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GSM only HD2?!

Did I just buy a HD2 GSM only phone? Never connect to 3G on the new Roger 3G+ network (unlike my X1i). How do I check what version of the HD2 I got?

tjex said:
Did I just buy a HD2 GSM only phone? Never connect to 3G on the new Roger 3G+ network (unlike my X1i). How do I check what version of the HD2 I got?
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There is only one version right now, the GSM UMTS 900/2100 version.

Ah bummer.. that explains it then. No HSDPA 1900!
Back to Edge then, no 3G for us Canucks

tjex said:
Ah bummer.. that explains it then. No HSDPA 1900!
Back to Edge then, no 3G for us Canucks
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Moreover, even when it comes to T-moble in that states 3G will be limited.

band27 said:
Moreover, even when it comes to T-moble in that states 3G will be limited.
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Didn't one of the Canadian networks just start using the 1700 (AWS) band? It may be better for Canadians to wait for the NAM version.

i want to clarify some info i heard

I talked to a rep at radio shack and he said that the hd2 is designed specifically for tmous network and tmous have 2800 band for 3G. so if i use this phone for at&t i won't be able to use at&t 3G because at&t have 1800 band? is this true?

tainle said:
I talked to a rep at radio shack and he said that the hd2 is designed specifically for tmous network and tmous have 2800 band for 3G. so if i use this phone for at&t i won't be able to use at&t 3G because at&t have 1800 band? is this true?
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AT&T uses the 1900MHz band for their 3G right now, but are planning to change their 850 band to 3G this year. Currently the 850 band is used for Edge.
T-Mobile's 3G service uses the AWS 1700/2100 MHz band, which makes it incompatible with other wireless carriers.
A dual-band phone would be theoretically capable of using the 850MHz band on AT&T to use the new 3G access once it becomes available, but how to do that or if it is possible with this phone is beyond my knowledge.

This is not only true for the HD2, but any 3G-capable phone with just T-Mobile's bands built-in. The reverse is true too, for AT&T phones...which is why you don't see more iphones on tmo than there already are.

tainle said:
I talked to a rep at radio shack and he said that the hd2 is designed specifically for tmous network and tmous have 2800 band for 3G. so if i use this phone for at&t i won't be able to use at&t 3G because at&t have 1800 band? is this true?
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This has been answered so many times, please use search. The TmoUS HD2 will work on At&t but only their Edge

Svegetto said:
This has been answered so many times, please use search. The TmoUS HD2 will work on At&t but only their Edge
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if i do that, then most forum only have 2-3 page of threads ^,^

tainle said:
if i do that, then most forum only have 2-3 page of threads ^,^
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That may be but it is part of the rules. A search would have answered your question without opening a new thread.

International legend on rogers 3g not working?

Hey everyone i was just wondering if it's possible for me to get 3g working on my legend. It is an international legend and I am on rogers canada network. Any help whatsoever would be greatly appreciated.

I don't think it will work. The international version uses a different band (900/2100) I believe.

GroovyBear said:
I don't think it will work. The international version uses a different band (900/2100) I believe.
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Thanks for the reply... the back of the box says this:
Network - HSPA/WCDMA (900/2100 MHz)
GSM/GPRS/EDGE (850/900/1800/1900 MHz) Which is what i thought rogers was.

Rogers GSM network operates on the frequencies of 850/1900 MHz so your 3g should work. Are you running stock rom or a custom rom? Do you know if your phone is rooted? If it's rooted and or you are running a custom rom then make sure your are running the last radio for your device..

Rogers uses 850/1900 HSPA bands not 900/2100 HSPA bands.
You will only get EDGE data.

1point8t said:
Rogers uses 850/1900 HSPA bands not 900/2100 HSPA bands.
You will only get EDGE data.
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Hmm that's a shame... would you happen to know if it could be used on any other networks with 3g? like wind?

JMAC323GT said:
Hmm that's a shame... would you happen to know if it could be used on any other networks with 3g? like wind?
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WIND uses 1700 AWS frequency, no providers in Canada use those two frequencies (and god knows why NCIX and other stores are selling the European version to Canadians.) You should really read up on these things before buying a phone.

yeah thanks... i was never told it was an international phone.

Will the UK version work in Canada?

