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X10 hardware confirmed NOT to have MT

http://blogs.sonyericsson.com/produ...program-started/comment-page-2/#comment-35596

Sony Ericsson: You lose (again...)!
And if the X10 won't sell good because of this issue I have to say also:
Game over!

Well, that's a bad news indeed .

-16- said:
Sony Ericsson: You lose (again...)!
And if the X10 won't sell good because of this issue I have to say also:
Game over!
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Sounds like some BS from uninformed people. Capacitive screens are inherently multitouch capable hardware. Even the G1 and the capacitive keys of the Touch Pro were hacked to support multitouch.

Isn't the lack of multitouch a software limitation since it runs 1.6? Hopefully their future updates to 2.1 will include it.

The X10 uses either the ClearPad 1000 or 2000 capacitive touch screen sensor. I am trying to get confirmation from Snyaptics on which one it is right now. The 1000 does not support dual touch or multi touch. The 2000 supports dual touch but not multi touch. Capacitve screens do not inherintly support multi touch or dual touch. Read more here ----> http://www.synaptics.com/solutions/products/clearpad

krabman said:
The X10 uses either the ClearPad 1000 or 2000 capacitive touch screen sensor. I am trying to get confirmation from Snyaptics on which one it is right now. The 1000 does not support dual touch or multi touch. The 2000 supports dual touch but not multi touch. Capacitve screens do not inherintly support multi touch or dual touch. Read more here ----> http://www.synaptics.com/solutions/products/clearpad
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How'd you find out about the ClearPad? Do you have the X10 whitepapers? Care to share ?

Nope, just digging around like the next guy. There are very few outfits who can whack out a half million capacitive touchscreens suitable for use in a smartphone and most of those are not selling to SE (ie Apple) It cant be the 3000 because it wasnt ready in time so that leaves the 1000 or 2000, the latter BTW is the screen used in the N1. I have already tried to get this information from SE but struck out. Now I am trying the synaptics angle to see if I can hit paydirt there. So basically since I cannot find any other capacative touchscreen it can be I am using the Sherlock method and deducing it must be what remains. I would love for you to prove me wrong because I dont have a need to be right and my skull is about to blow up from all the searching I have done for various reasons with this device.

the n1 uses clear pad 2000 series.. therefore it has some problems when the two finger crosses axis..
however nothing has been confirmed about the touch screen used in the htc desire. may be it may be using touch screen by either some other manufacturer or the clearpad 3000 series.
the 3000 series again can be ruled in case of desire cos it was not ready.
SE is not goig to loose by using clearpad 1000 because it is outdated and especially at this time when every user is well informed about mult-tiuch. thus it boils down tht SE most prbly uses clearpad 2000. this puts the x10 hsers on same footing as the n1 users.
maybe only apple rightnow supports cmplete multitouch...

Some news:
"(...)Regarding the discussion around dual/multi touch. I would definitely expect someone to tell me in that confirmation if it would be dual-touch. So expect it to be single touch only – sorry.(...)"
source: blogs.sonyericsson.com/products/2010/03/26/xperia-x10-launch-consumer-research-program-started

vry baaad news

Here's an email i've got in modaco foruns:
Yesterday I sent an email to Sony Ericsson asking them to confirm specs features of their X10 handset. This is what I received.
Dear ******,
Thank you for contacting the Sony Ericsson support centre.
I have complied some answers to the questions that you have raised, please see below:
#1 Does the device itself support multi touch? I am aware that the the
current OS Android 1.6 does not.
The handset has a capacitive screen that is capable of multi touch for features such as pinch zooming. This feature will be implemented by the upgrade to 2.1
#2 Does the device have an internal digital compass which would show
direction in google maps?
The X10 does have a magnetometer that acts as a digital compass.
#3 Will android 2.1+ be coming to the Xperia x10 in 2010?
The handset has been confirmed to be upgraded to 2.1, however there are no time scales for this, developement is currently working on implementing the Timescape/Mediascape to 2.1.
Should you have any further questions do not hesitate to ask.
Kind Regards,
Paul Conlan
Sony Ericsson Technical Support
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MCoimbra said:
Here's an email i've got in modaco foruns:
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on the basis of this reply from sony ericcson i m confirming my deal on the x10....
cheers...

