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Future - How will all this work?

I don't really know too much about root, but I'm wondering how things will work when root is widespread. Will we always have to rely on devs for every future android upgrade or something?

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rocketpaul said:
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I'd assume no, except for perhaps the first one, but I haven't seen it explicitly stated anywhere.

The short version is that there's userland root access. That pretty much means that the what's on the device can be modified, like apps removed etc but afaik there's no bootloader access yet which would be necessary for flashing custom images.
Root will make cracking the bootloader easier though so it's a major step on the way.

Octanum said:
I don't really know too much about root, but I'm wondering how things will work when root is widespread. Will we always have to rely on devs for every future android upgrade or something?
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If its anything like the HTC Dream I had before my Sony X10, the root is a process that keeps your phone rooted. Unless you revert back to the original software, you should never lose it. As for the OS, there usually will be people developing custom ROM's for quite a while on this phone but essentially on that part, yes it does depend on the devs.

Load stock 2.2 on rooted x10?

So i've got my x10 rooted now. Is it possible to download a stock android 2.2 rom and flash it on to the x10? or do we have to wait for more devs stuff to happen before we can load roms on?

iphonepimp said:
So i've got my x10 rooted now. Is it possible to download a stock android 2.2 rom and flash it on to the x10? or do we have to wait for more devs stuff to happen before we can load roms on?
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Rooting is only half the battle, now the custom ROM's have to be created especially for our devices. We are going to require x10 software drivers for froyo.

Will htc at least release 2.3 gingerbread for wildfire?

I am just curious will htc release 2.3 android for wildfire??? Anyone know???
Best regards
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Unlikely. But, this has officially neither been confirmed nor denied. Someone sent a mail to HTC, and, got a standard automated reply "We will notify you if we are providing 2.3 for Wildfire... bla bla bla"
Anyhow, as I said previously, in my personal opinion, it is unlikely. More so now, because the Wildfire S is out.

Good point there... I mean it is kind of strange that we have custom roms for wildfire based on gingerbread that work quite fine,and then we dont have original rom with gingerbread... and then stupidest move of all is to lock bootloader and all that malarky that makes froyo unrootable...
Am I right or wrong???
Sent from my HTC Wildfire using XDA App

dragdusan said:
Good point there... I mean it is kind of strange that we have custom roms for wildfire based on gingerbread that work quite fine,and then we dont have original rom with gingerbread... and then stupidest move of all is to lock bootloader and all that malarky that makes froyo unrootable...
Am I right or wrong???
Sent from my HTC Wildfire using XDA App
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It's to force people to ditch their Wildfire and get their new line of phones. Simple and cold business logic.

why the hell do u need official gingerbread on ur wildfire. the official froyo for wildfire updated the bootloader and implemented greater security on the bootloader, so that no one knows whether it will be rooted or not. 4months of work without any result.
i dont want official gingerbread on my device. and i dont want any further security on my bootloader. need someone to root my wildfire.
the answer to ur question is wildfire is not getting any official gingerbread. the 3 network in UK has already confirmed that.
the reason is simple. wildfire s is releasing this may, which decreases the htc support to the original wildfire.

The hero still got 2.1 after.the desire was out
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brilldoctor said:
The hero still got 2.1 after.the desire was out
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Hero wasn't a budget device but the Wildfire is.
HTC Tattoo for an example is still on 1.6.
Also HTC UK said on facebook, "Because of the capabilities of the wildfire we think its best for now to keep the wildfire on 2.2"
Which makes no sense, Gingerbread is even faster.

bharatgaddameedi said:
why the hell do u need official gingerbread on ur wildfire. the official froyo for wildfire updated the bootloader and implemented greater security on the bootloader, so that no one knows whether it will be rooted or not. 4months of work without any result.
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Err.... I did update to 2.2 official without changing my HBOOT. How? I waited for the modified version without the HBOOT image
I`ll gladly do the same for 2.3 official.

