t8585 and us tmobile hd2

t8585 and us tmobile hd2 - HD2 General

hi, this is actually mi first post here, but i am a little confuse. i have a t-mobile US hd2 and i'm looking for some accessories on ebay but some of them say that are for the t8585 but not compatible for the t-mobile us hd2. is there a real difference between them? i might think some software can be difference but are they different is size?
is this for real?

The international HD2 and the TMOUS versions are different and depending on the accessory, may not be compatible. It has to do with the shape of the phone. So cases, vehicle mounts, etc. might not work. I have purchased several items for my TMOUS HD2 that i had to modify in order to make it fit. Again, depending on the item it may be impossible to make it fit right. If the seller says it's not compatable with US version, I would take their word for it.
So to answer your question simply: Yes. This is for real.

Thanks Faelok,
i almost buy a car mount even seeing it says not for US HD2, i guess i have to read all the info when buying accessories for it thanks again

That is the difference
http://pocketnow.com/thought/t-mobile-hd2-vs-htc-hd2-comparison

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HD2 - Tmobile UK vs US Version Comparisons Thread

Had been following the various happenings related to HD2... among other things ....
- The fact that Microsoft states that WP7 does not run on the machine when it actually has the horsepower to do so ....
- The fact that all HD2's out there had a hidden amount of RAM
- The probability that HD2's HAVE a TV-Out after all (chipset indeed supports it)
- The other not so pleasing fact that i got my Touch HD nicked a couple of weeks ago
All led me to buy another HD .... But I soon realised that I ran into a dilemma ....
I purchased (still on the way) .... an HD2 on T mobile UK but I ran into the assumption that T mobile US and UK supply the same specs on the HD2.....
As far as the Tmobile US is concerned - This HD2 , is:
- 122mm long (unlike the regular HD2 which is 120mm long)
- Has 1GB ROM
- Has 512 MB of RAM
- Has Headset included
- Has 16GB microSD included
- Has Gel Case included
On the other hand ... Tmobile UK has no specs whatsoever on the site ...it says however that
- it is 121mm long (which makes me hope that it is the 122mm version)
- Has limited several video streaming apps (can be easily rectified)
- 1Gb or 512MB ROM size (can it be unlocked on all HD2's like RAM?)
- 448MB or 512MB RAM size (can be rectified thanks to custom ROM)
- Has or has not a headset?
- Has or has not a MicroSD card?
- Has or Has not a leather pouch?
I understand that there might have been bundle upgrades as far as Tmobile UK is concerned but I would like to create this thread (with the help of this great community) to clear out any confusion for people out there seeking an HD2 .....
First of all I was unable to find whether or not the ROM size could unlocked in a similar fashion to how RAM size.... At this point I don't even know whether all T mobile HD2's come with 1GB of ROM ....
What's more is that now I realised that there is a T8585 HD2. I reckon that the T8585 version is the 120mm standard HD2 and a T9193 HD2 is the one which is slightly longer.... but yet again I got to confirm this.
So I am hereby inviting all T mobile US / UK HD2 owners to share their knowledge / experience
Many Thanks

