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Hi Folks,
i had a Sony Ericsson representative in our Store, and what he could say was that the Android Update ( in Germany ? ) comes on Q3 this year.
What he also said was that the Multitouch issue is not a hardware problem, it is more a patent problem and sony is waiting till things are cleared out.
So the display IS Multitouch capable, Andoid 2.1 could activate it, but sony could still lock the multitouch feature ( in their own ROM's of course ) if their staff thinks it is better than getting sued.
Kind regards
notimpyet
If it is true that the display supports MT, we will know it when it is possible to root out the X10, because we will be able to install him roms cooked with the activated multitouch.
You'll forgive us if we take this with a large helping of natrium chloride.
They have successfully rooted the x10, but i haven't seen any MT addon. Can someone point me in the right direction?
bavelb said:
They have successfully rooted the x10, but i haven't seen any MT addon. Can someone point me in the right direction?
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Sure, I will point you in the right direction: go to your favorite phone store, and buy an HTC Desire. Now you will have multitouch.
Informative Post !
Bravo.
Currently we have only "cracked" the ROM and not the Bootloader. Therefore we still cannot proof MT-Capabilities.
Best regards
MoS-tekknix
Cinner said:
Sure, I will point you in the right direction: go to your favorite phone store, and buy an HTC Desire. Now you will have multitouch.
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BRAVO ! I dont want to be rude but it is really interesting how people can be amazingly stupid and ask that multitouch question every day and when they see that SE has said that there will be NO MULTITOUCH EVER ON X10 !!!!!!!!!!!!! they still ask day after...
What i would like to see is an implementation of the really nice one-finger-zoom! They obviously developed it, now gief us ze goodies!
Sent from my X10i
So some SE representative knows better than SE product manager Rikard Skogberg, who in a thread in their product blog said: "There's no multitouch in X10 – and I also can confirm that it's not only related to [software] but also to [hardware]".
Cant we just stop with these threads about something thats just not there... It would have been gr8, but its not there, and will never be. So stop these posts about it.....
They even said that for the Mini but the Mini is hardware capable as was seen.
Ok i give up Go and get all excited, but dont blame SE, if it turns out it doesnt support it...
se_dude - Who's shown that the mini is h/w capable? I've not seen that?
Also regarding the MT questions on x10.. it's a bit like that film - Sixth Sense.. Except it's "I see stupid people".. they're everywhere.. we have get used to it!
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se_dude - Who's shown that the mini is h/w capable? I've not seen that?
Also regarding the MT questions on x10.. it's a bit like that film - Sixth Sense.. Except it's "I see stupid people".. they're everywhere.. we have get used to it!
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But the stupid...it hurts.
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se_dude - Who's shown that the mini is h/w capable? I've not seen that?
Also regarding the MT questions on x10.. it's a bit like that film - Sixth Sense.. Except it's "I see stupid people".. they're everywhere.. we have get used to it!
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the mini uses a synaptics cleartouch, so it is definitely mt capable
http://se-blog.com/exclusive-x10-mini-supports-multi-touch/
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http://se-blog.com/exclusive-x10-mini-supports-multi-touch/
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Straight from the horses mouth, it does not support multitouch. It's supports dualtouch which technically isn't multitouch.
Well, the HTC desire uses the same display sensor.
Hi Folks,
i had a Sony Ericsson representative in our Country, and what he could say was that the Android Update ( on Earth? ) comes on Q3 this year.
What he also said was that the phone can friggin' print money. It can produce and island and transform into an airplane and fly you there. And it can grant you 3 wishes which 1 of them can get you multitouch.
So the display IS Multitouch capable, but you'll have to wait for the wishing app to be activated.
Kind regards
notanotherwhineaboutnotmultitouch
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Well, the HTC desire uses the same display sensor.
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And that device doesn't fit the technical definition of multitouch either. The point is that SE is completely correct, from a technical standpoint, in stating that the X10 mini doesn't support multitouch.