cvchetan said:
on the basis of this reply from sony ericcson i m confirming my deal on the x10....
cheers...
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Sure that's a good idea buddy? Who knows who sent that email?

cvchetan said:
on the basis of this reply from sony ericcson i m confirming my deal on the x10....
cheers...
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This information is not from an official source so I wouldn't trust it. Unfortunately Rikard Skogberg is an "official" source so we should trust him, even if he has bad news. I will have to cancel my order.

yuppo said:
This information is not from an official source so i wouldn't trust it. Unfortunately Rikard Skogberg is an "official" source so we should trust him, even if hi has bad news. I will have to cancel my order.
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The guy is from the Sony Ericsson Technical Center. Look at the signature.

Maybe somebody can check out what sort of clearpad is used in the X10, using the pictures in this link:
edit: wtf, i'm not allowed to place URLS?!?!?
anyway, this is the link:
Code:
fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=383229&fcc_id=%27PY7A3880056%27
Lets all hope it's the clearpad 2000..

chevchelios said:
Maybe somebody can check out what sort of clearpad is used in the X10, using the pictures in this link:
edit: wtf, i'm not allowed to place URLS?!?!?
anyway, this is the link:
Code:
fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=383229&fcc_id=%27PY7A3880056%27
Lets all hope it's the clearpad 2000..
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What pictures?

MCoimbra said:
What pictures?
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use https:// in front of the url --> "09 internal photos"
Code:
https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=383229&fcc_id=%27PY7A3880056%27

teamshao said:
The guy is from the Sony Ericsson Technical Center. Look at the signature.
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And apparently he is wrong as Rikard Skogberg confirmed that the information was faulty (he did that on the official blog a couple of days ago). But sure if you wish to believe that tech center guy go ahead, but I wouldn't.

Let's talk multitouch. Can we verify that it's a hardware limitation?

I'm sure a lot of you guys saw this Engadget article talking about how the Xperia X10 is missing multitouch at a hardware level. I'm sorta hoping that the SE project manager is just trying to throw people off the trail, and that maybe the phone secretly uses touchscreen hardware similar to the Nexus One's or any of the other Android phones that "didn't have multitouch" but managed to show up with it later.
Obviously it's a bit early to expect folks to have played around with the device yet, but I'm very interested. If we can pin down for sure whether or not the hardware supports multitouch, that would be a nice thing to know.

Another thought SE is not talking about multi touch ....
Isn't it being owned by Apple?

hkfriends said:
Another thought SE is not talking about multi touch ....
Isn't it being owned by Apple?
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They don't talk about anything more or less. They have said that the X10 isn't capable of more than one press at a time. No deal breaker for me though.

Flamso said:
They don't talk about anything more or less. They have said that the X10 isn't capable of more than one press at a time. No deal breaker for me though.
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I agree, i've used the phone for 2 weeks and don't miss multitouch. It isn't THAT important...

It's no deal breaker at the moment, but i must admit every now and again i wish it had it.
It seemed like an instinctual way to zoom in/out of browser,emails,maps,docs.
However I actually find myself using this handset more in portrait than landscape and the zooming keys and box works fine.
I think as android's gaming platform develops it will become a more of a requirement.
I was playing a fighting game on the iphone recently and was able activate special moves by pressing two buttons simultaneously.
Oh well, as long as they don't disappoint with the 16m colours and 2.1 multitouch can be overlooked for now.

Baggyb said:
I think as android's gaming platform develops it will become a more of a requirement.
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I agree but there is still a very long way to go. Maybe by the time we hit 3.0 and Qualcomm replace the aging ATi gfx core in their Snapdragon SoC later this year. But by that time i'll have moved on and away from the X10 They only last 4-7 months for me

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They only last 4-7 months for me
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Same goes for me as well I'm already eyeing up the Desire, Iphone 4g and the EVO (If UK bound).

