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Loss of Good Developer/Future Prevention Thread Only

Ok everyone. I dont want to sound like a bad guy here or be redundant if someone else said it already but I havent seen it yet. This needs to be said. Look at what you all are saying. The majority of posts on the forum are saying (paraphrased), "Hey I am sorry that Haykruo had to go and you guys suck for making him go... btw where is the rosie rom?" That is the core of the issue here people. Who cares about the damn rom? Who cares if we even ever get it. Thats not the point.
When you are a dev here you give of yourself wholly. You have nothing to gain except the respect of others here. I am not a rom dev but I am a developer and I do know what its like to be in one of these devs positions. Haykuro trusted certain people who misused that trust. We know that already. But he also trusted all of you who downloaded and used his roms. He trusted you to not be pushy. He trusted you to respect his wishes of being quiet (shhhh thread ring a bell), of being respectful to the man who has given so much. Its not one person's fault. It's the entire community's fault. If we don't want this to happen again then there is a simple way of preventing it.
Give the devs their time. From what I could tell Haykuro spent every minute he wasnt at work, working on these roms. Give the devs time and respect, don't be pushy and if they trust you with something then respect their wishes.
Just my two cents but that's the only way to prevent this from happening again. Haykruo's loss is a real one. The community will feel it. Maybe someone will step in his place maybe someone wont. But mark my words if someone does and we don't learn from this and be respectful to the new devs we will lose them too.
One more time I want to thank you Haykuro. You truly are a man of honor. Just take care of yourself man.
thanks.....chuck that should tidy the thread up a bit
ok heres a few ideas that will hopefully prevent a developer leaving like the hero haykuro
1. stop asking for roms..it is just a bonus if we get an updated rom, that improves the performance and makes the ui nicer
2. if you are lucky enough to get 2 try a new rom out dont leak it. hes gave u the rom through trust dont break that trust.
3. give the developers a break....they cant work on new roms all the time..they have there own personal lifes aswell
4. donate.....the developers are doing it in there free time...they dont need to improve the phone but they do for the likes of us(the forum) fair enough if you cant afford to donate just thank the developer.
finally i hope haykuro will still be in and out the forum...from all the roms hes made hes a living legend.
haykuros twitter

We know that Xdan has it, we know that twistedumbrella has it, we think that TheDude has it, but that's about it. Haykuro was the developer who was working on it the most, and now that he's halted his development, nobody knows when we'll get the Rosie UI. Don't get your hopes up.

bolmedias said:
We know that Xdan has it, we know that twistedumbrella has it, we think that TheDude has it, but that's about it. Haykuro was the developer who was working on it the most, and now that he's halted his development, nobody knows when we'll get the Rosie UI. Don't get your hopes up.
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ive only read half into the bust up with haykuro and whatever his name was....so if im correct did he leak the hero rom w/ rosie ui? and that caused the bust up?

stevemartin1991 said:
ive only read half into the bust up with haykuro and whatever his name was....so if im correct did he leak the hero rom w/ rosie ui? and that caused the bust up?
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From what I understand, HardDaez promised Haykuro a ROGERS ROM that Haykuro could work on. In return, Haykuro gave HardDaez the Hero rom w/ Rosie. The ROGERS rom turned out to be fake, and HardDaez leaked the Rosie ROM. Haykuro has every right to be upset.

And where is the Rosie ROM? I only see the hero ROM without rosie.

bolmedias said:
From what I understand, HardDaez promised Haykuro a ROGERS ROM that Haykuro could work on. In return, Haykuro gave HardDaez the Hero rom w/ Rosie. The ROGERS rom turned out to be fake, and HardDaez leaked the Rosie ROM. Haykuro has every right to be upset.
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yeah absolutely........not meaning 2 sound a **** but has hardeaz leaked the rom with the rosie ui anywhere? i want it

stevemartin1991 said:
yeah absolutely........not meaning 2 sound a **** but has hardeaz leaked the rom with the rosie ui anywhere? i want it
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so the build he leak was unstable and was bricking peoples phones so it was pulled from the servers and when info got out the hardeaz wasn't suppose to release the build the threads was closed immediately

adub007 said:
so the build he leak was unstable and was bricking peoples phones so it was pulled from the servers and when info got out the hardeaz wasn't suppose to release the build the threads was closed immediately
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aaaah right i get you now.....just when seeing haykuros video i thot it would have just been the same as that that he gave to hardeaz...obviously not