Both the X10 and Desire support dualtouch which you can colloquially call multitouch but it's not multitouch according to the technical definition. So both SE and HTC are correct regarding their statement of multitouch suppport in their devices. HTC is correct from a layman's perspective whereas SE is correct from a technical point of view.
So people can bleet on all they want, SE is completely correct in stating that the X10 Mini does not support multitouch and no amount of angry mails and forumposts is going to change that.
I heard root activated the "Bad Touch", confirm/deny?
I've been single for a few months now, and I get lonely every now and then....
Sorry about the Title. The phone doesnt "suck" it is currently not to my liking. How long will it take before we can get our own 2.1 up and running. i just updated to the r20 build and its not much of an update really. not sure how sony thought this could hold people off
just got my x10, and after using a nexus one on 2.2 a samsung galaxy S this thing feels ancient. games dont run well the ui is super laggy and theres just a lack of features on this thing, mostly cause its running android 1.6. Am i doomed or are there some fixes to speed up the ui. now running adw which has helped the homescreen but i hate how the lockscreen has white text and a white unlock bar
*biip* *biip* Post something different :-/ and reading before posting is a good habit
The x10 does not suck at all dont know what your talking bout. Try adw launcher but first read the forums and update your firmware to the latest r2ba023 or 24. also use the htc keyboard mod along with adw and then tell us what u think.
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*biip* *biip* Post something different :-/ and reading before posting is a good habit
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no but really, im not trying to offend anyone who has one, if this was the only android phone i've ever used i'd say jeez, this thing is great, but after comparing to a samsung galaxy S, which is lighting quick this thing just doesnt perform the way it should based on the hardware specs
Why do idiots keep posting flamebait?
hey, it's not the phone..it must be you.
Nice Cam, nice Screen, nice Apps.
What can you offer?
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no but really, im not trying to offend anyone who has one, if this was the only android phone i've ever used i'd say jeez, this thing is great, but after comparing to a samsung galaxy S, which is lighting quick this thing just doesnt perform the way it should based on the hardware specs
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I've used X10 & Desire but this is not the issue. There are hundreds threads about these kind of topics where people compare X10 with Galaxy , Desire etc. A lot of threads against X10 where people bashing X10. You should continue there
Isn't the reason kind of obvious? The X10 is running 1.6. Once the bootloader is hacked, you will be able to install Cyanogen, which should be snappy. Or you can wait for 2.1, which should come in a couple of months.
Stupid thread. Someone can close this?
i agree.
wee discussed this a few times already and the result was that the X10 is a great phone and it does not suck.
if you don't like it do not buy it.
if you did buy it, then sell it and buy something else but this thime take your time and choose something you realy like .
Those guys should go and read Desire/Legend/Galaxy topics and they will see those have problems too
why does the x10 suck so bad!??
It must just be yours or you, as I love mine.
This OP and thread are lame. Seriously, stop whining like a spoiled 12 year old.
@ op Sony Ericsson is always slow to make software updates. I have owned 2 SE phones before the X10 and they have awesome hardware but always software issues.
The 2.1 update should speed things up and allow you to do more than what 1.6 allows.
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Isn't the reason kind of obvious? The X10 is running 1.6. Once the bootloader is hacked, you will be able to install Cyanogen, which should be snappy. Or you can wait for 2.1, which should come in a couple of months.
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This is more the response i was looking for. I was more or less asking how to make it better, just in my own unique way. Have people been reporting on the progress of the bootloader. the phones got great hardware, i like the screen i like all the other things people like. i just dont like the garbage software sony's left us with, if it has all the same components as a nexus one why shouldn't it preform just as well. Doesnt sony feel some sort of obligation to its customers to put the best possible product out there
Why don't you root it and than remove all the SE stuff? I recommend Titanium backup, with a push of a button you can remove any software that you want. I did this and i'm verry happy with my android device!
I refuse to believe when people saying that x10 its SLOW!
Jesus guys the phone running like hell.
Just free up some memory and remove some useless apps that autorun .
Vatis
It is really annoying when threads with titles like that appear on a device-dedicated forum.
Why the X10 sucks so bad?
I blame global warming!
