New to Android... - G1 General

I got a G1 from ebay. Its rooted and OS is 1.6. It has cyanogenmod 4.2.15.1. build number DRC83. I need to install OS 2.2 and don't have a clue from were to start.
Thanks

Look through g1 development. Cyanogen has a froyo (2.2). Chromatic also has one that's based off it that has good reviews. Just wipe everything in recovery. Download Rom and flash in recovery. You can email me if u have questions. [email protected] also have to have danger spl. There are instructions on all that here on xda
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Welcome aboard - if I have but one piece of advise, it is to take your time, read, read, read - search, and make sure you have all of the details and options understood before you jump in. ( I did not follow this rule - and jumped in without fully understanding - and proceeded to brick my first android phone )
To install 2.2 - you will need to get familiar with this post
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=717874
This will help you to not have to install the "Danger SPL" which appears to have been necessary previously - but with these modifications, you can do without.
Be careful with where you take your information from - there are some posts in reference to upgrading, etc that are a bit out of date with the current modifications and files available.
Good luck - welcome aboard

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If i get a Google Dev phone, do i have to use danger spl?

danger spl
I think bill is right. Dont know much about dev phones though. The g1 was the only phone that required it due to its internal rom space but firerat made a mtd patch that frees up a lot of internal space so you no longer need that. Thanks for the correction btw. Its a much better way to go. Like he said read read read. There is a vast amount of info in here. Maybe using search for dev phone would be of some assistance.

RoHaM said:
If i get a Google Dev phone, do i have to use danger spl?
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johnson8cyl said:
I think bill is right. Dont know much about dev phones though. The g1 was the only phone that required it due to its internal rom space but firerat made a mtd patch that frees up a lot of internal space so you no longer need that. Thanks for the correction btw. Its a much better way to go. Like he said read read read. There is a vast amount of info in here. Maybe using search for dev phone would be of some assistance.
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The Android Dev phone (if you can find one) is the exact same as the standard T-Mobile G1 (Dream) except it is defaulted with the engineering spl and it is sim unlocked. So even if you have the Android Dev phone and want to use Cyanogen's 2.1/2.2 you will still need the Danger SPL. Firerat's mtd patch is an alternative to this and it is much safer.

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Mytouch 3g Rooted - Complete Noob Here