stevemartin1991 said:
yeah absolutely........not meaning 2 sound a **** but has hardeaz leaked the rom with the rosie ui anywhere? i want it
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Steve, Haykuro worked extremely hard making so many roms for us in a very short time. No one gave him a break. Many people kept demanding more and more from him, leaving him little time to study. He was working on hero, Ion, Magic, and other stuff all at once while he was trying to study and work. Then they kept asking him for the Rogers rom. It seems like so many people were asking for so many roms, all at once, like he could just pull them out of his hat and they would magically appear.
He was trying to please everyone at once, then, when hard daez promised him the rogers rom, he screwed Haykuro over.
I have been following these threads, and I saw a lot of adoration for Haykuro, but I also saw a lot of people demanding things from him, and saying he wouldn't deliver if he didn't have something ready for them as soon as they demanded it. I also saw a lot of people trying to start trouble when the dude began making roms, even though both Haykuro and the dude kept saying publicly that they were working together. I also saw other things in these threads that would try anyone's patience.
Calm down, and wait. Hopefully, after Haykuro gets through school, and gets a break from the hectic schedule he has kept up trying to do what he needs to do in his personal life, as well as mod all of those different roms for us, he will reconsider. I'm not saying that no one else here can do what Haykuro can do, but he was very very good at what he did. I also don't think it's fair to start asking other devs to give you Rosie before things settle down a little, and Haykuro has a chance to take a break. He is the one who did the most work on hero, and we should give him a chance to decide what to do.
Possibly he will decide to work on this again, even if he does it through his own site rather than here.
Just enjoy what he has done for us, and wait for a week or two, but please don't be demanding. (I don't mean to sound mean or nasty, and I don't want to sound like I am flaming you. I'm just stating what everything here looked like to me).

stevemartin1991 said:
aaaah right i get you now.....just when seeing haykuros video i thot it would have just been the same as that that he gave to hardeaz...obviously not
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This Thread needs a new title or it will get locked and deleted, and I don't want that XDA users deserve better then not knowing what in the world is going on w/ hero, Plz rename to "Loss of Good Developer/Future Prevention Thread Only" so we can talk about this and not get locked.

Oh and yeah, i think he should reconsider but minus the user input, start his own site where he can post his roms but not have to listen to user input, just bugfix and preinstalled apk request only, he need to go back to what always did, making himself happy first..and if someone else likes it then so be it...then he can cut out the XDA drama, i love this community for my JUNO my friends WING's and the G1 and soon to be my Touch Pro 2, or maybe even my Bigfoot, when they come out...I love changing what my phone can do...and these awesome devs only make it possible, so i hope Haykuro comes back or I'll cry in my pillow! I loved his progress even when i wasn't on his rom, the rom i was on was affected by his roms w/ remix's using his stuff...loved it all...i don't wanna close my eyes...i don't wanna miss one thing...the sweetest dream will never do! i'll still miss you steve, and i don't wanna miss a thing!

pychobj2001 said:
This Thread needs a new title or it will get locked and deleted, and I don't want that XDA users deserve better then not knowing what in the world is going on w/ hero, Plz rename to "Loss of Good Developer/Future Prevention Thread Only" so we can talk about this and not get locked.
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I agree. This thread needs to stay so that we can make sure that this doesn't happen again. Your idea of a title was a very good one. If this thread gets locked, or burried somewhere where no one can see it, it will serve no purpose.
A lot of the devs here are getting fed up with all the garbage, and we are losing them. Those of us who aren't devs are guests here. We are using their stuff, on their forum, and we need to clean up our act.

how do i rename the thread?
ignore my stupidity

stevemartin1991 said:
how do i rename the thread?
ignore my stupidity
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I don't know, try thread tools at the top, or maybe you can change the name from user CP? I hope someone can answer.

Dont wish to sound an idiot but does anyone have this new leaked rom?

I usually just lurk around XDA, but I've always appreciated the work of not only Haykuro, but of any developer who takes time out of their life to improve the G1 experience. I think this thread is a fantastic idea.

Guys,
I missed all the stuff that happened last night, but have caught up now. As you may know I have been arranging for Haykuro Donation Apps to go up on the market. He gave the final ok last night (before the **** went down) and they went up this morning. It doesn't mater if he never does any Rom cooking again, I thank him for what he has done and hope that these apps can be some kind of payback for that.

stevemartin1991 said:
dont get excited.......so is this the nd of hero rom? so what other developers has the leaked rom? when will we get the rosie ui? steve
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I fail to see how your post addresses the problem of the loss of good developers. I could be mistaken but didn't JF and Haykuro leave precisely because the dev forum got swamped by leech-centric posts... much like yours?

jashsu said:
I fail to see how your post addresses the problem of the loss of good developers. I could be mistaken but didn't JF and Haykuro leave precisely because the dev forum got swamped by leech-centric posts... much like yours?
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The original post was worded that way before the title was changed at the suggestion of someone else. The thread is made with all good intentions.

