are the same. If the file system was working right it would have a higher score then the droid x for sure since the cpu & gpu are faster. We have no proof yet the epics faster in day to day use then any other galaxy s phone. I know you dont like benchmarks but they show correct results when testing speed opening apps vs benchmark score.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKsAUR61ByM
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Just because it doesn't beat the droid on quadrant doesn't mean that's there's something wrong with the file system. The cpu and gpu part of the benchmark beat the droids x and the io part beats the evo and nexus one on 2.1. So basically youre saying that there's something wrong with every phone because none of them beat the droid x on the io benchmark. The io part of the quadrant benchmark is severely flawed
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aim1126 said:
Just because it doesn't beat the droid on quadrant doesn't mean that's there's something wrong with the file system. The cpu and gpu part of the benchmark beat the droids x and the io part beats the evo and nexus one on 2.1. So basically youre saying that there's something wrong with every phone because none of them beat the droid x on the io benchmark. The io part of the quadrant benchmark is severely flawed
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Droid x benchmarks and performs faster. Why would the sgs be slower with faster cpu & gpu? Any sgs should kill the droid in benchmarks and day to day use.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIQJ-3a96oM

gTen said:
On the benchmark the EVO is running Android 2.2 right? and the captivate is running 2.1 and not running lag fix?
And as for the video..the speed of the launching of apps was pretty much the same on the captivate and evo :/
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I was thinking of retesting with lag fix but the captivate will be running faster then the epic so it really wouldn't be a fair test. Since it benchmarks the same as the captivate stock rom I thought that would be a good test. The epic may be a little faster stock then the captivate but it cant be that much more since they benchmark the same. I can see a big difference in launching apps. Look at the browser test. The captivate is loading mobile version secs behind the evo running full version with flash. The camera, market & gallery is secs behind as well.

shep211 said:
Droid x benchmarks and performs faster. Why would the sgs be slower with faster cpu & gpu? Any sgs should kill the droid in benchmarks and day to day use.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIQJ-3a96oM
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The droid x benchmarks faster only on the io test. It actual benchmarks fairly poorly in the 3d test. The epic benchmarks faster in the io part than any other phone besides the droid x. Quadrant is flawed. Even cyanogen proved it
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shep211 said:
I was thinking of retesting with lag fix but the captivate will be running faster then the epic so it really wouldn't be a fair test. Since it benchmarks the same as the captivate stock rom I thought that would be a good test. The epic may be a little faster stock then the captivate but it cant be that much more since they benchmark the same. I can see a big difference in launching apps. Look at the browser test. The captivate is loading mobile version secs behind the evo running full version with flash. The camera, market & gallery is secs behind as well.
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It's been stated that the Epic does not have the lag problem. The delay you're seeing in apps loading (and closing from what I could see in the video) were not seen in the Epic videos. Everything loaded instantly. The captivate without the lag fix is obviously using the flawed file system that slows things down. A lot.
Again, you're using benchmarks to show every day use when people don't use benchmarks every day. We also don't have the Epic to show next to an EVO, so that video doesn't belong in this thread. They've had more time to tweak\fix the Epic and that has shown in its videos. Hopefully this is the last time we'll see a captivate\vibrant video in these forums.

Why is everyone excited over the G2 if the galaxy s is faster and has a larger screen

I really don't understand the fervor and I don't mean to be a jerk. Why is it such a big deal?
I have a friend who's even held out for the g2 over the vibrant.

Probably because T-Mobile is marketing the G2 more since it has the T-Mobile brand. Kind of like what Verizon does to "Droid" It's all marketing.

im not excited. sure it will be a great phone. but i honestly think it's ugly. i can appreciate the hw keyboard though.

Some people are excited because it comes with Android 2.2 and given Samsung's past, we could be waiting a while for 2.2.

