What is the difference between the two and can you make an "a" an "i"?
the differences are the 3g frequencies that they support
i forgot the exact bands but i know that the x10a supports us atnt, rogers canada, and telstra australia 3g bands. the x10i supports asia and european 3g bands
The difference is pronouncation. Also a is the first letter in the alphabet while i is the 9th. I don't think you can make i into a and vice versa.
PS. You can make [email protected] and vice versa but it causes SEUS problems.
x10i and x10a both have the same GSM network frequency as 850/900/1800/1900, or you can call as as Edge network as well. As for the 3G frequency or UMTS bandwidth, here is the difference:
x10i
UMTS: 900/1700/2100 MHz
it will support Asia / Europe / and T-Mobile USA 3G network.
X10a
UMTS: 800/850/1900/2100 MHz
like dorifuto.boi said, it will support AT&T US, Roger Canada, Teltra Australia. It also support Japanese Do-co-mo 3G network as well.
You may wanna check with your current service provider and ask them which UMTS bandwidth they fall into the above category. Again, this is for GSM network only. If you are using Sprint, Verizon, etc they are in differenet as they are in CDMA network.
To further add to your comments
SE uses the a or I for country variants
A - America's (Canada, US & Latin America) Support these bands
I - International (Europe, Asia, Middle east etc) support these bands
thanks for the info. I received and "a" as a gift, but am not able to get on tmobile3g. Only getting edge, but it runs fine.
nkn_1 said:
thanks for the info. I received and "a" as a gift, but am not able to get on tmobile3g. Only getting edge, but it runs fine.
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a - AT & T
i - tmobile
Just find somebody here on the forum and exchange the phones
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x10i
UMTS: 900/1700/2100 MHz
it will support Asia / Europe / and T-Mobile USA 3G network.
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As well as WIND Mobile in Canada
njfpolyr6 said:
X10a
UMTS: 800/850/1900/2100 MHz
like dorifuto.boi said, it will support AT&T US, Roger Canada, Teltra Australia. It also support Japanese Do-co-mo 3G network as well.
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Bell and Telus have 3G (only) networks in Canada in these bands
By the way... it is technically possible to build a phone that works on all the 3G bands, so that it would not be required an "a" and an "i" version?
the Nokia n8 is like that. 5 band 3g. but the x10 is not
quanganhle90 said:
the Nokia n8 is like that. 5 band 3g. but the x10 is not
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Yes it is - for some weird reason t-mobile was included in the international version, and AT&T was on the American version... But the facts is, that both versions have 2100 MHz 3G which is the most used 3G band worldwide... As I see it, you will just have to go into a secret menu and then check off some other boxes, and then it should be able to use the other 3G bands!
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just because they both have 2100 doesn't mean ATT and t-mobile are using them. personally they should have made 1 model with quad band 3g. better for everyone.
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thanks for the info. I received and "a" as a gift, but am not able to get on tmobile3g. Only getting edge, but it runs fine.
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I have a X10i but for my operetor I need a X10a. I will apreciate to change my model with you
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By the way... it is technically possible to build a phone that works on all the 3G bands, so that it would not be required an "a" and an "i" version?
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technically yes
RIM has this
blackberry's band can be swtiched by changing the fw.
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Among those of you with a deap knowledge of the inner working of HTC phone for 3G networks.
Is HTC doing something to phones for each carrier to lock the phone to a specific carriers 3G network and no other.
I'm asking because I was talking with a freind of mine who was given a HD2 as a part of a promotion for use on AT&T 3G network (850/2100). He uses T-Mobile and tried to get it to work with his T-Mobile SIM with no success. He also told me he had a conversation with someone from HTC that told him that he would no beable to get his HD2 to work on T-Mobile because the hardware will not work with T-Mobiles 3G network (1700/2100).
If this is the case does anyone know if it changable, is it a Firmware issue that can be changed or is it like hard wired physically?
Then the question is if we are buying these phone, some through contracts others outright, do we want to told whos service we have to use!!
Lets have some good discussion...
there are billions of threads on this.
3g is radio/hardware dependent. he'll unfortunately be stuck on EDGE.
He will have no issues using the phone with T-mobile usa. He will not get 3G because of the bands. He will just have edge. But calls, mms, text, email, and internet will all function properly.
Clarify this please
I bought my HTC HD2 in USA (unlocked) and here in Peru, where I live, I cannot get it to work with 3G. If I lived in USA, is there a way to know with what carrier I would get 3G ?
alejo1575 said:
I bought my HTC HD2 in USA (unlocked) and here in Peru, where I live, I cannot get it to work with 3G. If I lived in USA, is there a way to know with what carrier I would get 3G ?
