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January 22nd North American 850MHz HSPA 3G Blackstone...

Saw this news story, does anyone know if it is credible? The NextG Service is on the 850MHz band which is the same as Rogers/Fido in Canada and Cingular in the US...if all this is true then one of these unlocked would be 3G Compatible in North America...Thoughts?
http://apcmag.com/iphonelike_htc_touch_hd_set_for_aussie_launch.htm
http://www.expansys.com.au/d.aspx?i=173812

Well that would suck for me because about 3 hours ago I got an iPhone because I really needed 3g already I do ally of browsing and videos but I like the touch he better....

What is the exact issue with North America and the Touch HD? I thought HSDPA was fully supported in our continent under most major providers. Just curious as I'm looking at purchasing one in the future.

Lokosis said:
What is the exact issue with North America and the Touch HD? I thought HSDPA was fully supported in our continent under most major providers. Just curious as I'm looking at purchasing one in the future.
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The Touch HD that is out now operates on UMTS 900/2100. Telstra in Australia and the North American providers (except T-Mobile) use UMTS 850.

hopefully it is just some software that HTC did. cuz we do have that option to change it to 850MHz 3G in the phone but just nothing happens to it. If a flash can fix it then it should be ok. EDGE for me is pretty fast anyways in Toronto most of the time.

b-e-a-s-t said:
Saw this news story, does anyone know if it is credible? The NextG Service is on the 850MHz band which is the same as Rogers/Fido in Canada and Cingular in the US...if all this is true then one of these unlocked would be 3G Compatible in North America...Thoughts?
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850 mHz is just one of the 2 bands needed to work on US 3G. you also need 1900 . my understanding is one band is for upload the other for download. don't get me wrong, it would be fantastic if the Aussie version was fully capable on US networks. i'll believe it when i see it. heck, expansys even has a note saying they have to confirm the 850mHz 3G band.

850/1900Mhz....
could someone please explain the upload/download at different frequencies paradigm to me?

cortez.i said:
850 mHz is just one of the 2 bands needed to work on US 3G. you also need 1900 . my understanding is one band is for upload the other for download. don't get me wrong, it would be fantastic if the Aussie version was fully capable on US networks. i'll believe it when i see it. heck, expansys even has a note saying they have to confirm the 850mHz 3G band.
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This is incorrect. With at&t you do not need both. With just 850mHz you will be more than fine.
Now with T-Mobile you would need both 1700 and 2100 not just 2100 or just 1700 both. Just more reason to hate T-Mobile.

I am ready to take the plunge and drop the $ for an HD. I also will switch my number back to at&t from verizon. I guessi cna say almost ready. I really dont want to spend $800 for no 3G

Does anyone know how hspa in Canada with Rogers/Fido works? i.e. are dual frequencies required or is 850MHz enough to get top speeds? Thanks...

Has anyone brought one into the US and had any success getting a 3G signal ?

Some carriers in the US and Canada use 850mhz such as AT&T and Rogers but they also use 1900mhz. It really depends where you live... Whiich city, state etc
1900mhz is growing in popularity in the states.

tbfl said:
Has anyone brought one into the US and had any success getting a 3G signal ?
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Doesnt work

b-e-a-s-t said:
could someone please explain the upload/download at different frequencies paradigm to me?
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I can't remember which but one is used for uploading and one is used for downloading.
cortez.i said:
850 mHz is just one of the 2 bands needed to work on US 3G. you also need 1900 . my understanding is one band is for upload the other for download. don't get me wrong, it would be fantastic if the Aussie version was fully capable on US networks. i'll believe it when i see it. heck, expansys even has a note saying they have to confirm the 850mHz 3G band.
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You are exactly right. YOu need both 1900 and 850mhz
tbfl said:
Has anyone brought one into the US and had any success getting a 3G signal ?
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Sadly, no 3G for me.