Hey guys,
Looking at pre-ordering the unlocked version of the DVP from Clove but I'm not sure whether it is going to work in Canada =/.
I've looked at all the Canadian cell phone providers (Telus, Fido, Bell, Rogers) and it doesn't seem like they are compatible with the 3G band on the Dell Venue Pro (900/2100).
Canadian providers seem to require 850/1900 or 1700.
So uh...is it worth buying the phone? Anyone think it will work?
Does the phone need to be 3G compatible to work? (Telus seems to say that your phone NEEDS to be 3G+ compatible).
Thanks,
-Sean

Se4nH4x said:
Hey guys,
Looking at pre-ordering the unlocked version of the DVP from Clove but I'm not sure whether it is going to work in Canada =/.
I've looked at all the Canadian cell phone providers (Telus, Fido, Bell, Rogers) and it doesn't seem like they are compatible with the 3G band on the Dell Venue Pro (900/2100).
Canadian providers seem to require 850/1900 or 1700.
So uh...is it worth buying the phone? Anyone think it will work?
Does the phone need to be 3G compatible to work? (Telus seems to say that your phone NEEDS to be 3G+ compatible).
Thanks,
-Sean
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NOP.. it wont work.. it works but no 3g u would pick EDGE.. UK are 900/2100

ajftl said:
NOP.. it wont work.. it works but no 3g u would pick EDGE.. UK are 900/2100
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is 3G necessary for smartphones?
I've never had a smartphone before. right now I'm just using an old flip phone.
Would the phone need to have 3G in order for me to bring it to a carrier and add a sim card + plan?

Se4nH4x said:
is 3G necessary for smartphones?
I've never had a smartphone before. right now I'm just using an old flip phone.
Would the phone need to have 3G in order for me to bring it to a carrier and add a sim card + plan?
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Yea, 3G would be pretty much a necessity, as the next best available connection you would get is edge, which is much slower.

For $989 this site claims to have a Telstra NextG compatible version up for grabs:
http://www.mobicity.com.au/dell-venue-pro.html
I have been using a Telstra HD2 on Telus which gives me 3G+ for a while so I would assume this one would also work. But then again I could be wrong as the bands don't look right..

So it does work if i only use for 2G cell phone service with Fido (no internet), right?
I can use WIFI only.

pistol44 said:
For $989 this site claims to have a Telstra NextG compatible version up for grabs:
http://www.mobicity.com.au/dell-venue-pro.html
I have been using a Telstra HD2 on Telus which gives me 3G+ for a while so I would assume this one would also work. But then again I could be wrong as the bands don't look right..
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That phone has 900/1900/2100 3G bands which is not supported in Canada.
You need 850 or 1700 for it to work in Canada >.>

Se4nH4x said:
That phone has 900/1900/2100 3G bands which is not supported in Canada.
You need 850 or 1700 for it to work in Canada >.>
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no your wroung,
you need 850/1900 UMTS/HSPA if you want to use rogers, fido, bell, telus, virgin, koodo, on 3g
you need 850/1900 GSM if you want to use rogers/fido with no 3g
if you want to use wind mobile you need 1700/2100 UMTS/HSPA (same as t-mobile)

jul644 said:
no your wroung,
you need 850/1900 UMTS/HSPA if you want to use rogers, fido, bell, telus, virgin, koodo, on 3g
you need 850/1900 GSM if you want to use rogers/fido with no 3g
if you want to use wind mobile you need 1700/2100 UMTS/HSPA (same as t-mobile)
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well my point was that it has no supported 3G bands.
I want to take full advantage of 3G.

Finally!
Got official info!
http://www.dell.com/us/p/mobile-venue-pro/pd
Bands
UMTS 900/1700/2100
GSM/EDGE 850/900/1800/1900
HSDPA 7.2Mbps/HSUPA 5.76 Mbps
There's that 1700/2100 that I need!
Yay!

US T-Mobile's 3G freq vs the rest of the world?

Anyone getting the T-Mobile version tomorrow? With CDMA not SIM capable, and AT&T version still up in the air, I think I'm probably going to get one tomorrow!
I've got question regarding T-Mobile's werid 3G band tho. I think Samsung listed T-Mobile's version as AWS 1700/2100. I know 1700 is weird, but is that AWS 2100 same as the 2100 band that the rest of the world use? Sorry it's my first 3G T-mobile device, and looking on wiki or google is just kinda vague

2100MHz is the band used all across Europe as well as large parts of Asia.
So, yes, the T-Mobile one should give you 3G capability in other parts of the world, though if it's locked that may open up other issues.