KerryG said:
Some people are excited because it comes with Android 2.2 and given Samsung's past, we could be waiting a while for 2.2.
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You don't seem very optimistic at all. Samsung UK have confirmed Android 2.2 for UK but nothing for U.S., hoping for the same result in the U.S. or at least close to it.

It utilizes HSPA+ which is only really useful if it's deployed in your area.

The marketing angle (mentioned above) is certainly part of it. Also, it's the named-successor to the G1 - that's special for lots of folks. Thats the highlight for me, really. If the Galaxy S lineup hadn't gotten the XDA section and CM roadmap (legitimized the platform, in my eyes) I might be waiting for a G2 also. Now that I've got my Vibrant, though ... No way could I be happy with a smaller screen and lesser CPU/GPU. I love my Vibrant. Some folks really love the thought of a "official" Google phone though. To each their own. Anyway, if the Vibrant starts pissing me off 6 months from now, G2 means I have something else to try out instead.

I LOVE my Vibrant but I will most likely get a G2, mainly because of the keyboard, the success and continued support the G1 still gets from the XDA community.
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Keyboard isn't even a necessity for me. 4" Screen + Virtual Keyboard (or Swype) works more than fine for me. I definitely do think T-Mobile will spend most of their money towards marketing the G2 and saying it runs at 4G speeds (HSPA+)

just because the cpu has a slower max speed doesnt necessarily mean the phone will run slower. plus the vibrant has touchwiz bogging it down a little. the g2 is vanilla android 2.2. I'm excited for it.
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jaker.the.skater said:
just because the cpu has a slower max speed doesnt necessarily mean the phone will run slower. plus the vibrant has touchwiz bogging it down a little. the g2 is vanilla android 2.2. I'm excited for it.
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Eugene released a package to remove TouchWiz. Get your facts straight.
Also, once CM6 gets released.. everything will be good again.

If the g2 has a working GPS and compass I'd consider it a better phone than the vibrant on that alone. I could care less about the qwerty keyboard but g2 will be shipping with swype so that's good. Hspa+ is a major leap for tmo where the vibrant won't even be able to compare. G2 is basically the next gen dev phone for Android. That holds a lot of weight for many.

zephiK said:
Eugene released a package to remove TouchWiz. Get your facts straight.
Also, once CM6 gets released.. everything will be good again.
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I know... I have hybrid r3 currently installed. I'm just saying it will be fast without having to remove excess stuff.
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Physical keyboard, HSPA+, stock android 2.2 (I think I read that they added 4 more homescreens though). Also, given the fact that it's the G1's successor, it'll be great for the mod/hack community
It sucks I bought my vibrant over a month ago, I would've gladly returned it for a G2

I'm still not real sure if I want to give up my Vibrant for the G2. I really don't think the G2 will just blow the Vibrant out of the water or make it obsolete. It has a slower processor, smaller screen, smaller battery, and is thicker. What I didn't like about my G1 and Cliq was the thickness. When I got swipe on the G1, I stopped using the physical keyboard and I wouldn't be using it if the Vibrant had one either.
It does have a camera flash, 2.2, and HSPA+ and potentially more support/development, but nothing else about it is appealing. The trackpad is neat, but I feel like too much real estate is being wasted below the screen on the G2, making it longer than it should be. I've been getting along just fine without a trackball/pad for a few weeks now.
I wish there was just a little more known about the hardware and an exact release date. I don't think I could lie with my old Tmobile Dash for more than another week if I sent my Vibrant back.

it's all about that scorpion processor, its the first of its kind on a phone, and although it is clocked lower than the current superphones (g2 running at 800mhz instead of 1ghz). it is a 45nm processor rather than a 65nm like snapdragon and other 1ghz, meaning it'll consume less battery power and be more efficient most likely beating the current 1ghz in speed and performance.
especially since its running stock froyo..theres also the hspa+ speeds, and for some ppl the physical keyboard is a plus. This phone will most likely take the crown as the fastest android phone...but..I still think it looks ugly and too plain :/