You should start threads with valid questions.
Define what you mean by "suck".
The phone is fast, unless you need a phone that can read your mind...
"Oh, I should send an sms to my friend... Ooops! Message sent! Thank you Super Phone!"
The 2.1 update should give us more, rooting already gave us more control over it.
So, let's stop being whiny for a moment and just live a little.
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It is really annoying when threads with titles like that appear on a device-dedicated forum.
Why the X10 sucks so bad?
I blame global warming!
You should start threads with valid questions.
Define what you mean by "suck".
The phone is fast, unless you need a phone that can read your mind...
"Oh, I should send an sms to my friend... Ooops! Message sent! Thank you Super Phone!"
The 2.1 update should give us more, rooting already gave us more control over it.
So, let's stop being whiny for a moment and just live a little.
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terribly sorry did not mean to come here and bash your phones. i meant it in a joking fashion didnt know people held their x10s so close to their hearts. but the issue is there is no update in sight. carriers havent announced any future updates and sony doesnt seem to be doing much either. Are there any custom firmwares yet that run a bit faster and change things like home unlock screen or different media player
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no but really, im not trying to offend anyone who has one, if this was the only android phone i've ever used i'd say jeez, this thing is great, but after comparing to a samsung galaxy S, which is lighting quick this thing just doesnt perform the way it should based on the hardware specs
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the latest firmware is out, and you should be able to update through Sony Ericsson Update Service or PC Companion. Just go to the SE website and download software. Follow the instruction and update it, and you will see a big difference. Also Android 2.1 is coming for upgrade throught SE in Q3 or Q4, depending on the market region.
It is a good phone and you will love it once you got the update! cheers!
I know many threads have been closed since SE has confirmed that there will be no multi touch .. but many say that is to evade the multi touch patent case... which is being filled against apple and other phone manufacturers
since we know that SE PR were making statements few months back that MT will be available through upcomming frimware .
so my question is
Can X10 really capable of MT hardware wise ?
Is there any possiblity that we might able to bring MT enabled through custom roms and drivers ?
Is there hard evidence that X10 is not capable of MT ?
If so what do we need to enable it ?
To Mods : please dont close this thread , as many are spamming other threads reagarding this issue, so let this one thread be there to discuss the possiblity
SE staffs confirmed many time that the X10 Hardware does not support MT, so there is no way x10 can have MT (official/ unofficial).
what about Dualtouch??
What about NEVER ?
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i read somewhere that someone ripped off the whole x10 and got a screen shot of the lcd.. can we confirm that the lcd hardware doesnt support mt ...
there are rumours that se wanted to evade the lawsuit for mt
To all the people saying there is no multitouch or dualtouch ever you must be plain stupid. You cant claim that! Even if SE said so. There is 80% chance that the screen is at least dualtouch since it was first said that there will be multitouch by SE and than than they changed their mind. Think about it i think they are trying to avoid lawsuit by apple. Also there is such old phones that have at least dualtouch and you think x10 doesnt. There is plenty information pointing towards the posibility of the x10 having dualtouch. SE claimed that the mini didnt have it but yet it does. There is some chineese guy at some other forum that claims he has 2. 1 on it and that in fact its dualtouch but apperantly he is on vacation now so i cant confirm it. Stop saying never cause u dont know! Also the devs found a driver in the system for it if i recall it corectly. There is big chance that there is thats that im saying.
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Also i could care less about mt or dt but i get fustrated when i see people saying stuff like" how bout never"
like i said im 80% sure that there will be mt or dt and i am willing to bet any of these guys saying no and never like they know for sure.
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Lets wait and see... i think it has atleast dual touch.. but yeah im sure they are afraid of apple suing them directly. Just like how apple went and attacked HTC for senseUI and skipped google altogether. It is quite scary going up against Apple nowadays with its huge battlechest, SE has to play it safe in the meantime while it re structures itself
Can i have a gun and two bullets (in case i miss first time?) please?
Now, seriously.
This is a question asked a million times until now...
Until custom ROMs will be in the wild nobody knows.