Hello all,
Please bear with me, I am very new to rooting and this is my first post here . I rooted my MyTouch3g today with the 1touch method, no problems whatsoever. I Have the CryogenMod 4.0.1, and everything seems to be working fine. I just have a few questions that i would appreciate if anyone could answer.
1) What is the difference between 32a and 32b? I see these terms being thrown around alot.
- I think i read somewhere before rooting that the MyTouch3g is 32b, so i made sure to get Cryo for 32b, but i do not actually know the difference.
2) Is there a good USB Tethering application for MyTouch3g? I have the Wifi Tether app, but would like a USB one for my Desktop Computer.
3)Do Class 6 SD Cards make a huge difference? I just ordered one from newegg after reading that it would greatly improve performance.
4)I Installed Apps2SD, and i ran the program, then all my applications disappeared and i had to reinstall them. I did not create any partitions or anything yet, which i think might have caused it to do so. Has anyone experienced Apps2SD seemingly getting rid of all applications?
5) Are there any good stable/fast completely new interface roms besides the Hero UI? I heard that the Hero UI roms are not as fast as the original/Cryo roms. Please correct me if i am wrong.
Thank you for your time.
i can answer a couple of your questions. and i think you mean Cyanogen, not Cryogen...
1) 32A and 32B are the two different types of HTC Magic devices. The difference is the RAM where 32A has 288 MB and 32B devices have 192 MB. As a result of this, rom's made for 32A will have trouble running on 32B devices as it will be expecting 288 MB of RAM and vice-versa.
2) dunno about this
3) In my experience, if you are constantly running files from the SD card, the class will make a difference.
4) dunno about this
5) you could always install the Cyanogen rom and use a Hero theme. if you're lucky enough, i've heard the Palm Pre theme is stable and pretty fast.
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Hello all,
Please bear with me, I am very new to rooting and this is my first post here . I rooted my MyTouch3g today with the 1touch method, no problems whatsoever. I Have the CryogenMod 4.0.1, and everything seems to be working fine. I just have a few questions that i would appreciate if anyone could answer.
1) What is the difference between 32a and 32b? I see these terms being thrown around alot.
- I think i read somewhere before rooting that the MyTouch3g is 32b, so i made sure to get Cryo for 32b, but i do not actually know the difference.
2) Is there a good USB Tethering application for MyTouch3g? I have the Wifi Tether app, but would like a USB one for my Desktop Computer.
3)Do Class 6 SD Cards make a huge difference? I just ordered one from newegg after reading that it would greatly improve performance.
4)I Installed Apps2SD, and i ran the program, then all my applications disappeared and i had to reinstall them. I did not create any partitions or anything yet, which i think might have caused it to do so. Has anyone experienced Apps2SD seemingly getting rid of all applications?
5) Are there any good stable/fast completely new interface roms besides the Hero UI? I heard that the Hero UI roms are not as fast as the original/Cryo roms. Please correct me if i am wrong.
Thank you for your time.
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1) 32A is the HTC branded or rogers Magic. It has 288 MB of Ram. the 32B is the Vodafone or Mytouch. It has 192 megs of Ram. Not as powerful. It's also CyanogenMod. Not CryogenMod.
2) If you search you can probably find one. Wireless Tether for Root Users is probably what you have and it is great in my opinion. Prefer it over a wired tether anyways.
3) Class 6 are badass. Good move on buying it from newegg. You will notice a difference.
4) CyanogenMod does apps2sd for you. If you ran another apps2sd program, it will break it. That's probably why that happened. Wipe your phone and reflash. When you install apps, it will do it on its own, but only if you have your SD card partitioned. You do not need to run any apps2sd programs.
5) Cyanogen has the best ROM in my opinion. Fast, stable, very clean, etc. Hero is basically your other option. If you do go that route, I recommend Qtek's Hero. It is wicked fast. Haven't really had any lag issues myself. Cyanogen had a Palm Pre port but I think that was removed due to Palm, Inc. filing a complaint. Not 100% on that one.
Hope this helped.
Thanks
Thank you for both of your replies, heh i will now refer to it by the correct name, Cyanogen.
I Guess i will look up how to partition the card, but ill just wait until my Class6 comes in the mail rather than bothering to do it with the lame stock 4GB Card.
Thanks again.
if you have a mytouch, i would actually suggest just formatting your memory card with just the plain fat32 1 partition, and not bother with apps2sd... apps2sd was really created because people were running out of memory on the g1... i'm currently running cyanogen's rom without apps2sd and i actually find it faster... all you have to do is not partition your card for apps2sd and cyanogen's rom will not install apps2sd... i'm sure you can find reasons to use app2sd in the future, but you can fit hundreds of applications on the onboard RAM instead of the sd card, which is always going to be faster...
look for pdanet for usb tethering... it costs 29.99 for the full version, but you can use it for free for HTTP web browsing ONLY... it won't work for most anything else... its not available on the android market because google pulled it, but just do a google search for it and you'll find it... you'll have to go into settings > applications > and check unknown sources so you can install the .apk after you download it from the website
more of a newbie
I just got my mytouch and i wanna put this on it where do i begin....from the 100% start..?
thanks in advance
you're gonna have to root it and upload 3.9.7. Then from there you can flash the theme.
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you're gonna have to root it and upload 3.9.7. Then from there you can flash the theme.
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Hey guys,so now that the mt3g is able to be rooted.I have 2 questions.About this whole 32A/B thing.How do i find out which one mine is, because people are saying that the 32A's are 288memory,and i have a mytouch3g and it has 288mbRAM 512ROM so which one do i have?And then if i root my phone,can i NOT put a rom on it?.I only wanted to root my phone for the multi-touch/flash capabilities.Does the root even enable it?THanks all.
jkwon85 said:
Hey guys,so now that the mt3g is able to be rooted.I have 2 questions.About this whole 32A/B thing.How do i find out which one mine is, because people are saying that the 32A's are 288memory,and i have a mytouch3g and it has 288mbRAM 512ROM so which one do i have?And then if i root my phone,can i NOT put a rom on it?.I only wanted to root my phone for the multi-touch/flash capabilities.Does the root even enable it?THanks all.
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The mytouch has 192 there are no 288 for mytouch. If u do root it, you are already flashing a modified rom to begin with. Depending on the rom, it could have multi touch. Cyanogen has it in his newest 4.0.2 version. The hero roms are the only ones with flash, but they are not that great. It aslo has multi touch but they lag. Hope this helps
jkwon85 said:
Hey guys,so now that the mt3g is able to be rooted.I have 2 questions.About this whole 32A/B thing.How do i find out which one mine is, because people are saying that the 32A's are 288memory,and i have a mytouch3g and it has 288mbRAM 512ROM so which one do i have?And then if i root my phone,can i NOT put a rom on it?.I only wanted to root my phone for the multi-touch/flash capabilities.Does the root even enable it?THanks all.
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Word,just did the 1click flashrec.apk,and updated to cyanogen stable 4.0.2 or wutever rom.very nice ROM,got multi touch on browser and other few nice tweaks,i love the fact that it doesnt try and be something it isnt.This is how the phone should have shipped stock.
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The mytouch has 192 there are no 288 for mytouch. If u do root it, you are already flashing a modified rom to begin with. Depending on the rom, it could have multi touch. Cyanogen has it in his newest 4.0.2 version. The hero roms are the only ones with flash, but they are not that great. It aslo has multi touch but they lag. Hope this helps
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Ok, this information must be out of date because we just gota MyTouch for my wife and it has 288mb out of the box. So what other way is there to identify if this is 32a/32b? Is it possible that Tmobile just decided to release a 32a version? Or is it a 32b just because its a MyTouch? I saw a post that lists them by which board is in them. How do you see which board is installed? Please excuse if this is all something that has been covered, I have used the search function which is how I found this article. And Im new to android so I'm not quite sure what to search. Thank you in advance for your time and courtesy.
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Ok, this information must be out of date because we just gota MyTouch for my wife and it has 288mb out of the box. So what other way is there to identify if this is 32a/32b? Is it possible that Tmobile just decided to release a 32a version? Or is it a 32b just because its a MyTouch? I saw a post that lists them by which board is in them. How do you see which board is installed? Please excuse if this is all something that has been covered, I have used the search function which is how I found this article. And Im new to android so I'm not quite sure what to search. Thank you in advance for your time and courtesy.
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No, it's not out of date. You are probably referring to the ROM, that's the space where your apps are stored. If you download a lot of apps, that space will go down. To give you further confirmation as to what board you have, which is 32B, power off your phone and then press the "back" button and power at the same time. You will go into fastboot from here. It will show you that you have a 32B board from there. The mytouch has 192MB of RAM. In the first quarter of next year, a special edition of the mytouch will be released, which will be 32A board, having the 288MB of ram. It will be a Fender edition. Hopefully this answered your questions.
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No, it's not out of date. You are probably referring to the ROM, that's the space where your apps are stored. If you download a lot of apps, that space will go down. To give you further confirmation as to what board you have, which is 32B, power off your phone and then press the "back" button and power at the same time. You will go into fastboot from here. It will show you that you have a 32B board from there. The mytouch has 192MB of RAM. In the first quarter of next year, a special edition of the mytouch will be released, which will be 32A board, having the 288MB of ram. It will be a Fender edition. Hopefully this answered your questions.
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Ah ok, well that makes sense then. ^^ thanks for the information that was extremely helpful.

Best Mytouch 3G 1.2 Rom?

