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Let's talk multitouch. Can we verify that it's a hardware limitation?

I'm sure a lot of you guys saw this Engadget article talking about how the Xperia X10 is missing multitouch at a hardware level. I'm sorta hoping that the SE project manager is just trying to throw people off the trail, and that maybe the phone secretly uses touchscreen hardware similar to the Nexus One's or any of the other Android phones that "didn't have multitouch" but managed to show up with it later.
Obviously it's a bit early to expect folks to have played around with the device yet, but I'm very interested. If we can pin down for sure whether or not the hardware supports multitouch, that would be a nice thing to know.

Another thought SE is not talking about multi touch ....
Isn't it being owned by Apple?

hkfriends said:
Another thought SE is not talking about multi touch ....
Isn't it being owned by Apple?
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They don't talk about anything more or less. They have said that the X10 isn't capable of more than one press at a time. No deal breaker for me though.

Flamso said:
They don't talk about anything more or less. They have said that the X10 isn't capable of more than one press at a time. No deal breaker for me though.
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I agree, i've used the phone for 2 weeks and don't miss multitouch. It isn't THAT important...

It's no deal breaker at the moment, but i must admit every now and again i wish it had it.
It seemed like an instinctual way to zoom in/out of browser,emails,maps,docs.
However I actually find myself using this handset more in portrait than landscape and the zooming keys and box works fine.
I think as android's gaming platform develops it will become a more of a requirement.
I was playing a fighting game on the iphone recently and was able activate special moves by pressing two buttons simultaneously.
Oh well, as long as they don't disappoint with the 16m colours and 2.1 multitouch can be overlooked for now.

Baggyb said:
I think as android's gaming platform develops it will become a more of a requirement.
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I agree but there is still a very long way to go. Maybe by the time we hit 3.0 and Qualcomm replace the aging ATi gfx core in their Snapdragon SoC later this year. But by that time i'll have moved on and away from the X10 They only last 4-7 months for me

Trekster said:
They only last 4-7 months for me
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Same goes for me as well I'm already eyeing up the Desire, Iphone 4g and the EVO (If UK bound).

Umm, it was confirmed by Sony early last week (Sumit Malhotra confirms no MT):
Back in November, I posted that X10 will not support multi touch functionality at launch, but will be considered for the future. I can appreciate that even though there wasn´t a commitment, such wording both creates expectations (small or big) on future support and implies restrictions on software side.
That is the information I had in hand at that point of time. I am well aware that you rate multi touch functionality very high and therefore I regret to inform you that X10 screen hardware does not register simultaneous entries. Meaning even though we will upgrade the underlying operating system in relation to upgrading our user experience layer, X10 will not support multi touch functionality. We believe that it is important for you who follow this blog to be clear on that, which is the reason why I want to confirm Rikard’s comment.
We are working on alternative solutions for certain use cases, like zooming. I will share more details about that initiative once confirmed.
Due to vendor understanding and agreements, we don´t discuss in detail regarding hardware specifications. Having said that, X10 is upgradable and as earlier described there will be significant value offered through upgrades. X10 is about to reach stores and early consumer feedback is very positive, also highlighting room for improvement which we will share in due time.
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Sumit
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Seeing the damage that has resulted from this confirmation (many potential buyers have decided to go with other phones instead), I can't see why SE would have made this statement if it were untrue.

Have worked with a few companies over the years who have made big official statements like this which actually turned out to be wrong, unless someone looks under the hood and checks the hardware themsevles i'd take it with a pinch of salt.
NB. I'm not deluding myself in anyway or building up false hope, I love this phone and it would be nice to have multi touch but i'm not overly bothered!

Super_Bob said:
Have worked with a few companies over the years who have made big official statements like this which actually turned out to be wrong, unless someone looks under the hood and checks the hardware themsevles i'd take it with a pinch of salt.
NB. I'm not deluding myself in anyway or building up false hope, I love this phone and it would be nice to have multi touch but i'm not overly bothered!
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Yeah, agreed. If it turns out that the X10 has dual touch I'd be really happy! But it doesn't really matter.

who cares?????>?

elson14 said:
who cares?????>?
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People playing games?