I wouldnt get too excited till it actually comes out. Then we'll know for sure on everything. All this regret or this will be better is just whatevers till the g2 is actually out
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jaker.the.skater said:
just because the cpu has a slower max speed doesnt necessarily mean the phone will run slower. plus the vibrant has touchwiz bogging it down a little. the g2 is vanilla android 2.2. I'm excited for it.
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Exactly!
The processor in the G2 is an 800MHz Scorpion processor, which benchmarks at around the same performance level as the 1GHz Hummingbird processor in the Vibrant and is a bit more efficient on battery power. It's a huge improvement over the Snapdragon processors, about 4 times the speed at comparable clockspeeds.

jaker.the.skater said:
I know... I have hybrid r3 currently installed. I'm just saying it will be fast without having to remove excess stuff.
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even if you had a G2 running Vanilla i'm guessing that it wouldn't be running "STOCK" you would mod it like the majority of us here on XDA. That is the fun of it. Removing **** that we don't want and adding stuff that we do. So for us it really doesn't matter at the end of the day that the G2 will be running Vanilla. SO WHAT. Our vibrant will have AOSP and CM6.1 soon enough Just sayin.

Well, the G2 will awesome, I only have a problem with it:
It's release will severly slow down development on the Vibrant. :/ I've only had my Vibrant 3 weeks so if development doesnt pick up soon ill trade it in for a G2.

So I tested out a G2 today...

This phone is freakin fast! I know it's running froyo, but this beast got 29 mflops without any mods at all! Everything I did with it was instant response..no pause for anything at all and it was only on edge. When I got my vibrant, the G2 was still a month away. Anyone think the Vibrant will get anywhere near those numbers when it goes to Froyo. (I'm a benchmark whore, so this is really bugging me )
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Benchmarks are like horsepower, it is only as good as what you can use and anything more is just tire smoke and noise.... see lotus vs viper...

The vibrant doesn't support the neon instruction set, so no. Even when froyo comes out it will not reach those numbers.
On the other hand we have the best gpu on a phone yet.
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g1ftmfw said:
Benchmarks are like horsepower, it is only as good as what you can use and anything more is just tire smoke and noise.... see lotus vs viper...
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perfect example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uG9Afp6fy0

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perfect example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uG9Afp6fy0
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That was freakin' hilarious...point proven. Btw...never even heard of the neon instruction set. Having the best gpu is only as good as the games it plays...which is not very good right now. I hope some big name developers get working on it.
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My wife just got her g2 and honestly is very laggy compare to my vibrant and am still running stock with no lag fixes I was very surprise
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The thing is, the Vibrant is fast enough to handle any current iteration of Android. I'm using Bionix 1.8 overclocked, and I don't see what any additional speed would do for me. Faster benchmarks would be nice, but it's irrelevant to day to day use.

briankao1992 said:
perfect example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uG9Afp6fy0
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my point exactly... 8x the power and 1/3 the weight only 11 mph faster... lol

briankao1992 said:
perfect example:
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entertaining video

oldarney said:
The vibrant doesn't support the neon instruction set, so no. Even when froyo comes out it will not reach those numbers.
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really ? I thought it did because it can play all those HD videos even without converting

Before the Nexus One got Froyo, it was in the ballpark of 7 MFLOPS. Once the update rolled out, we began to see Linpack scores in the realm of 45 MFLOPS. In its stock form, a Samsung Vibrant gets about 8 MFLOPS. I have no doubt in a dramatic increase for this number once we get Froyo (expecially if you like to use custom kernals and whatnot).

