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Nexus One and Telus

I currently have an old HTC Diamond and am ready for an upgrade.
Telus' new 3.5G network runs HSDPA / WCDMA 1900/850.
I read that ATT runs on 1900/850? Or at least 850? If I got an unlocked ATT Nexus one would it have both the 1900 and the 850 band?

DeadShawn said:
I currently have an old HTC Diamond and am ready for an upgrade.
Telus' new 3.5G network runs HSDPA / WCDMA 1900/850.
I read that ATT runs on 1900/850? Or at least 850? If I got an unlocked ATT Nexus one would it have both the 1900 and the 850 band?
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And what, might I ask, is an "ATT Nexus one"? Nexus one is sold and branded by GOOGLE. It has UMTS 900/1700/2100. This is NOT the same as ATT frequencies, which are, as you mention, 850/1900.
The difference is that ATT has an EDGE network and GN1 supports EDGE at 850/900/1800/1900. BELUS does NOT.
If you want to use GN1 in Canada, I recommend you switch providers to WIND. Their rates are WAY better, and they run on UMTS 1700/2100, which is compatible with GN1.

I get a really *really* good deal with Telus. Unlimited data, more txt and minuets then ill ever use, all the extras (caller id, voice mail) and all for under $45. I make good use of the unlimited data via tethering.
Switching from telus isn't an option.
Oh, and sorry for calling it an ATT Nexus One, I was simply implying it was available on the ATT network, my mistake.

The version of the nexus one that works on ATT's 3g has not been released yet. It recently passed through the FCC, but AFAIK the only one available now is the T-mobile version.
You should be good though buying an ATT 3g version when they come out. Who knows maybe sales to Canada will be open by then.

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The version of the nexus one that works on ATT's 3g has not been released yet. It recently passed through the FCC, but AFAIK the only one available now is the T-mobile version.
You should be good though buying an ATT 3g version when they come out. Who knows maybe sales to Canada will be open by then.
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that's pretty much the information I was looking for, thank you.

x10i on Rogers Network?

Hi,
I bought an x10 from 3 hong kong, fully unlocked. I brought it back to Canada and there's no 3G! I checked all the frequencies and should be all compatible, entered rogers APNs and still no 3G.
Is it possible to get the x10 to work on 3G on rogers?

No unfortunately. The X10 you got from Hong Kong is the international version and it does NOT have the correct 3G bands for Canada/US. You do get quad band GSM but you can only get EDGE. You would need the American version of the X10 in order to get 3G.

Yeah, tough luck. I'm still confused as why AT&T and T-mobile has different 3G bands. Rogers and AT&T use WCDMA 1900 MHz bands while T-mobile and what feels like the rest of the world (just kidding, but at least Europe too) uses WCDMA 2100.
Stop me if I'm way out of my league but my question is WHY?
And isn't it possible to just buy the phone from Rogers directly, cash?

Yea you can buy the phone from Rogers directly with cash but it is still locked. You need to get it unlocked before using it on another carrier.

Why do you need it unlocked if in Canada Rogers is the only one using that frequency?

that's the problem. i can't use rogers phones since i travel a lot. i have to buy a world phone of some sort.
I heard you can root your phone and change the frequencies. is that possible?

I was assuming Flamso might need it for AT&T or some other carrier. Also, it's not just Rogers that uses the frequence. We do have Telus and Bell now. Buy an X10, get it unlocked and use it on Telus or Bell.

Telus and Bell aren't CDMA?
I know Fido and Rogers are the same.

You shouldnt have a tough time selling that one here. Doesnt it support the aws band that wind mobile runs on? AWS 1700 i think

Tri3Dent said:
I was assuming Flamso might need it for AT&T or some other carrier. Also, it's not just Rogers that uses the frequence. We do have Telus and Bell now. Buy an X10, get it unlocked and use it on Telus or Bell.
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Well, no. My X10i works perfectly in Sweden with ALL providers.

any one know how to unlock rogers x10, so i can use it on teles..??

gavriel18 said:
You shouldnt have a tough time selling that one here. Doesnt it support the aws band that wind mobile runs on? AWS 1700 i think
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I have a x10i and it does work well on Wind i.e. 3G.

firin said:
any one know how to unlock rogers x10, so i can use it on teles..??
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what color you have? I have a BNIB unlocked X10i white wanting to trade for a X10 locked to rogers
email me if interested

i have the luster white x10i from one of the ebay seller in HK, and it works with T-mobile USA 3G network. UMTS band is 900/1700/2100. Rogers are using 800/850/1900/2100. I dont think you could change the frequency as it is part of the hardware.