jashsu said:
I fail to see how your post addresses the problem of the loss of good developers. I could be mistaken but didn't JF and Haykuro leave precisely because the dev forum got swamped by leech-centric posts... much like yours?
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Not leeching just wanting just a good explanation, hopefully this thread will get update more and more to help stop exacly that leeching trolling and bugging devs, and more helping the community in whole, i like anyone on this thread want to get his grubby hands on Hero, but we need to start going about this all the right way and not bug and upset devs, you wouldn't interupt a painter while he is painting and be like..."you done yet?" bad idea, but you could ask to watch the painter at work (via twitter) which we already got and still weren't happy...geez...or find a better way to interact w/ the dev. (heavy moderation on forums/ off topic and trolling deleted fast) but to delete everything to do w/ HERO on the forums is getting redunkulous that's why we need this thread and a good mod to help keep it alive..to explain what happened and prevent it from ever happenin again (end-users showing devs respect)

[info] New HTC rom 1.66.* :)

Now I have your attention, well only some of you.
I hate to write this but its getting beyond a joke these days. Every "chef" out to make a $ by releasing their "customised" work of original HTC roms, you get some crazy satisfaction about your ROM's being on others devices. Those base ROM's should be freely available to ALL users, not locked away and not being released straight away to make sure you have the "edge". Sure you have contacts in HTC that give you the ROM's before anyone else, ****, who cares. It will get out one way or another, why not publicly post it for everyone to get access to it? You all know who you are and its pathetic, I'm sure most of you have real jobs out there and if you don't, jesus, get one.
Sure "chefs" might modify some DLL's to get "better" performance but even then, its not your IP, its HTC's/Microsoft etc etc.
At the end of the day, we're all a community who support each other, so why bite the hand that feeds you?

Without commenting on your remarks, I'd be more interested to hear from someone what is new in 1.66 and 2.06, how they relate to each other comment what the differences are.

barty22 said:
I'd be more interested to hear from someone what is new in 1.66 and 2.06, how they relate to each other and what the differences are.
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Barty,
That's the thing, if it was public like it should be, everyone else would know. But it has mainly updated apps (Compass, Album, Camera etc etc), but still requires the SMS Fix.

I really don't think there's a need for such accusations and hostility. The last time this happened (over the whole Rhodium/Topaz leak fiasco) it ended with a lot of bad blood and several good chefs refusing to cook for the xda community anymore!
There are already several cooks working with the new 1.66 base. Have you personaly been denied access to the sources?
Please lets not see a repeat of last years silliness. It was not good for this great community.

ClownShoes said:
I really don't think there's a need for such accusations and hostility. The last time this happened (over the whole Rhodium/Topaz leak fiasco) it ended with a lot of bad blood and several good chefs refusing to cook for the xda community anymore!
There are already several cooks working with the new 1.66 base. Have you personaly been denied access to the sources?
Please lets not see a repeat of last years silliness. It was not good for this great community.
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I don't care who has it, and all this bad blood is pathetic, children crying over spilt milk.
And being denied to private information, no, but I don't care, I'm voicing my public opinion about it.
And if one goes, I'm sure 20 more will step up to the plate. They're more then welcome to go off and try and create another xda, good luck to them, many have tried and failed.

Sorry but I don't understand why you're so angry? Yes it's a community and I can see several major contributors to that very same community working with 1.66 right now, for our benefit.
Are you annoyed that the stock rom hasn't been posted for all and sundry yet?

ClownShoes said:
Sorry but I don't understand why you're so angry? Yes it's a community and I can see several major contributors to that very same community working with 1.66 right now, for our benefit.
Are you annoyed that the stock rom hasn't been posted for all and sundry yet?
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I'm simply saying that this has happened before, hermes days, where certain people like to hold things back from the community. All it takes is to post a single link to the source.

Honestly mate, I wouldn't stress. It appears the 1.66 build has just been leaked today and I'm willing to bet that before you know it a stock rom will be available to all. You can't blame those that got hold of it first trying to integrate it quickly into their roms. Flashing has become quite the sport these days Have you tried asked any of the cooks using it, what their source is?

ClownShoes said:
Honestly mate, I wouldn't stress. It appears the 1.66 build has just been leaked today and I'm willing to bet that before you know it a stock rom will be available to all. You can't blame those that got hold of it first trying to integrate it quickly into their roms. Flashing has become quite the sport these days Have you tried asked any of the cooks using it, what their source is?
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1.66 has been available since the 8th of Jan, and certain people have had it since then. Now I'm not naming names, I just find it pathetic they don't release it.
No I don't blame them for trying to get there first, but its not a race here people, its a community place where we're supposed to help the community.

