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Ive always been curious as to if I should root or not root my HTC dream(rogers) is it still possible to do this with the mandatory software upgrade that rogers required for the internet to work? And, if anyone could give me reasons why I should, itd be great
thanks
Zach77 said:
Ive always been curious as to if I should root or not root my HTC dream(rogers) is it still possible to do this with the mandatory software upgrade that rogers required for the internet to work? And, if anyone could give me reasons why I should, itd be great
thanks
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I think a smaller list would be to list why you shouldn't
The List of reason's why not to root your phone:
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The G1 was created to root. It unleashes the potential of the phone. Apps2SD, Sense UI, 2.1, Total Control, Themes, just to name some. Seriously Root that Bia.
This is not a 2.1 speculation thread, I just thought I'd ask it here with all that knowledge floating around.
WHEN (May 7th?) the 2.1 update is OFFICIALLY dropped, will rooted users be pushed the update? Or will it only go out to models registered as running 1.56.
ASSUMING one might want to upgrade and that push comes, you guys think updating might cause any harm to the phone? I'm thinking 1.56RUU..
I don't think I will partake in the official release, I can't imagine it being any better then what I have now, and what will come after that official release is dropped, however I have had this question for a while. So what do you guys think?
I don't think they can actually push a OTW update.....
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This is not a 2.1 speculation thread, I just thought I'd ask it here with all that knowledge floating around.
WHEN (May 7th?) the 2.1 update is OFFICIALLY dropped, will rooted users be pushed the update? Or will it only go out to models registered as running 1.56.
ASSUMING one might want to upgrade and that push comes, you guys think updating might cause any harm to the phone? I'm thinking 1.56RUU..
I don't think I will partake in the official release, I can't imagine it being any better then what I have now, and what will come after that official release is dropped, however I have had this question for a while. So what do you guys think?
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It is not going to be OTA. It will not matter if you are running custom whatever or stock.
If you run the ruu.exe it will load the official 2.1 release on your phone. The only reason it may not work would be if you ran the 2.1 test ruu.exe and for some reason the official release's hboot is lower than 1.47.000 (the hboot that came with the test release).
Other potential nasty side effects you could get with your official release:
No root
Possibly never be able to root again, or at least stuck with no root until a new work around is found. This fully depends on whether old method is patched.
No custom recovery, no custom roms, no ability to flash .zips from recovery. This goes along with the lack of root.
Inability to run 1.56 ruu ever again due to updated hboot.
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It is not going to be OTA. It will not matter if you are running custom whatever or stock.
If you run the ruu.exe it will load the official 2.1 release on your phone. The only reason it may not work would be if you ran the 2.1 test ruu.exe and for some reason the official release's hboot is lower than 1.47.000 (the hboot that came with the test release).
Other nasty side effects you could get with your official release:
No root
Possibly never be able to root again, or at least stuck with no root until a new work around is found.
No custom recovery, no custom roms, no ability to flash .zips from recovery. This goes along with the lack of root.
Inability to run 1.56 ruu ever again due to updated hboot.
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Couldn't have said it better myself! I would just suggest waiting until the cook of your preference updates his to include items from the official release.
And the single most important reason: No nandroid. Having a point in time backup is insanely important to me. If I ever have to return my phone and get a refurb, it's nice to know I've got a nandroid that will get me right back to where I was before I turned in my phone.
It won't be OTA as I have read in more than one place that Sprint limits OTA updates to 9MB. Since this will be close to or over 100MB it's going to be OTW.
I for one will not be updating to it. My phone is working perfectly as is and this would give me no additional functionality so why bother?
As for the whole rooting issue, I wish folks wouldn't be so scared of the new hboot. I used the RUU and I have custom recovery and can flash any ROM I want. Yes, I know the leaked RUU had root already, but I rerooted it properly and installed busybox and all that so I could use the phone how I wanted.
Anyway, sorry to get sidetracked there, my comment about being so scared of the new hboot is simply this...There is no way the new version will not be rooted sooner or later. Obviously Sprint and HTC would like us to not be able to root any phones but someone always finds a way. There is no way that the new firmware will not be rooted sooner or later. Just like how the Evo will get rooted, as will any newer phone released after it. It is inevitable that someone will figure it out especially with all the talented and experienced folks here working on it as soon as it's released.
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It won't be OTA as I have read in more than one place that Sprint limits OTA updates to 9MB. Since this will be close to or over 100MB it's going to be OTW.