It might have MT/DT but is disabled in kernel.
Or as SE hardware is missing.
Just wait damn it... why every 2 days somebody should open a thread/write a post about MT and Froyo?
i know people should stop asking its frustrating every week someone posting questions for mt. no one knows so dont listen when people say yes or no for sure. but there is a good chance is all i can say.
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Is MT working already?
I dont know if u are trying to be funny or you are slow? Have you read the posts in the tread at all? This is why this kind of threads should be closed.
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Why is Mutli touch so important?
seriously, what other function you want with mutli-touch beside playing games?
Go get a PSP if you want "REAL" games. All those phone games are never as fun as any of the psp games.
I personally don't even care about MT unless you really need more then 1 finger to practice your mastebation on your x10. Just use your tongue.
Multitouch or not i just got my Rachael today and i didn't get it hoping that it will support MT in the future, i bought it cuz i absolutely love the phone. I've been following news about it since it was first released. But right now my problem is to unlock the phone. I've tried Mobileincanada but they couldn't unlock it how sad.
I would think Sony would be pretty shortsided to release this phone with some of the best specs on the market and no offer something similar to multitouch. i would not be surprised if we get something like it in the future.
cwepruk said:
I would think Sony would be pretty shortsided to release this phone with some of the best specs on the market and no offer something similar to multitouch. i would not be surprised if we get something like it in the future.
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Yes they have it worked out it called "one finger" zoom, way better than pinch. One Finger Zoom People should really get over it, really just a gimmick anyway I've had it on my Magic for almost 2 years. I think I've used it all of 4 times, double tap works way better and you don't have to use both hands.
Hey Naveen, nice to see you here. Well, we will know for sure as soon as Cyanogen (custom ROMs) are ready. But, I am not counting on getting multi-touch.
~ Indyan
i don't get it how can one finger zoom stack with other long press function?
personaly i still think pinch zoom is the best solution for zooming though i really use zoom rarely.
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I want multi touch not for games or zooming.. but more on accuracy of button presses. Even the edge of the screen where its plastic is sensitive to touch, so just a small part of your finger touching the screen makes the phone register a press. With MT it can could recognize that you arent trying to press there, that your initial finger in the middle is what you really are pressing. Im happy with my x10 generally, but I wouldnt mind having it
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Lets wait and see... i think it has atleast dual touch.. but yeah im sure they are afraid of apple suing them directly. Just like how apple went and attacked HTC for senseUI and skipped google altogether. It is quite scary going up against Apple nowadays with its huge battlechest, SE has to play it safe in the meantime while it re structures itself
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I am wondering what is dual touch mean?
look at this link http://mobile.engadget.com/2010/09/06/samsung-i5700-galaxy-spica-hacked-for-multitouch-support/ also samsung has announced that it is only single touch , developers have enabled multitouch
First of all, what it has to do with X10? Second of all, You've got almost 2000 posts here and you still haven't learnt?
It could mean that even though SE says the X10 has no MT it actually may support it like this Samsung. I know SE is always truthful but there's always a chance.
I thought his purpose of posting it here was blatantly obvious...apparently some all can't figure it out.
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maybe maybenot maybe maybenot ..... This isn't getting us somewhere.
So i personally have no clue if it has MT or not, but I CAN imagine that SE had used MT capable Hardware.(But this is just guessing).
And till the day we fully get our own rom runned on X10 we are not able to know!
So the only thing we should concentrate is getting custom roms running. After that is done we can discuss MT again
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Bin4ry
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----Yes they will loose money by recalling, but again, they will loose even more if they choose not to do it cuz if they won't do something quick, the X8 i bought will be the last pourchase of SE :> ------
Vote, what do you think, should SE recall the X8 to add dualtouch support to the crippled synaptics touch solution that was meant to be dualtouch? and enable wi-fi N standard? (The Synaptics solution initially supported dualtouch, but SE crippled it X-( )
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Hell Yeah! Of course they should
justice must be satisfied!!!!!!!!