Browsing through /dev/input i found a udex 244:0 es209ra touch controller and startet to google that, ...
Someone in Japan is trying to get further information about single/multitouch of that chip/driver ...
http://translate.googleusercontent....&twu=1&usg=ALkJrhhpQRfyYSHH9UxvdJN5GjYIccswTA
i didnt really get the clue reading that article, ...
Bax

The X10 might get multi-touch. It is still being considered. hxxp://blogs.sonyericsson.com/products/2009/11/05/answers-to-some-of-your-questions/ (first question)

Rohlow said:
The X10 might get multi-touch. It is still being considered. hxxp://blogs.sonyericsson.com/products/2009/11/05/answers-to-some-of-your-questions/ (first question)
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That's old.
From last year.
IF you google it you will see, another SE rep said is a hardware issue and X10 will never have MT.
Only one thing will help (outside of games ofcourse): GESTURES but i don't think X10 will get global gestures (not application based) either

tuxStyle said:
That's old.
From last year.
IF you google it you will see, another SE rep said is a hardware issue and X10 will never have MT.
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Yeah no kidding. The article I linked in the OP says this, even -- and it's much newer than that blog post.

Does anyone believe that whether X10 have multi touch or not will ultimately depends on the lawsuit between Apple and HTC? It is obvious that Apple is suing HTC for patents infringement and multi-touch is one of them.
It is only right that SE don't depend/consider on the multi touch for now. Wait for the case to settle and announce accordingly. Agreed?

pinkmota said:
Does anyone believe that whether X10 have multi touch or not will ultimately depends on the lawsuit between Apple and HTC? It is obvious that Apple is suing HTC for patents infringement and multi-touch is one of them.
It is only right that SE don't depend/consider on the multi touch for now. Wait for the case to settle and announce accordingly. Agreed?
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I agree, I think SE is trying new ways of 'zooming' (allthough MT is not all about zooming) to not get in trouble with Apple in the USA. They could introduce MT in Europe though as Apples MT patent only applies in the USA. However then they should come up with two solutions, one for USA, one for example for Europe and that would probably be to much work...

With all the bad press they received with regards to the multitouch (MT). I now believe it is hardware as SE have not tried to defend themselves.
They have actually confirmed that the hardware doesn't support MT. So it sounds as though they opted for the clearpad 1000.
The only thing that unsettles me is that when I spoke to SE direct 2-4 weeks before launch, the rep was confident that the issue was software based.
It wasn't until the SE Blog broke the news that the reps at SE changed their minds and said that it would never support MT.
I mean the Droid wasn't multi touch in the US but the UK variant was. This was all down to software, but the X10 issue somehow feels different.
My next big fear is colour support 65k, 252k or 16m. Another issue that was confirmed as a software limitation. Android 1.6 being the limiting factor to 65k.
I was told by SE 2.1 would bring 16m. However I have also heard that the actual screen supports only 252K. I'm still non the wiser.

Yea, the 65k is another problem.
SE didn't say anything about that so, is a big chance to have more than 65k after android upgrade but even if it won't have, we can't do anything about it as we will (or already did) buy a phone with 65k
This is what is written in specs

X10 can do multitouch after all, applause!!!!

http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/16/sony-ericsson-x10-can-do-multitouch-after-all-will-get-android/

Beat me to it! Great news if true but so far away. Need root !
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This better be true, I dont wanna get jerked around xD
Doesn't this mean 16m colours are back on as well? As even Clearpad 2000 or whatever it was could do 16m, couldn't it?

I won't believe until i'll see it working and September is far far away.

As much as I would love to see multitouch on the X10, I think the title is a bit misleading, since the source of the engadget story is the same article that we saw a couple of days ago on the mobiles.co.uk blog.
With all these conflicting rumours floating around, I just won't believe it until I see it with my own eyes in a video.. but if this is true, I would definitely say that this will be the best Android phone to date. I'm very tempted to buy this phone, but the lack of multitouch is holding me back. This phone is lacking in input methods, since it doesn't have a trackball or d-pad either. Either multitouch or a trackball/d-pad would make a big difference.

The "source" of that statement is dodgy at best. It would of course be cool if it were true, even though I honestly don't miss it at all.

The "source" of that statement is dodgy at best.
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yes, but it's the same source that said it wouldn't ..
we'll see in 6 months ..