The Thing About That Is Froyo Is Pretty Much Designed For Snapdragon Processors, The Hummingbird Processor Is Completely Different It Works, But It's Not Optimized For It
At Least Thats What I've Heard

i would like to see how our phones would run with:
Froyo+custom rom which includes: modified kernel, lagfix

ryan562 said:
i would like to see how our phones would run with:
Froyo+custom rom which includes: modified kernel, lagfix
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I thought froyo was supposed to get rid of the lag therefore we wouldn't need a lag fix.

i had the evo at first. was getting about 6 or 7 mflops per second on 2.1. they dropped froyo, and i bumped up to about 38 or 39. i got the g2 on october 3rd from the shack. loved the phone. yes, fast straight out of the box. was getting about 29 to 30 with it, but with its weight, the loose hinge, the crap htc pulled with making it supposedly, unrootable, and a few other issues, i took it back after a week, and went back to the vibrant. there are a few issues with its lag, but i just install a different launcher, take away the animation settings, and my vibe feels like one of the other two phones i mentioned. just my .02.

Erickomen27 said:
The Thing About That Is Froyo Is Pretty Much Designed For Snapdragon Processors, The Hummingbird Processor Is Completely Different It Works, But It's Not Optimized For It
At Least Thats What I've Heard
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Actually, it has nothing to do with snapdragon, and everything to do with the optimisation they did to the whole OS. FroYo brings little to the table feature wise, but they did a lot of work with optimisation of the core OS.
Also, Can You Not Capitalise Every Word. It Looks Ugly, Makes It Hard To Read, And Isn't Proper Grammar.

ryan562 said:
i would like to see how our phones would run with:
Froyo+custom rom which includes: modified kernel, lagfix
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I'd be scared. I think my vibrant would be more vibrant than me.
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Vibrant on balance still the best
the others are right Benchmarks are for wow factor really.
A couple of examples ........... My friend's compter have a I7 980 chip in their computer and Wow... it benches 20% faster than My AMD 1090 But........ when actually using the computers doing the same real life tasks, mine is way faster because all the components are better balanced. That said i have 32 gigs of ram in my desktop and only have two programs that recognize that much ram........ so i will have to wait 4 years for software to catch up......NOW that extra ram is a waste...right now but it does wow the benchmark on the ram.
Bottom line the glitz (benchmarks) are just that........ Glitz...... Love the vibrant Have not seen a better phone to date

If your looking for good games to take advantage of the gpu, try the gameloft website. Sandstorm is one I'm currently pounding.
There's currently a sort of war between gameloft and the android market.
My wifi's name is airorangex.
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The G2 is not just fast in benchmarks. It just smokes the Vibrant. Everything is super fast. Whenever I install multiple apps from the Market, the Vibrant just hangs after 2-3. And during the installation stage. After I got the G2, I used App Brain to set up all the Apps on my Vibrant on to the G2. It kept on installing the apps one after another without breaking into a sweat. There is practically no lag at all on the phone. It's a very impressive phone.
Now having said that, like the other poster, I'll be returning the G2 for the same reasons. After getting used to the Vibrant, the weight is too heavy. The hinge is most definitely a problem. Lying on the bed with the phone in your hand, it keeps closing. And HTC's attempt to prevent rooting pissed me off. But Samsung is pissing me off as well with their lack of communication and delay in getting Froyo out. Sadly the dev community is not making as much progress as I had hoped with the world wide launch of the Galaxy S. I might take a look at the G2 again in a couple of months if the mod situation does not improve and Samsung continues to drag its feet.

Vibrant to G2?

i have the vibrant and its rooted and i use it as my daily internet tether, its fast and i donwload stuff,but i have been getting a feeling to trade it for a tmobile G2, should i guys, what do you guys think?