Whilst I agree with some of the points there is no need for this thread, you should be greatful that what you get doesnt actually cost a cent and believe me if a chef was to live off donations they'd all be dead by now Show a little respect!

Flashmore said:
Whilst I agree with some of the points there is no need for this thread, you should be greatful that what you get doesnt actually cost a cent and believe me if a chef was to live off donations they'd all be dead by now Show a little respect!
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Show a little respect?? Excuse me dude, we don't force you to waste your time cooking and modifying.
And if such ROM's were requiring to be paid for, you'd be in breach of copyright law so fast, your little show would be over.
I'm simply stating while trying to "help" the community, post the bloody link, its not that hard.

walshieau said:
1.66 has been available since the 8th of Jan, and certain people have had it since then. Now I'm not naming names, I just find it pathetic they don't release it.
No I don't blame them for trying to get there first, but its not a race here people, its a community place where we're supposed to help the community.
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Really? I didn't know it had been on the scene that long.... BASTARDS! lol But seriously, I'm sure it's not being held back for any malicious reasons and today is the first time I've seen it used as a cooking base, at least on the Leo. have you asked any of the cooks about the source?

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Really? I didn't know it had been on the scene that long.... BASTARDS! lol But seriously, I'm sure it's not being held back for any malicious reasons and today is the first time I've seen it used as a cooking base, at least on the Leo. have you asked any of the cooks about the source?
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Not really no, but it doesn't bother me where their source is, just annoyed they haven't shared the "fruit" with the rest of the community, I'm trying to make it more transparent here. The more people with access to it the better!

walshieau said:
Not really no, but it doesn't bother me where their source is, just annoyed they haven't shared the "fruit" with the rest of the community, I'm trying to make it more transparent here. The more people with access to it the better!
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Ahhh, if only life were that simple
I do understand what you mean though mate.
Really I'm sure it'll be out by the weekend and if not.... **** it! It's only a phone! lol

ClownShoes said:
Ahhh, if only life were that simple
I do understand what you mean though mate.
Really I'm sure it'll be out by the weekend and if not.... **** it! It's only a phone! lol
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Haha got that right, now if only they could fix the ****ing SMS issues it'd be a decent phone!

walshieau said:
Haha got that right, now if only they could fix the ****ing SMS issues it'd be a decent phone!
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walshie, the BLACK roms were the bomb from back in 06/07. you tell em!

Why would this link sound so bloody to you?
http://www.everythingdiamond.info/showthread.php?t=94
(and no, this is not yet the most bloody link... there are others, check the Chinese forum)

Well I understand the OP frustration but I usually just try to ignore it. There has been some of this going on in the recent past where someone gets a build and they share it only with about 4 certain other people with instructions not to share to anyone else. All the while these four or five people release ROM's with the new build while everyone else has to wait. I can't blame the guys it is given to as I'm sure they are glad to be getting it. The point is it makes it look really privatizing that the same 4-5 people always have the new stuff before others.
But as always it will surface before too long. But it may take a week as the others have not released their ROM with it yet.

walshieau said:
Show a little respect?? Excuse me dude, we don't force you to waste your time cooking and modifying.
And if such ROM's were requiring to be paid for, you'd be in breach of copyright law so fast, your little show would be over.
I'm simply stating while trying to "help" the community, post the bloody link, its not that hard.
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Im not talking about me I think you missed the point completely, hence the need for such a thread, anyway "dude" calm down out a little.
Regards
Flashmore

walshieau said:
I'm sure most of you have real jobs out there and if you don't, jesus, get one.
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From the beginning of your post, I could understand you would like to make a show here.
But this sentence is completely disrespectful! Who are you "walshieau" to treat people like that? it's so simple for you to get a job?
I have a job but Who knows what tomorrow is made? for you it's the same!
And I do not wish you good luck.

