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True 4G on our Atrixs

Just a thought... but if verizon was willing to upgrade all the xooms to 4G why doesn't AT&T do the same for our phones when they roll out their LTE? Just a thought since having a powerful device (even though its crippled) with awesome speeds would be nice.
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it's not that simple. there's no magic 'switch' or replaceable part that enables LTE.

That and the fact that the Xoom is a Google flagship device.

drock212 said:
Just a thought... but if verizon was willing to upgrade all the xooms to 4G why doesn't AT&T do the same for our phones when they roll out their LTE? Just a thought since having a powerful device (even though its crippled) with awesome speeds would be nice.
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Anyone who buys the Xoom now that wants LTE later has to send their device into Moto to have the hardware upgraded to support LTE

It's quite clear that the Xoom was designed with upgradability in mind while the Atrix wasn't. Actually if I remember correctly the Xoom has an open expansion slot. I'm sure ifixit would have the information. I know however that the Atrix radio chip is soldered in place. Realistically though, AT&T has no active LTE network and won't until probably after the T-Mobile acquisition is complete - they have started they want to use the AWS band for their LTE network. And by then we'll all be lining up to buy the next high end phone. Hexacore anyone?
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phobos512 said:
It's quite clear that the Xoom was designed with upgradability in mind while the Atrix wasn't. Actually if I remember correctly the Xoom has an open expansion slot. I'm sure ifixit would have the information. I know however that the Atrix radio chip is soldered in place. Realistically though, AT&T has no active LTE network and won't until probably after the T-Mobile acquisition is complete - they have started they want to use the AWS band for their LTE network. And by then we'll all be lining up to buy the next high end phone. Hexacore anyone?
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Well, they're using T-mo's bands to help expand their pre-determined LTE rollout from 80% to 95%. They also want to use T-Mo to help support their H+, but AT&T already had spectrum set up for their LTE before this acquisition

When LTE on AT&T is out you are going to have already your next Android phone with quad core processor;-)

mgymnop said:
When LTE on AT&T is out you are going to have already your next Android phone with quad core processor;-)
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We might be talking through biological implants in our ears

Poll: Do u think the Sprint Galaxy Nexus will be LTE or Wimax Ready?

Poll: Do u think the Sprint Galaxy Nexus will be LTE or Wimax Ready?

Thought this was discussed before but seeing that lte was such a big thing about the GN, i'm willing to put money on it being lte. Especially since sprint will be doing their upgrade to lte, why have such a top of the line, cutting edge phone on a network that's going bye bye?
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.OmEgA said:
Thought this was discussed before but seeing that lte was such a big thing about the GN, i'm willing to put money on it being lte. Especially since sprint will be doing their upgrade to lte, why have such a top of the line, cutting edge phone on a network that's going bye bye?
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Well i hope it is LTE. However i hope it doesn't make sprint release it late when lte finally rolls out.

If it doesn't come LTE ready then its probably a sales tactic. If it doesn't get rolled out til mid 2012 (LTE) then it wouldn't surprise me ifthey didn't have it.
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JohnCorleone said:
If it doesn't come LTE ready then its probably a sales tactic. If it doesn't get rolled out til mid 2012 (LTE) then it wouldn't surprise me ifthey didn't have it.
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When did u get a nexus s?

Also i think the could maybe release it earlier if it didn't have any 4g and just 3g.

is it possible for a phone to be both LTE and WiMax? because if not, and Sprint's actually getting this thing next month, there's no way it'll be an LTE device. Sprint won't have LTE ready for the better part of a year at the earliest.

My gut feel, for the timing of it, is that it won't have any 4g. 6 months ago that would have been crazy, but it wouldn't look as bad now sitting on the shelf next to an iPhone.

bohiti said:
My gut feel, for the timing of it, is that it won't have any 4g. 6 months ago that would have been crazy, but it wouldn't look as bad now sitting on the shelf next to an iPhone.
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Ya i forgot the 3g only option in the poll

Sammy hax the wimax antennas and they got to get rd of them. Wimax has to stay around for a year or better for the people with phones and hotspot cards for home and laptops. Unless there is only one version of the prime, I think they will get there own flavor with wimax.
Got to justify the $10 extra right?