I know, I know, you reading this thread are very disappointed of me, a noob, for asking this since a billion other of my fellow noobs already asked this. I just wanted to know what is the best rom out there today for the T-Mobile Mytouch 3g 1.2 (w/3.5mm). I have recently moved over from the HTC Touch Viva forum and I am amazed by all the development going on, considering the amount of people here compared to there. I have installed Amon_Ra's recovery and flashed a rom but didn't quite like it due to the Google apps always force closing (I think most people were having the problem with the rom) so I restored the backup. The only thing done to the phone is that I rooted it and installed the recovery. Thank You very much if you decided to point me in the right direction, and if you didn't, have a nice day.
Don't hate on me just because I'm a noob! I'm 16 and android modding is way more confusing than WM6.5/6.1, haha.
The best in my opinion is the one linked in my sig. The slide rom. it has everything you could want from dounut and a hero type rom. The reasons for all the google apps FC is because you have either not done a full wipe before flashing the rom, or may not have your sd card partitioned in 3 partitions.
Download, put on sd card, flash, Let it sit for about 15 min, it will take a long time to boot the first time.
That's probably why it FC so many times. I didn't do a full wipe nor did I have the SD card partitioned.
Do all ROMs require a partition of the SD card? How would I go about partitioning it?
I'll search around for it later. I have a math final to study for!
Can't go wrong with Cyanogen's Eclair ROM. No partitions required.
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crypysmoker said:
The best in my opinion is the one linked in my sig. The slide rom. it has everything you could want from dounut and a hero type rom. The reasons for all the google apps FC is because you have either not done a full wipe before flashing the rom, or may not have your sd card partitioned in 3 partitions.
Download, put on sd card, flash, Let it sit for about 15 min, it will take a long time to boot the first time.
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Thanks for pointing this rom out, I really like it so far (just loaded it, loading my backup of my microsd on).
Looks very nice, runs very smooth and everything is supposed to work accept bluetooth so thats great. Hopefully it doesn't slow down once I load up my apps and this will replace CM as my daily driver until the hacked 2.2 comes out for MT3G 1.2
Super E 102... can be found in the G1 android dev forum
Adamsville MITM said:
Super E 102... can be found in the G1 android dev forum
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Thank you all for the input. I've downloaded SuperE a few days ago and it was the best ROM yet, everything works to the best of my knowledge. It's fast, smooth, and everything I would want from a non-official ROM. It actually feels like an official update from using it. I did have some random force closes, but it doesn't lower the overall score of the ROM. Eleven out of ten in my book!
The only thing left is a keyboard. I'm using the stock android one, but the keys are too small and make the input experience ****ty.
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Super E 102... can be found in the G1 android dev forum
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wait so i'm so confused. how do you know if a rom will work with mt3g 1.2? i mean i know its 32a/EBI0 but nowhere in the super e thread does it say that it will work with it?
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The only thing left is a keyboard. I'm using the stock android one, but the keys are too small and make the input experience ****ty.
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Have a look for the HTC IME Mod and DROID X keyboard ports, both very good.
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wait so i'm so confused. how do you know if a rom will work with mt3g 1.2? i mean i know its 32a/EBI0 but nowhere in the super e thread does it say that it will work with it?
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Don't you just need a different kernel for 32A?
I have no idea. BUT I have successfully booted cyanogen-mod 5-ds which DOES say is compatible with 1.2.. and it's an EXCELLENT rom.
Super E and CM 508 are already compatible with mt3g 1.2... dont need the 32a port
Any cyan based rom or rom using his kernel should be compatible with the 1.2 i suggest kolohes speedteam rom.
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[Q] A beginner that needs help!!