The T-Mobile UK is the same as the euro models... it is a T8585. The T-Mo US model is the only one that's different size and has the 1gb ROM. All other models have 512mb. You cannot unlock more ROM. The T9193 is the australian version with different radio bands... other than that, it is the same size as the euro/UK models and has same RAM/ROM. Also, the T8585 and T9183 are 120.5mm to be exact, while the US model is 122mm.
Alcatrazx said:
Had been following the various happenings related to HD2... among other things ....
- The fact that Microsoft states that WP7 does not run on the machine when it actually has the horsepower to do so ....
- The fact that all HD2's out there had a hidden amount of RAM
- The probability that HD2's HAVE a TV-Out after all (chipset indeed supports it)
- The other not so pleasing fact that i got my Touch HD nicked a couple of weeks ago
All led me to buy another HD .... But I soon realised that I ran into a dilemma ....
I purchased (still on the way) .... an HD2 on T mobile UK but I ran into the assumption that T mobile US and UK supply the same specs on the HD2.....
As far as the Tmobile US is concerned - This HD2 , is:
- 122mm long (unlike the regular HD2 which is 120mm long)
- Has 1GB ROM
- Has 512 MB of RAM
- Has Headset included
- Has 16GB microSD included
- Has Gel Case included
On the other hand ... Tmobile UK has no specs whatsoever on the site ...it says however that
- it is 121mm long (which makes me hope that it is the 122mm version)
- Has limited several video streaming apps (can be easily rectified)
- 1Gb or 512MB ROM size (can it be unlocked on all HD2's like RAM?)
- 448MB or 512MB RAM size (can be rectified thanks to custom ROM)
- Has or has not a headset?
- Has or has not a MicroSD card?
- Has or Has not a leather pouch?
I understand that there might have been bundle upgrades as far as Tmobile UK is concerned but I would like to create this thread (with the help of this great community) to clear out any confusion for people out there seeking an HD2 .....
First of all I was unable to find whether or not the ROM size could unlocked in a similar fashion to how RAM size.... At this point I don't even know whether all T mobile HD2's come with 1GB of ROM ....
What's more is that now I realised that there is a T8585 HD2. I reckon that the T8585 version is the 120mm standard HD2 and a T9193 HD2 is the one which is slightly longer.... but yet again I got to confirm this.
So I am hereby inviting all T mobile US / UK HD2 owners to share their knowledge / experience
Many Thanks
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But...
This would mean that ... if WP7 will use 1GB ROM, it would be impossible to place it on Euro HD2's. Am I correct in stating this?
Besides what proof is there that the ROM cannot be unlocked just like the RAM? What is that extra mm on the US version housing underneath the hood?

Alcatrazx said:
This would mean that ... if WP7 will use 1GB ROM, it would be impossible to place it on Euro HD2's. Am I correct in stating this?
Besides what proof is there that the ROM cannot be unlocked just like the RAM? What is that extra mm on the US version housing underneath the hood?
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Cotulla found out the rom chip models used in the Euro and the US versions and they are different. The US models uses a 1gb chip, the euro/uk/aus models use a 512mb chip. Besides, if it could be unlocked, I'm sure they would have discovered it by now. Other than that, I don't think theres any dfference in the models, so I don't know why they made the US model bigger. Some say it was to fit the T-mobile logo, but that doesn't make much sense. But they are always making phone different sizes for different carriers and countries, even when the insides are the same. I remember there was like 3 different looking touchpros for different carriers.
Also, they are not making an official upgrade to wp7, but I'm sure the unofficial one will work on both the 512mb and 1gb models. I believe most developers on it are using 512mb models, so I wouldn't worry about that. I don't see the extra rom being a big deal. I would gladly trade my US hd2 for an austrlian T9193 model so I could use at&t's 3g service.

Thanks so far....
zarathustrax said:
Cotulla found out the rom chip models used in the Euro and the US versions and they are different. The US models uses a 1gb chip, the euro/uk/aus models use a 512mb chip. Besides, if it could be unlocked, I'm sure they would have discovered it by now. Other than that, I don't think theres any dfference in the models, so I don't know why they made the US model bigger. Some say it was to fit the T-mobile logo, but that doesn't make much sense. But they are always making phone different sizes for different carriers and countries, even when the insides are the same. I remember there was like 3 different looking touchpros for different carriers.
Also, they are not making an official upgrade to wp7, but I'm sure the unofficial one will work on both the 512mb and 1gb models. I believe most developers on it are using 512mb models, so I wouldn't worry about that. I don't see the extra rom being a big deal. I would gladly trade my US hd2 for an austrlian T9193 model so I could use at&t's 3g service.
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So Let me understand you right, just for clarity's sake:
T8585 - EURO Version - 120.5mm long / 512ROM / 576RAM
T9193 - AUSSIE Version - 120.5mm long/ 512ROM / 576RAM/Differing Radio bands
Txxxx - US Version - 122,, long / 1GB ROM / 576RAM / NO 3G?
I reckon that that 1mm extra is nothing but some form of identification to recognise the 1GB model straightaway. Is there a way to put an OS in a some High Speed Micro SD card and boot another OS from it? Cos that would solve the issue of small Rom chips....
I also was in doubt because there were some 'leaked' specs which showed the forthcoming T mobile UK with the 1GB ROM and the 512MB RAM and also the 16GB Sd Card
At this point it would be helpful if the Tmobile UK people, speak up a bit ...Would be helpful if you state whether its UK or US and WHEN you bought this mobile and what was bundled with it. Anyone from UK ?