You do not need both 1900 and 850. Its only tmobile that u need both frequenes but they use 1700 and 2100. As long as u have ether 850 or 1900 (depending on what freuency ur area uses) u will have 3g with at&t.

cortez.i said:
850 mHz is just one of the 2 bands needed to work on US 3G. you also need 1900 . my understanding is one band is for upload the other for download. don't get me wrong, it would be fantastic if the Aussie version was fully capable on US networks. i'll believe it when i see it. heck, expansys even has a note saying they have to confirm the 850mHz 3G band.
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No, the *network* you use may be present on more than one frequency, but its not 850 being uplink and 1700 being the downlink.
When we talk about UMTS the downlink is around 850/1700/2100 but the uplink is always a few MHz below that. (to be pedantic, the UMTS specification specifies the exact downlink/uplink separation)
I can't imagine HTC producing a UMTS 850 phone that won't work on ATT/Rogers and Telstra . Telstra only needs the 850 band so HTC can add in whatever extra the US providers use. It will probably be the same bands supported by the HTC Hermes and other phones common to these providers.

for AT&T, you do NOT need both frequencies (850 and 1900) for 3G. They don't HAVE both frequencies in most areas. It's one or the other.
And yes, T-Mobile US sucks ass...
-Mc

Tremere said:
No, the *network* you use may be present on more than one frequency, but its not 850 being uplink and 1700 being the downlink.
When we talk about UMTS the downlink is around 850/1700/2100 but the uplink is always a few MHz below that. (to be pedantic, the UMTS specification specifies the exact downlink/uplink separation)
I can't imagine HTC producing a UMTS 850 phone that won't work on ATT/Rogers and Telstra . Telstra only needs the 850 band so HTC can add in whatever extra the US providers use. It will probably be the same bands supported by the HTC Hermes and other phones common to these providers.
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McHale said:
for AT&T, you do NOT need both frequencies (850 and 1900) for 3G. They don't HAVE both frequencies in most areas. It's one or the other.
And yes, T-Mobile US sucks ass...
-Mc
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Well I stand corrected then. This is good news then. Just need somebody in the US to buy a Telstra HD and see if it works. I guess it will be dependent on the area though. If you don't have 850mhz.

Lol i guess it took a senor member to say it for anyone to believe it. I only said it in the first page lol. Lets see what happens when the aus model comes out.

So it is decided then IF the Blackstone is introduced by Telstra and working on their 850MHz 3.5G Network THEN it has the opportunity to work in both the US on Att and Canada's Rogers/Fido...I will wait for this device, purchase it and let the board know if someone else doesn't beat me to it!
P.S. does someone think that this release may be with the Android OS for Telstra? It was the Telstra reps that were commenting at CES 2009 regarding Palm Pre and how the next Android phone that they were testing kicks it...who knows probably coincidence...

3G Networks hardware LOCKING to each carrier by HTC

Among those of you with a deap knowledge of the inner working of HTC phone for 3G networks.
Is HTC doing something to phones for each carrier to lock the phone to a specific carriers 3G network and no other.
I'm asking because I was talking with a freind of mine who was given a HD2 as a part of a promotion for use on AT&T 3G network (850/2100). He uses T-Mobile and tried to get it to work with his T-Mobile SIM with no success. He also told me he had a conversation with someone from HTC that told him that he would no beable to get his HD2 to work on T-Mobile because the hardware will not work with T-Mobiles 3G network (1700/2100).
If this is the case does anyone know if it changable, is it a Firmware issue that can be changed or is it like hard wired physically?
Then the question is if we are buying these phone, some through contracts others outright, do we want to told whos service we have to use!!
Lets have some good discussion...

there are billions of threads on this.
3g is radio/hardware dependent. he'll unfortunately be stuck on EDGE.

He will have no issues using the phone with T-mobile usa. He will not get 3G because of the bands. He will just have edge. But calls, mms, text, email, and internet will all function properly.