Alex_GP said:
Err.... I did update to 2.2 official without changing my HBOOT. How? I waited for the modified version without the HBOOT image
I`ll gladly do the same for 2.3 official.
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great news dude. it means that even u can still root ur froyo wildfire now. ur patience benefitted u. to be patient is what i learn frm u.
and where is that modified version of official froyo update. can u give me a download link of it.
i think the modified version definately has an updated radio, updated recovery image, and other updated things leaving the HBOOT unupdated. do u face any problems with this issue.
i think the modified update is OTA UPDATE zip file. and in that ota zip file, we will see firmware.zip .
the firmware .zip contains boot.img and HBOOT file
i think u replaced the boot.img and HBOOT with an older version eclair RUU. am i correct
creators of the modified version, pls let me know how u did that.
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oh, sorry i got it.
so, u first had a rooted phone and then u made update with ROOTED OFFICIAL UPDATE.ZIP

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=9890520&postcount=4
it`s v0.0, but i`m running V0.1.

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Gingerbread Sense would be slow on our device. HTC won't do such a stupid thing. They will force people the upgrade the phones.

ShyamSasi said:
Gingerbread Sense would be slow on our device. HTC won't do such a stupid thing. They will force people the upgrade the phones.
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really. how would be the gingerbread sense in custom roms. havent tasted them yet

bharatgaddameedi said:
really. how would be the gingerbread sense in custom roms. havent tasted them yet
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No one has, because Gingerbread Sense does not boot on the Wildfire. Atleast yet.

Gingerbread is pretty light, It has the exact requirements of Froyo.
It will not run slow, there are custom roms that prove that.
HTC is just forcing you to buy a new phone.
I think I'll go Samsung next time.

From my expirence with samsung - DONT!! My tab has had no updates, is laggy (as all other galaxy s devices are) I would reccomend a higher end htc

brilldoctor said:
From my expirence with samsung - DONT!! My tab has had no updates, is laggy (as all other galaxy s devices are) I would reccomend a higher end htc
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I wouldn't. They are all shipping with locked bootloaders now - ala SE. So, if you wish to have stuff like Root and Custom ROM's, not good at all.

Skye Menjou said:
Gingerbread is pretty light, It has the exact requirements of Froyo.
It will not run slow, there are custom roms that prove that.
HTC is just forcing you to buy a new phone.
I think I'll go Samsung next time.
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+1 on samsung. I myself am thinking of getting a Galaxy Ace. Rooted my friend's ace yesterday - it was so easy! Just psneuter (superoneclick) is enough - and you have full system r/w access. Trying to get CWM running on it now

Actually, a lot of the new SE phones are supposed to ship with unlockable bootloaders. As far as I know, anyway. Neo, Arc and Play, at least. These seem to be fairly high-end.
Just wondering whether they will back out soon like they did with PS3's OtherOS option.

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I wouldn't. They are all shipping with locked bootloaders now - ala SE. So, if you wish to have stuff like Root and Custom ROM's, not good at all.
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That's why my tab Is stock. With the wildfire it was as simple as unrevoked and then hit install rom in clockworkmod whilst the Samsung devices you need to mess with odin and there are no rrus to go back to stock
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Request: How to Update to Generic 2.3 from Custom ROM

I am guessing this might be coming from someone once it's released, but it's been a while since I played with my phone and I'm not that tech savy on the latest on these as things are constantly moving/changing.
I'm running a 2.2 Custom ROM and would like to upgrade to the stock generic 2.3 GB once it's released and I have no clue as to the best way to do this. So once it's out, if we can get a decent step by step how to, that would be great.
Thank you.

i would say use the flashtool thread in the dev section, flash a world generic rom and the corresponding baseband. don't root it or anything like that.
sign in, then connect to pc companion and see if the update hits.

Flash stock 2.1 firmware
update your x10 thru SE software

ensure your phone is rooted and xrecovery installed then wait for pre-rooted gb update to come out on here. It will be almost certainly simply bea case of flashing kernal and baseband using flashtool and custom update using xrecovery.
i certainly would not recommend flashing your phone back to stock 2.1 roms at this point in time - if you update to stock gingerbread then rooting may become more tricky and you may well have to go back to 2.1 rooted before you can get a rooted gingerbread - we simply dont know what security fixes will be included in the gingerbread update - so we dont know how easy it will be to root it once you have updated to stock 2.3

step 1. wait for the rom to launch
step 2. go to the gingerbread thread and read!!
step 3. read before posting the same question that's been asked thousands of times already!!