Alcatrazx said:
At this point it would be helpful if the Tmobile UK people, speak up a bit ...Would be helpful if you state whether its UK or US and WHEN you bought this mobile and what was bundled with it. Anyone from UK ?
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bought mine from a t-mob store, not online.
in the box:
#/ phone (obviously! lol)
#/ wired headset (with seperate foam earpeice covers and clothing grip)
#/ USB data cable
*which combines with*
#/ generic charger supplied with UK plug adapter giving a usb port, so plub in the data cable to charge from the wall.
#/ 2bg microSD and full size SD adapter
aswell as all the bumf of manuals etc.
im abit peeved there was no form of case/screen protector like i got with my TYTN II

quasi_mojo said:
bought mine from a t-mob store, not online.
in the box:
#/ phone (obviously! lol)
#/ wired headset (with seperate foam earpeice covers and clothing grip)
#/ USB data cable
*which combines with*
#/ generic charger supplied with UK plug adapter giving a usb port, so plub in the data cable to charge from the wall.
#/ 2bg microSD and full size SD adapter
aswell as all the bumf of manuals etc.
im abit peeved there was no form of case/screen protector like i got with my TYTN II
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Exactly the same here, bought from a T Mob shop in February 2010

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davemazo said:
Exactly the same here, bought from a T Mob shop in February 2010
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Let me guess .... Colour of box was Green on the inside with a white sliding cover on the outside?
Also just for kicks ... could you tell us if they are T8585's and also specify the ROM and RAM size?
As I said earlier T mobile uk seems to be bundling the improved HD2 with the 1GB Rom and the 16GB SD Card ... clearly this isn't your version ... cos of the SD CARD that came with it ....
Some time before there were bundles coming out of T Mobile with no pocket / no stylus and no Sd Card as well... but this dates back to November 09 if I am not mistaken.

if thats the case then im taking mine back!

im having a problem determining which model i have? any ideas? been searching the last 10 mins with no luck

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quasi_mojo said:
if thats the case then im taking mine back!
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It needs to be confirmed as yet ... You'll have to wait for an official package description on T mob UK site before taking yours back....!
But if you take a quick look at T mobile uk's site ... you will instantly realise that as far as specs are concerned .... there is no ram or rom mentioned.....
This is because they "quietly but brilliantly" changing onto the 1GB Rom model ?
Mine is still in the mail so I cannot confirm with you as yet.... but will let you know as soon as I get it unlocked ....

Alcatrazx said:
Let me guess .... Colour of box was Green on the inside with a white sliding cover on the outside?
some time before there were bundles coming out of T Mobile with no pocket / no stylus and no Sd Card as well... but this dates back to November 09 if I am not mistaken.
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Hi,
I've never heard of any service provider who has ever provided a stylus with the HD2. All the news we were hearing about the T-Mobile US release led me to believe that T-Mobile UK were delivering the standard european device and the US model was just for the US. T-Mobile UK don't seem to go into specification details on their web site but the device has the normal white european buttons so if there was additional internal storage that would mean yet another model (and T-Mobile make no reference to this fact). They certainly don't appear to state anything about "bundling the improved HD2..." They don't appear to me offering an SD card according to their UK site either.

ok....
quasi_mojo said:
im having a problem determining which model i have? any ideas? been searching the last 10 mins with no luck
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Simple ... you got to go into the system information ... check how much ROM and how much RAM you have ....
Also if you tell us what came with it, and when you bought it, it would help as well....
Most probably its a T8585 as someone else kindly pointed out earlier on....

cMMY69 said:
Hi,
I've never heard of any service provider who has ever provided a stylus with the HD2. All the news we were hearing about the T-Mobile US release led me to believe that T-Mobile UK were delivering the standard european device and the US model was just for the US. T-Mobile UK don't seem to go into specification details on their web site but the device has the normal white european buttons so if there was additional internal storage that would mean yet another model (and T-Mobile make no reference to this fact). They certainly don't appear to state anything about "bundling the improved HD2..." They don't appear to me offering an SD card according to their UK site either.
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Erm if you see a previous post which I had up there .... I said exactly what you said ...
- T mobile specifications are very vague....
- They would not tell you if its improved or not because it would cause havoc for those customers who just acquired the phone ....
- Thirdly it is clear that the initial bundle came with NO Sd card, then they started putting in a 2 GB MicroSd .... now there is talk about this 16Gb version hitting the streets in due course...
Just wanted to confirm if this is true maybe through somebody who just got one .....
As far as the stylus is concerned you are right ... but it is available as an option from HTC ...