Clarify this please
I bought my HTC HD2 in USA (unlocked) and here in Peru, where I live, I cannot get it to work with 3G. If I lived in USA, is there a way to know with what carrier I would get 3G ?

alejo1575 said:
I bought my HTC HD2 in USA (unlocked) and here in Peru, where I live, I cannot get it to work with 3G. If I lived in USA, is there a way to know with what carrier I would get 3G ?
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So you are on Claro in Peru?
For 3G you need a phone with 3G 1900 support. If it is the T-Mobile version, that would have 3G on 1700/2100 bands which would be no good. If you got an AT&T handset (850/1900) it would work for 3G for you.
You need to understand what 3G support your version of the phone has. For example mine (Telstra Australia) is 850/2100 - which would not be able to pick up 3G in your network - however it works excellent with Telstra (850) in Australia and currently working well with StarHub (2100) in Singapore.
Your phone is quad band - but that is GSM quadband not 3G - it is 3G dual band and that is what is important for your connection.
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See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_UMTS_networks for list of 3G networks...

Yeah ...bad news
tallmantim said:
So you are on Claro in Peru?
For 3G you need a phone with 3G 1900 support. If it is the T-Mobile version, that would have 3G on 1700/2100 bands which would be no good. If you got an AT&T handset (850/1900) it would work for 3G for you.
You need to understand what 3G support your version of the phone has. For example mine (Telstra Australia) is 850/2100 - which would not be able to pick up 3G in your network - however it works excellent with Telstra (850) in Australia and currently working well with StarHub (2100) in Singapore.
Your phone is quad band - but that is GSM quadband not 3G - it is 3G dual band and that is what is important for your connection.
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Hi tallmantim ....
Thanks for your response. Yeah, today I did my homework and found that my HD2 has UMTS (HSDPA) 900 - 2100 bands, a fact that is not good because Claro and Movistar in Peru operated the 850 - 1900 bands for 3G.
Question: is there a HD2 version with 850 - 1900 band ????

alejo1575 said:
Hi tallmantim ....
Thanks for your response. Yeah, today I did my homework and found that my HD2 has UMTS (HSDPA) 900 - 2100 bands, a fact that is not good because Claro and Movistar in Peru operated the 850 - 1900 bands for 3G.
Question: is there a HD2 version with 850 - 1900 band ????
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No, but the Telstra HD2 will pick up the 850MHz signals where they exist. There is no HD2 with the 1900MHz UMTS band at the moment

lude219 said:
there are billions of threads on this.
3g is radio/hardware dependent. he'll unfortunately be stuck on EDGE.
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Would you mind pointing me in the direction of those BILLIONS of threads.
I've done searchs on hardware dependents, radio/hardware dependents, 3G radio.
There are so many way that is topic could be listed.
I'm finding nothing but my thread now just as before.

theisdept said:
a freind of mine who was given a HD2 as a part of a promotion for use on AT&T 3G network
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Then the question is if we are buying these phone, some through contracts others outright, do we want to told whos service we have to use!!
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Erm, so AT&T gives a phone, for promotion of their service, and at the same time they should allow you to use another network? You've got too much hope there...

alejo1575 said:
Hi tallmantim ....
Thanks for your response. Yeah, today I did my homework and found that my HD2 has UMTS (HSDPA) 900 - 2100 bands, a fact that is not good because Claro and Movistar in Peru operated the 850 - 1900 bands for 3G.
Question: is there a HD2 version with 850 - 1900 band ????
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yea my friend my phone is , and i am here with t mobile suffering from same problem like u , i bought that phone which is compatible with Asia , not here in usa
is there way to exchange??
mine is
Network HSPA/WCDMA:
900/2100 MHz
Up to 2 Mbps upload and 7.2 Mbps download speeds
Quad-band GSM/GPRS/EDGE:
850/900/1800/1900 MHz
(Band frequency, HSPA availability, and data speed are
operator dependen)

egypro said:
is there way to exchange??
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exchange your phone for cash
exchange that cash for a phone that supports the correct bands.

Will T-Mobile HD2 work on AT&T 3G?