Do you guys know 2.3 update is out?
http://androidos.in/2011/07/sony-ericsson-xperia-x10-gingerbread-update-rolling-out-now/

lekhwani said:
Do you guys know 2.3 update is out?
http://androidos.in/2011/07/sony-ericsson-xperia-x10-gingerbread-update-rolling-out-now/
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Read this.
step 2. go to the gingerbread thread and read!!
step 3. read before posting the same question that's been asked thousands of times already!!
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Then read the stickey in the general section.
Then read the Product Blog.
The 2.3.3 update HAS NOT been rolled out!!!
Sent from my X10 TripNMiUI-IRIS using XDA Premium App

lekhwani said:
Do you guys know 2.3 update is out?
http://androidos.in/2011/07/sony-ericsson-xperia-x10-gingerbread-update-rolling-out-now/
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you might want to read here >> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1186953

Phantasm4489 said:
ensure your phone is rooted and xrecovery installed then wait for pre-rooted gb update to come out on here. It will be almost certainly simply bea case of flashing kernal and baseband using flashtool and custom update using xrecovery.
i certainly would not recommend flashing your phone back to stock 2.1 roms at this point in time - if you update to stock gingerbread then rooting may become more tricky and you may well have to go back to 2.1 rooted before you can get a rooted gingerbread - we simply dont know what security fixes will be included in the gingerbread update - so we dont know how easy it will be to root it once you have updated to stock 2.3
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I'm going for this route as well, wait for a flashtools rootable 2.3. But i don't think it will take much long, the x10 gingerbread rom is based on the one SE worked for the Arc and that was rooted pretty quickly, no?
For those still with stock 2.1 i can understand all the excitement, but for me, i've been using a custom rom with basically the same UI and features for a while, I can wait a little longer.

They were only able to root arc/play/neo 2.3.2 they are still working on a way to root 2.3.3 so far no luck.
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thatsupnow said:
They were only able to root arc/play/neo 2.3.2 they are still working on a way to root 2.3.3 so far no luck.
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If you are referring to using an easy one-click method to root, then yes you are correct.
But there are other ways to achieve root on 2.3.3 which involves flashing.

hush66 said:
If you are referring to using an easy one-click method to root, then yes you are correct.
But there are other ways to achieve root on 2.3.3 which involves flashing.
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Yeah, I was reading the post 2 above this one swearing & shaking my fists, because I'm running j's 2.3.3 rooted rom right now....2.3.3 can be rooted, it's just gonna be a little while before it's a one-click. That's always how it goes
Now that arc, neo, play & x10 are all gonna be 2.3.3, maybe it'll get the ball rolling a little faster on one-click solutions. We do have the largest Xperia dev community in the X10 section, afterall

We can simply "repair" the phone with SEUS. SEUS will download the last version for your device and install it automatically.

Gugoo said:
We can simply "repair" the phone with SEUS. SEUS will download the last version for your device and install it automatically.
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maybe, but only with an unrooted, unbranded generic 2.1 rom SE says to use PCC, which means it will most likely be available for SEUS, too (IIRC, they use the exact same database for the rom updates)

Good info so far. I might sell my phone (or lend it to a friend) and it would obviously sell best with an OEM 2.3 unlocked ROM which is assumingly bug-free for the most part.
So SEUS looks at what is currently on the phone and repairs it to that?

cwepruk said:
Good info so far. I might sell my phone (or lend it to a friend) and it would obviously sell best with an OEM 2.3 unlocked ROM which is assumingly bug-free for the most part.
So SEUS looks at what is currently on the phone and repairs it to that?
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SEUS does the same thing PCC does, but it actually works every time like it should
It reflashes your firmware....and it's saved my ass many, many times If it weren't for SEUS I'd have a bricked phone at least a dozen times over lulz

To update direct to 2.3.3 offical just flash my ftf with flashtool
link below

wesvista said:
To update direct to 2.3.3 offical just flash my ftf with flashtool
link below
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is this the official stock UK 2.3.3 rom?

check the dev section, everyone
doomlord uploaded a flashable pre-rooted GB, not as easy as one-click-root but it's here

DZ could be getting ICS. *source*

http://androidandme.com/2012/02/devices/official-htc-android-4-0-handset-update-list/
And if we don't get an official version, there are definitely enough similar devices listed that we could get a GREAT port

I just saw the link under the post that you linked, which says that the Explorer is on the update list for ICS. If that's true, and the desire z is still not getting an update, i think i'll end up pulling all my hair out!
I really hope we can get an official update still.

Hopefully, the ONE V will give the devs the port material for ICS!