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So you are on Claro in Peru?
For 3G you need a phone with 3G 1900 support. If it is the T-Mobile version, that would have 3G on 1700/2100 bands which would be no good. If you got an AT&T handset (850/1900) it would work for 3G for you.
You need to understand what 3G support your version of the phone has. For example mine (Telstra Australia) is 850/2100 - which would not be able to pick up 3G in your network - however it works excellent with Telstra (850) in Australia and currently working well with StarHub (2100) in Singapore.
Your phone is quad band - but that is GSM quadband not 3G - it is 3G dual band and that is what is important for your connection.
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See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_UMTS_networks for list of 3G networks...
Yeah ...bad news
tallmantim said:
So you are on Claro in Peru?
For 3G you need a phone with 3G 1900 support. If it is the T-Mobile version, that would have 3G on 1700/2100 bands which would be no good. If you got an AT&T handset (850/1900) it would work for 3G for you.
You need to understand what 3G support your version of the phone has. For example mine (Telstra Australia) is 850/2100 - which would not be able to pick up 3G in your network - however it works excellent with Telstra (850) in Australia and currently working well with StarHub (2100) in Singapore.
Your phone is quad band - but that is GSM quadband not 3G - it is 3G dual band and that is what is important for your connection.
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See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_UMTS_networks for list of 3G networks...
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Hi tallmantim ....
Thanks for your response. Yeah, today I did my homework and found that my HD2 has UMTS (HSDPA) 900 - 2100 bands, a fact that is not good because Claro and Movistar in Peru operated the 850 - 1900 bands for 3G.
Question: is there a HD2 version with 850 - 1900 band ????
alejo1575 said:
Hi tallmantim ....
Thanks for your response. Yeah, today I did my homework and found that my HD2 has UMTS (HSDPA) 900 - 2100 bands, a fact that is not good because Claro and Movistar in Peru operated the 850 - 1900 bands for 3G.
Question: is there a HD2 version with 850 - 1900 band ????
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No, but the Telstra HD2 will pick up the 850MHz signals where they exist. There is no HD2 with the 1900MHz UMTS band at the moment
lude219 said:
there are billions of threads on this.
3g is radio/hardware dependent. he'll unfortunately be stuck on EDGE.
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Would you mind pointing me in the direction of those BILLIONS of threads.
I've done searchs on hardware dependents, radio/hardware dependents, 3G radio.
There are so many way that is topic could be listed.
I'm finding nothing but my thread now just as before.
theisdept said:
a freind of mine who was given a HD2 as a part of a promotion for use on AT&T 3G network
[...]
Then the question is if we are buying these phone, some through contracts others outright, do we want to told whos service we have to use!!
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Erm, so AT&T gives a phone, for promotion of their service, and at the same time they should allow you to use another network? You've got too much hope there...
alejo1575 said:
Hi tallmantim ....
Thanks for your response. Yeah, today I did my homework and found that my HD2 has UMTS (HSDPA) 900 - 2100 bands, a fact that is not good because Claro and Movistar in Peru operated the 850 - 1900 bands for 3G.
Question: is there a HD2 version with 850 - 1900 band ????
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yea my friend my phone is , and i am here with t mobile suffering from same problem like u , i bought that phone which is compatible with Asia , not here in usa
is there way to exchange??
mine is
Network HSPA/WCDMA:
900/2100 MHz
Up to 2 Mbps upload and 7.2 Mbps download speeds
Quad-band GSM/GPRS/EDGE:
850/900/1800/1900 MHz
(Band frequency, HSPA availability, and data speed are
operator dependen)
egypro said:
is there way to exchange??
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exchange your phone for cash
exchange that cash for a phone that supports the correct bands.
Hi,
The official specs of T-mobile's HD2 says that the supported 3G bands are: WCDMA/HSPA: 1700 MHz (AWS) / 2100 MHz
Does it mean it will work on European 2100 MHz 3G too? Nexus one does so I suspect HD2 could too but as far as I could digg nobody had a straight answer to this question yet.
-AlefSin
actually i asked HTC CS before, and the answer is NO!
european countries WCDMA frequencies are the same with ASIAN countries. So no chance for European countries either.
hmmm I don't know JohnQ. In your attached email HTC is saying China's frequencies are different from the rest of the world so how do you say it's the same as Europe? I don't know much about 3G network in China though.
Just a few weeks back it was annoounced that the US operators had all signed up to migrating to the rest of the wold's GSM standards!
So in time we will all be singing from the same hymn sheet!
