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Should I root and void my warranty? Anybody have experience getting a Unlocked phone repaired?
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I havent heard of a single person being rejected because of their bootloader being unlocked as of yet. Also swetland did say they are working with HTC to remove the warranty void.
I rooted my g1 and had a blast. But I found myself flashing roms constantly. You can never settle and there's always a new rom just around the corner. It was fun for several months but I got burned out finally and it was a relief when I got a mytouch. I kept it stock and was really happy with it. I don't plan on rooting the nexus. I think android is an awesome system the way it is, and I enjoy waiting for ota's now. I can tether, get MT apps. For me rooting just doesn't add a lot to my personal experience. This phone flies even without properly utilizing its ram. Although after all of the heartbreak from anticipating countless sense ui Roms on the g1 that were never completely usable I admit Im curious about sense on the nexus. But android 2.1 is the best ui on a mobile device in my opinion. We'll see if that changes with iPhone 4g. Incidentally, I love the competition between the IPhone and android. The consumers are the real winners!
+1 I'm keeping it stock & enjoying this great ui for now! What tether r u using...pdanet?
I am keeping the stock rom too....
At least it is not sluggish like all previous htc phones stock rom
don't intend to root it unless i got really bored of the stock rom.
Initially wanted to root to tether, now i am relying on Pdanet...
Does anyone knows if rooting will allow faster tether?
I'm using pdanet and loving it. Couldn't have possibly been any easier to set up
PDANet is very cool & easy to use! Only issue is after 14 days, you can't access https sites (only if you buy their app)!
galaxys said:
PDANet is very cool & easy to use! Only issue is after 14 days, you can't access https sites (only if you buy their app)!
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Wow my friend mentioned something like that but i didnt believe him. If its under $15 I guess I'm buying it.
DMaverick50 said:
Wow my friend mentioned something like that but i didnt believe him. If its under $15 I guess I'm buying it.
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2X that...Purchase full version ($29). Still worth it if u do a lot of teathering & don't want to root yet.
Now that's all nice and dandy keeping it stock - for those who can. But what about those of us who have to root the damn thing?..
I ordered an N1, and I would have gladly kept it stock, at least initially, to keep the warranty. However, since google are lazy or just plain don't give a damn, there are no hebrew fonts installed by default; so in order to read SMS's being sent to me, not to mention hebrew webpages, I must root the phone right from the start. Now it is simply unfair that I'll void my warranty just to get my language showing... So if indeed the warranty void would be removed, it would just make my year
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Now that's all nice and dandy keeping it stock - for those who can. But what about those of us who have to root the damn thing?..
I ordered an N1, and I would have gladly kept it stock, at least initially, to keep the warranty. However, since google are lazy or just plain don't give a damn, there are no hebrew fonts installed by default; so in order to read SMS's being sent to me, not to mention hebrew webpages, I must root the phone right from the start. Now it is simply unfair that I'll void my warranty just to get my language showing... So if indeed the warranty void would be removed, it would just make my year
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That's a bummer. With my g1 I could just unroot whenever I needed to send it in for warranty replacement. Is that not possible with the nexus?
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That's a bummer. With my g1 I could just unroot whenever I needed to send it in for warranty replacement. Is that not possible with the nexus?
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not yet. the current root method is a manufacturer provided entry that also automatically invalidates the warranty (barring absolutely non-questionable hardware defects, like dust under the screen or dead pixels or something)
Actually, its perfectly possible to unroot the device and restore the software to stock.
However, in order to root in the first place, you have to Unlock the Bootloader and THAT is the sticking point, as its a one way, once only thing that cannot be reversed. It leaves a little unlocked padlock on your boot screen that also cannot be changed.
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Its also worth weighing up how long your warranty lasts for before rooting in the EU its 2 years (see link below) which is a fairly long warranty. So I suppose until we can relock the bootloader, unlocking depends on how much you value your warranty.
http://www.google.com/support/android/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=166519
Hello!
Just got my Epic 4G a few days ago and I'm already itching to root it, but I'm paranoid about the warranty. Sprint rep told me that they were anal about it and it would void it.
I used to have a Nexus One with T-Mobile and I was flashing new ROMs and kernels almost every day. I've always been a 'nerd' so I know what it all means and how to do it... but there's that lingering warranty in my mind. I was worried about it at first on my Nexus One, but eventually rooted and unlocked the bootloader even though I knew it meant the warranty went byebye.
Can someone offer me some piece of mind? Are these things easy to un-root? Is there any way that a Sprint tech could find out if it was ever rooted should I ever need to take advantage of the warranty?