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What are the rules about posting other peoples work, i.e. ROMS and themes? Im not sure but I see over in other forums, like the EVO for example where 5 people are making ROMS using a base that they give credit to one guy for. I only ask this because over here in the D2 section, there is only 3-4 different groups working on stuff, everyone is tight lipped and not willing to let anyone in on the "secret". I see random posts where it says that the source for the base of ALL these ROMS is open, meaning ANYONE should have access, and ANYONE should be able to do as they please with them. I know that is not the case and it comes down to who you know, just like anywhere else in life, but I think the community is only being held back because we only have those select few working on new stuff....DONT get me wrong, all the devs. are doing amazing work for us D2 users, I just think we are being limited alot. I sent a pm to one dev in particular asking him to release a variant of his themes with the ApeX flip and fly out transition animations added. They are really cool and they compliment his ROMS well. I even got permission from some others to use those. I not only didnt get a response, but when I pm'd him askin why he hadnt responded, he said he never got it, (I still have it in my outbox). I just think it would be cool to have, say, a Fission Blackout ROM with the blackout Swype and android keyboard, and the cool transitions from ApeX, and only have to flash one zip in recovery. Im just sayin. Im not being ungrateful so please dont tear me apart, just puttin it out there

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What are the rules about posting other peoples work, i.e. ROMS and themes? Im not sure but I see over in other forums, like the EVO for example where 5 people are making ROMS using a base that they give credit to one guy for. I only ask this because over here in the D2 section, there is only 3-4 different groups working on stuff, everyone is tight lipped and not willing to let anyone in on the "secret". I see random posts where it says that the source for the base of ALL these ROMS is open, meaning ANYONE should have access, and ANYONE should be able to do as they please with them. I know that is not the case and it comes down to who you know, just like anywhere else in life, but I think the community is only being held back because we only have those select few working on new stuff....DONT get me wrong, all the devs. are doing amazing work for us D2 users, I just think we are being limited alot. I sent a pm to one dev in particular asking him to release a variant of his themes with the ApeX flip and fly out transition animations added. They are really cool and they compliment his ROMS well. I even got permission from some others to use those. I not only didnt get a response, but when I pm'd him askin why he hadnt responded, he said he never got it, (I still have it in my oubox). I just think it would be cool to have, say, a Fission Blackout ROM with the blackout Swype and android keyboard, and the cool transitions from ApeX, and only have to flash one zip in recovery. Im just sayin. Im not being ungrateful so please dont tear me apart, just puttin it out there
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Straight from XDA rules
Forum Rules said:
If you are developing something that is based on the work of another Member, you MUST first seek their permission, and you must give credit to the member whose work you used. If a dispute occurs about who developed / created a piece of work, first try to settle the matter by private message and NOT in open forum. If this fails then you may contact a moderator with clear evidence that the work was created by you.
Convincing evidence will result in copied work being removed. If there is no clear evidence you created the work then in the spirit of sharing all work will remain posted on the forums.
These rules apply to all software posted on XDA unless that software comes with a license that waives these rules.
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And that is reasonable. Thanks

mikeyinid said:
And that is reasonable. Thanks
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No problem.... mind if I close this?

theimpaler747 said:
No problem.... mind if I close this?
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nope. go ahead.

Due to question being answered and consent of the OP, thread closed

In response to Gothi thread closed.

Allegations of Kanging.
Since it appears that I am not going to receive a message from the XDA staff or the member who has made the complaint [which is a requirement of the rules I was supposed to have broken - see below], here is my response:
12. Using the work of others.
If you are developing something that is based on the work of another Member, you MUST first seek their permission, and you must give credit to the member whose work you used. If a dispute occurs about who developed / created a piece of work, first try to settle the matter by private message and NOT in open forum. If this fails then you may contact a moderator with clear evidence that the work was created by you.
Convincing evidence will result in copied work being removed. If there is no clear evidence you created the work then in the spirit of sharing all work will remain posted on the forums.
These rules apply to all software posted on XDA unless that software comes with a license that waives these rules.
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1. Thread clearly states that I am using the EB/TW base.
2. Using Eugenes kernel - There are several publicly available posts from Eugene stating that he does not care:
Eugene_373 Eugene373 / BH_MAN
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[email protected] i see mine all the time! With my notes removed in scripts. No biggy though!
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3. Personal message from Sombionix saying to feel free to use what I need from TW releases, in response to notifying him that I had run a diff on a TW file to find the location of a text color:
sombionix said:
jellette said:
Hey, even though no one would ever know, I'll post credit to you in my next update.
It was driving me nuts that I couldn't set the secondary menu text to white - remove "inverse"... - so I ended up doing a diff on one of the TW frameworks to find it.
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No worries, feel free to use it or anything else you need.
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4. SD mounting in settings.apk fix by EDT member Whitehawkx and posted in original 4g thread - also given to Krylon360:
Whitehawkx said:
@Krylon360
@Eugene373
I have modded the Settings.apk to show both the internal and external storage. It works and does show both, but it displays the internal memory on both fields. Using the stock kernel provided with the rom I have not been able to access my external memory card (haven't cared either b/c I never use it). I'm assuming this is why it is displaying the same on both.
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5. Wifi fix by myself of EDT and posted in original 4g thread:
Finally happy that the Einherjar Dev Team makes a contribution or two to this project!
Along with the AOSP lockscreens.
Wifi fix
1.32MB
Flash in recovery - not tested without Eugenes replacement build.prop
If you flash without the new build.prop and it works, let us know.
http://www.mediafire.com/?ndp9tv4gg99f23f
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6. Theme is a mix of Flagship, CM7, MIUI, Gingerbread and Honeycomb.
7. AOSP lockscreen by EDT member Whitehawkx and posted in original 4g thread:
Whitehawkx said:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/16614486/android.policy.jar
Aosp lockscreen. Not flashable. Push to /system/framework.
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AOSP lockscreen. Flash through clockwork.
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I see no grounds for a continuation and thread should be re-opened.
Upon re-reading rule 12, it appears that both the member who made the complaint and the Mod who closed the thread will need to review rule 12 as the protocols that it sets forth were not followed.
Let me also note here that Sombionix and myself have a great working relationship and that I do not expect this to change that.