Umm, it was confirmed by Sony early last week (Sumit Malhotra confirms no MT):
Back in November, I posted that X10 will not support multi touch functionality at launch, but will be considered for the future. I can appreciate that even though there wasn´t a commitment, such wording both creates expectations (small or big) on future support and implies restrictions on software side.
That is the information I had in hand at that point of time. I am well aware that you rate multi touch functionality very high and therefore I regret to inform you that X10 screen hardware does not register simultaneous entries. Meaning even though we will upgrade the underlying operating system in relation to upgrading our user experience layer, X10 will not support multi touch functionality. We believe that it is important for you who follow this blog to be clear on that, which is the reason why I want to confirm Rikard’s comment.
We are working on alternative solutions for certain use cases, like zooming. I will share more details about that initiative once confirmed.
Due to vendor understanding and agreements, we don´t discuss in detail regarding hardware specifications. Having said that, X10 is upgradable and as earlier described there will be significant value offered through upgrades. X10 is about to reach stores and early consumer feedback is very positive, also highlighting room for improvement which we will share in due time.
Regards,
Sumit
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Seeing the damage that has resulted from this confirmation (many potential buyers have decided to go with other phones instead), I can't see why SE would have made this statement if it were untrue.

Have worked with a few companies over the years who have made big official statements like this which actually turned out to be wrong, unless someone looks under the hood and checks the hardware themsevles i'd take it with a pinch of salt.
NB. I'm not deluding myself in anyway or building up false hope, I love this phone and it would be nice to have multi touch but i'm not overly bothered!

Super_Bob said:
Have worked with a few companies over the years who have made big official statements like this which actually turned out to be wrong, unless someone looks under the hood and checks the hardware themsevles i'd take it with a pinch of salt.
NB. I'm not deluding myself in anyway or building up false hope, I love this phone and it would be nice to have multi touch but i'm not overly bothered!
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Yeah, agreed. If it turns out that the X10 has dual touch I'd be really happy! But it doesn't really matter.

who cares?????>?

elson14 said:
who cares?????>?
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People playing games?

Browsing through /dev/input i found a udex 244:0 es209ra touch controller and startet to google that, ...
Someone in Japan is trying to get further information about single/multitouch of that chip/driver ...
http://translate.googleusercontent....&twu=1&usg=ALkJrhhpQRfyYSHH9UxvdJN5GjYIccswTA
i didnt really get the clue reading that article, ...
Bax

The X10 might get multi-touch. It is still being considered. hxxp://blogs.sonyericsson.com/products/2009/11/05/answers-to-some-of-your-questions/ (first question)

Rohlow said:
The X10 might get multi-touch. It is still being considered. hxxp://blogs.sonyericsson.com/products/2009/11/05/answers-to-some-of-your-questions/ (first question)
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That's old.
From last year.
IF you google it you will see, another SE rep said is a hardware issue and X10 will never have MT.
Only one thing will help (outside of games ofcourse): GESTURES but i don't think X10 will get global gestures (not application based) either

tuxStyle said:
That's old.
From last year.
IF you google it you will see, another SE rep said is a hardware issue and X10 will never have MT.
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Yeah no kidding. The article I linked in the OP says this, even -- and it's much newer than that blog post.

Does anyone believe that whether X10 have multi touch or not will ultimately depends on the lawsuit between Apple and HTC? It is obvious that Apple is suing HTC for patents infringement and multi-touch is one of them.
It is only right that SE don't depend/consider on the multi touch for now. Wait for the case to settle and announce accordingly. Agreed?

pinkmota said:
Does anyone believe that whether X10 have multi touch or not will ultimately depends on the lawsuit between Apple and HTC? It is obvious that Apple is suing HTC for patents infringement and multi-touch is one of them.
It is only right that SE don't depend/consider on the multi touch for now. Wait for the case to settle and announce accordingly. Agreed?
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I agree, I think SE is trying new ways of 'zooming' (allthough MT is not all about zooming) to not get in trouble with Apple in the USA. They could introduce MT in Europe though as Apples MT patent only applies in the USA. However then they should come up with two solutions, one for USA, one for example for Europe and that would probably be to much work...