I've read that the European HD2 (T8585) runs 3G on 900 and 2100.
I've also read that the Australian HD2 runs 3G on 850 and 2100.
AT&T appears to offer 3G on 850 and 1900, which is why the European model does not run 3G on AT&T, but the Australian version does.
What frequencies does T-Mobile offer 3G service on, and will EITHER the Euro or the Aussie version of the HD2 operate on T-Mobile?
Also, will the new T-Mobile HD2 work on AT&T's 3G frequencies?
I've tried to figure this out from posts and the wiki, but can't. Can someone please dispel my confusion? THANKS!

European version can select
frequents:
GSM : (900+1800)+UMTS(2100+900)
GSM : (1900+850)
UMTS : (2100+900)
networktype:
Auto
GSM
WCDMA

No sorry
Unfortunately no, because T-Mobile uses 1700Mhz
Check out the T-Mobile HD2 here

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Unfortunately no, because T-Mobile uses 1700Mhz
Check out the T-Mobile HD2 here
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Sorry to bring up an old thread, but according to T-mobiles site, it will support 850 and 1900 which are at&t's bands right? http://www.t-mobile.com/shop/phones/Cell-Phone-Detail.aspx?cell-phone=HTC-HD2

dlphnkiller said:
Sorry to bring up an old thread, but according to T-mobiles site, it will support 850 and 1900 which are at&t's bands right? http://www.t-mobile.com/shop/phones/Cell-Phone-Detail.aspx?cell-phone=HTC-HD2
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but that's gsm not umts

dlphnkiller said:
Sorry to bring up an old thread, but according to T-mobiles site, it will support 850 and 1900 which are at&t's bands right? http://www.t-mobile.com/shop/phones/Cell-Phone-Detail.aspx?cell-phone=HTC-HD2
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those are edge bands, it will work on at&t edge but not 3g

Wrong thread

Flash rom = AT&T 3G
j23a45m said:
those are edge bands, it will work on at&t edge but not 3g
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I thought if you flash the rom, you can get AT&T 3G.

a_ok2me said:
I thought if you flash the rom, you can get AT&T 3G.
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No, absolutely not.
The radio inside the TMo HD2 will never work with AT&T's 3G bands. It will work with AT&T's EDGE service, but nothing faster.

any chance to flash radio , and get it done...... a mean make it work?????

zoom4zam said:
any chance to flash radio , and get it done...... a mean make it work?????
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Nope. It's a hardware thing, not a software fix.

[Ask] How to enabling 3G/hsdpa capped?

I bought this HTC Aria from USA and use it at my country (Indonesia) But unfortunately the signal is capped to search only gprs or edge, cannot hooked to 3G or hsdpa network..
I also have the asian market Aria, that works perfect in "wcdma only" netwotk. It don't have at&t logo on the upper right screen.
Question is how to make this at&t Aria working on my country wcdma network, bcoz I think that hardware already supported.. I just don't know how to hack it
I believe that its all about software or radio file or something like that , so I put my question here in this sub thread.. So sorry if I do a wrong post.
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I think it is more a frequency issue than a lock issue. This is a world phone and no frequencies are locked. But if your carrier doesn't use the same 3G frequencies, it will not work on 3G. The 3G frequencies for the Aria are 850mhz and 1900mhz. Your carrier is probably using 900mhz and 2100mhz for 3G. Your only fix (if this is your issue) is to either buy another phone or change carriers.

Not to threadjack, but do any US carriers use the [apparenlty] more common 900/2100mhz for 3G?

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Not to threadjack, but do any US carriers use the [apparenlty] more common 900/2100mhz for 3G?
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Nope. Neither AT&T or T-Mobile use 900/2100 for their 3G frequencies. AT&T uses 850/1900 and T-Mobile uses 1700(AWS).

The Aria should work
HSPA/UMTS/EDGE/GPRS/GSM; Dual Mode UMTS/HSDPA/HSUPA (1900/850MHZ) & GSM/GPRS/EDGE (Quad band 850/900/1800/1900MHZ); HSDPA/UMTS (3GPP Release 5 Compliant; 7.2 Mbps Enabled) EGPRS Functionality
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It's supposed to be a quad band.

