Hi,
I bought an x10 from 3 hong kong, fully unlocked. I brought it back to Canada and there's no 3G! I checked all the frequencies and should be all compatible, entered rogers APNs and still no 3G.
Is it possible to get the x10 to work on 3G on rogers?
No unfortunately. The X10 you got from Hong Kong is the international version and it does NOT have the correct 3G bands for Canada/US. You do get quad band GSM but you can only get EDGE. You would need the American version of the X10 in order to get 3G.
Yeah, tough luck. I'm still confused as why AT&T and T-mobile has different 3G bands. Rogers and AT&T use WCDMA 1900 MHz bands while T-mobile and what feels like the rest of the world (just kidding, but at least Europe too) uses WCDMA 2100.
Stop me if I'm way out of my league but my question is WHY?
And isn't it possible to just buy the phone from Rogers directly, cash?
Yea you can buy the phone from Rogers directly with cash but it is still locked. You need to get it unlocked before using it on another carrier.
Why do you need it unlocked if in Canada Rogers is the only one using that frequency?
that's the problem. i can't use rogers phones since i travel a lot. i have to buy a world phone of some sort.
I heard you can root your phone and change the frequencies. is that possible?
I was assuming Flamso might need it for AT&T or some other carrier. Also, it's not just Rogers that uses the frequence. We do have Telus and Bell now. Buy an X10, get it unlocked and use it on Telus or Bell.
Telus and Bell aren't CDMA?
I know Fido and Rogers are the same.
You shouldnt have a tough time selling that one here. Doesnt it support the aws band that wind mobile runs on? AWS 1700 i think
Tri3Dent said:
I was assuming Flamso might need it for AT&T or some other carrier. Also, it's not just Rogers that uses the frequence. We do have Telus and Bell now. Buy an X10, get it unlocked and use it on Telus or Bell.
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Well, no. My X10i works perfectly in Sweden with ALL providers.
any one know how to unlock rogers x10, so i can use it on teles..??
gavriel18 said:
You shouldnt have a tough time selling that one here. Doesnt it support the aws band that wind mobile runs on? AWS 1700 i think
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I have a x10i and it does work well on Wind i.e. 3G.
firin said:
any one know how to unlock rogers x10, so i can use it on teles..??
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what color you have? I have a BNIB unlocked X10i white wanting to trade for a X10 locked to rogers
email me if interested
i have the luster white x10i from one of the ebay seller in HK, and it works with T-mobile USA 3G network. UMTS band is 900/1700/2100. Rogers are using 800/850/1900/2100. I dont think you could change the frequency as it is part of the hardware.
Is there a way you can boost edge speed? i can't load facebook or weather with edge. it always times
Cheapest Canadian X10 unlock: http://www.mobileincanada.com/?l=en&u=all&coupon=facebook $5 CAD
T-Mo US and AT&T use different frequencies because spectrum is regulated. Whoever has the deeper pockets can buy more of it.
T-Mobile & Wind Mobile use the same 3G frequency (Band IV 1,700 Mhz) whereas Rogers and AT&T use Band V 850 Mhz.
Telus and Bell Mobility are also now HSPA so you can use unlocked Rogers 3G devices on their network too.
Bell has a tool on their website where you enter in your IMEI and it'll tell you if it's compatible: http://www.bell.ca/support/PrsCSrvWls_GettingStartedGuide.page#4
Scroll down to: Q: How do I check to see if I can bring my phone to Bell?
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No unfortunately. The X10 you got from Hong Kong is the international version and it does NOT have the correct 3G bands for Canada/US. You do get quad band GSM but you can only get EDGE. You would need the American version of the X10 in order to get 3G.
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the Hong Kong X10i version will support T-mobile USA 3G network. the UMTS bandwidth is 1/4/8 which is 900/1700/2100. I got my luster white from hong kong ebay seller, and it works with T-mobile USA 3G network. For X10a (american version) the UMTS bandwidth is 800/850/1900/2100.
so that's why they have x10i and x10a
hardware difference for the 3G network to link with.
x10a is designed for north america
x10i can link on at&t's 3G just because it match
Just sign up with WIND mobile and enjoy because the X10i is compatible with the AWS band (same for T-Mobile down south). But if you are out of their coverage area then there won't be any 3G service (falls back to GSM + EDGE).
The X10a from Rogers will work with Telus and Bell HSPA 3G networks once you have it unlocked.
it does not matter what kind of x10 firmware you have. if your phone is originally a x10a, it has att 3g bands that works with rogers. if you flashed it with x10i firmware, you can still use the 3g because flashing the firmware does not change the bands.
x10i will work with rogers but you only get edge aka 2g.