Let me start with this, I think it sucks that this is going on with you guys.
I contacted @Krylon360 last night and told him that wasn't a good thing.
I hate how someone can kang someone and NOTHING happens but when someone else kangs someone everything happens.
When I talked to him I told him what he did wasn't good & he just said well they put a lot of work into it.
Let me tell you, my secgps script is in bionix, opened a case, nothing happened. I sent stock, mine, and his, and they told me nothing could be done because of the '#Generated by' at the top even though I sent stock aslo (Which is way different)
I spent a while to get that to work for some of the people having gps problems, and to my suprise krylon knew what GPS script I was talking last night (I also have screenies, but not trying to start anything) He said "Yeah, Frost isn't using the one that is in bionix"
If they wanted the dev wars to stop, why did they start this again?
//Just mad, not trying to start flame wars here
Okay, let me start this over again (EDIT By the way..)
I just guess I don't see how a team can kang people & nothing be done but another team 'kang' someone and the thread gets closed.
I honestly don't see what the big deal is, if you didn't give credit, that would be one thing.. But hell, they don't even give credit..
//Once again, sorry, just mad

This kanging subject has really gotten out of hand. Maybe i am wrong since i am not a dev but tell me this ain't most of the codes,scripts,kernel,and such written by google or the phones manufacturer and the devs just change a few lines of code and such to basically say that it his or hers. If thats the case android wouldnt be open source in which its suppose to be. everyone steals from everybody thats the way the world world works get used to it. I'm sorry but team whiskey should be called called team drunk with power or team anal retentive. If they are so worried about everyone kanging their brilliant ideas I'm suprised that they don't stop the themers from themeing their roms since you know how anal they can be. Which in point somehow i feel they really cant say anything cause if it wasn't for supercurio and his voodoo injected kernels then where would their rom's be thank goodness he says that he doesnt care who uses his work too bad everyone can not think and be like he is. unless you can truly prove that you built your kernel, rom, etc from the ground up with no source or anything then you probably are in the same boat as the one's you are accusing of stealing your work.

Bad moderating on XDA... SHOCKER.
Hate that happened, hope it doesnt discourage you at all. EDT has made some huge ground and I appreciate ALL of our wonderful developers/themers... ALL of them.

How long have you been working on this project?
Now that you got it 100% they want to take your work away....it couldn't be done ...you proved them wrong...that's what they are pissed about...lol

All I want to say is I appreciate each and every DEV and every TEAM on here at XDA. But really, who cares, who does what and who did what first. We (consumer) appreciate it all and I feel you all get donated to equally. With that said....
TEAM EDT - Do your thing! Love your work and will continue to support you guys fully! Master you as well!

Everything I've seen from EDT, they always give credit and offer info to anyone about where they get anything they use. You guys seem very honest, and I don't know why anyone would freak out about you using anything from them.
I hope you guys get this figured out so you can keep churning out great roms!
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UGH, It seems as though all devs play nice with each other for a couple weeks and then something like this pops up seemingly out of nowhere.
It's like the menstrual cycle of XDA developers. lol.
I am not partial to any certain DEV. I've first used TW roms then made the move to Trigger. Both great teams who put out great stuff.
Hopefully this gets worked out. I mean come on guys. It seems at least to me all devs try to give credit where it's due. Can't we all just get along?
PEACE BE WITH YOU!

WHats funny, is I have seen in TW threads, EDT members giving them certain help and vice versa. Just in the one krylon is working on I see JF giving help with certain scripts and krylon using them to adjust things to get them working. So why in the world would he be upset.