I haven't heard of T-mobile UK offering updated hd2s. The US T-mo does offer 3g, by the way, but on the 1700/2100 band, which isn't used by many other carriers except t-mo US. I mentioned the australian T9193 because it uses the same 850 band that at&t uses in the US, which has much better coverage than t-mobile US. Thats why I would prefer that model and at&t as a carrier... but it costs $800 to import one, compared to the $200 I paid for the T-Mo US HD2 with contract.
Anyways, for T-Mo UK to offer the 1gb rom hd2s, it would mean a completely new model for htc to make with the UK bands, so I see it unlikely they would do this for a phone thats been out for almost 6 months already. I think you will get a 512mb rom phone with T-Mo UK if they haven't stated otherwise. They would probably make a big deal if they were upgrading it and we would have heard about it.

quasi_mojo said:
bought mine from a t-mob store, not online.
in the box:
#/ phone (obviously! lol)
#/ wired headset (with seperate foam earpeice covers and clothing grip)
#/ USB data cable
*which combines with*
#/ generic charger supplied with UK plug adapter giving a usb port, so plub in the data cable to charge from the wall.
#/ 2bg microSD and full size SD adapter
aswell as all the bumf of manuals etc.
im abit peeved there was no form of case/screen protector like i got with my TYTN II
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^ i refer you to post 6 mr alcatrazx
ROM: 1.43.110.2 (70315)WWE
RAM: 448mb (flash 512mb)

zarathustrax said:
I haven't heard of T-mobile UK offering updated hd2s. The US T-mo does offer 3g, by the way, but on the 1700/2100 band, which isn't used by many other carriers except t-mo US. I mentioned the australian T9193 because it uses the same 850 band that at&t uses in the US, which has much better coverage than t-mobile US. Thats why I would prefer that model and at&t as a carrier... but it costs $800 to import one, compared to the $200 I paid for the T-Mo US HD2 with contract.
Anyways, for T-Mo UK to offer the 1gb rom hd2s, it would mean a completely new model for htc to make with the UK bands, so I see it unlikely they would do this for a phone thats been out for almost 6 months already. I think you will get a 512mb rom phone with T-Mo UK if they haven't stated otherwise. They would probably make a big deal if they were upgrading it and we would have heard about it.
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Well that would be still good to know ... As long as WP7 still will run on 512MB I will be more than glad with the HD2
Anyways if anyone can recommend me a company which provides a factory unlock code via IMEI for T-Mo Uk HD2 it would be great if you p.m me. I've heard that I could do it for free through some existing T mobile client but I don't know anyone So thanks for clarifications

oh...
quasi_mojo said:
^ i refer you to post 6 mr alcatrazx
ROM: 1.43.110.2 (70315)WWE
RAM: 448mb (flash 512mb)
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It's a T8585 then

ta da!
we got there in the end lol
now to decide which rom to go for... :s

Alcatrazx said:
Well that would be still good to know ... As long as WP7 still will run on 512MB I will be more than glad with the HD2
Anyways if anyone can recommend me a company which provides a factory unlock code via IMEI for T-Mo Uk HD2 it would be great if you p.m me. I've heard that I could do it for free through some existing T mobile client but I don't know anyone So thanks for clarifications
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When they get a WP7 port working, I'm sure it will work with all the hd2s, as most of the good developers who would work on it will have the 512mb rom ones. The 1gb rom hd2s are limited to one country, while the rest of the world use 512mb roms.

Buying used, what to look for?

I'm finally going to purchase an HD2 around tomorrow, but I'm buying used because I don't want to get burnt after paying US$700 for a brand new HD2. After all, I found a guy that's selling his HD2 and claims that he only used the device for only a week.
What sort of things should I look in a used HD2? All I can think about are just dead pixels, reception quality, vibration (call/sms/notification), buttons, all screen area touchable without dead region, the usual physical run down, and ram to see whether it's prepro or final product (448 MB RAM).
What's the difference between T8585 & T9193? Do I need to look out for it? The HD2 in question is bought from Singapore and it's a GSM model. But I'm taking full precautionary measure as gray market imports can be just as wild as a KIRF... Might not know if it's a Singapore or Hongkong bought HD2. It's not T-Mobile HD2 that's for sure, but what other identifiable factors that I need to look out for?