Specs for Galaxy Nexus Prime say LTE and Hspa, no WiMax. Unless they are going to build a special one for sprint 4G will be out of the equation for awhile. Here:
http://www.google.com/nexus/#utm_campaign=us&utm_source=ha-bk&utm_medium=sem&utm_term=+nexus +prime

at first i thought no wimax but it would be stupid to put a lte radio when its going to costs sprint extra money. i am positive they have an inventory of wimax radios they need to get rid of.

It's going to have an LTE radio.
There's no way that they're going to make a special device with Wimax just for Sprint [Now that Sprint has declared Wimax dead] and there's no way that it's not going to have a 4g option [Considering being LTE/HSPA+ capable was part of the presentation]
Being as LTE is right around the corner for Sprint, it's a good selling point too.

I will eat my own head if Sprint releases an LTE phone with functioning LTE network anywhere by Spring 2012.

DroidApprentice said:
I will eat my own head if Sprint releases an LTE phone with functioning LTE network anywhere by Spring 2012.
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That's cool. Sprint never said "Spring 2012"
They said "midyear 2012"
Also, couple of replies to this:
1) If you fully understood Network Vision you would understand why it is going to be very easy for Sprint to reach it's goal of 120 million LTE covered by the end of next year.
2) And really more importantly, if you completely understood Network Vision you would realize that LTE really isn't that important.
The speeds delivered by their 3g coverage, with the roll out of Network Vision, will be more than sufficient enough to not validate wasting the significant battery LTE takes.

I can't see Sprint releasing a phone with a 4g radio that cannot be used on its network now - just does not look good from the marketing standpoint. Therefore, I think Nexus Prime Sprint will have a WiMax radio.

dohturdima said:
I can't see Sprint releasing a phone with a 4g radio that cannot be used on its network now - just does not look good from the marketing standpoint. Therefore, I think Nexus Prime Sprint will have a WiMax radio.
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You think its a better marketing standpoint to release a phone with "4g" technology that they're moving away from?

dohturdima said:
I can't see Sprint releasing a phone with a 4g radio that cannot be used on its network now - just does not look good from the marketing standpoint. Therefore, I think Nexus Prime Sprint will have a WiMax radio.
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Wouldn't be the first time Sprint releases a phone with features that are planned for future deployment. The EVO 3D comes with their CDMA push to talk technology that's replacing iden. Wouldn't be surprising at all if the Galaxy Nexus included an LTE radio on Sprint's band. I'd really love Sprint's version to be a world phone. Hopefully they can include GSM and HSPA+.
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It's highly possible that the Sprint Galaxy Nexus will include EVDO rev B with 1X Advanced. That means it's 3G speeds could reach 10 Mbps with voice and data simultaneously. That wouldn't be so bad.
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kaotikevo said:
It's highly possible that the Sprint Galaxy Nexus will include EVDO rev B with 1X Advanced. That means it's 3G speeds could reach 10 Mbps with voice and data simultaneously. That wouldn't be so bad.
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Sprint isn't going with Evdo rev. B though...

Atrix & Atrix 4G TR-US Different?

Hi.I'm a user from Turkey.I have a question.Can i flash Motorola atrix 4g roms on my motorla atrix?Because the version in Turkey isn't atrix 4g,only atrix.Some says it will brick my phone flashing atrix 4g roms.They are both mb860 but they say Turkish version do no support 4g network.Is there any difference between US and TR versions of atrix?Can i flash atrix 4g roms an kernels?Please advise need help

Theyre the exact same, the American Atrix isnt really 4G, its just really fast 3G, and that may not be available in Turkey. You'll still have 3G though, and Flashing Roms is safe as far as I know.