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so, i tried my mothers rogers sim card and my EURO hero works fine. I could not get my newly activated telus sim card to work in my hero though, it has the right bands, there site says it should work too!
does anyone else have a euro hero on telus?
how did you get it working!?
I appreciate any and all help! thank you!
ps i had a rooted hero with modaco 2.9 and my own theme.. but i thought updating to the latest ruu from htc would fix it but apparently it didnt!
also when i go into menu - settings-wireless controls-mobile network settings-network operators-search networks... i only get rogers wireless and no telus.. so i went driving (passsenger seat lol) to see if i just wasnt getting reception... but no matter where i went i did not get service...
also i called telus and they said there network is fine and that my sim card is activated..
my phone has popped up a few times "telus : temp. me error" or something like that too
urghh, i bought an unlocked phone... but i never tried a sim card till after i updated to the newest ruu from htc... maybe its not totally unlocked?
although it works on rogers! but arnt they roaming partners? maybe thats why it works on rogers?
idk im pretty sure bell has the new network too, and they dont show up on my phone either:\
please helpp!
k now i have used flash rec to get the recovery image, installed t-mobile image because the telus check to see if my phone will work said it was from there even though it was "unbranded and unlocked" but when i pop my telus sim there is nothing saying that the network is locked or anything :s
urgh i will try a replacement sim tomorrow hopefully!
still would appreciate any info anyone has!
Does anyone have the europen hero on TELUS or bell?
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Does anyone have the europen hero on TELUS or bell?
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I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but unfortunately the Euro HTC Hero will not work on Telus or Bell. Telus and Bell's new HSPA networks only work with phones that can support HSPA 850/1900. The North American HTC Hero (sold by Telus) has these bands. The Euro HTC Hero only supports HSPA 900/2100 (i.e. any 3G networks outside of North America). The reason you can see Rogers is because Rogers has GSM support (the Euro HTC Hero can only work on GSM networks in Canada - Rogers or Fido only).
I wish I had better news, but I'm afraid you'll need to purchase a North American HTC Hero (if you wish to use Bell or Telus' HSPA network), or alternatively, another cell phone that supports HSPA 850/1900.
but i read from htc site
HSPA/WCDMA:
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900/2100 MHz
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Up to 2 Mbps up-link and 7.2 Mbps down-link speeds
Quad-band GSM/GPRS/EDGE:
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850/900/1800/1900 MHz
and telus site
Runs on 1900/850 MHz frequency bands and uses standard 3GPP SIM cards
so techinically i just cant get 3g, but i cant even get voice/text working
and im on pay as you go anyways
wait so your saying telus doesnt have anything but hspa and 3g going to their sim cards?
there website even says my phone is compatible! (after referencing my imei!)
it has to woork! i dont wanna use rogers.. even though thats who i originally planned on using before knowing telus was getting this network
It wont work.
timmacnaughton is right.
The euro Hero only has 2100 HSPA bands, which are not used in North America, Bellus uses 850/1900 (same as Rogers) for the HSPA network, however, the reason your phone is working on Rogers is because its on Edge (2G). Bellus doesnt have 2G to fallback on, only a 3G network.
2G bands are considered world frequencies, anywhere you go, if the carrier is GSM your phone will work with 2G, they use different bands but GSM phone are all quad-band 2G ready
So in all in all.. the european Hero will work on Rogers but Edge only and wont work at all on Bellus (Bell & Telus)
The best way to know if another device will work on Bellus, if you come from Rogers is just to see if you can use 3G on it. If your device cannot use 3G on Rogers, it wont work on Bellus.
ohh thats wierd, i thought telus was doing this because of the olympics, and if most people work on 2100, then they wont be able to use telus in which case they wont get the traffic from the olypmics :s
Lol, no.
Roaming contracts have been signed and delt with for a long time. Besides, Bellus's network cant even be used by a euro phone so yeah.
Anything that is roaming GSM will be on Rogers. even US phones, AT&T has a contract with Rogers for roaming.. in fact every GSM carrier has a contract with Rogers, they own roaming in canada for GSM. bling bling?!
What is the difference between the two and can you make an "a" an "i"?
the differences are the 3g frequencies that they support
i forgot the exact bands but i know that the x10a supports us atnt, rogers canada, and telstra australia 3g bands. the x10i supports asia and european 3g bands
The difference is pronouncation. Also a is the first letter in the alphabet while i is the 9th. I don't think you can make i into a and vice versa.