So, the manufacturer of the phone has said that 'multitouch' is not possible and will never be possible due to hardware and software reasons....
A sub-sub-reseller of the phone (someone in a shop) hints that the X10 is multitouch and this multitouch functionality will be released in 2.1....
Who do you believe ?
(I believe neither of them... the X10 is not multitouch, SE has told us this ! The SE blog is carefully managed by SE to release the informationthat they want us to know)
Again, THE X10 DOES NOT SUPPORT MULTITOUCH !!!

cashaw said:
Again, THE X10 DOES NOT SUPPORT MULTITOUCH !!!
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Course it does, SE are just keeping it close to their chests, Noone knows for sure but the X10 is too new to use a cheap ass Clearpad1000 touchscreen.

@ronnyuk
Why would SE do that?...
Judging from the source (mobiles.co.uk) of this recent news, they're just trying to get more people to buy the x10.
Does anyone else have problems accessing the actual source that engadget is linking to? I get a "Error establishing a database connection" message.

It would be pretty daft of SE to shoot themselves in the foot by stating that it doesn't and couldn't have multi-touch, only to go "Nah we were only messing with ya, of course it does" because of course by this point people will have made there choice on Droid and if multi-touch is that big a deal for them they won't won't have picked the X10, which is a shame.
If it does and can have multi-touch, awesome but bad marketing SE. People don't paticularily want or need those kinds of "suprises" when picking a phone.
Either way X10i is aswesome

For what it's worth I tweeted SonyEricssonNA about it, and they responded:
policy is to not comment on rumor or speculation...
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Found that kindof daft, as I'm asking for confirmation of the hardware specs on hardware I've already bought. Told them as much in a response and haven't heard back.
I agree, I'll believe it when I see it. But still, would be nice.

definitely bogus from my email from se yesterday.
Dear Robin,
Thank you for contacting Sony Ericsson Online Support.
In regards to your first question, the UX platform used for the XPERIA X10 will evolve to Android 2.0 over time. Sony Ericsson has always offered firmware and software upgrades as technology evolves and will offer backward compatibility with the Android 2.0 platform when we are ready.
Sony Ericsson will release an update that will address every consumer’s concerns about possible bugs that may be in the software. But I don’t know when specifically the update will be available.
As to your third question, the Xperia™X10 will not support multitouch function because it’s a hardware limitation.
If you require more information, or have any other questions, please visit our website at http://www.sonyericsson.com or call us at 1-866-766-9374.
Best regards,
Wlken
Your Sony Ericsson Online Support Representative

saltorio said:
I'll believe it when I see it. But still, would be nice.
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^^^ q f t.

rs0cal said:
definitely bogus from my email from se yesterday.
Dear Robin,
Thank you for contacting Sony Ericsson Online Support.
In regards to your first question, the UX platform used for the XPERIA X10 will evolve to Android 2.0 over time. Sony Ericsson has always offered firmware and software upgrades as technology evolves and will offer backward compatibility with the Android 2.0 platform when we are ready.
Sony Ericsson will release an update that will address every consumer’s concerns about possible bugs that may be in the software. But I don’t know when specifically the update will be available.
As to your third question, the Xperia™X10 will not support multitouch function because it’s a hardware limitation.
If you require more information, or have any other questions, please visit our website at http://www.sonyericsson.com or call us at 1-866-766-9374.
Best regards,
Wlken
Your Sony Ericsson Online Support Representative
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Lol, Android 2.0 not 2.1?
WTF?

tuxStyle said:
Lol, Android 2.0 not 2.1?
WTF?
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Customer Service at SE are terrible. They've been saying all sorts of contradicting things to people. It'll be 2.1 hopefully.

This is hilarious, the new rumor has once again been denied, over at the official Sony Ericsson blog: http://blogs.sonyericsson.com/produ...with-xperia-x10/comment-page-1/#comment-38068
I guess all this multitouch business is just wishfull thinking. Nothing more.

Cinner said:
This is hilarious, the new rumor has once again been denied, over at the official Sony Ericsson blog: http://blogs.sonyericsson.com/produ...with-xperia-x10/comment-page-1/#comment-38068
I guess all this multitouch business is just wishfull thinking. Nothing more.
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It really seems like the most likely scenario here is that because SE shipped the phone with Android 1.6 they don't want to promise anything multi-touch related, regardless of whether or not the hardware supports it. For instance, if (when) folks here at XDA root the device and figure out how to implement multitouch features (or perhaps simply install Android 2.1 successfully), and/or port over HTC's SenseUI work, or whatever, Sony's definition of "not capable" won't really match up with the hardware nerds' definition of it. My suspicion is that this is why we're seeing apprehension and denial in their reponses about it -- or at least that's what I'm hoping is happening.
We haven't gotten any sort of response that specifically indicates which model/part number/whatever touchscreen they used in the manufacture of the device, and I think that's the most frustrating part of all of this. My interest in the device has no bearing on what god-awful software Sony Ericsson delivers for it. I just want to hear that the hardware is physically capable of doing the cool stuff that the incredible development community here is almost surely aspiring to make it do.