ripin150 said:
Theyre the exact same, the American Atrix isnt really 4G, its just really fast 3G, and that may not be available in Turkey. You'll still have 3G though, and Flashing Roms is safe as far as I know.
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HSPA+ is still classified as 4g technology, just because it isn't LTE doesn't make it any less 4G
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ripin150 said:
Theyre the exact same, the American Atrix isnt really 4G, its just really fast 3G, and that may not be available in Turkey. You'll still have 3G though, and Flashing Roms is safe as far as I know.
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You say falshing atrix 4g roms & kernels doesnt brick my phone all right?

wifi may be different. Channels 12-14 are not allowed in the U.S., but are allowed in other countries. The stock AT&T motorola builds do not support these channels.
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Alcapone263 said:
HSPA+ is still classified as 4g technology, just because it isn't LTE doesn't make it any less 4G
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HSPA+ is not classified as 4g because it is not a real advance in this type of tech same as WiMax. just to be clear, not judging or anything like that. i.e. ntt docomo tested 100.00 mbps years ago and it was still 3g.
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Alcapone263 said:
HSPA+ is still classified as 4g technology, just because it isn't LTE doesn't make it any less 4G
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I fail to see how your comment was constructive, either way, I have serious doubts his carrier will have the technology to broadcast HSPA+.
To the OP, as far as ROMs and stuff go, yes, they will work. How much network functionality you get really just depends. I'm pretty certain youll at least retain Call/SMS capability.

I now own both an Atrix 4G and Atrix... now I just want clarify a few things for you based on two stock devices.
The Atrix 4G is a very crippled, and restricted version of the Atrix. In fact, the Atrix is more 4G than the Atrix 4G if you want to play to ATT's marketing crud.
Why? The bands it supports. The Atrix will support 3G(UMTS/HSDPA/HSUPA/HSPA/HSPA+ are all forms of 3G and HSPA+ is not 4G as AT&T call it. In the UK, THREE have HSPA+ that runs at 42mbps, but they don't call it 4G!) on 850/900/1900/2100 where as the Atrix 4G only supports these on 850/1900/2100
One advantage the Atrix 4G has over the Atrix is that you don't need to apply a ram fix when flashing roms (however it looks as if people have started to incorporate this into their roms anyway).
I'll be doing a comparison video at some point to explain this in more detail. Check this link here for some rough differences: http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=3709&idPhone2=3708
I haven't investigated however if flashing a Atrix 4G Baseband/Radio to an Atrix will have any detrimental effect, other than maybe the issue you get with a Atrix 4G where if you flash an Atrix baseband/radio to an Atrix 4G your 3G signal bar reads 0 all the time.

Understood thanx.The problem is in the sms function.There will be no Turkish characters when i flash US roms am i right?How can i get ICS roms with TR caharacter support or a multilanguage support?And can you advise me a rom and kernel which is superior in performance (especially gaming) and ICS based?I hope 3G will work proper with US roms&kernels

el_venga said:
HSPA+ is not classified as 4g because it is not a real advance in this type of tech same as WiMax. just to be clear, not judging or anything like that. i.e. ntt docomo tested 100.00 mbps years ago and it was still 3g.
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http://www.goinglte.com/the-disorga...tion-how-the-itu-rendered-hspa-a-4g-standard/
Sorry, the classification isn't your decision.
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Should i buy now or wait for 7105

I really want to get my hands on the note 2 but my mind tells me to wait for the US lte version but im dying to have one as soon as possibe. Will you wait for the lte or will you just buy the international 3g version only?

Get it if you don't mind slow ass data on a $700 device.
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shook187 said:
Get it if you don't mind slow ass data on a $700 device.
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True , i would rather wait as it will be annouced on the 24th here in the US . International user would cry in envy not having an lte and for what i know the UK will be introducing the lte band by the end of october which makes the international 3g version seems obsolete in lessthan 2mos.

mywingtophone said:
True , i would rather wait as it will be annouced on the 24th here in the US . International user would cry in envy not having an lte and for what i know the UK will be introducing the lte band by the end of october which makes the international 3g version seems obsolete in lessthan 2mos.
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Thread closed!!! You already had your mind made up.
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mywingtophone said:
True , i would rather wait as it will be annouced on the 24th here in the US . International user would cry in envy not having an lte and for what i know the UK will be introducing the lte band by the end of october which makes the international 3g version seems obsolete in lessthan 2mos.
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LTE in the UK will initially only be available in 10 cities, and on ONE network. It'll be at least a year before other networks get theirs online as they spectrum sale isn't due to happen until spring 2013. Then it'll take a year or more to roll out to anywhere other than the major cities, then even more time for the contract prices to become reasonable.
By the time LTE becomes viable here, everyone's 2 year contracts on their N2's will be long finished.