ICS for Desire Z
If we just want an ICS port for DZ, we still have a lot barring some raregraphical glithces, Camera and FM radio. Porting One V will also pose the same problems as HTC uses some different chipset for camera in it. So the drivers maynot be the same for both the devices. Also, One V uses 3rd generation snapdragon whereas our DZ uses 2nd generation processor.
Our best bet is DHD ICS update.
Fingers Crossed !!

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If we just want an ICS port for DZ, we still have a lot barring some raregraphical glithces, Camera and FM radio. Porting One V will also pose the same problems as HTC uses some different chipset for camera in it. So the drivers maynot be the same for both the devices. Also, One V uses 3rd generation snapdragon whereas our DZ uses 2nd generation processor.
Our best bet is DHD ICS update.
Fingers Crossed !!
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The One V is single core, the 3rd generation snapdragons are dual core.
Sent from my HTC Vision using xda premium

DRSdroid said:
http://androidandme.com/2012/02/devices/official-htc-android-4-0-handset-update-list/
And if we don't get an official version, there are definitely enough similar devices listed that we could get a GREAT port
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Okay I am a noob at all this, if my question seems dumb just chalk it up to that.
I have a G2 the link stated that we MAY be getting the update, if you are running CM7 and no longer use standard rom would that still update or do I need to just sit back relax and wait for CM9 ?
I do want to say that since finding this site I have rooted s-off and modded both mine and my wifes G2 and have had no trouble. Just saying thanks to everyone on the site.

Generally custom ROM's like CM7 can not use OTA update functions, that's been turned off by the dev's. But if you wanted to use a Stock Sense 4.0 ROM for our phone (*if* it will be ever released), then you'd probably be better off waiting for a custom release. If you were to use any sort of way to install an official release, whether that is OTA or manual update using an update file then you'd potentially be S-ON'd with pretty much stock everything, potentially a phone that's completely stock, which depending on what's been changed may not be root-able. Surely don't want that!
Now there's no official CM9 dev'ing for our phone as of yet because the CyanogenMod team has stated it will not start dev'ing until official proprietary drivers for our chipset (which is similar to a lot of HTC phones) have been released. So, once official DHD / DS / OneV / SensationXL ICS has been released then the CM team will most likely start dev'ing on CM9 for our phone. Yet, Andromadus, the unofficial CM9 and JIBWich ROM's are the closest thing to CM9 we have as of yet.
With all that said, we will probably be seeing Sense 4.0 ROM's (ports, not official stuff) in the coming days...Matter of fact is, I think we have two dev's trying to port a Sense 4.0 ROM over from the MT4G dev section. So hopefully we will have our chance to play around with Sense 4.0 pretty soon!

crestofawave said:
Generally custom ROM's like CM7 can not use OTA update functions, that's been turned off by the dev's. But if you wanted to use a Stock Sense 4.0 ROM for our phone (*if* it will be ever released), then you'd probably be better off waiting for a custom release. If you were to use any sort of way to install an official release, whether that is OTA or manual update using an update file then you'd potentially be S-ON'd with pretty much stock everything, potentially a phone that's completely stock, which depending on what's been changed may not be root-able. Surely don't want that!
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All that, and installing an OTA on a rooted device may also bootloop the device, or otherwise render it incapable of booting. Don't ever install an OTA on a rooted Android device.
Rooted versions of official updates usually get posted here very soon after the official release, sometimes ever earlier (in the case of leaks which then get rooted, before the official ROM actually hits OTA)! So just be patient, and wait for the a pre-rooted version.

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All that, and installing an OTA on a rooted device may also bootloop the device, or otherwise render it incapable of booting. Don't ever install an OTA on a rooted Android device.
Rooted versions of official updates usually get posted here very soon after the official release, sometimes ever earlier (in the case of leaks which then get rooted, before the official ROM actually hits OTA)! So just be patient, and wait for the a pre-rooted version.
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First the information was of great help, I continue to learn from members, I have no plans to become a dev, however to know is to avoid serious problems later.

I saw an article on engadget stating that Norway, I think, released ics with sense 3.6 to the sensation users. Does that use the same camera as ours? Not sure if that update would help create a stable ics rom for g2
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otariq said:
I saw an article on engadget stating that Norway, I think, released ics with sense 3.6 to the sensation users. Does that use the same camera as ours? Not sure if that update would help create a stable ics rom for g2
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Not the same chipset, no. It's the Sensation XL that will help us more, I think their ICS ROM had already leaked ?
Sent from my Desire Z running CM7.