One simple question... Why? You knew what you bought so why should they care? Ofcourse I would like to have more standard options on my X8 but it isn't possible. This thread is useless. /Thread
I would pay a recall fee if it existed.
i don't know why ppl get annoyed, this phone is classed as a budget phone you get what you pay for, £89 Xperia X8 compared to £300+ HTC Desire, ur not gonna get all the features for this sort of money.
Well... Tbh I think this is nonsense, too...
SE never announced Upgrades/Bootloader unlock, etc for X8...
Why are we so angry? Cause expensive '11 releases got it?
Think about my words...
And btw: I respect the work of all devs here...
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i don't know why ppl get annoyed, this phone is classed as a budget phone you get what you pay for, £89 Xperia X8 compared to £300+ HTC Desire, ur not gonna get all the features for this sort of money.
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DUDE X8 Was supposed to be DualTouch Capable, it's just that SE crippled it! And it has Wifi standard N compatibilty, sony crippled that as well...
Springles said:
I would pay a recall fee if it existed.
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Heheh, me too )
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One simple question... Why? You knew what you bought so why should they care? Ofcourse I would like to have more standard options on my X8 but it isn't possible. This thread is useless. /Thread
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This thread was only made for fun Just to see what other users think about an Xperia Recall
And to remind of toyota's break problem XD If toyota would do lawn mowers, the brake problem should be something like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6B2e6D484v8
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As much as i would like this
This is stupid and pointless why would they recall?
they never advertised x8 had dual-touch or wifi-n standard
And if they have crippled our digitizer i am sure by reflashing it,it can become dualtouch
So just a software update would be required..
Even if it isn't possible they can supply us with the dual touch ability they provided to x10! they are not doing it because they think dual touch or multi touch would hamper our user experience because of the small screen!
I don't mean to ask a dumb question (I'm new to X8); but I'm not quite sure I understand why these two features not being available on the X8 are such a big issue. As others have pointed out, it's not exactly a high-end model; but also, aren't there improvements toward these features available in some of the custom roms?
Rob.
FactionOne said:
I don't mean to ask a dumb question (I'm new to X8); but I'm not quite sure I understand why these two features not being available on the X8 are such a big issue. As others have pointed out, it's not exactly a high-end model; but also, aren't there improvements toward these features available in some of the custom roms?
Rob.
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Only WiFi N standard, Dualtouch is still software emulated(not accurate, only meant for pinch zoom, unusable in games...
muzik_demon said:
As much as i would like this
This is stupid and pointless why would they recall?
they never advertised x8 had dual-touch or wifi-n standard
And if they have crippled our digitizer i am sure by reflashing it,it can become dualtouch
So just a software update would be required..
Even if it isn't possible they can supply us with the dual touch ability they provided to x10! they are not doing it because they think dual touch or multi touch would hamper our user experience because of the small screen!
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I thought they crippled one touch sensor...if it's the software/firmware...then, fingers crossed for devs to crack bootloader
everybody look here : http://blogs.sonyericsson.com/products/2011/05/05/next-generation-xperia™-minis/
now the mini and mini pro succesors are official !!! maybe they will change their mind about update for us
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everybody look here : http://blogs.sonyericsson.com/products/2011/05/05/next-generation-xperia™-minis/
now the mini and mini pro succesors are official !!! maybe they will change their mind about update for us
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Don't get delusioned... But I like the launcher improvement, it'd be nice to have it on X8. Openable corners, mrrah If it can also get more widgets and additional icons on homescreens... It would be perfect
This is new phone from SE
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Graveir said:
Don't get delusioned... But I like the launcher improvement, it'd be nice to have it on X8. Openable corners, mrrah If it can also get more widgets and additional icons on homescreens... It would be perfect
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Start the search for system dump of new xperia mini
We should be able to use all the new apps in cm7 rom.. It could maybe help us in fixing camera for cm7 roms
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Those have snapdragon processors, and are different than ours... but the launcher is great, I'm pretty sure it will be ported very fast. My last hope is that S.E. updates all android phones to gingerbread. It's the only thing I want, even if it would mean that I loose rooting rights for a few months.