Step666 said:
2100MHz is the band used all across Europe as well as large parts of Asia.
So, yes, the T-Mobile one should give you 3G capability in other parts of the world, though if it's locked that may open up other issues.
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I had a TMo US G1, and it worked fine on 3G when I returned to the UK. The converse was not true of my TMo UK G2 (HTC Hero), which would only get Edge in the US because it did not support both bands of AWS (1700/2100).
So, I see no reason why a TMo US shouldn't work pretty much everywhere else in the world where 2100 3G is ubiquitous.
Regards,
Dave

Cool thanks, i guess that AWS threw me off. I thought there were a regular 2100, and then T-Mobile's AWS 2100

Step666 said:
2100MHz is the band used all across Europe as well as large parts of Asia.
So, yes, the T-Mobile one should give you 3G capability in other parts of the world, though if it's locked that may open up other issues.
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Actually you're a bit off. Tmo's 3G runs on AWS 1700/2100 band which is not the same 2100 *frequency* as the rest of the world. Tmo uses 1700 for downloads and 2100 for uploads, so both bands (aws/band IV) are needed.
Now Europe (and rest of GSM world) use straight 2100 band for 3G but the exact frequency is not the same as Tmo's.
Basically a Tmo Galaxy Tab will only get you EDGE outside of the US. An ATT Galaxy Tab will get you 3G in the US and the rest of the world (as long as it's sim unlocked, ofcourse).

LordLugard said:
Basically a Tmo Galaxy Tab will only get you EDGE outside of the US. An ATT Galaxy Tab will get you 3G in the US and the rest of the world (as long as it's sim unlocked, ofcourse).
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No, the T-mobile phones give you also 3G in Europe. All AWS chipsets do both Band I (2100) and Band IV (AWS 1700/2100).

I thought the galaxy tab is quad band, so you can simply swap your sim card with another european carrier and it should work on thier frequency
Am I wrong?

ahbvrh said:
I thought the galaxy tab is quad band, so you can simply swap your sim card with another european carrier and it should work on thier frequency
Am I wrong?
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You're right for 2G, not for 3G

So getting the unlock code for tmobile device and putting AT&T sim card will not give me 3g connectivity (using AT&T network)?

ahbvrh said:
So getting the unlock code for tmobile device and putting AT&T sim card will not give me 3g connectivity (using AT&T network)?
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No, because it doesn't support the 850 or 1900 MHz bands.

Volker1 said:
No, the T-mobile phones give you also 3G in Europe. All AWS chipsets do both Band I (2100) and Band IV (AWS 1700/2100).
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It will not. Pls do some more reading on the subject. There's a very good writeup on it in these forum. Someone explained it better than I've probably done. If I find it I'll link to it.

LordLugard said:
It will not. Pls do some more reading on the subject.
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One could say the same to you.
This is a link to T-Mobile US's support forum, in which someone has had it confirmed from T-Mobile themselves that all devices designed for their network have to be fully compatible with the 2100MHz band, meaning they will give you 3G capabilities in Europe.
Your previous post in which you claim that the 2100MHz band that T-Mobile use is not the same as the 2100MHz band the rest of the world uses is nothing short of ridiculous.
If the band T-Mobile used was different to the one used in the rest of the world, it would not be described as 2100MHz.

LordLugard said:
It will not. Pls do some more reading on the subject. There's a very good writeup on it in these forum. Someone explained it better than I've probably done. If I find it I'll link to it.
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Sorry, but as I already said earlier in this thread, my T-Mobile US G1, which is an AWS device, worked perfectly well in the UK with full 3G. Similarly, I know of people who bought TMo Nexus Ones in the US, and these all worked fine in the UK.
That's not to say there isn't some subtle difference which not all chipsets can cater for, but it is certainly true that many TMo US handsets will give 3G capabilities in Europe.
Regards,
Dave

The normal UMTS 2100 is called "Band I" and t-mobile's AWS is called "Band IV":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMTS_frequency_bands
The AWS 3G module has already 2100MHz support, so there is no additional hardware necessary to support Band I as well. Theoretically it could be disabled, of course, but then T-mobile wouldn't be able to charge you an arm and a leg if you were to roam outside of the US