One, good luck, as the G2 is way more in demand than a Vibrant (from gleaning the Marketplace),
and Two;
I have owned both. I prefer the vibrant. Going from a vibrant, the G2 screen looks abit washed out. Keyboard is nice though.

witeboy07 said:
i have the vibrant and its rooted and i use it as my daily internet tether, its fast and i donwload stuff,but i have been getting a feeling to trade it for a tmobile G2, should i guys, what do you guys think?
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If a heavier feel, smaller non SAMOLED screen, higher benchmark scores, physical keyboard (and possible not so reliable hinges that come with it) are the thing for you, go ahead.
At least CM is very proficient with HTC devices, so you will get one of the best customized ROM's for your device instantaneous given you don't brick it while perma-rooting it.
As far as I can see, real life performance these two are comparable, Sammy gets an icing on the cake thanks to awesome screen though.
EDIT: And as far as the hspa+ capabilities of the phone, if you get the service in the area you are in and you think it is worth it, then all I can say your 5GB/mo limit will deplete faster and you will be throttle to EDGE anyway.

My question is,4g will get better later in time right, because on my vibrant I always get good speeds of 7.9 mbps tops
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I have owned both. I prefer the vibrant. Going from a vibrant, the G2 screen looks abit washed out.
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Same exact reason I returned MT4G and went back to Vibrant. Once you SAMOLED, you just can't go back .
@OP: If you are hitting 7 Mbps on your Vibrant, that means the connection in your area is very good (and probably with very little traffic congestion). Since you are maxing out on your Vibrant, I am going to go out on a limb and say 4G phones (G2/MT4G) will give you better than 7 Mbps. Not that you need it...

I have a tmobile even more plan so everything is unlimited, the limit doesn't affect me
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I have a tmobile even more plan so everything is unlimited, the limit doesn't affect me
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Check your account usage online, and get down to earth.

I just checked it, unlimited android web, usage 0%, downloads big files
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I got to test the G2 out because one of my mates have one and I will admit the G2 seems to be more responsive, but I missed the Vibrant screen and I think I am one of the few people who actually likes and enjoys the Touchwiz UI.

I stopped by the newest tmobile store last week and tried out the hd7, mytouch 4g and g2 along with my vibrant. The hd7 did impress me(though I hear negative long term reviews), the mytouch was responsive and I liked it, but the "mysense" UI seems a little cheesy. The g2 I tried out definitely was not lag free. Quicker than the stock vibrant, but there was noticeable lag going through menus and apps... more so than the mytouch.
If it weren't for the aesthetics and keyboard, I'd get the g2. I think it looks outdated, and have no need for a physical keyboard bulking up my phone. I am envious of the processor, but my modified vibrant runs how I'd hope any high end phone to run. Stock for stock - g2.
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Only you can answer this question. Personally, I would not take the screen downgrade. Ever. No way. I find the SAMOLED to be hands down the most attractive display on any mobile device right now. The only thing that even comes close is the IPS panel in the iPhone 4, but side by side the SAMOLED is faster and has a more accurate color gamut including true blacks.
If you're going to trade the Vibrant for anything, at least wait for Nexus S or Galaxy S2.

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My question is,4g will get better later in time right, because on my vibrant I always get good speeds of 7.9 mbps tops
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Lol your vibrant is getting 7.9mbps? When hsdpa max is only 7.2mbps? Wow you got a special phone you really should keep it

The Vibrant's got an awesome screen and is much lighter. But the G2 is noticeably faster. And I'm not talking about the internet speeds. There is no lag in anything it does. The Vibrant with all the lag fixes is still slower. It's ironic inspite of the supposedly better hardware. The reason I returned the G2 was because of the crap HTC and T-Mobile pulled with the non-permanent root.
But seeing the way the Froyo update is going on the Vibrant and Cynanogen's mod is progressing and the fact that a working permanent root is now possible with the G2, I think it's only a matter of time that I trade in my Vibrant for the G2. From now on, I'm going to stick with HTC. Samsung's simply not doing itself any favors by dragging its feet with new OS releases. I thought that it would be different with a world wide release of the Samsung Galaxy S, but I was wrong. By the time we get 2.2, 2.3 will be out. With HTC and Cynanogen's mods, I'd get upgraded much faster.

i say 7.9 mbps because i was downloading through tether and i use speedtest and it showed 7.9mbps tops. im not lying, but i might just keep it becasue of the screen and the lag free roms out there.thanks for your help guys