For me 3G is enough, and it is absolutely not slow, 5-6 mbps is more than enough on a smartphone . Keep in mind the LTE consumes alot from the battery.
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I'm on 3G HSPA+, and achieve speeds of 10mbits down.
I'm happy as I've never had anything faster than 5mbits on iPhone 4. I'm in UK, so we're still deprived of 4G.
For those lot in the States, and if you're used to 4G speeds, I would say wait til your carrier offers it.

I guess it depends on your requirements, for me, I am on wifi 90% of the time, so it doesn't particulary interest me. Although of course it would be nice to have.

dont buy the international version, it's only GSM. Get the CDMA/LTE/GSM version when it comes out on Sprint or Verizon, and it's an international phone with support for even more frequencies.

FYI, Singapore will be selling international N7105 by end of OCT too. LTE version of cos.
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LG V20 H990DS T-Mobile LTE

I just got this int'l phone off Amazon, but I CANNOT enable 4G LTE on it for T-Mobile no matter what I do. Does anyone know how I can do this, or if I can??
Thank you in advance!!

Does the DS support bands 2, 4 or 12? If not, that's why.
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darkjedi said:
Does the DS support bands 2, 4 or 12? If not, that's why.
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According to this site, it does.
Also, I actually got this app last night and it confirms that despite what the status bar shows, I actually AM getting LTE. My area (Chicago) gets LTE Bands 2 & 4 currently from T-Mobile, but sometime before this summer (maybe sooner than later) we will finally get Band 12 as well! It's just dumb that the phone can't be more clear. My int'l Sony Xperia X Performance shows "LTE" at least for 4G LTE. THAT'S a lot better than just showing 4G for both. How am I supposed to know which one I'm in? lol I guess if I wanna know I'll have to use that app. But at least I get LTE, so that's cool.
Thanks!

Many phones outside North America don't actual say LTE in the task bar. I have the same phone and LTE shows as 4G+.
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Wooba99 said:
Many phones outside North America don't actual say LTE in the task bar. I have the same phone and LTE shows as 4G+.
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Wow. lol So lame. I don't mind it just saying "LTE" on my Xperia X Performance b/c at least the phrase "LTE" is there. Even 4G+ is way better than just showing 4G when it's in 4G LTE or 4G. lol But ok...........
I'm sure knowing from past experience in my area that the only time I'm really getting just 4G it only lasts for a short time anyway. But I saved like $200 buying the int'l version, plus it has B&O Certification where the U.S. version doesn't, so I guess that makes it worth it? (assuming that certification really means it ACTUALLY sounds better? lol)
Thanks Wooba!

RockStar2005 said:
Wow. lol So lame. I don't mind it just saying "LTE" on my Xperia X Performance b/c at least the phrase "LTE" is there. Even 4G+ is way better than just showing 4G when it's in 4G LTE or 4G. lol But ok...........
I'm sure knowing from past experience in my area that the only time I'm really getting just 4G it only lasts for a short time anyway. But I saved like $200 buying the int'l version, plus it has B&O Certification where the U.S. version doesn't, so I guess that makes it worth it? (assuming that certification really means it ACTUALLY sounds better? lol)
Thanks Wooba!
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It only says 4G when on LTE. HSPA+ and HSPA are both shown as H, and UMTS is shown as 3G. Atleast on my H990DS.

Yeah, i have the 990ds and I travel to Chicago, i live in Charlotte now, often to visit family and friends (I'm from Chicago) and LTE shows as 4G on those phone.