I for one will not be updating to it. My phone is working perfectly as is and this would give me no additional functionality so why bother?
As for the whole rooting issue, I wish folks wouldn't be so scared of the new hboot. I used the RUU and I have custom recovery and can flash any ROM I want. Yes, I know the leaked RUU had root already, but I rerooted it properly and installed busybox and all that so I could use the phone how I wanted.
Anyway, sorry to get sidetracked there, my comment about being so scared of the new hboot is simply this...There is no way the new version will not be rooted sooner or later. Obviously Sprint and HTC would like us to not be able to root any phones but someone always finds a way. There is no way that the new firmware will not be rooted sooner or later. Just like how the Evo will get rooted, as will any newer phone released after it. It is inevitable that someone will figure it out especially with all the talented and experienced folks here working on it as soon as it's released.
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One big disadvantage/advantage in our case, is that Linux is open source. Anyone who wants to find a root exploit, and is smart enough has the ability to find out where there is potential code to allow for one. So you are correct, my assumption is that we will find a root for it one day. BUT I do think that if the EVO drops soon after, all of the talent that can find one will be on it. Then again, some people are of the mind set "Leave no device un hacked" and it would bother people if they knew we didn't have root LOL
Correct me if I'm wrong, but won't we be able to simply use an older RUU (1.52, etc) to get the phone rootable again?
My intention was going to be to try out the new stock RUU for a bit, then re-flash with an older RUU, get root and RA recovery back on, then go back to Fresh Toast. Will this not be possible?
cicada said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but won't we be able to simply use an older RUU (1.52, etc) to get the phone rootable again?
My intention was going to be to try out the new stock RUU for a bit, then re-flash with an older RUU, get root and RA recovery back on, then go back to Fresh Toast. Will this not be possible?
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Not possible if the Hboot updates, which it probably will. Those here who tried the test leak 2.1 ruu.exe were unable to run the 1.56 ruu after.
There is an alternative to restore everything except the hboot from the 1.56 ruu here, but you cannot simply run the .exe. This method won't work if the official build has patched the ability to gain root (you won't be able to nandroid). In that case you will be stuck with official 2.1 only.
BTW, speaking from experience with the test build, ruu, hboot, etc.
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One big disadvantage/advantage in our case, is that Linux is open source. Anyone who wants to find a root exploit, and is smart enough has the ability to find out where there is potential code to allow for one. So you are correct, my assumption is that we will find a root for it one day. BUT I do think that if the EVO drops soon after, all of the talent that can find one will be on it. Then again, some people are of the mind set "Leave no device un hacked" and it would bother people if they knew we didn't have root LOL
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Open source is never a disadvantage. Ever.
Good to know, would've been awful to have to wait for new root hack just because I tried the new and shiny!
Guess I will sit back and wait for dev magic before I jump the gun.
Sawawa said:
Open source is never a disadvantage. Ever.
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Mater of semantics, politics, and Ideaologies.
Google has a half belief here, they like open, but they protect that damn search algorithim like its a sacred scripture - Last count I think 8 people on earth knew exactly how it worked.
So the disadvantage to google would be ungodly competition if it was released. Proprietary stuff is a win if you look for profits. Again...depends on which side of the spectrum you are on. Points can be argued either way.
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It won't be OTA as I have read in more than one place that Sprint limits OTA updates to 9MB. Since this will be close to or over 100MB it's going to be OTW.
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I think the OP is asking about an OTA 'notification' that the official update is available. If so then yes, everyone with a Hero will get a text message regardless of what rom we have installed.
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I think the OP is asking about an OTA 'notification' that the official update is available. If so then yes, everyone with a Hero will get a text message regardless of what rom we have installed.
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THAT BETTER NOT COUNT AGAINST MY TEXT LIMIT!!!!
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THAT BETTER NOT COUNT AGAINST MY TEXT LIMIT!!!!
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ROFL. . . you don't have unlimited text?
lol I would hope having a hero you would have unlimited data and texts
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yeah, but I still keep track of them. Habitual addiction to knowing everything LOL.
yeah, but I still keep track of them. Habitual addiction to knowing everything LOL.
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lol! that's great.. ever since sprint gave us that free mobile to mobile in any network I do not bother checking minutes or texts. unless my bill changes.
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One big disadvantage/advantage in our case, is that Linux is open source. Anyone who wants to find a root exploit, and is smart enough has the ability to find out where there is potential code to allow for one.