Pretty much as I said in the other thread, at this point there is so much conflicting information from supposed 'reliable' sources that the only way to know for sure is if someone takes a set of screwdrivers to the phone, pulls it appart and looks up the actual chip details that are in there. That will confirm or deny it for definate.
At this point i wouldnt be surprsed if the answer was that both points of view were correct that some of them can do it and some cant!
Also the same can kind of be said for the software, until we get the update we may not know for definate it will be 2.0 or 2.1 so there is not much point in all this wild speculation!
Lets just sit back, chill and enjoy and awesome phone

It wouldn't make sense for sony ericsson to not admit to a feature that people want. The x10 is popular regardless of the lack of a multi touch feature and even though there are a stack of better spec'd phones just from HTC alone, it continues to sell.
The Japanese market has had amazing feature phones and smart phones a like and they have gone crazy for it. I think SE have been very calculated and has always aimed to hit two birds with one stone.
Build a beautiful phone on a good enough platform so they don't have to worry too much about the software and finally make more profit while they're at it.
Imagine if it had an amoled screen and multi touch

X10 DOES have Multitouch- Video proves it

It works with google maps, check it out
forums.se-nse.net/topic/49197-the-x10-saga-episode-vi-the-return-of-multi-touch

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It works with google maps, check it out
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No it doesn't.
Rather than repeat the truth, I'll simply point you to the comments on the link you provided.

Is a little bug of google maps.

i would think bug or not it does show that its capable. i have tried and it is glitchy but has worked, st least the zooming in part
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I read somewhere around here that it only works for zooming in and that is due to the screen missreading the pinch gesture as a doubble tap. I would have liked pinch function in this phone but i guess it's true, you can't have it all.. Other then that it still seems like a really great peice of machine (still wating to get mine, 1-2 weeks left :'(.. )

well its a bug.. sum times it zooms even with one finger..
also it cannot zoomout....
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hey fanboys
http://phandroid.com/2010/04/21/xperia-x10-with-multi-touch-support-maybe-video/
[UPDATE]: In response to the speculation as to whether or not the X10 will ever receive multi-touch, Eric de Kort of Sony Ericsson gave this succinct statement:
“Multi-touch will not be a feature in future updates for the Sony Ericsson Xperia X10 because the device does not support multi-touch due to her software and hardware configuration. The operation and user experience of the phone will be further improved and Sony Ericsson will come with her own intuitive way of, for example, zooming in and out.”
I guess that settles that once and for all.

Mod, please remove this thread, the video is a fake! I just did close examination of it. Their is no multi touch!

well video may not be fake.. i tried pinching on google maps and it did work.
but the fact is tht its not multi touch. neither the hardware nor 1.6 supports multitouch.. its a bug in maps tht recognised multitouch as double tap...
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There's nothing fake about that video, I can do the same with the application 'Rainy Days'.... But just because you can do something which looks like 'pinch and zoom' does not mean the phone has multi-touch, for one reason Android 1.6 does not support it, and the hardware screen of the X10 does not support it.... In regards to the video, why would you want to use two fingers when the appication allows you to do the same with one finger tip ?)
But it would be good if SE would not make us wait until September for their version of 'multitouch'....long hold zoom... which would suit me fine as I normally use my phone one-handed..

http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/16/sony-ericsson-x10-can-do-multitouch-after-all-will-get-android/
So what is all this about.
Bloke

bloke said:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/16/sony-ericsson-x10-can-do-multitouch-after-all-will-get-android/
So what is all this about.
Bloke
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This is a website listening to a third party reseller of the X10 and convienently ignoring the X10 product managers who actually designed and produced the thing.

cashaw said:
This is a website listening to a third party reseller of the X10 and convienently ignoring the X10 product managers who actually designed and produced the thing.
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I guess we will just have to wait till its rooted and somebody sticks 2.1 on it
Bloke

...no need 'cause it ain't got it....