Accoridng to Wikipedia, while 3G in China is using the same frequencies as Europe in UMTS-I band, the air interface is different (TD-SCDMA vs TD-CDMA).
(sorry, cannot link to the docs since as junior member cannot embed links yet).
pa49 said:
Just a few weeks back it was annoounced that the US operators had all signed up to migrating to the rest of the wold's GSM standards!
So in time we will all be singing from the same hymn sheet!
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Wow, that's... odd! It seems US operators cannot even agree whinin US and now they all want to use the rest of world's standards! That's so un-american!
At&T, rogers, etc are all using european 3G frequencies, which is why you can use device from europe on their networks.
T-mobile US uses 1700 & 2100 (one for up stream, one for downstream) which is why it won't work on at&t etc or european frequencies.
The t-mobile 3G phones use both 1700 and 2100 at the same time; and they cant use 2100 seperately on other networks.
erm att uses 850/1900,and very few operators use the same,none in Europe use these bands
alefsin said:
hmmm I don't know JohnQ. In your attached email HTC is saying China's frequencies are different from the rest of the world so how do you say it's the same as Europe? I don't know much about 3G network in China though.
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you can check though. google it
Yes it does!
alefsin said:
Hi,
The official specs of T-mobile's HD2 says that the supported 3G bands are: WCDMA/HSPA: 1700 MHz (AWS) / 2100 MHz
Does it mean it will work on European 2100 MHz 3G too? Nexus one does so I suspect HD2 could too but as far as I could digg nobody had a straight answer to this question yet.
-AlefSin
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I've tested mine on a 3G only network (2100mhz) and it works fine. What I mean by "only" is that the Digi Mobil in Romania works only on 2100Mhz.
I hope it helps!
GG
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you can check though. google it
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I did, check post #5
Well, it seems the answer is negative. I asked HTC:
Hi, I'm very excited about HTC HD2 on T-Mobile USA. However there is a cruicial question taht I could not find an answer for yet: Should I get this phone, when I travel to Europe, can I use 3G? The specs say this phone will support AWS/2100 MHz UMTS. Since the 2100 MHz is the dominant frequency for western european 3G networks, does it mean this phone would work on their 3G networks? Nobody at T-mobile's support could answer me so I hope you could solve this mystery.
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And they answered:
Thank you for contacting HTC Technical Assistance Center. I understand the importance in researching a phone before you purchase it. This is a unusual situation and one T-mobile may not have been experienced with. For T-mobiles network the phone will be using the 1700 and 2100 bands. Although the 2100 band is common world wide. allowing the phone to pick up the edge network. T-mobile uses the 1700 for there 3G services. This band as far as we are aware is only used by T-mobile when it comes to major carriers world wide. More then likely the phone would not be able to pick up 3g if taken over seas.
However. T-mobile dose have a few branches in Europe. You may wish to check with them to see what bands they use for 3G, and if they have had any conflicts with American phones.
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wmfreak said:
I've tested mine on a 3G only network (2100mhz) and it works fine. What I mean by "only" is that the Digi Mobil in Romania works only on 2100Mhz.
I hope it helps!
GG
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But T-mobile's HD2 is not out yet! Are you sure you didn't test European HD2?
OK things are starting to get weird. I received a negative answer from HTC's customer support but then I found USA T-mobile G1 users that reported their phones were working on 2100 MHz 3G in Europe (G1 like US T-mobile version of HD2 only supports 1700/2100 MHz 3G). I need to buy a phone and these contradictory reports leave me confused
Here is what T-mobile says in the specs sheet of the new HD2:
Band (frequency): 850 MHz;900 MHz;1800 MHz;1900 MHz;UMTS: Band I (2100);UMTS: Band IV (AWS);UMTS: Band IV (1700/2100)
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Isn't it interesting that 2100 Mhz is listed both separately and in with combintaion with 1700 Mhz?
JohnQ said:
actually i asked HTC CS before, and the answer is NO!
european countries WCDMA frequencies are the same with ASIAN countries. So no chance for European countries either.
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nice email address you have in that picture John
I tested my unlocked TMOUS HD2 in Sweden using 3's network and worked like a charm in 3G
Bit of a bump here as I'm trying to use my unlocked US T-Mobile HD2 with Orange in France and I can't do better than Edge (it went down to GPRS at one point...). I guess it could come down to spotty reception but I do get 3G speeds in my current location with an iPhone 3GS so I'm not so sure...
I'm using the AmericanAndroid ROM, maybe that's why my speed is throttled ;-)
I am using HD2 T-mobile in Serbia and i have no problem with conection or data speed.