No the HTC aria is not quadband for 3g or hsdpa. Basically there is a US versiont the 850/1900 . In Taiwan they released another version with the 900/2100. So if where you live doesn't have a place that uses the 850/1900 your basically stuck w/ 2g speeds.

Will the UK version work in Canada?

Hey guys,
Looking at pre-ordering the unlocked version of the DVP from Clove but I'm not sure whether it is going to work in Canada =/.
I've looked at all the Canadian cell phone providers (Telus, Fido, Bell, Rogers) and it doesn't seem like they are compatible with the 3G band on the Dell Venue Pro (900/2100).
Canadian providers seem to require 850/1900 or 1700.
So uh...is it worth buying the phone? Anyone think it will work?
Does the phone need to be 3G compatible to work? (Telus seems to say that your phone NEEDS to be 3G+ compatible).
Thanks,
-Sean

Se4nH4x said:
Hey guys,
Looking at pre-ordering the unlocked version of the DVP from Clove but I'm not sure whether it is going to work in Canada =/.
I've looked at all the Canadian cell phone providers (Telus, Fido, Bell, Rogers) and it doesn't seem like they are compatible with the 3G band on the Dell Venue Pro (900/2100).
Canadian providers seem to require 850/1900 or 1700.
So uh...is it worth buying the phone? Anyone think it will work?
Does the phone need to be 3G compatible to work? (Telus seems to say that your phone NEEDS to be 3G+ compatible).
Thanks,
-Sean
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NOP.. it wont work.. it works but no 3g u would pick EDGE.. UK are 900/2100

ajftl said:
NOP.. it wont work.. it works but no 3g u would pick EDGE.. UK are 900/2100
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is 3G necessary for smartphones?
I've never had a smartphone before. right now I'm just using an old flip phone.
Would the phone need to have 3G in order for me to bring it to a carrier and add a sim card + plan?

Se4nH4x said:
is 3G necessary for smartphones?
I've never had a smartphone before. right now I'm just using an old flip phone.
Would the phone need to have 3G in order for me to bring it to a carrier and add a sim card + plan?
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Yea, 3G would be pretty much a necessity, as the next best available connection you would get is edge, which is much slower.

For $989 this site claims to have a Telstra NextG compatible version up for grabs:
http://www.mobicity.com.au/dell-venue-pro.html
I have been using a Telstra HD2 on Telus which gives me 3G+ for a while so I would assume this one would also work. But then again I could be wrong as the bands don't look right..

So it does work if i only use for 2G cell phone service with Fido (no internet), right?
I can use WIFI only.

pistol44 said:
For $989 this site claims to have a Telstra NextG compatible version up for grabs:
http://www.mobicity.com.au/dell-venue-pro.html
I have been using a Telstra HD2 on Telus which gives me 3G+ for a while so I would assume this one would also work. But then again I could be wrong as the bands don't look right..
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That phone has 900/1900/2100 3G bands which is not supported in Canada.
You need 850 or 1700 for it to work in Canada >.>

Se4nH4x said:
That phone has 900/1900/2100 3G bands which is not supported in Canada.
You need 850 or 1700 for it to work in Canada >.>
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no your wroung,
you need 850/1900 UMTS/HSPA if you want to use rogers, fido, bell, telus, virgin, koodo, on 3g
you need 850/1900 GSM if you want to use rogers/fido with no 3g
if you want to use wind mobile you need 1700/2100 UMTS/HSPA (same as t-mobile)

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no your wroung,
you need 850/1900 UMTS/HSPA if you want to use rogers, fido, bell, telus, virgin, koodo, on 3g
you need 850/1900 GSM if you want to use rogers/fido with no 3g
if you want to use wind mobile you need 1700/2100 UMTS/HSPA (same as t-mobile)
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well my point was that it has no supported 3G bands.
I want to take full advantage of 3G.

Finally!
Got official info!
http://www.dell.com/us/p/mobile-venue-pro/pd
Bands
UMTS 900/1700/2100
GSM/EDGE 850/900/1800/1900
HSDPA 7.2Mbps/HSUPA 5.76 Mbps
There's that 1700/2100 that I need!
Yay!