it worked for me but seems like it just confusing it as a quick tap. As for all the confusion about multi-touch. The only way we'll find out is by rooting it which might takes some time. We shouldn't take official news seriously, they hardly know what they're talking about. An example is that the new iphone 4.0 os with multi-tasking has been proven to work on older models of ipod touch and iphone while Apple claims it would only be available for the iphone 3gs.
I also been reading a lot about Sony using Clearpad Technology but haven't found anyone with proof. I know that Sony was working on their own multi-touch technology. Makes more sense that they will use their own technology.
Everyone has their own agenda, the SE officials claiming no multi-touch might be trying to prevent a lawsuit from Apple. The sales department claiming it does obviously wants you to buy the phone. Lets just wait....you can show your proof but quit arguing.
Google "Sony goes Multi-touch too" and you'll see a link from ubergizmos, and you'll see the japanese press conference about the multi touch technology.

omgsigh said:
it worked for me but seems like it just confusing it as a quick tap. As for all the confusion about multi-touch. The only way we'll find out is by rooting it which might takes some time. We shouldn't take official news seriously, they hardly know what they're talking about.
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There is no confusion as the manufacturer has explained what the X10 will or will not do...
They are the ones who designed it and confirmed it doesn't have multitouch, so who is more qualified to report this ? Them or a mobile phone reseller who have a vested interested to sell the phones and Engadget who just report what others have said.... Or some bloke on Youtube pretending it does something it doesn't.
The X10 does not have multitouch ! After having had an X10 for a few weeks I am learning to live without it.
(BTW Sony and Sony Ericsson are not the same company)

I recently installed the HTC hero mod keyboard for my x10 and I don't even care about multi-touch no more. I suggest everyone to do the same, I'm typing way faster than I was on the iphone with less typos as well.
I'm not going to believe no one except when the root come. Manufacturer always claim what a product will do or not do. Examples include multitasking on older iphones, Video recording on older iphones, even Playstation 3 slim with no other os feature (The famous geohot believes it just a software switch).
The X10 might or might not have it. I think we should wait for proof from the consumers/hacker side before we make a statement.
Sony Ericsson is a joint company of Sony and Ericsson, Yes I know that but if you googled and read the article, you'll see that Sony had plans of implementing it into phones and not the mention that the technology was shown on an 3.5 inch display which were the standard were smartphones.

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This is a website listening to a third party reseller of the X10 and convienently ignoring the X10 product managers who actually designed and produced the thing.
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This is exactly it. They never should've published this unsubstantiated 3rd party rumor in the first place. SE had already stated the X10 was hardware MT incapable.

I'm curious... why are so many people so hung up on MT? Surely it isn't the pinnacle of "zooming in and out" technology?
Surely.. some creative whiz with a penchant for computer human interaction can beat it? I've seen a few "mono-touch" zooming options that work quite well.. dolphin browser long touch position sensitive "-"; "page"; "gesture; "+" system works a treat... if I had that for all zooming.. then I'd be very happy!

omgsigh said:
I recently installed the HTC hero mod keyboard for my x10 and I don't even care about multi-touch no more. I suggest everyone to do the same, I'm typing way faster than I was on the iphone with less typos as well.
I'm not going to believe no one except when the root come. Manufacturer always claim what a product will do or not do. Examples include multitasking on older iphones, Video recording on older iphones, even Playstation 3 slim with no other os feature (The famous geohot believes it just a software switch).
The X10 might or might not have it. I think we should wait for proof from the consumers/hacker side before we make a statement.
Sony Ericsson is a joint company of Sony and Ericsson, Yes I know that but if you googled and read the article, you'll see that Sony had plans of implementing it into phones and not the mention that the technology was shown on an 3.5 inch display which were the standard were smartphones.
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Or you could just get Swype and ditch tradition text input all together.
Personally, I do not care one bit about multitouch. Not a big fan of it anyhow. Yes I have used it on my magic, and also have been frustrated by it equally as much. Knowing it will never come does no sway my happiness about this phone one bit.

X10 Multitouch and Android Update to 2.1

Hi Folks,
i had a Sony Ericsson representative in our Store, and what he could say was that the Android Update ( in Germany ? ) comes on Q3 this year.
What he also said was that the Multitouch issue is not a hardware problem, it is more a patent problem and sony is waiting till things are cleared out.
So the display IS Multitouch capable, Andoid 2.1 could activate it, but sony could still lock the multitouch feature ( in their own ROM's of course ) if their staff thinks it is better than getting sued.
Kind regards
notimpyet

If it is true that the display supports MT, we will know it when it is possible to root out the X10, because we will be able to install him roms cooked with the activated multitouch.