I was on vacation and i didnt use Wifi ,and i used the phone all the time on 3G - the 3G network is incredibly fast, I even think that it is twice as fast as the EU HD2, which I used before..
Thanks, will check again then, maybe bad reception then!
I have an unlocked Rogers Magic that I have been using for more than a year now. Everything was fine until I started travelling on work to Japan and Korea.
In those 2 countries I had never gotten a signal no matter what setting I tried to put it on. Even going into the band selection using *#*#4636#*#* it didnt work.
I saw something on the web about the Rogers Magic not having the same supported frequencies as what is used in Japan.
What bands does the Rogers Magic support? close
HSPA/WCDMA: 850/1900 MHz-Up to 7.2 Mbps down-link and 2 Mbps up-link speeds
Quad-band GSM/GPRS/EDGE:
850/900/1800/1900 MHz
(from HTC site)
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800 and 1700 for Japan (Docomo and Emobile)
(from wiki)
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Is there no way I can get it to work in those two countries?
Thank you for any help that can be offered.
cainester said:
I have an unlocked Rogers Magic that I have been using for more than a year now. Everything was fine until I started travelling on work to Japan and Korea.
In those 2 countries I had never gotten a signal no matter what setting I tried to put it on. Even going into the band selection using *#*#4636#*#* it didnt work.
I saw something on the web about the Rogers Magic not having the same supported frequencies as what is used in Japan.
Is there no way I can get it to work in those two countries?
Thank you for any help that can be offered.
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Nope. It has to have the same frenquency to get on those network. This model is designed for European and North American bands. Any country (in the 228) using GSM (tri or quad band) should work.
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Docomo (North America use UMTS1800(Band II) technology.)
Docomo provides 2G (mova) PDC cellular services in 800 MHz and 1.5 GHz bands (total 34 MHz bandwidth), and 3G FOMA W-CDMA services in the 2 GHz (UMTS2100) and 800 MHz(UMTS800(Band VI)) and 1800 MHz(UMTS1800(Band IX)) bands.
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Emobile is UMTS1700 only.
silvertag said:
Nope. It has to have the same frenquency to get on those network. This model is designed for European and North American bands. Any country (in the 228) using GSM (tri or quad band) should work.
EDIT:
Docomo (North America use UMTS1800(Band II) technology.)
Emobile is UMTS1700 only.
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Thanks for the reply.
So with your information you mean Japanese Docomo should offer a UMTS1800 as well so my phone should work there?
cainester said:
Thanks for the reply.
So with your information you mean Japanese Docomo should offer a UMTS1800 as well so my phone should work there?
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No they have the 1800Mhz band but they use a different version. Rogers Magic is on UMTS1800 Band II (2). Docomo is using UMTS1800 Band IX (9). Since it is not the same technology (and probably not the same chip) it won't connect.
Docomo is prototyping a 8 band amplifier so it can range from the 700Mhz to 2.5Ghz but there is nothing mainstream for now. If it works and can be manufactured they could offer this in the future. For now you should look a basic phone working on their network.
http://www.nttdocomo.com/pr/2010/001466.html
silvertag said:
No they have the 1800Mhz band but they use a different version. Rogers Magic is on UMTS1800 Band II (2). Docomo is using UMTS1800 Band IX (9). Since it is not the same technology (and probably not the same chip) it won't connect.
Docomo is prototyping a 8 band amplifier so it can range from the 700Mhz to 2.5Ghz but there is nothing mainstream for now. If it works and can be manufactured they could offer this in the future. For now you should look a basic phone working on their network.
http://www.nttdocomo.com/pr/2010/001466.html
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Thanks a lot silvertag for the help.
At least now I know there's no hope for my Magic to work there...!
The only Magic you could find there that works is the HT-03A for the foma band.
http://www.nttdocomo.co.jp/product/foma/pro/ht03a/
Hey everyone i was just wondering if it's possible for me to get 3g working on my legend. It is an international legend and I am on rogers canada network. Any help whatsoever would be greatly appreciated.
I don't think it will work. The international version uses a different band (900/2100) I believe.
GroovyBear said:
I don't think it will work. The international version uses a different band (900/2100) I believe.
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Thanks for the reply... the back of the box says this:
Network - HSPA/WCDMA (900/2100 MHz)
GSM/GPRS/EDGE (850/900/1800/1900 MHz) Which is what i thought rogers was.
Rogers GSM network operates on the frequencies of 850/1900 MHz so your 3g should work. Are you running stock rom or a custom rom? Do you know if your phone is rooted? If it's rooted and or you are running a custom rom then make sure your are running the last radio for your device..