Is there a way you can boost edge speed? i can't load facebook or weather with edge. it always times

Cheapest Canadian X10 unlock: http://www.mobileincanada.com/?l=en&u=all&coupon=facebook $5 CAD
T-Mo US and AT&T use different frequencies because spectrum is regulated. Whoever has the deeper pockets can buy more of it.
T-Mobile & Wind Mobile use the same 3G frequency (Band IV 1,700 Mhz) whereas Rogers and AT&T use Band V 850 Mhz.
Telus and Bell Mobility are also now HSPA so you can use unlocked Rogers 3G devices on their network too.
Bell has a tool on their website where you enter in your IMEI and it'll tell you if it's compatible: http://www.bell.ca/support/PrsCSrvWls_GettingStartedGuide.page#4
Scroll down to: Q: How do I check to see if I can bring my phone to Bell?

Tri3Dent said:
No unfortunately. The X10 you got from Hong Kong is the international version and it does NOT have the correct 3G bands for Canada/US. You do get quad band GSM but you can only get EDGE. You would need the American version of the X10 in order to get 3G.
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the Hong Kong X10i version will support T-mobile USA 3G network. the UMTS bandwidth is 1/4/8 which is 900/1700/2100. I got my luster white from hong kong ebay seller, and it works with T-mobile USA 3G network. For X10a (american version) the UMTS bandwidth is 800/850/1900/2100.

so that's why they have x10i and x10a
hardware difference for the 3G network to link with.
x10a is designed for north america
x10i can link on at&t's 3G just because it match

Just sign up with WIND mobile and enjoy because the X10i is compatible with the AWS band (same for T-Mobile down south). But if you are out of their coverage area then there won't be any 3G service (falls back to GSM + EDGE).
The X10a from Rogers will work with Telus and Bell HSPA 3G networks once you have it unlocked.

it does not matter what kind of x10 firmware you have. if your phone is originally a x10a, it has att 3g bands that works with rogers. if you flashed it with x10i firmware, you can still use the 3g because flashing the firmware does not change the bands.
x10i will work with rogers but you only get edge aka 2g.

[Q] Samsung Spica or HTC Magic/Hero?

Hi. So I finally decided to purchase my first Android OS based phone. At the moment, the two phones available to me and in my price range (used, $200 and under,) are the Samsung I5700 Galaxy Spica and HTC Magic (plus a Hero I found for very cheap.)
Custom ROMs aren't too important to me, the stock apps (browser, calender, SMS,) built into Android easily meet my needs, but the Spica's spec sheet is very nice. Obviously the Magic/Hero is fairly dated now, so it doesn't really match up. But the Spica's 3G radio is not compatible with Canadian providers. I need a phone that I can switch from network to network here in Canada. Two to 3 years plans are out of my means currently, plus I don't really like contracts.
I guess what I'm really asking for is: is the Spica worth potentially paying more money for - is its support for Divx, its form factor, its display and its beefier CPU worth an extra $5 a month? Or should I just settle for a Magic/Hero?
EDIT: According to GSM Arena there's a NA version that supports, HSDPA 850 / 1900. Can I verify what bands the Spica supports by checking a menu in Android?

I have a non-NA Spica in Canada. The only networks it doesn't work for are Windmobile and Mobilicity because they use 1700MHz.

Right. And the other UTMS networks available all operate on 850/1900. So if you're using the non-NA version, which has HSDPA 900/2100, you wouldn't be able to use any 3G network in Canada? Please correct me if I'm wrong, I'm just learning this stuff at the moment.
Personally, I'm going to go with either Koodo or Solo, because at the moment, because of where I'm at, they have the best available prepaid plan.