PS. You can make [email protected] and vice versa but it causes SEUS problems.
x10i and x10a both have the same GSM network frequency as 850/900/1800/1900, or you can call as as Edge network as well. As for the 3G frequency or UMTS bandwidth, here is the difference:
x10i
UMTS: 900/1700/2100 MHz
it will support Asia / Europe / and T-Mobile USA 3G network.
X10a
UMTS: 800/850/1900/2100 MHz
like dorifuto.boi said, it will support AT&T US, Roger Canada, Teltra Australia. It also support Japanese Do-co-mo 3G network as well.
You may wanna check with your current service provider and ask them which UMTS bandwidth they fall into the above category. Again, this is for GSM network only. If you are using Sprint, Verizon, etc they are in differenet as they are in CDMA network.
To further add to your comments
SE uses the a or I for country variants
A - America's (Canada, US & Latin America) Support these bands
I - International (Europe, Asia, Middle east etc) support these bands
thanks for the info. I received and "a" as a gift, but am not able to get on tmobile3g. Only getting edge, but it runs fine.
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thanks for the info. I received and "a" as a gift, but am not able to get on tmobile3g. Only getting edge, but it runs fine.
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a - AT & T
i - tmobile
Just find somebody here on the forum and exchange the phones
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x10i
UMTS: 900/1700/2100 MHz
it will support Asia / Europe / and T-Mobile USA 3G network.
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As well as WIND Mobile in Canada
njfpolyr6 said:
X10a
UMTS: 800/850/1900/2100 MHz
like dorifuto.boi said, it will support AT&T US, Roger Canada, Teltra Australia. It also support Japanese Do-co-mo 3G network as well.
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Bell and Telus have 3G (only) networks in Canada in these bands
By the way... it is technically possible to build a phone that works on all the 3G bands, so that it would not be required an "a" and an "i" version?
the Nokia n8 is like that. 5 band 3g. but the x10 is not
quanganhle90 said:
the Nokia n8 is like that. 5 band 3g. but the x10 is not
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Yes it is - for some weird reason t-mobile was included in the international version, and AT&T was on the American version... But the facts is, that both versions have 2100 MHz 3G which is the most used 3G band worldwide... As I see it, you will just have to go into a secret menu and then check off some other boxes, and then it should be able to use the other 3G bands!
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just because they both have 2100 doesn't mean ATT and t-mobile are using them. personally they should have made 1 model with quad band 3g. better for everyone.
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thanks for the info. I received and "a" as a gift, but am not able to get on tmobile3g. Only getting edge, but it runs fine.
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I have a X10i but for my operetor I need a X10a. I will apreciate to change my model with you
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By the way... it is technically possible to build a phone that works on all the 3G bands, so that it would not be required an "a" and an "i" version?
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technically yes
RIM has this
blackberry's band can be swtiched by changing the fw.
Hi All
I have recently moved to Canada with my UK HTC HD2.
Since moving here I have changed my phone provider to Fido (Rogers Network). Internet seems extremely slow compared to my UK provider.
Someone told me that because I have a UK phone it is not using the correct bands for HSPA and that's why my internet access is so slow. Internet access is extremely fast on Wi-Fi so I know it's not a problem with the ROM etc.
Can anyone give me any ideas if this sounds correct - do I need to sell my UK HTC HD2 and purchase an American one to get over this problem?
Thanks
I think your friend is correct.
Rogers uses 850Mhz and 1900 Mhz, while in the
United Kingdom the bands used are 800Mhz and 1800Mhz (and some 2100Mhz),
Your UK HD2 is of European configuration, and should be able to cope with the Rogers frequencies. (See)
Your phone uses 900 - 2100 for 3G
Rogers provides it at 850 - 1900 , therefore your phone will slow down to GPRS speeds.
Have you tried flashing a new radio ROM?
If so, perhaps you should try another one.
At least in theory you could keep your phone and have mobile broadband.
What your friend is telling is true for dual band phones, however the HD2 is quad band..... Perhaps contact your provider (sometimes the dataplan has not been correctly activated, therefore access to mobile broadband is denied, and you will revert to the low GSM data band)
Otherwise contact HTC.
PS: Sorry for my ****-up
the t8585 (regular hd2) uses 900 and 2100 for 3g.
source
thats why canadian users with cash to splash go for the australian telstra model which uses 850/2100
You will only get GPRS and edge speeds, and no, the american wont get 3g either.
Yep....
I's official, I am cross-eyed, got the correct info, but wrong interpretation.
I stand corrected.
Thanks to both of you for the response .... I'm a little confused though!