Hello all,
I have got a HTC HD2 phone with WM 6.5 T.Mobile version and the question is: Do I have to remove the current WM 6.5 that is installed on my phone in order to install Android? if yes, is there a way to backup the windows and everything installed on it including the messages and the names stored? If no, is it 100% guranteed that the WM will work perfectly with Android? Which version of Android is most stable with everything working perfectly? Also I need to know the exact tips of installing. You may laugh when I tell you that I need to install Android because there is a game being released for Android and not for WM this game is ANGRY BIRDS you have no idea how I'm glad I will be able to play it as my friend got an iphone and he doesnt want me to play it with his phone
So people, I know these are alot of questions but, all of us began this way. Thank you for understanding.
Michael
Usually these type of questions get the "do some research yourself" treatment, but i'm such a nice guy, so here i go:
No, WM stays. Android boots from SD card.
But, to get Android to boot right you have to upgrade you phone a bit. Well, a lot actually. You have to make your phone able to do other things than just stock WM. (Upgrade SPL). Change the Radio (part of the "bios"), change the WM to something better, and then at last you'll be able to use your Android.
These steps are usually done once, and then you'll be able to change your Android version easily later.
But still, it's all worth it
Good luck
The short answer to your question is 'yes', you will need to 'uninstall' WM 6.5 to use Android.
You will need to 'flash' another ROM, which will replace WM 6.5 as you know it. You can always revert back to the stock version in the future.
You might also need to flash another radio (depending on which version you have already).
There is no single 'best' version of Android right now. There are several, each being updated constantly. In broad terms, you can choose from a HTC Sense version, or a stock Android (Froyo) version.
You are asking too many questions to talk you through the process here. I am using the following:
ROM - Chuckydroid
Radio - 2.12.50.xx
Android - Bangsters V1.3
You will need to search and learn if you wish to progress.
One word of advice - read and follow all instructions carefully!
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The short answer to your question is 'yes', you will need to 'uninstall' WM 6.5 to use Android.
You will need to 'flash' another ROM, which will replace WM 6.5 as you know it. You can always revert back to the stock version in the future.
You might also need to flash another radio (depending on which version you have already).
what the hell..............you dont "uninstall" anything, and no..you dont need to flash any rom...stock is fine...just need radio >2.08.50
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Hey
You are speaking mysteries guys
Here are the details of my OS
OS version: 5.2.21889
ROM version: 2.10.531.1
RADIO version: 2.08.50.08_2
What should I do? Another question: Isn't the OS WM I have a registered version from Microsoft? Or it doesn't matter I can install any version?
Another thing, I did try searching and asking a lot of questions to know the answers I'm asking about it here. But the thing is that people talk about an advanced things and I need to start from the beginning.
Thanks guys for being patience with me, I really appreciate it.
Michael
I will follow this one... I am still trying to get anything. Tried Froyo's on stock by just putting it on the SD card... but it says: Jumping to kernal, so that wont work really well.
Maybe someone could write a clear How-To to just get a Android instal.. I am very curious.
Don't think you guys will get massive amounts if help in here but firstly search for hspl read how to install it, read all steps carefully there is a full step by step guide, then you need to upgrade to latest radio again just search on xda and you will find s step by step guide, then you will need to update the windows mobile Rom process is same as installing a new radio.
Then you will need to download an android build, hyperdroid is very stable,
Android runs purely is your SD card like a virtual machine on your pc,
Spend an hour or two reading,
It's not really a complicated process once you've read around a bit
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Wow all these threads asking the same questions. All these members asking us to break it down Barney style!
Look none of this stuff is hard!
They have done most of the hard work for you. All you have to do is read the instructions on the forums!
You don't need Barney to read it to you. You dont need instructions in the form of a cat in the hat book.
I am challenging you to research for yourself!
Give me a honest effort and if that doesn't work you can private message me! But you had better done your home work!
Even if I don't use the rom I read the threads. I follow dcordes,shu8i, cotulla,cyanogen and anyone else with info on twitter. I read most if not all the threads. I am not smart. So if I can do it you can too.
Forgive me for being candid I just felt it needed to be said!
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Wow all these threads asking the same questions. All these members asking us to break it down Barney style!
Look none of this stuff is hard!
They have done most of the hard work for you. All you have to do is read the instructions on the forums!
You don't need Barney to read it to you. You dont need instructions in the form of a cat in the hat book.
I am challenging you to research for yourself!
Give me a honest effort and if that doesn't work you can private message me! But you had better done your home work!
Even if I don't use the rom I read the threads. I follow dcordes,shu8i, cotulla,cyanogen and anyone else with info on twitter. I read most if not all the threads. I am not smart. So if I can do it you can too.
Forgive me for being candid I just felt it needed to be said!
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All the work has been done for us already
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Thanks
Thanks hazard99 and whynot66 I think I need to make more search.
Michael
Guys, is it alright if i ask a question?
Why is it not right if we run stock rom with froyostone and radio 12?
Some say it causes problems with the audio. I say bull but I am not running stock winmo. I've always used energy roms. And haven't had a problem!
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what are the good things using energy roms?
Well it. Use to be I liked the look and speed and stability. I don't use winmo at all anymore!
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Guys, is it alright if i ask a question?
Why is it not right if we run stock rom with froyostone and radio 12?
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I am using Froyostone builds on my stock 1.66 WWE ROM.
All i did to get android running is a new HSPL and a compatible radio.
I have never flashed any custom/cooked ROM on my device.
It runs smoothly on the stock rom and have had no major issues at all..!!
All the best!