With all the bad press they received with regards to the multitouch (MT). I now believe it is hardware as SE have not tried to defend themselves.
They have actually confirmed that the hardware doesn't support MT. So it sounds as though they opted for the clearpad 1000.
The only thing that unsettles me is that when I spoke to SE direct 2-4 weeks before launch, the rep was confident that the issue was software based.
It wasn't until the SE Blog broke the news that the reps at SE changed their minds and said that it would never support MT.
I mean the Droid wasn't multi touch in the US but the UK variant was. This was all down to software, but the X10 issue somehow feels different.
My next big fear is colour support 65k, 252k or 16m. Another issue that was confirmed as a software limitation. Android 1.6 being the limiting factor to 65k.
I was told by SE 2.1 would bring 16m. However I have also heard that the actual screen supports only 252K. I'm still non the wiser.

Yea, the 65k is another problem.
SE didn't say anything about that so, is a big chance to have more than 65k after android upgrade but even if it won't have, we can't do anything about it as we will (or already did) buy a phone with 65k
This is what is written in specs

X10 can do multitouch after all, applause!!!!

http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/16/sony-ericsson-x10-can-do-multitouch-after-all-will-get-android/

Beat me to it! Great news if true but so far away. Need root !
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This better be true, I dont wanna get jerked around xD
Doesn't this mean 16m colours are back on as well? As even Clearpad 2000 or whatever it was could do 16m, couldn't it?

I won't believe until i'll see it working and September is far far away.

As much as I would love to see multitouch on the X10, I think the title is a bit misleading, since the source of the engadget story is the same article that we saw a couple of days ago on the mobiles.co.uk blog.
With all these conflicting rumours floating around, I just won't believe it until I see it with my own eyes in a video.. but if this is true, I would definitely say that this will be the best Android phone to date. I'm very tempted to buy this phone, but the lack of multitouch is holding me back. This phone is lacking in input methods, since it doesn't have a trackball or d-pad either. Either multitouch or a trackball/d-pad would make a big difference.

The "source" of that statement is dodgy at best. It would of course be cool if it were true, even though I honestly don't miss it at all.

The "source" of that statement is dodgy at best.
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yes, but it's the same source that said it wouldn't ..
we'll see in 6 months ..

So, the manufacturer of the phone has said that 'multitouch' is not possible and will never be possible due to hardware and software reasons....
A sub-sub-reseller of the phone (someone in a shop) hints that the X10 is multitouch and this multitouch functionality will be released in 2.1....
Who do you believe ?
(I believe neither of them... the X10 is not multitouch, SE has told us this ! The SE blog is carefully managed by SE to release the informationthat they want us to know)
Again, THE X10 DOES NOT SUPPORT MULTITOUCH !!!

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Again, THE X10 DOES NOT SUPPORT MULTITOUCH !!!
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Course it does, SE are just keeping it close to their chests, Noone knows for sure but the X10 is too new to use a cheap ass Clearpad1000 touchscreen.

@ronnyuk
Why would SE do that?...
Judging from the source (mobiles.co.uk) of this recent news, they're just trying to get more people to buy the x10.
Does anyone else have problems accessing the actual source that engadget is linking to? I get a "Error establishing a database connection" message.

It would be pretty daft of SE to shoot themselves in the foot by stating that it doesn't and couldn't have multi-touch, only to go "Nah we were only messing with ya, of course it does" because of course by this point people will have made there choice on Droid and if multi-touch is that big a deal for them they won't won't have picked the X10, which is a shame.
If it does and can have multi-touch, awesome but bad marketing SE. People don't paticularily want or need those kinds of "suprises" when picking a phone.
Either way X10i is aswesome

For what it's worth I tweeted SonyEricssonNA about it, and they responded:
policy is to not comment on rumor or speculation...
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Found that kindof daft, as I'm asking for confirmation of the hardware specs on hardware I've already bought. Told them as much in a response and haven't heard back.
I agree, I'll believe it when I see it. But still, would be nice.