There are 2 versions of the Spica and 3 of the Magic -
Magic: Rogers, T-Mobile USA (myTouch 3G), international
Spica: Rogers, international
As it would suggest, the Rogers versions of each of these phones works on the Rogers 3G network, as well as that of Telus, Bell and now Sasktel, as well as all of their subsidiaries, such as Solo, Koodo, Virgin, Fido, etc.
The T-Mobile USA myTouch will work with Wind Mobile, Videotron and Moblicity, providing you're in one of their coverage areas. Otherwise it will work with Rogers (and Fido) on their 2G network.
The international (anywhere but North America) versions of these phones won't work on any 3G network in Canada, so you can use only Rogers (and Fido) on 2G.
Similarly, there are 3 versions of the Hero, a Telus one that will work with Rogers, Telus and Bell; an international one that will work with Rogers on 2G and a Sprint one (that looks cooler too) that will only work with Sprint in the US, and doesn't take a SIM card.
Hope this helps

[Q] is it possible to convert International to NAM ?

Ok so I have to admit that in the middle of my excitement, I overlooked this and bought an HTC Legend International version from Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0035ER8OO/ref=oss_product)
Where I live, we get 3G 850Mhz (similar to AT&T), but this phone being international and all only supports 3G on 900/2100 Mhz. I do get GSM 850 with super-slow Edge connection, but no 3G, which is like having a hot woman and not being able to "do" her.
My question is, can the radio on this phone be flashed to converto to 3G 850 (NAM Version) or is it my only option to sell this phone immediately?

rpereira said:
Ok so I have to admit that in the middle of my excitement, I overlooked this and bought an HTC Legend International version from Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0035ER8OO/ref=oss_product)
Where I live, we get 3G 850Mhz (similar to AT&T), but this phone being international and all only supports 3G on 900/2100 Mhz. I do get GSM 850 with super-slow Edge connection, but no 3G, which is like having a hot woman and not being able to "do" her.
My question is, can the radio on this phone be flashed to converto to 3G 850 (NAM Version) or is it my only option to sell this phone immediately?
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You may only get faster GPRS/Edge speed by playing with some build.prop settings but that's about it AFAIK

Thanks for the reply, I just put it up for sale on my facebook and local market with the excuse that I bought it for my wife and she thinks is too complex and prefers Blackberry. hopefully someone will buy it and I can order me a new phone with the right 3G band support .

As a T-Mobile user...

So as far as my research goes there are 2 options for the GS3 on t-mobile.
One is buy the international version and wait for t-mobile to upgrade their network which they say will be out by the "end of the year."
The second is pick up a gs3 from WIND Mobile, Mobilicity or Videotron (Canadian carriers that use the same frequencies as T-Mobile).
Is the second option even viable or should I just get the international version? To put things in perspective of why I want to upgrade now, my g2x was stolen a few months ago and I've been suffering with my 8900 Blackberry....a phone with 2G speeds and the processing power of a rock and I just cannot take this any more.

One question is the chip the North American version will get, which is probably the S4 Krait, it has very good performance and probably more battery efficient. Sound quality should be excellent like the HTC One S. Not to mention LTE support too, which T-Mobile is unveiling next year.
With that said, I always go for the international version, its released first for one and generally has more developers. I buy my phones at full price and int' version generally has better resale values. I don't think you have a lot of choice if you are in contract.
I can tolerate the 2G until 1900mhz band works with T-Mobile, I only need data for Google Maps, I get on WiFi otherwise.

Funny. I broke my N1 and am stuck with a BB curve 3600. It's been a month or so now....and I believe I've been punished long enough!