Plain Android

Just got my Desire Z today & as much as i love it I hate sense. I'm using ADD.Launcher atm to try & hide it but I still get there crappy apps.
So my question is, which is the best ROM to flash my phone to get to Vanilla Android?
Thanks in advance
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cyanogenmod rom... Its amazing... has probably the most support cause there are soo many users
Try Cyanogen. Check out the thread in the G2 dev forum, where there's loads of activity (the thread on the DZ side is pretty dead).
I've used Cyanogen before on my G1 & its good but it never felt like stock to me. Just wondering is it possible to flash the G2 Rom onto the Desire Z?
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KarlosTheJackal said:
I've used Cyanogen before on my G1 & its good but it never felt like stock to me. Just wondering is it possible to flash the G2 Rom onto the Desire Z?
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According to Cyanogen it's still not a totally stock build. But if you use gfree to get full radio S-OFF, you should be able to flash the G2 ROM. Do not try this with just S-OFF from the engineering hboot.
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According to Cyanogen it's still not a totally stock build. But if you use gfree to get full radio S-OFF, you should be able to flash the G2 ROM. Do not try this with just S-OFF from the engineering hboot.
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'Radio S-OFF' *confused look on face* I am very confused as to what you mean.
What is 'Radio S-OFF'? And what's 'engineering hboot'? Think I need to read up a bit more before I even consider rooting this device, if you could point me towards the best place to start I would be greatfull!
Edit:Spelling errors lol
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I have not seen stock Android running, only with Sense on my Desire Z, and I've not been able to find a simple list of what specific features Sense has added over vanilla.
Could someone point me to somewhere which might tell me whether I might prefer vanillia Android, as I'd hate to switch to an otherwise better ROM only to find lots of features that I liked have suddenly vanished...
Andre
KarlosTheJackal said:
'Radio S-OFF' *confused look on face* I am very confused as to what you mean.
What is 'Radio S-OFF'? And what's 'engineering hboot'? Think I need to read up a bit more before I even consider rooting this device, if you could point me towards the best place to start I would be greatfull!
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If you look through the dev forum, you will find lots of custom ROMs. There are some custom ROMs based on the stock G2 ROM, and you may want to try one of those our (or possibly more than one of those).
What you need to do is to get permanent root on your phone (I recommend using the "rage" method, documented in the dev forum). Then you need to get S-OFF (Security Off) so that you can flash unsigned (i.e. custom) ROM images.
Originally there was a sort-of S-OFF using an "engineering" version of the bootloader. This was ok but kinda risky. We now have a much safer method, described in the stickes on the dev forum, using a program called "gfree". It now is clear you haven't used the engineering hboot, so just forget I ever mentioned that lol.
What I recommend you do is read up on "rage" and the new "gfree" S-OFF, read some more, ask questions if you're not sure, then only finally once you're clear, go ahead and do those procedures. Before you try another one, install ROM Manager from the Market, use it to flash Clockwork Recovery (it's an option inside ROM Manager), and then use it to do a full backup of your ROM - so that will mean if you don't like the new ROM you can very easily restore to what you have now.
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I have not seen stock Android running, only with Sense on my Desire Z, and I've not been able to find a simple list of what specific features Sense has added over vanilla.
Could someone point me to somewhere which might tell me whether I might prefer vanillia Android, as I'd hate to switch to an otherwise better ROM only to find lots of features that I liked have suddenly vanished...
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You'll lose all the HTC apps. So if you like any of them, maybe you won't like a stock Android ROM ?
Have a look at HTC's spec sheet on the DZ, which does list all their add-on apps and widgets too, that should give you an idea - http://www.htc.com/uk/product/desirez/specification.html
But you could always do a Nandroid backup of what you have now, flash a new ROM to try it, then you can easily go back if you don't like it.
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But you could always do a Nandroid backup of what you have now, flash a new ROM to try it, then you can easily go back if you don't like it.
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This.
Also want to point out that HTC's enhancements go beyond the apps, rosie-launcher and the widgets...
The T9-based dialler is theirs, as is the camera, the deskclock (with world cities), the music player, etc...
Oh and lots of little things like the icons/black statusbar etc.
I generally don't like having to use Sense, but I wish Google would up their game with regards to the dialler and camera especially. They're just terrible at the moment (which is why Cyanogen went to the trouble of practically making his own camera app).
Hopefully for Honeycomb...
catachresistant said:
This.
Also want to point out that HTC's enhancements go beyond the apps, rosie-launcher and the widgets...
The T9-based dialler is theirs, as is the camera, the deskclock (with world cities), the music player, etc...
Oh and lots of little things like the icons/black statusbar etc.
I generally don't like having to use Sense, but I wish Google would up their game with regards to the dialler and camera especially. They're just terrible at the moment (which is why Cyanogen went to the trouble of practically making his own camera app).
Hopefully for Honeycomb...
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I have to say that I'm a Sense fan. I can't fault it over stock Android (aside from the slight performance overhead, which is a non-issue if you overclock).
Vanilla Android - awful camera, contacts, dialler, ugly as hell, launcher looks nice but is plain annoying cos it doesn't fling more than a few lines, you don't get the Sense weather animations which I think are awesome eyecandy for showing off your phone to other people, Sense widgets are all generally pretty, the list goes on...
But ultimately that is MY preference, and the awesome thing about Android is you can customise it to fit your preferences. Try vanilla out - you have absolutely nothing to lose and everything to gain
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If you look through the dev forum, you will find lots of custom ROMs. There are some custom ROMs based on the stock G2 ROM, and you may want to try one of those our (or possibly more than one of those).
What you need to do is to get permanent root on your phone (I recommend using the "rage" method, documented in the dev forum). Then you need to get S-OFF (Security Off) so that you can flash unsigned (i.e. custom) ROM images.
Originally there was a sort-of S-OFF using an "engineering" version of the bootloader. This was ok but kinda risky. We now have a much safer method, described in the stickes on the dev forum, using a program called "gfree". It now is clear you haven't used the engineering hboot, so just forget I ever mentioned that lol.
What I recommend you do is read up on "rage" and the new "gfree" S-OFF, read some more, ask questions if you're not sure, then only finally once you're clear, go ahead and do those procedures. Before you try another one, install ROM Manager from the Market, use it to flash Clockwork Recovery (it's an option inside ROM Manager), and then use it to do a full backup of your ROM - so that will mean if you don't like the new ROM you can very easily restore to what you have now.
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Thank you so much for all of that! A lot of help & explained enough for me to start learning
You sir have my first ever 'Thanks' on here.
steviewevie said:
If you look through the dev forum, you will find lots of custom ROMs. There are some custom ROMs based on the stock G2 ROM, and you may want to try one of those our (or possibly more than one of those).
What you need to do is to get permanent root on your phone (I recommend using the "rage" method, documented in the dev forum). Then you need to get S-OFF (Security Off) so that you can flash unsigned (i.e. custom) ROM images.
Originally there was a sort-of S-OFF using an "engineering" version of the bootloader. This was ok but kinda risky. We now have a much safer method, described in the stickes on the dev forum, using a program called "gfree". It now is clear you haven't used the engineering hboot, so just forget I ever mentioned that lol.
What I recommend you do is read up on "rage" and the new "gfree" S-OFF, read some more, ask questions if you're not sure, then only finally once you're clear, go ahead and do those procedures. Before you try another one, install ROM Manager from the Market, use it to flash Clockwork Recovery (it's an option inside ROM Manager), and then use it to do a full backup of your ROM - so that will mean if you don't like the new ROM you can very easily restore to what you have now.
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Quick question for you, Why do you recommend the 'rage' method over other methord's such as 'visionary'?
This topic http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=857390&highlight=gfree talks about using 'gfree' & 'visionary' & seams like a very easy & straight forward way of gaining root access.
n/m: Kinda kept reading over topics & found that some people have been having problems with visionary with partitions etc. Ill pass on it just in case!
Well i followed your advice, read up on every thing & i am know running [ROM] NO SENSE: 11/Nov 1.22.531.8 r1 - HTC Vision (G2/Z) Stock & am loving it!
Thank you so much! I have stock Android XD <3
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Quick question for you, Why do you recommend the 'rage' method over other methord's such as 'visionary'?
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n/m: Kinda kept reading over topics & found that some people have been having problems with visionary with partitions etc. Ill pass on it just in case!
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Yep, a lot of people seem to run Visionary and end up stuck in a boot loop or similar. I've never seen any problem like that with rage, the worst that seems to happen is it just doesn't work (but the phone is still fine), and that's usually because a command hasn't been typed in correctly or an error message came up and the user didn't realise it was important.
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Well i followed your advice, read up on every thing & i am know running [ROM] NO SENSE: 11/Nov 1.22.531.8 r1 - HTC Vision (G2/Z) Stock & am loving it!
Thank you so much! I have stock Android XD <3
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Excellent ! Well done