definitely bogus from my email from se yesterday.
Dear Robin,
Thank you for contacting Sony Ericsson Online Support.
In regards to your first question, the UX platform used for the XPERIA X10 will evolve to Android 2.0 over time. Sony Ericsson has always offered firmware and software upgrades as technology evolves and will offer backward compatibility with the Android 2.0 platform when we are ready.
Sony Ericsson will release an update that will address every consumer’s concerns about possible bugs that may be in the software. But I don’t know when specifically the update will be available.
As to your third question, the Xperia™X10 will not support multitouch function because it’s a hardware limitation.
If you require more information, or have any other questions, please visit our website at http://www.sonyericsson.com or call us at 1-866-766-9374.
Best regards,
Wlken
Your Sony Ericsson Online Support Representative

saltorio said:
I'll believe it when I see it. But still, would be nice.
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^^^ q f t.

rs0cal said:
definitely bogus from my email from se yesterday.
Dear Robin,
Thank you for contacting Sony Ericsson Online Support.
In regards to your first question, the UX platform used for the XPERIA X10 will evolve to Android 2.0 over time. Sony Ericsson has always offered firmware and software upgrades as technology evolves and will offer backward compatibility with the Android 2.0 platform when we are ready.
Sony Ericsson will release an update that will address every consumer’s concerns about possible bugs that may be in the software. But I don’t know when specifically the update will be available.
As to your third question, the Xperia™X10 will not support multitouch function because it’s a hardware limitation.
If you require more information, or have any other questions, please visit our website at http://www.sonyericsson.com or call us at 1-866-766-9374.
Best regards,
Wlken
Your Sony Ericsson Online Support Representative
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Lol, Android 2.0 not 2.1?
WTF?

tuxStyle said:
Lol, Android 2.0 not 2.1?
WTF?
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Customer Service at SE are terrible. They've been saying all sorts of contradicting things to people. It'll be 2.1 hopefully.

This is hilarious, the new rumor has once again been denied, over at the official Sony Ericsson blog: http://blogs.sonyericsson.com/produ...with-xperia-x10/comment-page-1/#comment-38068
I guess all this multitouch business is just wishfull thinking. Nothing more.

Cinner said:
This is hilarious, the new rumor has once again been denied, over at the official Sony Ericsson blog: http://blogs.sonyericsson.com/produ...with-xperia-x10/comment-page-1/#comment-38068
I guess all this multitouch business is just wishfull thinking. Nothing more.
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It really seems like the most likely scenario here is that because SE shipped the phone with Android 1.6 they don't want to promise anything multi-touch related, regardless of whether or not the hardware supports it. For instance, if (when) folks here at XDA root the device and figure out how to implement multitouch features (or perhaps simply install Android 2.1 successfully), and/or port over HTC's SenseUI work, or whatever, Sony's definition of "not capable" won't really match up with the hardware nerds' definition of it. My suspicion is that this is why we're seeing apprehension and denial in their reponses about it -- or at least that's what I'm hoping is happening.
We haven't gotten any sort of response that specifically indicates which model/part number/whatever touchscreen they used in the manufacture of the device, and I think that's the most frustrating part of all of this. My interest in the device has no bearing on what god-awful software Sony Ericsson delivers for it. I just want to hear that the hardware is physically capable of doing the cool stuff that the incredible development community here is almost surely aspiring to make it do.

Pretty much as I said in the other thread, at this point there is so much conflicting information from supposed 'reliable' sources that the only way to know for sure is if someone takes a set of screwdrivers to the phone, pulls it appart and looks up the actual chip details that are in there. That will confirm or deny it for definate.
At this point i wouldnt be surprsed if the answer was that both points of view were correct that some of them can do it and some cant!
Also the same can kind of be said for the software, until we get the update we may not know for definate it will be 2.0 or 2.1 so there is not much point in all this wild speculation!
Lets just sit back, chill and enjoy and awesome phone

It wouldn't make sense for sony ericsson to not admit to a feature that people want. The x10 is popular regardless of the lack of a multi touch feature and even though there are a stack of better spec'd phones just from HTC alone, it continues to sell.
The Japanese market has had amazing feature phones and smart phones a like and they have gone crazy for it. I think SE have been very calculated and has always aimed to hit two birds with one stone.
Build a beautiful phone on a good enough platform so they don't have to worry too much about the software and finally make more profit while they're at it.
Imagine if it had an amoled screen and multi touch

Multitouch.....?