I'll be honest with you, I'm not sure if it's worth it. I am not going to flash custom ROMs (yes, I miss FroYo, but I'm content)... the only reason I'm interested in rooting is for things like AdFree, Juice Defender, and removing stock apps.
Thoughts?
99% of Sprint reps not only could never tell your phones been rooted without seeing a different boot screen, but don't even know what root is.
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Hello!
Just got my Epic 4G a few days ago and I'm already itching to root it, but I'm paranoid about the warranty. Sprint rep told me that they were anal about it and it would void it.
I used to have a Nexus One with T-Mobile and I was flashing new ROMs and kernels almost every day. I've always been a 'nerd' so I know what it all means and how to do it... but there's that lingering warranty in my mind. I was worried about it at first on my Nexus One, but eventually rooted and unlocked the bootloader even though I knew it meant the warranty went byebye.
Can someone offer me some piece of mind? Are these things easy to un-root? Is there any way that a Sprint tech could find out if it was ever rooted should I ever need to take advantage of the warranty?
I'll be honest with you, I'm not sure if it's worth it. I am not going to flash custom ROMs (yes, I miss FroYo, but I'm content)... the only reason I'm interested in rooting is for things like AdFree, Juice Defender, and removing stock apps.
Thoughts?
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Nothing to worry about... If you have to take your phone back to the store just Odin back to stock and problem solve. Everything is on the Wiki.
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99% of Sprint reps not only could never tell your phones been rooted without seeing a different boot screen, but don't even know what root is.
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exactly! I took my epic in back in November to complain about battery management issue I was having and to swap out for a new one. I told the rep what a bummer it was that I had to re-install all my apps and he said
"naw man, you can just save everything on your sd card no problem. that's what its there for!"
to which I replied, "only on froyo, and only if you install the leaked dk28 build"
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Yeah they don't even know.if a phone is rooted or not. Besides just like people aid previously just use Odin and it.flashes it.back to stock. Its a lifesaver sometimes.
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Some older phones used to have flash counters, and I don't know if the epic has one. Typically they are buried deep in inaccessible areas and I doubt that any sprint store would have the wherewithal to get at it. I'm sure that Samsung could probably tell, but when Sprint sends them back they just throw them in a big box. The point of accountability is at the store where you exchange for another one. So either odin back to stock or short out the hardware and sprint will be none the wiser.
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Some older phones used to have flash counters, and I don't know if the epic has one. Typically they are buried deep in inaccessible areas and I doubt that any sprint store would have the wherewithal to get at it. I'm sure that Samsung could probably tell, but when Sprint sends them back they just throw them in a big box. The point of accountability is at the store where you exchange for another one. So either odin back to stock or short out the hardware and sprint will be none the wiser.
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Yeah, there is actually a code that you can bring up to see if the phone is a refurb'd or not. I did that on mine and it was definately new.
Thanks for all the replies.
Rooted today using this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=808103
No problems.
Now if only there was a Gingerbread ROM...
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Now if only there was a Gingerbread ROM...
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Don't even start
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Yeah, there is actually a code that you can bring up to see if the phone is a refurb'd or not. I did that on mine and it was definately new.
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I did too and with the code check it shows new but hey do you believe that I don't cuz if we can make the phone looks unrooted with Odin they can make their own phone to appear as brand new.
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If you haven't heard all ready Verizon is tracking down root users and limiting there data or fully suspending it so watch out. But we have to fight back against them by hiding Verizon from seeing that we are proudly rooted and some people have said the would sue Verizon. Please do whatever you can to fight against this.
Also motorola and htc are going to start doing the same.
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If you haven't heard all ready Verizon is tracking down root users and limiting there data or fully suspending it so watch out. But we have to fight back against them by hiding Verizon from seeing that we are proudly rooted and some people have said the would sue Verizon. Please do whatever you can to fight against this.
Also motorola and htc are going to start doing the same.
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Wow... just... wow.... First off, they MAY be tracking phones. Second, there is NO proof they are limiting anyones data or suspending service. I only posted that because it's something that MAY be happening, and people should be aware. It wasn't meant for fear mongering.
If you would have read the whole article, you would have seen that this is an INDUSTRY WIDE thing. Not just Verizon.
There is no need for ANYONE to freak out right now.
IF its true, and they are tracking people who have loaded GB on their phones, there isn't a damn thing you can do about it now, so just sit back and enjoy your damned GB Droids.
I am about 80% positive they are tracking after I googled for 5 hours.