Ace Think Tank [Noob friendly - softbricks, bootloops, edify, etc]

If you are serious about Android then be prepared to read - that is the one thing which will separate you from the average user.
To get you started you will need to know a few basics before you can start contributing to a community which has dedicated themselves in bringing better Operating Systems (Roms) to our phones. By knowing these basic steps you will be able to help iron out bugs from whatever Rom you have decided to keep on your phone and thus, improving your own user experience.
If you are completely new to this then you should read Glevitan's Starter Guide. It contains everything you need to know and it is a mandatory prerequisite before you can post in this thread seaking help.
Now that you have read and understood some of the terminology and how to recover from possible issues, you can root your phone with the A high-level DHD/Inspire manual S-OFF hack concept for advanced users [NOTE: The AAHK HAS BEEN RETIRED FOR NOOBS. IT IS FOR ADVANCE USERS ONLY. REFER TO THIS STICKY INSTEAD [How to] ROOT without the Hack Kit] Even if you do encounter issues, knowing the terminology, what you did and what went wrong will help communicating your issue so we can find a way to solve it. If you read the starter guide you should know that we don't recommend using HTC dev to unlock your bootloader. However, if you did go this route you can read this helpful guide: [NOOB] Flashing a custom ROM & getting it to boot IF bootloader is htcdev unlocked. And finally, our own resident and esteemed Glevitan is working on a tool to make it easier for you all. [ROOT] [TOOL] Easy Ace Root Tool
After having spent some time in the XDA threads reading a lot more than what you should post, you will have realized that almost any question you could possibly think about has already been asked over a dozen times and why so many emphasize the importance of searching for your answer first. You would also come to realize what are the benefits of setting up ADB. Among one of ADB (Android debug Bridge - [GUIDE] ADB - Usage, Tips, Tricks and More! and [GUIDE]ADB Workshop and Guide for everyone) uses is creating logcats. These logcats help developers finding what is causing a bug and how to fix it. This is a quick [Tutorial] How To Logcat. However, this quick tutorial will only help you get started. Keep in mind that apps like aLogcat or Catlog could shorten important output from the log. Another one: Learn to logcat like a Pro!
To be able to help developers create a better user experience for us, we need to create a bug report. The reason why we first need to search the forum is to avoid confusing the developer by cluttering the thread with repeated reports, of bugs and questions which as mentioned earlier, most likely have already been asked. To have a better understanding of the different instances we can create logs, then have a look at: [TUT]Report a bug I do believe this can not be emphasized enough and thus, what better way than reading it from existz own words.
Making your own Android Rom: Some advice..
You can find some relevant and not so relevant links in the second and third post.
Forum Rules
A Short Guide To Open-Source And Similar Licenses
Team:
Gizmoe
Bananagranola
Glevitan
Teichopsia
GuyInTheCorner
Muikkuman
sashank
hdorius
We are all here attempting to return what the community has given us - constantly deconstructing the OP in lieu of a better organization.
Thread Index​
Page#1, post#7 Noob Starter Guide by Glevitan.
Goes to a different thread (Guide) (Beginners) You have rooted your phone, now what can you do Thanks to GuyintheCorner.
Goes to a different thread Steps to flashing ROM - Thanks to sashank.
Page#1, post#8 FAQ's by Hdrorius.
Page#18, post#179 Booting into recovery, Full wipe and flashing, How to restore after formatting the SD card.
Page#1, post#9 [GUIDE] ADB - Usage, Tips, Tricks and More!, thanks to andyharney.
Page#14, post#133 [Tutorial] How To Logcat Thanks to andyharney. This will take you directly to the OP.
Page #2, post #19 "I have the SanDisk Class 10 64GB MicroSD card and it works flawlessly in my DHD." Thanks to Blasphemer666 for the report.
Page#3, post#24 Radio - Location mapping project by Xeleth.
Page#4, post#35 CPU+FAN+Overclocking brief discussion, Continues here, And here, Here as well, One more, Another one, Doesn't seem to end, Finally Ending in post#42
Page#5, post#45 British cure for Hangovers - by a 15yr old
Page#9, post#82 How to check which camara sensor you have, thanks to GuyInTheCorner.
Page#18, post#172 Radio, Ril discussion.
Page#22, post#213 Random Links
Page#28, post#273 A little guide on flashing radios the PD98IMG.zip way Thanks to Xeleth - link will take you to the OP.
Page#37, post#368 Enabling the right click button in LinuxMint It all started on post#316. A special thanks to bananagranola for the step by step guidance.
Page#40, post#396 [NOOB] Flashing a custom ROM & getting it to boot IF bootloader is htcdev unlocked Thanks to sashank.
Page#52, post#514 [TUT] Edify Scripts (Creating flashable zips) Thanks to sashank.
Page#57, post#569 Inspire - Aroma Installer calibration values.
Page#67, post#668 Links to learn how to program.
Page#69, post#687 Stuff to say about dalvik cache and data wiping. Thanks to sashank, continues on post #689.
Page#76, post#757 adb devices not listed linux Udev, Udev Rules, etc., still under construction.
Page#78, post#776 pd98img.zip / 4ext touch recovery RC7.
Page#83, post#822 Short flashable zip explanation / guide. Thanks to bananagranola.
Page #164 [Guide][How to]Disable hardware key and light functions. thanks to hdorius.
Gold Card Generator Kinda a do it yourself thing.
Page#200, post#1992 Links to learn Java and Linux - but mostly linux
Links​
Freenode IRC chan. #htc-ace - DHD/Inspire, a place to hang out and generally talk about anything pertaining to these devices. Thanks to synergydev.
#AceRoot - S-OFF support, Thanks to Glevitan
XDA University
[Lists]Guide Ride-From a Newbie to a Dev, Get all you need here
Android Debug Bridge.
zeppelinrox
[RC9] ULTIMATIC RC6! [EXE]-=Ultimate Jar Power Tools=-With Maximum MultiTasking Mods!
Hboot explained. thanks to cee43ja1 for the links.
[COLLECTION][TWEAKS]build.prop tweaks[8 JUNE]
[REF][TWEAKS] Kernel Governors, Modules, I/O Schedulers, CPU Tweaks, AIO App Configs
a list of build.prop tweaks
Android Terms,Slang & Definitions
{HELP} Interactive Help Forum!{TUTORIALS} Where questions are encouraged!