Some new rumors suggest multitouch is possible on the X10, and 2.1 is coming in September!
h ttp://blog.mobiles.co.uk/new-phones/sony-ericsson-xperia-x10-getting-multi-touch-and-android-2-1/
If this is true, this is great news.........

http://blog.gsmarena.com/sony-erics...i-touchless-forever-its-hardware-is-to-blame/
what about the opening two lines there?

Blowtoke said:
Some new rumors suggest multitouch is possible on the X10, and 2.1 is coming in September!
h ttp://blog.mobiles.co.uk/new-phones/sony-ericsson-xperia-x10-getting-multi-touch-and-android-2-1/
If this is true, this is great news.........
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Hope it's true!!

aDIsease said:
what about the opening two lines there?
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your news is older then his... its still up in the air

just wait. sony likes to say stuff thats incorrect
but i know that it will have multi because a screen like that wouldn't miss such a simple function.

I think I may be the only person in the world who doesn't even want multi touch. I actually find it a pain sometimes. Much prefer double tap. I honestly can not think of an app I would need that would require multi touch.

kud0s said:
I think I may be the only person in the world who doesn't even want multi touch. I actually find it a pain sometimes. Much prefer double tap. I honestly can not think of an app I would need that would require multi touch.
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i m wid you...
and it has been confirmed several times by sony representatives that it will NOT support multitouch..

if it has multitouch it would be nice, but it's not necessary, i like it both ways.
personaly i think it will be with 2.1 and that sony has it not tested yet with 2.1 running or at least the persons from sony that said it wont have MT because it cant work on android 1.6.
when it's rooted and running 2.1 we can see for ourself if it works or not

Multi touche
Im Sture that its has the hardware of multi touch, And i Think the reason why se sau it Will never happening is becouse they Are not shure if they can Get it to work in time. The reason why i belive this is because they first sau maybe And then no . Why should they promis somthing they cant keep?
So to make shure nobody say they suck they just say hw sint support it. They may also have problem geting the license for mt since appel own the patent for that if im not Wrong . My xperia comes in 2 data weeeeeeeeeeeee!

noblackthunder said:
Im Sture that its has the hardware of multi touch, And i Think the reason why se sau it Will never happening is becouse they Are not shure if they can Get it to work in time. The reason why i belive this is because they first sau maybe And then no . Why should they promis somthing they cant keep?
So to make shure nobody say they suck they just say hw sint support it. They may also have problem geting the license for mt since appel own the patent for that if im not Wrong . My xperia comes in 2 data weeeeeeeeeeeee!
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...excuse me?
Anyways...here's my take on the situation.
In any event; the contradicting statements could be because:
1.) No MT; rumours generate more buzz, people buy more phones
2.) YES MT; problems in implementation means that SE can choose to go either way.
3.) YES MT; rumours generate more buzz, people buy more phones.

Look at this video, for the end of the video. Google Maps, is realized today with the firmware 016
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKCBpzgKcuM&feature=player_embedded

zerophrame said:
...excuse me?
Anyways...here's my take on the situation.
In any event; the contradicting statements could be because:
1.) No MT; rumours generate more buzz, people buy more phones
2.) YES MT; problems in implementation means that SE can choose to go either way.
3.) YES MT; rumours generate more buzz, people buy more phones.
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The main problem with that assumption is with #1. No MT is bad press. Many people who were interested in the X10, and even willing to wait for it were severely put off by the announcement. I was following Twitter on the issue and there were hundreds of retweets of people baffled and pissed off by the announcement.
Now marketing people will say that any press is good press, but I have to disagree. If the bad press costs you potential customers, and lots of em, that's going to have a negative impact on sales.