Rogers uses 850/1900 HSPA bands not 900/2100 HSPA bands.
You will only get EDGE data.
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Rogers uses 850/1900 HSPA bands not 900/2100 HSPA bands.
You will only get EDGE data.
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Hmm that's a shame... would you happen to know if it could be used on any other networks with 3g? like wind?
JMAC323GT said:
Hmm that's a shame... would you happen to know if it could be used on any other networks with 3g? like wind?
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WIND uses 1700 AWS frequency, no providers in Canada use those two frequencies (and god knows why NCIX and other stores are selling the European version to Canadians.) You should really read up on these things before buying a phone.
yeah thanks... i was never told it was an international phone.
Hey guys,
Looking at pre-ordering the unlocked version of the DVP from Clove but I'm not sure whether it is going to work in Canada =/.
I've looked at all the Canadian cell phone providers (Telus, Fido, Bell, Rogers) and it doesn't seem like they are compatible with the 3G band on the Dell Venue Pro (900/2100).
Canadian providers seem to require 850/1900 or 1700.
So uh...is it worth buying the phone? Anyone think it will work?
Does the phone need to be 3G compatible to work? (Telus seems to say that your phone NEEDS to be 3G+ compatible).
Thanks,
-Sean
Se4nH4x said:
Hey guys,
Looking at pre-ordering the unlocked version of the DVP from Clove but I'm not sure whether it is going to work in Canada =/.
I've looked at all the Canadian cell phone providers (Telus, Fido, Bell, Rogers) and it doesn't seem like they are compatible with the 3G band on the Dell Venue Pro (900/2100).
Canadian providers seem to require 850/1900 or 1700.
So uh...is it worth buying the phone? Anyone think it will work?
Does the phone need to be 3G compatible to work? (Telus seems to say that your phone NEEDS to be 3G+ compatible).
Thanks,
-Sean
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NOP.. it wont work.. it works but no 3g u would pick EDGE.. UK are 900/2100
ajftl said:
NOP.. it wont work.. it works but no 3g u would pick EDGE.. UK are 900/2100
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is 3G necessary for smartphones?
I've never had a smartphone before. right now I'm just using an old flip phone.
Would the phone need to have 3G in order for me to bring it to a carrier and add a sim card + plan?
Se4nH4x said:
is 3G necessary for smartphones?
I've never had a smartphone before. right now I'm just using an old flip phone.
Would the phone need to have 3G in order for me to bring it to a carrier and add a sim card + plan?
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Yea, 3G would be pretty much a necessity, as the next best available connection you would get is edge, which is much slower.
For $989 this site claims to have a Telstra NextG compatible version up for grabs:
http://www.mobicity.com.au/dell-venue-pro.html
I have been using a Telstra HD2 on Telus which gives me 3G+ for a while so I would assume this one would also work. But then again I could be wrong as the bands don't look right..
So it does work if i only use for 2G cell phone service with Fido (no internet), right?
I can use WIFI only.
pistol44 said:
For $989 this site claims to have a Telstra NextG compatible version up for grabs:
http://www.mobicity.com.au/dell-venue-pro.html
I have been using a Telstra HD2 on Telus which gives me 3G+ for a while so I would assume this one would also work. But then again I could be wrong as the bands don't look right..
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That phone has 900/1900/2100 3G bands which is not supported in Canada.
You need 850 or 1700 for it to work in Canada >.>
Se4nH4x said:
That phone has 900/1900/2100 3G bands which is not supported in Canada.
You need 850 or 1700 for it to work in Canada >.>
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no your wroung,
you need 850/1900 UMTS/HSPA if you want to use rogers, fido, bell, telus, virgin, koodo, on 3g
you need 850/1900 GSM if you want to use rogers/fido with no 3g
if you want to use wind mobile you need 1700/2100 UMTS/HSPA (same as t-mobile)
jul644 said:
no your wroung,
you need 850/1900 UMTS/HSPA if you want to use rogers, fido, bell, telus, virgin, koodo, on 3g
you need 850/1900 GSM if you want to use rogers/fido with no 3g
if you want to use wind mobile you need 1700/2100 UMTS/HSPA (same as t-mobile)
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well my point was that it has no supported 3G bands.
I want to take full advantage of 3G.
Finally!
Got official info!
http://www.dell.com/us/p/mobile-venue-pro/pd
Bands
UMTS 900/1700/2100
GSM/EDGE 850/900/1800/1900
HSDPA 7.2Mbps/HSUPA 5.76 Mbps
There's that 1700/2100 that I need!
Yay!