[Reference] Interactive Phone Modification [GUIDE]
RUU (ROM Upgrade Utility): How to extract files from a RUU.
[HOW TO] Beginners Guide to Android ROM Development
[Guide]Complete Android ROM development and essential tutorials ~~ By Nero Young ~~
[GUIDE] How to port Stock/GB/CM7/CM9/ICS/CM10/JB Based ROMs
[GUIDE] [how to] CREATE OWN ROM [FOR ANY ANDROID DEVICE] [FOR N00B] [EASIEST METHODS]
[Tutorial] Compile JB on Ubuntu
[Tutorial] Compile ICS on Ubuntu
[Tutorial][Oct. 19, 2011] Compile AOSP Gingerbread on Ubuntu
[Guide] How to use Github
[Guide] How to set up ADB and Build Android with fedora KDE
dsixda's Android Kitchen
[Kitchen] Easy Development Studio
Ultimate Apk Workshop
[MULTI-TOOL] StudioAndroid (cross-platform)
[CM10] [PPA] Cyanogenmod Compiler v0.6
[UTILITY] Android Utility - [apktool|dex2jar|smali|more][Mac & Linux][Feb13, 2012]
[KITCHEN]Android Kernel Kitchen 0.3.1 (Linux / Windows)
[INFO] WaccoPedia - Sharing is Caring Thanks to hdorius for the link.
A quick tutorial on SplashScreens by Glevitan
[ATTN - ALL ANDROID DEVS] General Public License
And it has moderator approval, so please only report posts if they actually require attention.
Yes let the fun begin
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INDEX
ABSTRACT
The present document pretends to guide the noobs and not so noobs in their flashing / modding / theming way. It covers what the team thought is the basic stuff you should be in knowledge of and may be the most helpful. Any suggestions about the contents or stuff that you think should be included are welcomed, just let us know.
Guide Index
1.Basic Stuff: In this section you will find the common language that is related to Android / HTC Ace devices. This is fundamental for you to understand how things work.
2.Rooting: THIS IS OUT OF SERVICE...CHECK THE UNLOCKING BOOTLOADER TOOL IN PARAGRAPH 4
3.Fixing a messed bootloader: You are not good at listening advices or reading for comprehension. You flashed a froyo RUU or hboot in your GB shipped device? Thank God attn1 was around. This is the Hboot fix for you. All credits go for the Hack Kit Channel devs. I have not done anything but put it here
4.HTCDEV tool: So far, this is the best and only way to do the flashing stuff....
5.Unrooting: In case you need to take your phone to the service centre or lost your mind and want the stock rom back (is there anybody that actually does? :cyclops ) you will find everything you need to know here.
6.Flashing roms: The right steps to flash successfully a custom rom…you can´t miss it. If you do, then you haven´t read carefully.
7.Doing / Restoring a nandroid backup: In case you mess it or you don't like what you get on a new rom, a nand backup is what will save your A**. Follow the path and you will see the light at the end of the tunnel.
8.Radio / RILs: All the radio / RILs related issues, follow this or you will regret it!!
9.Kernels: Everything you always wanted to know about kernels but you didn't dare to ask. Links on line now..:silly:
10.Trouble shooting: I guess this will be the most visited section of the guide. OF COURSE YOU DIDN´T READ THE ABOVE. NOW YOU ARE HERE BUDDY FIX YOURSELF A GOOD READ
11.Customization: For those who would like to start customizing your devices, here you will find a good point of start but THIS IS JUST THE BEGUINNING [/QUOTE]
12.Battery drain issues: I HAVE FLASHED A NEW ROM AND MY BATTERY IS DRAINING WAY TO FASSSSSST!. Well that could be normal, just read and learn before you run out of battery...lol
Find the document here: http://d-h.st/Ii2
FAQ & Notice
FAQ :
What Is the Best Battery,Performance GB/ICS/JB ROM?
There is no best ROM, the opinion of each ROM is different from one person to the other, it is subjective.
Is there a recommended Radio for ROM x?
There isn't a recommended radio for any ROM, since the Radio depends where you live, it is best to test each one for a few days to see which one works best for you.
Can I Flash RIL For AOSP ROM?
No, the RIL is sense based ROM,AOSP RIL is provided in the ROM
How Can I Boot in Recovery/Bootloader if My Volume Rocker is Broken?
You must setup adb and then the command:
adb reboot recovery/bootloader
Why Don't We Have Any OFFICIAL CM9 ROM?
Because the CM team always makes everything work (camera, camcorder, etc) and since we don't have the kernel 3.0 source, there isn't any OFFICIAL CM ROM from them.
Is There Any Official Rooted Sense 3.0 ROM?
Yes, There it is
Notice when Posting On the Dev Thread :
Please Read the First Post, It Usually Stated What's Working and Not Working
Don't Post Any THANKS, just use the thanks button
Don't Even Ask ETA of the ROM, the ROM will update when it's ready
Full Wipe Is Recommended when Updating the ROM, but also can try it without (this is basic,even if it's not stated on 1st post)
ADB is easy, very simple to use. Its the CLI interface that most cannot get used to and are afraid of.
A great XDA guide/overview on ADB here. --> [GUIDE] ADB - Usage, Tips, Tricks and More!
After a full wipe including sd card, to restore a backup mount sd card to pc, create the folder "clockworkmod/backup" place backup there - unmount, flash.
Is there a way to flash a backup using adb? If yes, do the folders need to be created or not and what would the command be? I couldn't find an answer for that.
Edit: Answer is no. Why? I have no clue.
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Teichopsia said:
After a full wipe including sd card, to restore a backup mount sd card to pc, create the folder "clockworkmod/backup" place backup there - unmount, flash.
Is there a way to flash a backup using adb? If yes, do the folders need to be created or not and what would the command be? I couldn't find an answer for that.
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ok, I will start tonight at home....let's start from the beguining...we can not forget the section...Can I mess my bootloader for not reading? YESSSSS...hahahaha
GuyInTheCorner said:
+1 adding him will get us some recognition and a solid backgroud
Thanks
Sent from my Desire HD with BlackIce.
Thanks don't hurt ya know?!
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Just will have to wait for his reply. Wanna help glevitan with finding relevant threads? Pm these if you find links. I.e. not able to boot, bricked, qsoad or whatever error and so forth. The more comolete the better.
hdorius said:
Maybe i could make the FAQ that usually asked in Q&A..if u have something to add just tell me,i will add it