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Why is it that people still think open source means insecure? I don't claim to know how previous rooting techniques exploit Android, but I do know that 2 Linux distros have a higher government security rating than any other operating system. I assume most weaknesses in android have to do with the recovery and/or update code, which has nothing to do with Linux.
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Open source is never a disadvantage. Ever.
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It IS when HTC bogards it from us and hordes it like cookie monster does cookies. I thought open source meant OPEN SOURCE. Ahh, who knows i probably misunderstood the whole concept
I'm not too ready to go nuke all of my apps and data without being able to back them up properly. Hopefully the other group will have a method that doesn't involve completely flashing a new image so I can use Titanium Backup before flashing any custom ROMs.
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I'm not too ready to go nuke all of my apps and data without being able to back them up properly. Hopefully the other group will have a method that doesn't involve completely flashing a new image so I can use Titanium Backup before flashing any custom ROMs.
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on every other phone, when gaining root access it requires a hard reset. better to root in the beginning.
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on every other phone, when gaining root access it requires a hard reset. better to root in the beginning.
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Really? I'm pretty sure I didn't have to factory-reset to root my Hero. I've also had my EVO for over a week, so everything is already installed and organized.
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I'm not too ready to go nuke all of my apps and data without being able to back them up properly. Hopefully the other group will have a method that doesn't involve completely flashing a new image so I can use Titanium Backup before flashing any custom ROMs.
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If i understand this, rooting does not require any flashing, so you can root , install titanium back up, and then when a custom rom is ready you can flash it.
I will check the grack one out, but I am 80% sure I am going with the one from awesome guys here.
The other group of devs are using a exploit in sprint\htc software. They are going to release the info on the exploit to sprint\htc in 1 week after release. So say goodbye to your other root. I am pretty sure toast root is from a rom thats for engineering purposes. So the root should stay working. Don't quote me on this but I am pretty sure this is correct info.
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The other group of devs are using a exploit in sprint\htc software. They are going to release the info on the exploit to sprint\htc in 1 week after release. So say goodbye to your other root. I am pretty sure toast root is from a rom thats for engineering purposes. So the root should stay working. Don't quote me on this but I am pretty sure this is correct info.
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I'm lost here, who are "The other group", the guys from grack.com??
mikevillarroel said:
I'm lost here, who are "The other group", the guys from grack.com??
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yes the other group of devs is grack.com
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yes the other group of devs is grack.com
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They have made this web http://unrevoked.com/ and it's suppose to go live tomorrow, if so......what do we do, root as toast did or root as they will?
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They have made this web http://unrevoked.com/ and it's suppose to go live tomorrow, if so......what do we do, root as toast did or root as they will?
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they still dont have "sticky root" or the ability to flash custom roms and such. ur gonna need to use my method for that until we figure out nand protection and how to exploit it. i think they are only releasing their root method as a "proof of concept" or t show how easy it was to gain root perms on the stock build. it will most likely not be the replacement for my method. i talk with them a bit and its just in hopes that both methods together could possible bring a nand exploit to life.
At this point I am waiting as I don't see any reason to root. I can't use titanium backup and frankly don't care about themes or additional roms. OOTB is fast as hell.
Once full system access is achieved, or a fully functional Froyo ROM is available, then I will root.
Just my observation, but I alway ERR on the side of caution.
mikevillarroel said:
If i understand this, rooting does not require any flashing, so you can root , install titanium back up, and then when a custom rom is ready you can flash it.
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The first thing you do is flash an image to your phone that overwrites your current ROM.
shep211 said:
The other group of devs are using a exploit in sprint\htc software. They are going to release the info on the exploit to sprint\htc in 1 week after release. So say goodbye to your other root. I am pretty sure toast root is from a rom thats for engineering purposes. So the root should stay working. Don't quote me on this but I am pretty sure this is correct info.
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I was hoping that I'd get the ability to access recovery and flash new ROMs with theirs, so then I could just flash a custom ROM with normal root anyways. According to toast, this doesn't seem to be the case...
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they still dont have "sticky root" or the ability to flash custom roms and such. ur gonna need to use my method for that until we figure out nand protection and how to exploit it. i think they are only releasing their root method as a "proof of concept" or t show how easy it was to gain root perms on the stock build. it will most likely not be the replacement for my method. i talk with them a bit and its just in hopes that both methods together could possible bring a nand exploit to life.