So if I bought a T-Mobile USA model - that wouldn't give me 3G on the Rogers network I'm on? I have to buy an Australian Telstra model to get 3G?
Thanks!
*EDIT* ... Oh I think I get it now... I don't need to have the 850 and 1900 bands to use 3G on the Rogers network so long as I have one or the other - correct me if I am wrong please?
yea thats it, and the US hd2 has 1700/2100 which is why that one doesnt get 3g on rogers.
I get ya! Thanks for that.... so is Canada the only country that uses 1900? I'm asking because I now know that I can buy an Australian phone to suit the 850 but is there another country's phone apart from Canada that will use the 1900 band?
also I noticed something in my phone settings....there's an option to change my base band so I have selected 850/1900 GSM but it doesn't seem to have made a great deal of difference even after a reset
that's gsm, (calls, gprs and edge) nothing to do with the umts bands.
put umts bands into google, theres a Wikipedia page tells you what countries and networks use what bands.
Hey guys,
Looking at pre-ordering the unlocked version of the DVP from Clove but I'm not sure whether it is going to work in Canada =/.
I've looked at all the Canadian cell phone providers (Telus, Fido, Bell, Rogers) and it doesn't seem like they are compatible with the 3G band on the Dell Venue Pro (900/2100).
Canadian providers seem to require 850/1900 or 1700.
So uh...is it worth buying the phone? Anyone think it will work?
Does the phone need to be 3G compatible to work? (Telus seems to say that your phone NEEDS to be 3G+ compatible).
Thanks,
-Sean
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Hey guys,
Looking at pre-ordering the unlocked version of the DVP from Clove but I'm not sure whether it is going to work in Canada =/.
I've looked at all the Canadian cell phone providers (Telus, Fido, Bell, Rogers) and it doesn't seem like they are compatible with the 3G band on the Dell Venue Pro (900/2100).
Canadian providers seem to require 850/1900 or 1700.
So uh...is it worth buying the phone? Anyone think it will work?
Does the phone need to be 3G compatible to work? (Telus seems to say that your phone NEEDS to be 3G+ compatible).
Thanks,
-Sean
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NOP.. it wont work.. it works but no 3g u would pick EDGE.. UK are 900/2100
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NOP.. it wont work.. it works but no 3g u would pick EDGE.. UK are 900/2100
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is 3G necessary for smartphones?
I've never had a smartphone before. right now I'm just using an old flip phone.
Would the phone need to have 3G in order for me to bring it to a carrier and add a sim card + plan?
Se4nH4x said:
is 3G necessary for smartphones?
I've never had a smartphone before. right now I'm just using an old flip phone.
Would the phone need to have 3G in order for me to bring it to a carrier and add a sim card + plan?
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Yea, 3G would be pretty much a necessity, as the next best available connection you would get is edge, which is much slower.
For $989 this site claims to have a Telstra NextG compatible version up for grabs:
http://www.mobicity.com.au/dell-venue-pro.html
I have been using a Telstra HD2 on Telus which gives me 3G+ for a while so I would assume this one would also work. But then again I could be wrong as the bands don't look right..
So it does work if i only use for 2G cell phone service with Fido (no internet), right?
I can use WIFI only.
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For $989 this site claims to have a Telstra NextG compatible version up for grabs:
http://www.mobicity.com.au/dell-venue-pro.html
I have been using a Telstra HD2 on Telus which gives me 3G+ for a while so I would assume this one would also work. But then again I could be wrong as the bands don't look right..
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That phone has 900/1900/2100 3G bands which is not supported in Canada.
You need 850 or 1700 for it to work in Canada >.>
Se4nH4x said:
That phone has 900/1900/2100 3G bands which is not supported in Canada.
You need 850 or 1700 for it to work in Canada >.>
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no your wroung,
you need 850/1900 UMTS/HSPA if you want to use rogers, fido, bell, telus, virgin, koodo, on 3g
you need 850/1900 GSM if you want to use rogers/fido with no 3g
if you want to use wind mobile you need 1700/2100 UMTS/HSPA (same as t-mobile)
jul644 said:
no your wroung,
you need 850/1900 UMTS/HSPA if you want to use rogers, fido, bell, telus, virgin, koodo, on 3g
you need 850/1900 GSM if you want to use rogers/fido with no 3g
if you want to use wind mobile you need 1700/2100 UMTS/HSPA (same as t-mobile)
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well my point was that it has no supported 3G bands.
I want to take full advantage of 3G.
Finally!