After having used my X10 for. the past week. I can honestly say that I have got used to the lack of multitouch. For some things it would be useful but not having it is (for me! ) no big issue.
I am looking forward to the long touch zoom that SE have demonstrated on Youtube though...
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this look real enough, though I really want to think that It's fake,but still, can't find anything wrong with it. probably real. we will soon know know it once the phone is rooted.
Look at this video, for the end of the video. Google Maps, is realized today with the firmware 016
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Well... I've FW 16 (follow the debranding tutorial to get it too).
And I can promise you: no MT...
He just zooms in one direction.
This can also be done by tap + hold.
He's just doing it very fluently...

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Don't know if people would buy more phones but they surely won't buy more sony ericsson. ;-)

Look at this video, for the end of the video. Google Maps, is realized today with the firmware 016
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKCBpzgKcuM&feature=player_embedded
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Haha. It works, try it yourself in Google maps. But it's got nothing to do with MT, the reason why it looks real is because it interprets the pinch as a tap.
It doesn't work if you try to zoom out.
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saltorio said:
The main problem with that assumption is with #1. No MT is bad press. Many people who were interested in the X10, and even willing to wait for it were severely put off by the announcement. I was following Twitter on the issue and there were hundreds of retweets of people baffled and pissed off by the announcement.
Now marketing people will say that any press is good press, but I have to disagree. If the bad press costs you potential customers, and lots of em, that's going to have a negative impact on sales.
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Hmm...i see your point, i wonder if you see mine?
If the X10 has no MT, and you tell everyone the truth, then the company is ultimately going to lose customers because of the fact that the product is missing a feature.
By declaring that there IS MT, the organization is being deceitful...but...
If the device was truly lacking MT...the people that wanted MT wouldn't have looked at the X10 in the first place. Meaning that if MT users weren't the target market, SE wouldn't have cared if users suddenly didn't want their phone. By falsely declaring that the X10 has MT, you get the consumer associated with the brand and they get a bit of brand loyalty.
Additionally; What you end up seeing is that all of a sudden (prior to launch in many markets) you get significantly more buzz on the phone. People are typically simple and will respond to simply hearing it mentioned.
Customers that are promised MT and find out a year later that it isn't coming will be angry, but ultimately people will still buy the phone. Also, by having the additional 'rumour' of there being MT, people will buy the phone hoping that it will come out.
Another example;
In Canada; Lord of the Rings - BluRay; currently the set only has the theatrical version on it...everyone expected there to be both the extended AND theatrical versions on the discs. Many people buy the set, are unhappy, and write seething reviews online. What is the result? People are still buying it...all that extra press actually works in favour of the suppliers/producers.

The point is, that this phone was targeted at eur 699 and a multi touch capable touchscreen would only cost just a few bucks more.
They must have been completely nuts, if they wanted to save them.
Almost all capacitive touch phones of 2009 can do it.

i have a good feeling that x10 supports MT, android 1.6 does not support MT, wait till it's rooted or when SE brings 2.1 update. Played a bit with google maps and pinch to zoom worked for me but not perfectly, the fact that 1.6 does not support multitouch could be the prob. We can say a thousand times that it will suport MT or that it won't support MT... the question can only be answered trying 2.1 android
i tried with my rhodium's stylus to use the screen, it won't work, just like my hd2 (and that one also has MT, also the x10 has an capacitive screen so a big change MT could work)

SE should do an mass recall for all little xperias(X8/X10minis)

----Yes they will loose money by recalling, but again, they will loose even more if they choose not to do it cuz if they won't do something quick, the X8 i bought will be the last pourchase of SE :> ------
Vote, what do you think, should SE recall the X8 to add dualtouch support to the crippled synaptics touch solution that was meant to be dualtouch? and enable wi-fi N standard? (The Synaptics solution initially supported dualtouch, but SE crippled it X-( )

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Hell Yeah! Of course they should
justice must be satisfied!!!!!!!!