You'll forgive us if we take this with a large helping of natrium chloride.

They have successfully rooted the x10, but i haven't seen any MT addon. Can someone point me in the right direction?

bavelb said:
They have successfully rooted the x10, but i haven't seen any MT addon. Can someone point me in the right direction?
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Sure, I will point you in the right direction: go to your favorite phone store, and buy an HTC Desire. Now you will have multitouch.

Informative Post !
Bravo.
Currently we have only "cracked" the ROM and not the Bootloader. Therefore we still cannot proof MT-Capabilities.
Best regards
MoS-tekknix

Cinner said:
Sure, I will point you in the right direction: go to your favorite phone store, and buy an HTC Desire. Now you will have multitouch.
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BRAVO ! I dont want to be rude but it is really interesting how people can be amazingly stupid and ask that multitouch question every day and when they see that SE has said that there will be NO MULTITOUCH EVER ON X10 !!!!!!!!!!!!! they still ask day after...

What i would like to see is an implementation of the really nice one-finger-zoom! They obviously developed it, now gief us ze goodies!
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So some SE representative knows better than SE product manager Rikard Skogberg, who in a thread in their product blog said: "There's no multitouch in X10 – and I also can confirm that it's not only related to [software] but also to [hardware]".
Cant we just stop with these threads about something thats just not there... It would have been gr8, but its not there, and will never be. So stop these posts about it.....

They even said that for the Mini but the Mini is hardware capable as was seen.

Ok i give up Go and get all excited, but dont blame SE, if it turns out it doesnt support it...

se_dude - Who's shown that the mini is h/w capable? I've not seen that?
Also regarding the MT questions on x10.. it's a bit like that film - Sixth Sense.. Except it's "I see stupid people".. they're everywhere.. we have get used to it!

im_iceman said:
se_dude - Who's shown that the mini is h/w capable? I've not seen that?
Also regarding the MT questions on x10.. it's a bit like that film - Sixth Sense.. Except it's "I see stupid people".. they're everywhere.. we have get used to it!
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But the stupid...it hurts.

im_iceman said:
se_dude - Who's shown that the mini is h/w capable? I've not seen that?
Also regarding the MT questions on x10.. it's a bit like that film - Sixth Sense.. Except it's "I see stupid people".. they're everywhere.. we have get used to it!
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the mini uses a synaptics cleartouch, so it is definitely mt capable

http://se-blog.com/exclusive-x10-mini-supports-multi-touch/

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http://se-blog.com/exclusive-x10-mini-supports-multi-touch/
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Straight from the horses mouth, it does not support multitouch. It's supports dualtouch which technically isn't multitouch.

Well, the HTC desire uses the same display sensor.

Hi Folks,
i had a Sony Ericsson representative in our Country, and what he could say was that the Android Update ( on Earth? ) comes on Q3 this year.
What he also said was that the phone can friggin' print money. It can produce and island and transform into an airplane and fly you there. And it can grant you 3 wishes which 1 of them can get you multitouch.
So the display IS Multitouch capable, but you'll have to wait for the wishing app to be activated.
Kind regards
notanotherwhineaboutnotmultitouch

se_dude said:
Well, the HTC desire uses the same display sensor.
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And that device doesn't fit the technical definition of multitouch either. The point is that SE is completely correct, from a technical standpoint, in stating that the X10 mini doesn't support multitouch.
Both the X10 and Desire support dualtouch which you can colloquially call multitouch but it's not multitouch according to the technical definition. So both SE and HTC are correct regarding their statement of multitouch suppport in their devices. HTC is correct from a layman's perspective whereas SE is correct from a technical point of view.
So people can bleet on all they want, SE is completely correct in stating that the X10 Mini does not support multitouch and no amount of angry mails and forumposts is going to change that.

I heard root activated the "Bad Touch", confirm/deny?
I've been single for a few months now, and I get lonely every now and then....

SE should do an mass recall for all little xperias(X8/X10minis)

----Yes they will loose money by recalling, but again, they will loose even more if they choose not to do it cuz if they won't do something quick, the X8 i bought will be the last pourchase of SE :> ------
Vote, what do you think, should SE recall the X8 to add dualtouch support to the crippled synaptics touch solution that was meant to be dualtouch? and enable wi-fi N standard? (The Synaptics solution initially supported dualtouch, but SE crippled it X-( )

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Hell Yeah! Of course they should
justice must be satisfied!!!!!!!!