I usually supports TW and their roms but in this case I would have to go with EDT.
It just seems a little extreme to immediately report a thread and not be able to talk privately before public actions were taken.
In addition, obviously at one point TW posted the source, or at one point given it to EDT. Now, EDT used it in a rom and has given credit to TW/EB in their opening post, I failed to understand how this is constituted as Kanging.

irockstar661 said:
WHats funny, is I have seen in TW threads, EDT members giving them certain help and vice versa. Just in the one krylon is working on I see JF giving help with certain scripts and krylon using them to adjust things to get them working. So why in the world would he be upset.
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@the person who got the thread locked don't be a
Hypocrite!
THERE!
I SAID IT AGAIN!
now let's not start another flame-fest.
Let's undo the wrongs and move forward.
I thought the whole point of Android was to be able to collaborate etc..

scrizz said:
I thought the whole point of Android was to be able to collaborate etc..
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Exactly...there is so much potential that goes unrealized when these things happen.

scrizz said:
@the person who got the thread locked don't be a
Hypocrite!
THERE!
I SAID IT AGAIN!
now let's not start another flame-fest.
Let's undo the wrongs and move forward.
I thought the whole point of Android was to be able to collaborate etc..
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Its the truth....
I've seen Master help both TW/EDT, Ive seen the xboarder help with MUIU, I've seen EDT help TW, and TW help EDT. It's been great here recently, why ruin it now krylon? I followed you and your work closely and this will not effect that, but this was way out of line bro!
In fact. most of you KANG sammy! hahaha

i don't think any dev here will probably say i did all the work by myself i dont need help doing anything from anyone i built the kernel,rom,themed,etc... by myself. i even manufactured the phone and distributed it out of the trunk of my car this is totally mine.

Removed. Posted out of anger towards a certain dev.

Correct me if im wrong, but wasn't EDT a collaborator in the original build of the 2.2.1 kernel base that both TW and EDT are using? I don't see an issue here as they have just as much right to use the 2.2.1 kernel as any one else does.

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Ban me if you want, but Krylon, that was a punk ***** move..
I've never used anything of jellettes till rc3 of last night, I've only used team whiskey ****. Anyways, I don't think OP did anything wrong. I am ashamed to have anything krylon on my phone..
Op I support you 100%. Win this battle.... krylon you should be ashamed of yourself...
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That's the kind of fanboyism that we want to avoid in a thread like this one. Otherwise, this thread will just get closed like the 2.2.1 EDT thread (not because of fanboy issues).

PaiPiePia said:
That's the kind of fanboyism that we want to avoid in a thread like this one. Otherwise, this thread will just get closed like the 2.2.1 EDT thread (not because of fanboy issues).
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Apparently you didn't read my post.. It says ban me if you want. Meaning what was coming next is probably out of line. Didn't take a genius to figure that out lol...
P.s. Look up fan boy.lol I use krylon all the time, not jillette, but I'm sticking up for jillette... Lol @ fanboy.

Seriously people.... can we all just.... get along????
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smashpunks said:
Apparently you didn't read my post.. It says ban me if you want. Meaning what was coming next is probably out of line. Didn't take a genius to figure that out lol...
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No one care about you getting banned, I am more worried about the thread getting closed because of people like you.

An Apology

Hello Guys,
I'm pretty sure you are aware of the controversy between me, DesignGears& Pulser lately with my ROM (Infusion) and below is the whole truth, I'm not hiding anything anymore as you deserve the truth.
Just going to cut straight to the point.
Yes, I stole Cognition 1.13 and applied my own theme and claimed it as my own, I also stole Villain ROM 2.0 & also claimed that as my own, the situation got WAY out of hand and I have personally apologised for Pulser & DesignGears for his.
Me & Pulser are in talks to resolve the issue with my ROM & most likely it will eventually get deleted, as, honestly, I am not a ROM cooker, I'm a theme creator & wanted to show my themes potential in a ROM.
I will continue posting my themes on XDA, I just hope everybody can forgive me for what I've done, I have refunded all donations received as I do not deserve them, you should be donating to Pulser & DesignGears, I did nothing.
I have a new theme coming up with permission for use from BoyRacer and we're working on something great.
Take it easy & I'm sorry.
NitrozK

Flame at your peril... While some people are understandable pissed off at what happened, please keep this civil.