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Really? I thought sticky-root was one of the items on their checklist to accomplish before release.
Does anyone happen to know if I can backup apps with a non-root required app then restore them and use Titanium Backup's Market Doctor to fix their Market entries? The lack of backing up Market links is the only reason I don't use other backup apps.
Bielinsk said:
At this point I am waiting as I don't see any reason to root. I can't use titanium backup and frankly don't care about themes or additional roms. OOTB is fast as hell.
Once full system access is achieved, or a fully functional Froyo ROM is available, then I will root.
Just my observation, but I alway ERR on the side of caution.
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just dont flash or except any updates from sprint. those could possibly ruin ur chances of root ever.
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they still dont have "sticky root" or the ability to flash custom roms and such. ur gonna need to use my method for that until we figure out nand protection and how to exploit it. i think they are only releasing their root method as a "proof of concept" or t show how easy it was to gain root perms on the stock build. it will most likely not be the replacement for my method. i talk with them a bit and its just in hopes that both methods together could possible bring a nand exploit to life.
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just dont flash or except any updates from sprint. those could possibly ruin ur chances of root ever.
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how can we avoid this updates from sprint?
Sorry if my questions sound stupid but i'm just learning here man! .
mikevillarroel said:
how can we avoid this updates from sprint?
Sorry if my questions sound stupid but i'm just learning here man! .
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Most custom roms will remove the OTA update feature. Only stock roms will have this feature. If you are on a stock rom and update is available you can decline it also.
toastcfh said:
just dont flash or except any updates from sprint. those could possibly ruin ur chances of root ever.
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Very wise advice. I have HTC updates turned off. Not sure if there is any place to disable Sprint updates.
Also on ANY piece of electronics you have to give your consent for any update to be applied, so even with the stock ROM you can decline updates.
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... even with the stock ROM you can decline updates.
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Where would one go to decline this? Is there a setting I can just set now, and forget, (how?) or will I need to decline every time?
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Where would one go to decline this? Is there a setting I can just set now, and forget, (how?) or will I need to decline every time?
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Unless you are rooted you will continue to get that notification, its quite annoying.
We all know that the new update will come soon.
But does everyone know that it looks like with the new update we won't be allowed to flash back to older versions of the software. We won't be able to downgrade to a previous version it seems, due to journaling being enabled. We will lose functionality.
Does anybody know what this would mean for rooting and mods?
Is this something that we would have to be concerned about?
Speaking in purely speculation here, wouldn't it be beneficial to at least try the previous "retain root" strategy? It's possibly, though incredibly unlikely, that they haven't fixed that loophole yet. Might as well also try Gingerbreak on it too.
In the long run though, someone will eventually crack it it. It's inevitable really. And with Motorola claiming that the bootloader will be unlocked later this year, perhaps patience is really what we all need.
Gingerbreak should work fine because its not a logic crack such as psneuter its an overflow crack. Retain root should also work but Im not sure about that.
A good rule of thumb is to let others who are either developers or brave souls update and report back what can and can't be done after an update. If you want to retain what freedom you have with your Atrix to date, do not update until official word comes from enlightened.
Dont worry the minute the new update rolls out, im going to try to root it using gingerbreak
Heh, I plan to just go ahead with it. The only root apps I really use anyway are TB and screenshot stuffs and I can live without GingerBlur. Especially since they allow you to simply uninstall the AT&T apps ^^
Speaking of which, what do you guys think, should we flash a fresh SBF before updating if we've already flashed a pseudo-ROM?
Fresh start so we don't bash the new update caused by a third party app or mod, good luck
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KefkaticFanatic said:
Heh, I plan to just go ahead with it. The only root apps I really use anyway are TB and screenshot stuffs and I can live without GingerBlur. Especially since they allow you to simply uninstall the AT&T apps ^^
Speaking of which, what do you guys think, should we flash a fresh SBF before updating if we've already flashed a pseudo-ROM?
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There is an screenshot app that doesn't need root - screen grabber - on the forum and in the market.
As for SBF before an update - based on past experience, you have to. The udpate will fail with the yellow triangle if you don't.
DON'T UPDATE YET. we need the time to analyze it. It is suggested this update modifies the bootloader to disallow flashing back to a previous version.
I'm aware of the conditions. They'll either crack it eventually or I can just wait for the bootloader unlock. I don't need root. Losing Amazon would be annoying though.