Fuskand said:
One, good luck, as the G2 is way more in demand than a Vibrant (from gleaning the Marketplace),
and Two;
I have owned both. I prefer the vibrant. Going from a vibrant, the G2 screen looks abit washed out. Keyboard is nice though.
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This is the same thing with me.
got the G2
and Missed My Vibrant
The Vibrant has a better quality Camera.
The Vibrant has a dedicated DSP(music sounds better)
The Vibrant has TV-Out.
The Vibrant Screen Glass is smoother and nicer.
The Vibrant as 4" screen(anything smaller feels tiny)
The Vibrant has a good speaker.
The G2 has a ****ty speaker(It's really tinny)
The G2 hinge felt cheap.
PSX4Droid runs slower on the G2.
Snesoid was more fun on the G2(The Keyboard)

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My question is,4g will get better later in time right, because on my vibrant I always get good speeds of 7.9 mbps tops
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Vibrant 3G speeds in an HSPA+ market are impressive (especially for a 3G phone), but I don't even think it's possible to get speeds that high on a Vibrant...

the highest I consistently get with speedtest.net app is 6.5M

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i say 7.9 mbps because i was downloading through tether and i use speedtest and it showed 7.9mbps tops. im not lying, but i might just keep it becasue of the screen and the lag free roms out there.thanks for your help guys
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7.2 is the highest you'll download on the phone, or tether from a computer through the phone. This is what you sound like:
"I tethered my netbook to a computer with a dial-up modem (via Internet Connection Sharing) and was downloading files at 3mbps... It was awesome!"
Speedstests are widely known to be often inaccurate.
Even HSPA+ handsets are having trouble achieving those speeds on T-Mobile's network, as well as WiMAX handsets for Sprint (average speeds being ~5-6mbps).
That's part of the reason why HSPA+ isn't much of a selling point. The only real advantage of it is better ping (which may matter for some applications notably VoIP and Video Chat applications) and better upload speeds (ditto).

I have used both, and my friend and I have discussed, studied, compared my vibrant and his G2. The Facts are this
Screen: Vibrant has better color,bigger,etc. G2 has a great screen, but SAMOled wins
Proc: G2 wins this easily (wont go into specifics, but its far better then the vibrants)
GPU: I Theory vibrant wins, in use I peg them equal since I dont see lag with either.
Storage: Vibrant wins there of course XD but G2 can have 32gb sd card, which is more then enough
Data Speeds: G2 of course
All other areas are really the same, you can get really picky and point out the 2-channel ram bus on the vibrant, the OC ability of the G2, etc. But in the end of the day, they're both are absolute top of the line. If you like your vibrant, keep it, if you really want the G2 go for it, you wont be disappointed. The choice is all in what you want, nobody can tell you what you want......except maybe Steve Jobs....he seems good at that XD lol

scrizz said:
This is the same thing with me.
got the G2
and Missed My Vibrant
The Vibrant has a better quality Camera.
The Vibrant has a dedicated DSP(music sounds better)
The Vibrant has TV-Out.
The Vibrant Screen Glass is smoother and nicer.
The Vibrant as 4" screen(anything smaller feels tiny)
The Vibrant has a good speaker.
The G2 has a ****ty speaker(It's really tinny)
The G2 hinge felt cheap.
PSX4Droid runs slower on the G2.
Snesoid was more fun on the G2(The Keyboard)
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I just wanted to say one thing about this, since its your opinion and you welcome to it, but I do believe the G2 has a dedicated DSP also. The G2 from what I remember has a dedicated 5.1channel audio processor, which also is part what i believe to be the reason for its amazing noise canceling ability =) And the G2 speaker really is not that bad (My G1 has a terrible speaker XD) The size difference is also minimal in my opinion, 3.7 vs 4? that .3in, not much really. The G2 I have used has show itself to more then easily keep pace with the vibrant in many aspects, and they trade blows for different things. Its all down to preference and I prefer my vibrant =)

Did anyone come from an Epic 4g?