nitrozk said:
Hello Guys,
I'm pretty sure you are aware of the controversy between me, DesignGears& Pulser lately with my ROM (Infusion) and below is the whole truth, I'm not hiding anything anymore as you deserve the truth.
Just going to cut straight to the point.
Yes, I stole Cognition 1.13 and applied my own theme and claimed it as my own, I also stole Villain ROM 2.0 & also claimed that as my own, the situation got WAY out of hand and I have personally apologised for Pulser & DesignGears for his.
Me & Pulser are in talks to resolve the issue with my ROM & most likely it will eventually get deleted, as, honestly, I am not a ROM cooker, I'm a theme creator & wanted to show my themes potential in a ROM.
I will continue posting my themes on XDA, I just hope everybody can forgive me for what I've done, I have refunded all donations received as I do not deserve them, you should be donating to Pulser & DesignGears, I did nothing.
I have a new theme coming up with permission for use from BoyRacer and we're working on something great.
Take it easy & I'm sorry.
NitrozK
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so you are back on xda... what about the website?

kryptoner said:
so you are back on xda... what about the website?
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I'm still using the website, thats for exclusive stuff

well at least you had the guts to tell us the truth have donated but wouldnt mind at all..

Fair play to Nitrozk, hope everyone agrees and they move on from this. The apology was comprehensive and named those whose work was used, which must have been quite hard to do.

moving ahead, what are your next plans? any new themes? and are you really working on bringing the stock lock screen without using widgetlocker?

kryptoner said:
moving ahead, what are your next plans? any new themes? and are you really working on bringing the stock lock screen without using widgetlocker?
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I'm not even going to attempt to make a ROM to be honest, let's leave that to the professionals I do have a theme coming up which I'm creating now, do you remember the Spectrum theme from the SGS1? Well, it's like that, but better

What a hell! And you swore yor innocence on Google+ and twitter. Charming
And what the hell was it you wanted people to beta test? this builds were already tested. I can say your unfollowed and i well never go near anything your name is on again. And you say your a themer, you f*****g port other peoples work. Even if you had permission that doesnt make you a themer maybe a porter.

It takes a brave and humble man to apologise publicly. Props to you sir :]

What the hell man? I gave you the permission to use the theme for your rom but that was just a copied one? So you didn't do anything yourself and just put all the pieces together?

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What a hell! And you swore yor innocence on Google+ and twitter. Charming
And what the hell was it you wanted people to beta test? this builds were already tested. I can say your unfollowed and i well never go near anything your name is on again. And you say your a themer, you f*****g port other peoples work. Even if you had permission that doesnt make you a themer maybe a porter.
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I think you're looking at this from the wrong perspective. I AM using his theme as a basis of what my theme is going to be like, it's not going to be just copying and pasting and done, I asked for permission from the dev so I could use just a few images from his theme and he agreed and wished me luck, technically it is his theme I'm just adding to it to make it better for the SGS II. So, it's half porting, half adding to.

Good of you to man up, apologise and refund donations. Anything less would be unacceptable, as I'm sure you know...
You were in the wrong, you know it and you're doing as much as can be expected to make it right.
The many people here who will have lost any faith and trust in you is going to hurt, I reckon, but it's deserved.
Why not start again by updating the black theme that you had started on (with permission, for those who didn't know)?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1131746
Lots of potential there, some bugs need ironing out though. See that job through and get some credibility back!

cTrox said:
What the hell man? I gave you the permission to use the theme for your rom but that was just a copied one? So you didn't do anything yourself and just put all the pieces together?
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I actually used the theme I ported from the SGS version just added a CM7 battery to it. Should of told you.

Interesting,I realy liked that ROM,hmmm,thanks got,I've found a replacement ROM,which is rock stable.

Thanks for the apology a lesser man would have run off .
jje

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Even if you had permission that doesnt make you a themer maybe a porter.
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por·ter
[pawr-ter, pohr-] –noun
1.
a person hired to carry burdens or baggage, as at a railroad station or a hotel.
2.
a person who does cleaning and maintenance work in a building, factory, store, etc.
3.
an attendant in a railroad parlor car or sleeping car.
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http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/porter
Regarding the thread. I'm all about sharing stuff and if someone can improve it in any way then great and I don't care for these arguments about who "burrowed" what from whom as long as the person's work is credited. In a way falsely taking credit for someone else's work is kind of a shady move but manning up and doing a full apology with disclosure of what you did kind of makes me like the OP a bit. I'm hoping it's lesson learnt and we can move on with the OP doing some great themes for the community.

Porter a drink of stout topped up with water beloved of Smithfield and Covent Garden market porters in the Victorian age .
Generically used across the water for a drop of the black stuff before it was pumped full of nitrogen and frozen .
jje

JJEgan said:
Porter a drink of stout topped up with water beloved of Smithfield and Covent Garden market porters in the Victorian age .
Generically used across the water for a drop of the black stuff before it was pumped full of nitrogen and frozen .
jje
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porter_%28beer%29

Well I think that despite what he has done he had the courage to come clean and did not run off.
Don't flame the guy and give him time to redeem himself
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