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DON'T UPDATE YET. we need the time to analyze it. It is suggested this update modifies the bootloader to disallow flashing back to a previous version.
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This is actually my biggest concern...
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To obtain root use kingo root google it. Then its simple to install twrp latest ofcourse with terminal emulator. I did mine at 330 am after trying for weeks with no luck on other methods . Worked like a charm. Remember follow Op in rom thread you wish to flash afterwards. Im just a user sharing.
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diamantericos said:
To obtain root use kingo root google it. Then its simple to install twrp latest ofcourse with terminal emulator. I did mine at 330 am after trying for weeks with no luck on other methods . Worked like a charm. Remember follow Op in rom thread you wish to flash afterwards. Im just a user sharing.
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Wow... I am actually surprised that this worked... I've tried millions of different root things, as you did, so I was a bit skeptic about this, but now? I have working root on latest OS!
Thank you very much
No problem a happy to share
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Finally! I have root. Thanks!
Now, the question is, can you flash recovery and then ROM while only having root and locked bootloader using for example Flashyfi? Or, I'm thinking about Xposed, but the thing is, I don't really think that would help that much, as everybody who has this device knows, that the internal flash is slow so much that even floppy drive would have been faster, so you need to store rom/app/data on external sd if you want to have somewhat fast device. But that obviously isn't possible with stock rom, right..?
Otherwise i guess I might just unlock because, after like year or so, the stock ROM gets very very slow and laggy and it makes me mad, as for this expensive device, I would like to use it and don't just wait all the time for things to happen.
Trust me stock is slow even with 90% free memory. I unlocked from day one. Once yoh unlock you can use the method j stated in op. Youll be happy my tab is way faster plus im oc'd
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Now, the question is, can you flash recovery and then ROM while only having root and locked bootloader using for example Flashyfi? Or, I'm thinking about Xposed, but the thing is, I don't really think that would help that much, as everybody who has this device knows, that the internal flash is slow so much that even floppy drive would have been faster, so you need to store rom/app/data on external sd if you want to have somewhat fast device. But that obviously isn't possible with stock rom, right..?
Otherwise i guess I might just unlock because, after like year or so, the stock ROM gets very very slow and laggy and it makes me mad, as for this expensive device, I would like to use it and don't just wait all the time for things to happen.
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You will need to unlock your bootloader to install any custom ROMs, kernels, or recoveries, even if you have root. xposed is probably your best option for tweaking.
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You will need to unlock your bootloader to install any custom ROMs, kernels, or recoveries, even if you have root. xposed is probably your best option for tweaking.
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Alright, thanks and sorry for probably noob question, I'm from the times where there weren't locked bootloaders so, I could flash whatever I wanted. Good old times. Anyway, I'm gonna unlock... can't stand this anymore.
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Alright, thanks and sorry for probably noob question, I'm from the times where there weren't locked bootloaders so, I could flash whatever I wanted. Good old times. Anyway, I'm gonna unlock... can't stand this anymore.
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Yeah, back on my Nook I could pretty much do whatever I wanted right out of the box. Asus and all these other popular manufacturers are really stupid for this reason.
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Yeah, back on my Nook I could pretty much do whatever I wanted right out of the box. Asus and all these other popular manufacturers are really stupid for this reason.
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Exactly.. I mean like... I understand that they need a way how to protect their devices from people who don't know what they're doing, which usually results in bricking devices and excpecting that manufacture will repair it for free. What I don't understand, is why they're claiming my warranty is gone. As for example, if screen or keyboard stops working it's clearly not SW issue (or most likely). The only good thing about this is that since I'm living in EU, if I get HW issue, they have to repair it even if it's unlocked, because of law. Can you rely on it? That's the question.
Anyway, now I'm running custom ROM and it's really something else.
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Yeah, back on my Nook I could pretty much do whatever I wanted right out of the box. Asus and all these other popular manufacturers are really stupid for this reason.
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Actually I wouldnt knock asus so quick since they offer you an official unlock tool from their website.
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Actually I wouldnt knock asus so quick since they offer you an official unlock tool from their website.
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They offer a tool to undo what they should not have done.
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They offer a tool to undo what they should not have done.
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Lol true.
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Actually I wouldnt knock asus so quick since they offer you an official unlock tool from their website.
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If you are lucky, you can get it to unlock. If not, even the support department will not help you. Seach for ASUS support sucks.
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