I wouldn't be able to tolerate the 2G speeds. So I will be getting it through mobile when they release release it. Having carrier warranty is a big plus for me too.
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well I'm sure there will be canadians that would be willing to sell their phones out of contract, full price. I wouldn't be locked into a contract either way.

i wouldn't mind helping out our fellow breathens from the south
i know i'll be picking it up for sure when it becomes available in store.
just keep in mind there's a 13% tax here + FedEx shipping fees which varies for northern states is aprox $20, southern states is about $26

AllGamer said:
i wouldn't mind helping out our fellow breathens from the south
i know i'll be picking it up for sure when it becomes available in store.
just keep in mind there's a 13% tax here + FedEx shipping fees which varies for northern states is aprox $20, southern states is about $26
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whats 40 bucks when you have the top phone working on your network ahead of everyone else right?

i would think it would be the international version that WIND Mobile, Mobilicity or Videotron would be getting, sense they dont have LTE.

tkeyes said:
i would think it would be the international version that WIND Mobile, Mobilicity or Videotron would be getting, sense they dont have LTE.
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did you check the radio bands included in the international model?

yes, they dont work with t-mo till the end of end of the year. no one wants 2G service.

International/Unlocked S3 on T-Mobile or AT&T (USA)
tkeyes said:
yes, they dont work with t-mo till the end of end of the year. no one wants 2G service.
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Why won't they work?
I read the International Version can run on either T-Mobile (USA) or AT&T network, since the International Version of the S3 uses the same spectrum. It won't be possible to use LTE, but HSPA+ is possible... so I read.
Don't know if you specifically meant the Canadian version, because the International SG3 uses "850 / 900 / 1900 / 2100 mhz", for use with "3g (hspa＋ 21mbps)" (= T-Mobile).
Can you provide a few more details on why it's not supposed to work, as you say ??
Thanks!

androidarmin said:
Why won't they work?
I read the International Version can run on either T-Mobile (USA) or AT&T network, since the International Version of the S3 uses the same spectrum. It won't be possible to use LTE, but HSPA+ is possible... so I read.
Don't know if you specifically meant the Canadian version, because the International SG3 uses "850 / 900 / 1900 / 2100 mhz", for use with "3g (hspa＋ 21mbps)" (= T-Mobile).
Can you provide a few more details on why it's not supposed to work, as you say ??
Thanks!
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Cause it doesn't list 1700mhz, which tmobile needs for the down link.
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The 1700 mhz band is not necessarily needed. I just checked some other sources, and they say it's only needed for LTE - which T-Mobile won't have until some time in 2013 anyway. HSPA+ is good enough for speedy downloads on the 1900 mhz band.
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Just found this one on Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-Mobile_USA
[T-Mobile] Radio frequency spectrum chart
The following chart describes radio frequency spectrum bands accessible by the company's customers using compatible devices.
850 MHz GSM/GPRS/EDGE 2G
1900 MHz GSM/GPRS/EDGE 2G
1700+2100 MHz UMTS/HSPA/HSPA+ 4G (formerly 3G)
1900 MHz UMTS/HSPA/HSPA+ 4G
This means, the International SG3 will be fine in the U.S. using T-Mobile's speedy HSPA+ network... and that's all I need.

..???..
Well... this is confusing: T-Mobile's website (for SIM-only plans) actually states..
Important note about 3G phones:
If you own a 3G phone but it does not support the 1700-MHz band, it will operate at 2G (EDGE) speeds on our network.
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Looks like you guys were right... This sucks!!!

you need 1700 Mhz for AWS 3G/4G support
LTE is not even in the picture

I believe t mobile has had a SGSIII go through the FCC in the last week. I believe they will be getting their own model.
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planoman said:
I believe t mobile has had a SGSIII go through the FCC in the last week. I believe they will be getting their own model.
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I believe that is correct, by the end of next month tmo should be selling it. I have a feeling that it's going to be the same as the international version.
Sent from T-Mobile's galaxy S II running ICS

Has anyone read this article about the relase date. My contract is up this week but im waiting untill its released. Seems like the speeds will be 4g but no quad-core processor
Plus I heard the Samsung Galaxy Note is going to be released on TMo too!!
http://www.ubergizmo.com/2012/05/samsung-galaxy-s3-note-in-t-mobile-document/

moshe22 said:
I wouldn't be able to tolerate the 2G speeds. So I will be getting it through mobile when they release release it. Having carrier warranty is a big plus for me too.
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Exactly true for me. On verizon tho.

I can deal with edge speeds as WiFi is everywhere, plus T-Mo is refarming their spectrum - the Int'l Version should be compatible with 4G by Q4