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Looking good. It would also be nice to add in a different post tips for porting/rom dev or whatever it is you know to do
I'll search to see if I can find anything.
Sent from a dream.
Guys I am working on the Ace guide...is quite ambitious so it will probably need a good review before seeing the light!....Will send u the document in a couple of hours!....:good:
Teichopsia said:
Bumping myself cause I can. Anyone?
@hdorius - what do you know to do? Didn't you port paranoidandroid? The faq's look good but needs some editing/correction. Where are you from? What's your first language? Do you need help with that?
@Guy - what happened buddy? In the previous page I suggested a few things. Apps? It depends what the others think. I don't see this as a standard.
@miukkuman - where are you?
By the way, where are you from? What do you know to do in the android world or what are you interested in learning?
@everyone - the idea behind this thread is:
- I rather ask each one of you to tell me what you understood which is the idea behind this thread - what you understood. If you didn't understand then I'll need to find a better way to explain myself.
Don't forget to let me know if you know the adb question above.
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ok, before sending the file via PM, I can answer you...there's no choice of restoring a backup from adb. That is the same as flashing a Custom Rom....those files are packed in a certain way that won't be possible to be flashed in hboot (PD98IMG.zip) way.
glevitan said:
ok, before sending the file via PM, I can answer you...there's no choice of restoring a backup from adb. That is the same as flashing a Custom Rom....those files are packed in a certain way that won't be possible to be flashed in hboot (PD98IMG.zip) way.
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Thanks bub, so no can do. I don't believe in 'no can do's
Did you read my question about the hboot interface in the other thread? This, and the above question is simply a language (which I know absolutely nothing about) - there must be a way to get them talking to each other.
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I'm from Indonesia mate, my first language is Indonesian... But i also know English, so i think i dont have any problem with it...
And regarding to the FAQ, you said that it needs to some correction... And you want me to add some porting guide on it?
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hdorius said:
I'm from Indonesia mate, my first language is Indonesian... But i also know English, so i think i dont have any problem with it...
And regarding to the FAQ, you said that it needs to some correction... And you want me to add some porting guide on it?
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Anything you like really, it's your show. Porting? There are plenty guides for that. If you know any good ones I can link them in the third post. Can you look through the ones I posted to see which are good and if there are any ones that are repetitive or if there are better ones than the ones I posted? Especially the flashable zip link, since I don't know anything about that, maybe there is a betrer one or a guide or a tool for it?
I'll pm you in about 20 minutes.
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I found a good link, it should be added in third post
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1380385
All thanks to Wacco (Waccopedia)
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Greets to all
Greets to all from another noob. Well, not a complete noob but a noob here on XDA given my few posts. My deep thanks for allowing a thread where sometimes there just might not be such a thing as a stupid question but honest ones instead,.... Hoping I can contribute something here as an owner of a softbank DHD here in Kyoto, Japan aka the 001HT. I spend alot of time trying to dig up general info from all over the i'net to help answer questions especially for ACE owners so I hope that might be of some help. Grant Barker's homepage is a great resource, (hope its allowed to mention that~). My first minor contribution------ 64GB MicroSD card usage with the DHD. It may already be well-known but for all us noobs who aren't too sure make no mistake..... I have the SanDisk Class 10 64GB MicroSD card and it works flawlessly in my DHD. Since I like to pack lots of MP3's and several full-length HD movies into my handset (helps keep the kids quiet on long drives ) being able to have that much storage space is a blessing! So, just to reiterate, 64GB microSD card--- no problems!
Blasphemer666 said:
Greets to all from another noob. Well, not a complete noob but a noob here on XDA given my few posts. My deep thanks for allowing a thread where sometimes there just might not be such a thing as a stupid question but honest ones instead,.... Hoping I can contribute something here as an owner of a softbank DHD here in Kyoto, Japan aka the 001HT. I spend alot of time trying to dig up general info from all over the i'net to help answer questions especially for ACE owners so I hope that might be of some help. Grant Barker's homepage is a great resource, (hope its allowed to mention that~). My first minor contribution------ 64GB MicroSD card usage with the DHD. It may already be well-known but for all us noobs who aren't too sure make no mistake..... I have the SanDisk Class 10 64GB MicroSD card and it works flawlessly in my DHD. Since I like to pack lots of MP3's and several full-length HD movies into my handset (helps keep the kids quiet on long drives ) being able to have that much storage space is a blessing! So, just to reiterate, 64GB microSD card--- no problems!
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Thanks for the feedback Blashpemer666, hopefully you manage to refrain yourself in front of the kids.
Absolutely, we were all noobs, still are and probably remain being noobs. There is too much information to cover and too little time to do it in. We here are just trying to return to the community what they have given us by helping the new members whenever they need it and whenever we can, to the best of our knowledge, by pointing them in the right direction. Any and all suggestions are welcome.
Check the second post, it has been updated.
@glevitan, pm.ed you.
@hdorius, same to you. There are a few mistakes in the pm I sent.

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