Got official info!
http://www.dell.com/us/p/mobile-venue-pro/pd
Bands
UMTS 900/1700/2100
GSM/EDGE 850/900/1800/1900
HSDPA 7.2Mbps/HSUPA 5.76 Mbps
There's that 1700/2100 that I need!
Yay!
Question for the collective wisdom of the group:
I bought an unlocked T-Mobile HTC G2 off of ebay thinking it was the same as a regular Desire Z. Phone is great, but 3G does not work in my home country (Honduras). Is there anyway to change the data frequency on the phone?
Thanks in advance
AE
loaferoatan said:
Question for the collective wisdom of the group:
I bought an unlocked T-Mobile HTC G2 off of ebay thinking it was the same as a regular Desire Z. Phone is great, but 3G does not work in my home country (Honduras). Is there anyway to change the data frequency on the phone?
Thanks in advance
AE
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No, not possible.
Sent from my T-Mobile G2 using XDA App
NAM version of Desire Z
Someone told me that I need the NAM Desire Z (850mhz) to be able to use with my local network...Am i really stuck with Edge with my T-mobile G2?
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Someone told me that I need the NAM Desire Z (850mhz) to be able to use with my local network...Am i really stuck with Edge with my T-mobile G2?
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Yes. The G2 and the DZ use different bands for data, so you will not be able to get 3G or 4G from it.
loaferoatan said:
Someone told me that I need the NAM Desire Z (850mhz) to be able to use with my local network...Am i really stuck with Edge with my T-mobile G2?
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Unfortunatly yes, you are stuck if you keep the G2, best bet sell it an get a HTC A7275 Desire Z NAM, this model supports (850mhz). This is the only model Desire Z that supports this frequency. It has to ba a A7275 model. Bell Canada sell this model and some other online electrionc vendors.
There are AT LEAST THREE different variations on the VISION hardware, supporting different frequency sets. The AWS version debranded by tmobile, is capable of upload on 1700 (used in US and Canada) or 1900 (used in Europe) MHz, download on 2100.
For info, since this comes up a lot, I have updated the Wiki with the information about which radio bands are supported by which Vision model - http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=HTC_Vision#Radio_Bands
As other have indicated, you are stuck on EDGE. The MHz compatibility is a function of the hardware, and therefore can't be changed. Always research the heck out of the device before buying anything that is unlocked or otherwise not from your carrier.
If your wireless provider uses "standard" north american frequencies like AT&T USA, Bell Mobility Canada, and Rogers Wireless Canada, you need the Desire Z p/n: 99HLW020. Phones that are p/n: 99HLW021 are T-Mobile USA only.
halfinn said:
If your wireless provider uses "standard" north american frequencies like AT&T USA, Bell Mobility Canada, and Rogers Wireless Canada, you need the Desire Z p/n: 99HLW020. Phones that are p/n: 99HLW021 are T-Mobile USA only.
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"Standard"? It would help if there was such a thing. In most of Europe and in Japan, they only use one network type and frequency (instead of mish-moshing GSM and CDMA and different frequencies). As long as your phone is SIM unlocked, you can use your device on any carrier. That's how it should be.
halfinn said:
If your wireless provider uses "standard" north american frequencies like AT&T USA, Bell Mobility Canada, and Rogers Wireless Canada, you need the Desire Z p/n: 99HLW020. Phones that are p/n: 99HLW021 are T-Mobile USA only.
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How do those 3 together make it standard? There are 3 providers using UMTS on GSM and PCS (which you've listed), there are more than 3 using AWS.... tmobile, globalive, mobilicity, and videotron running now... and more coming soon... as well, ALL of the providers you've mentioned OWN AWS spectrum, and at least ATT is apparently planning on using it.... (robelus just bought a bunch of it up to block out competition... the bastards.)
So seems to me that AWS is more "standard" than GSM or PCS spectrum.
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How do those 3 together make it standard? There are 3 providers using UMTS on GSM and PCS (which you've listed), there are more than 3 using AWS.... tmobile, globalive, mobilicity, and videotron running now... and more coming soon... as well, ALL of the providers you've mentioned OWN AWS spectrum, and at least ATT is apparently planning on using it.... (robelus just bought a bunch of it up to block out competition... the bastards.)
So seems to me that AWS is more "standard" than GSM or PCS spectrum.
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Yeah, I don't know if calling it the standard for North American frequencies is completely right (though I believe in terms of numbers of users/towers instead of number of providers, it actually might be but I'd have to go research to be sure---most manufactures refer to their North American versions of phones as using these frequencies as well). I would say however, it is pretty much the standard for the Americas. Almost all of Central and South American use 850/1900 as well. AWS is limited to only the the US and Canada (I believe).