One simple question... Why? You knew what you bought so why should they care? Ofcourse I would like to have more standard options on my X8 but it isn't possible. This thread is useless. /Thread

I would pay a recall fee if it existed.

i don't know why ppl get annoyed, this phone is classed as a budget phone you get what you pay for, £89 Xperia X8 compared to £300+ HTC Desire, ur not gonna get all the features for this sort of money.

Well... Tbh I think this is nonsense, too...
SE never announced Upgrades/Bootloader unlock, etc for X8...
Why are we so angry? Cause expensive '11 releases got it?
Think about my words...
And btw: I respect the work of all devs here...

badhabitboy said:
i don't know why ppl get annoyed, this phone is classed as a budget phone you get what you pay for, £89 Xperia X8 compared to £300+ HTC Desire, ur not gonna get all the features for this sort of money.
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DUDE X8 Was supposed to be DualTouch Capable, it's just that SE crippled it! And it has Wifi standard N compatibilty, sony crippled that as well...

Springles said:
I would pay a recall fee if it existed.
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Heheh, me too )

CaptainZap said:
One simple question... Why? You knew what you bought so why should they care? Ofcourse I would like to have more standard options on my X8 but it isn't possible. This thread is useless. /Thread
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This thread was only made for fun Just to see what other users think about an Xperia Recall
And to remind of toyota's break problem XD If toyota would do lawn mowers, the brake problem should be something like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6B2e6D484v8
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As much as i would like this
This is stupid and pointless why would they recall?
they never advertised x8 had dual-touch or wifi-n standard
And if they have crippled our digitizer i am sure by reflashing it,it can become dualtouch
So just a software update would be required..
Even if it isn't possible they can supply us with the dual touch ability they provided to x10! they are not doing it because they think dual touch or multi touch would hamper our user experience because of the small screen!

I don't mean to ask a dumb question (I'm new to X8); but I'm not quite sure I understand why these two features not being available on the X8 are such a big issue. As others have pointed out, it's not exactly a high-end model; but also, aren't there improvements toward these features available in some of the custom roms?
Rob.

FactionOne said:
I don't mean to ask a dumb question (I'm new to X8); but I'm not quite sure I understand why these two features not being available on the X8 are such a big issue. As others have pointed out, it's not exactly a high-end model; but also, aren't there improvements toward these features available in some of the custom roms?
Rob.
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Only WiFi N standard, Dualtouch is still software emulated(not accurate, only meant for pinch zoom, unusable in games...

muzik_demon said:
As much as i would like this
This is stupid and pointless why would they recall?
they never advertised x8 had dual-touch or wifi-n standard
And if they have crippled our digitizer i am sure by reflashing it,it can become dualtouch
So just a software update would be required..
Even if it isn't possible they can supply us with the dual touch ability they provided to x10! they are not doing it because they think dual touch or multi touch would hamper our user experience because of the small screen!
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I thought they crippled one touch sensor...if it's the software/firmware...then, fingers crossed for devs to crack bootloader

everybody look here : http://blogs.sonyericsson.com/products/2011/05/05/next-generation-xperia™-minis/
now the mini and mini pro succesors are official !!! maybe they will change their mind about update for us

fifo171 said:
everybody look here : http://blogs.sonyericsson.com/products/2011/05/05/next-generation-xperia™-minis/
now the mini and mini pro succesors are official !!! maybe they will change their mind about update for us
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Don't get delusioned... But I like the launcher improvement, it'd be nice to have it on X8. Openable corners, mrrah If it can also get more widgets and additional icons on homescreens... It would be perfect

This is new phone from SE
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Graveir said:
Don't get delusioned... But I like the launcher improvement, it'd be nice to have it on X8. Openable corners, mrrah If it can also get more widgets and additional icons on homescreens... It would be perfect
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Start the search for system dump of new xperia mini
We should be able to use all the new apps in cm7 rom.. It could maybe help us in fixing camera for cm7 roms
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Those have snapdragon processors, and are different than ours... but the launcher is great, I'm pretty sure it will be ported very fast. My last hope is that S.E. updates all android phones to gingerbread. It's the only thing I want, even if it would mean that I loose rooting rights for a few months.