One simple question... Why? You knew what you bought so why should they care? Ofcourse I would like to have more standard options on my X8 but it isn't possible. This thread is useless. /Thread

I would pay a recall fee if it existed.

i don't know why ppl get annoyed, this phone is classed as a budget phone you get what you pay for, £89 Xperia X8 compared to £300+ HTC Desire, ur not gonna get all the features for this sort of money.

Well... Tbh I think this is nonsense, too...
SE never announced Upgrades/Bootloader unlock, etc for X8...
Why are we so angry? Cause expensive '11 releases got it?
Think about my words...
And btw: I respect the work of all devs here...

badhabitboy said:
i don't know why ppl get annoyed, this phone is classed as a budget phone you get what you pay for, £89 Xperia X8 compared to £300+ HTC Desire, ur not gonna get all the features for this sort of money.
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DUDE X8 Was supposed to be DualTouch Capable, it's just that SE crippled it! And it has Wifi standard N compatibilty, sony crippled that as well...

Springles said:
I would pay a recall fee if it existed.
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Heheh, me too )

CaptainZap said:
One simple question... Why? You knew what you bought so why should they care? Ofcourse I would like to have more standard options on my X8 but it isn't possible. This thread is useless. /Thread
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This thread was only made for fun Just to see what other users think about an Xperia Recall
And to remind of toyota's break problem XD If toyota would do lawn mowers, the brake problem should be something like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6B2e6D484v8
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As much as i would like this
This is stupid and pointless why would they recall?
they never advertised x8 had dual-touch or wifi-n standard
And if they have crippled our digitizer i am sure by reflashing it,it can become dualtouch
So just a software update would be required..
Even if it isn't possible they can supply us with the dual touch ability they provided to x10! they are not doing it because they think dual touch or multi touch would hamper our user experience because of the small screen!

I don't mean to ask a dumb question (I'm new to X8); but I'm not quite sure I understand why these two features not being available on the X8 are such a big issue. As others have pointed out, it's not exactly a high-end model; but also, aren't there improvements toward these features available in some of the custom roms?
Rob.

FactionOne said:
I don't mean to ask a dumb question (I'm new to X8); but I'm not quite sure I understand why these two features not being available on the X8 are such a big issue. As others have pointed out, it's not exactly a high-end model; but also, aren't there improvements toward these features available in some of the custom roms?
Rob.
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Only WiFi N standard, Dualtouch is still software emulated(not accurate, only meant for pinch zoom, unusable in games...

muzik_demon said:
As much as i would like this
This is stupid and pointless why would they recall?
they never advertised x8 had dual-touch or wifi-n standard
And if they have crippled our digitizer i am sure by reflashing it,it can become dualtouch
So just a software update would be required..
Even if it isn't possible they can supply us with the dual touch ability they provided to x10! they are not doing it because they think dual touch or multi touch would hamper our user experience because of the small screen!
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I thought they crippled one touch sensor...if it's the software/firmware...then, fingers crossed for devs to crack bootloader

everybody look here : http://blogs.sonyericsson.com/products/2011/05/05/next-generation-xperia™-minis/
now the mini and mini pro succesors are official !!! maybe they will change their mind about update for us

fifo171 said:
everybody look here : http://blogs.sonyericsson.com/products/2011/05/05/next-generation-xperia™-minis/
now the mini and mini pro succesors are official !!! maybe they will change their mind about update for us
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Don't get delusioned... But I like the launcher improvement, it'd be nice to have it on X8. Openable corners, mrrah If it can also get more widgets and additional icons on homescreens... It would be perfect

This is new phone from SE
Sent from my Arc-X8 using Tapatalk

Graveir said:
Don't get delusioned... But I like the launcher improvement, it'd be nice to have it on X8. Openable corners, mrrah If it can also get more widgets and additional icons on homescreens... It would be perfect
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Start the search for system dump of new xperia mini
We should be able to use all the new apps in cm7 rom.. It could maybe help us in fixing camera for cm7 roms
Sent from my X8

Those have snapdragon processors, and are different than ours... but the launcher is great, I'm pretty sure it will be ported very fast. My last hope is that S.E. updates all android phones to gingerbread. It's the only thing I want, even if it would mean that I loose rooting rights for a few months.