My lil brother wants to get an evo shift when his upgrade is due. He's not real tech savvy like me( he could care less), but I am. I have an epic, so I want to know, if anyone came from an Epic 4g to the shift, how do they compare? Thanks in advance.
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zanderman112 said:
My lil brother wants to get an evo shift when his upgrade is due. He's not real tech savvy like me( he could care less), but I am. I have an epic, so I want to know, if anyone came from an Epic 4g to the shift, how do they compare? Thanks in advance.
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I think there are one or two threads on this already try going back a page or two or doing a search
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Kind of a Sense vs Touchwiz decision. The software on the Shift in my opinion is much more refined and polished. Of couse that changes if you have a custom launcher.
The keyboard on the Shift is much better. The phone feels much more solid than the Epic. My Epic has a gap between the keys and the screen so when pressing the screen you hear a click. This isn't an issue on my Shift.
Camera/screen are both better on the Epic. The quality of the Epics screen in my opinion is unmatched by any phone currently.
Front facing camera on Epic....none on the Shift.
Speed differences are nonexistent. Both phones run quick on stock. Real life use you won't notice a big difference.
Gaming....Epic wins. If you guys are looking to do any heavy gaming the Epic is the better option.
Battery life...kind of a toss up. I feel my Shift goes a little longer but I've also read complaints. Although I do use my Epic as my mp3 player during the day.
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Why do you say the Epic is better with games? Benchmarks for the shift hit 1200 on 2.2 while benchmarks for the Epic hit 900 on 2.1

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Why do you say the Epic is better with games? Benchmarks for the shift hit 1200 on 2.2 while benchmarks for the Epic hit 900 on 2.1
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Benchmarks aren't accurate. They're mostly built for qualcomm processors. Besides they are just numbers. Its real life usage that counts.
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zanderman112 said:
Benchmarks aren't accurate. They're mostly built for qualcomm processors. Besides they are just numbers. Its real life usage that counts.
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We really need someone to run a game side by side on the epic and on the shift. From there we can tell how they will perform, but the higher benchmark number+ flash support on the GPU tells me the shift has the better GPU.

kingdruid said:
We really need someone to run a game side by side on the epic and on the shift. From there we can tell how they will perform, but the higher benchmark number+ flash support on the GPU tells me the shift has the better GPU.
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After I put 2.2 on and rooted my room mate's epic it destroyed my shift in terms of FPS on quadrant, even though it resulted in a lower overall number at the end. The GPU definitely seems to be much more powerful on the epic.
however, my shift feels much more responsive to the touch and interaction with the phone seems sharper and smoother.
The keyboard is better on the shift in terms of quality and physicality, but its lack of a permanent number row can be mildly annoying.

Also, if you really are concerned with quadrant/benchmark scores then an Epic running a 2.2 custom froyo rom, such as bonsai v2.x can score as high as 21-2200 scores on quadrant. The reason the epic gets a 900 on stock 2.1 is mainly due to samsungs use of their proprietary filesystem RFS instead of a linux fs like ext2/3/4. Once upgraded to a better fs, the epic spanks the evo and shift insofar as benchmarks are concerned. However when it comes to looks, feel, ui, etc. that's a different story.
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We really need someone to run a game side by side on the epic and on the shift. From there we can tell how they will perform, but the higher benchmark number+ flash support on the GPU tells me the shift has the better GPU.
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The GPU of the Epic is definitely more to the task of gaming than that of the EVO Shift. I understand that overclocked Shifts are doing very well in productivity, but the overclocking does not boost the GPU performance enough to overtake the Epic’s capabilities.
I believe the overall feel of the Shift to be much better than the Epic. Build quality is superior, keyboard feel is better and overall size is more convenient. The Epic is fast and does have a great display. The battery life after having both for a while ended up leaning towards the Epic for me.