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I am about 80% positive they are tracking after I googled for 5 hours.
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It's very possible, and I wouldn't blame them too much. They should have a way to detect fraudulent warranty claims.
And for those of you who think rooting your phone and loading custom ROMs shouldn't void the warranty, your wrong. The carriers and OEMs put software on the phones they KNOW work. They DON'T know if the custom ROM you are using will work correctly.
I have no problem with rooting at your own risk (ie: Voiding warranty)....that's quite frankly, the way it should be, because if I'm overclocking my device I understand I'm increasing the chances of damaging the internal hardware in my phone. Nevermind, all the people who brick their devices because they don't know what they're doing.
I would hope that Verizon doesn't have the balls to try and go after people who are not doing anything illegal with their rooted device though (ie: Not tethering, regardless of how you feel about it). It's already been established that it's legal to root your device. Myself, while I've downloaded the tethering app, I've never used it for more then 30 seconds to try it out and see if it worked. I only downloaded it for emergency purposes, and I've yet to have said emergency.
Why would the carriers even care if we're rooted and using custom ROMs as long as we're not doing anything bad, like the aforementioned tethering? We paid for our phones and we pay our bills, so we should have the right to do as we please as long as we're not infringing on others.
As for me, I will stay rooted and if a class action suit is filed, will happily join in.
My question is' if we installed the non rooted version of gb, are they tracking that too?
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My question is' if we installed the non rooted version of gb, are they tracking that too?
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They have been tracking root users long before the GB leak. From what I've read, they have been looking at who doesn't take updates. I don't know exactly if they put any snooping file in the GB leak or not.
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Guys I really don't think they will be doing this. I understand that root should be a void in warranty, and totally agree with that, but if they shut off our services for having root, than a lawsuit should be made. They have no right to shut them down. Doesn't that breach that law made like a year ago about jailbreaking/rooting?
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Guys I really don't think they will be doing this. I understand that root should be a void in warranty, and totally agree with that, but if they shut off our services for having root, than a lawsuit should be made. They have no right to shut them down. Doesn't that breach that law made like a year ago about jailbreaking/rooting?
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Well, you could argue that rooting your device is legal, but carriers don't have to let them on their networks.
Anyways, I highly doubt any carrier will be cutting anyones service.
I think what they might do is this:
They will send a notice to everyone that they are tracking root users, their meids will be flagged to ensure no warranty claims can be filed by them, and that if caught tethering without paying, they will be charged a fee.
That would be a logical way to go about it.
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Well, you could argue that rooting your device is legal, but carriers don't have to let them on their networks.
Anyways, I highly doubt any carrier will be cutting anyones service.
I think what they might do is this:
They will send a notice to everyone that they are tracking root users, their meids will be flagged to ensure no warranty claims can be filed by them, and that if caught tethering without paying, they will be charged a fee.
That would be a logical way to go about it.
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Exactly what I was thinking. That might be a no go with root for me. I need my warranty. Tethering is honestly not a huge deal to me, but if my warranty is gone I don't know what I'd do. I'm sure if one carrier does this, they all will start rewriting their policies.
This thread seems a bit incendiary.
I'm not sure what lawsuit people intend to file against Verizon. It isn't clear that tracking rooted users violates those users' rights in any way.
As for denying warranty service, I have rooted every Android phone that I've had, and I have no problem if Verizon denies me warranty service on any phone that I have rooted (so long as the problems could logically be related to rooting). I also modified my car when it was under warranty, and if the dealership denied me service on the exhaust, that would have been fine (although they couldn't deny me service on, for example, the suspension).
If I brick my phone, then that is my fault - Verizon shouldn't have to give me a new one.
I have no doubt that they are tracking/logging rooted users. Maybe this is why GB got leaked in the first place? This is all a result of the community.
The ones that tether the 20ish gb of data a month, to the "noob" that roots and messes something up and instead of reading up on how to fix, they just return it to Verizon. I broke a D2 a few months back, but instead of returning it, I bought a new one at full price because I was rooted. Its just a moral thing to me.
As long as you don't tether alot or do anything else illegal, I believe that just being rooted will not result in a termination of contract. That's just my opinion.
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This is what I found out. They are tracking use to try and detect those who are tethering. AT&T is also doing this now to try and find out who is tethering w/o the appropriate packages. What they will do when they find the un-authorized tethering people is beyond me, that wasn't told to me. I was also told not to install the GB leak. This comes from a very reliable source within Verizon. I wasn't told much more than that or what they are doing with violators. I don't know what the deal is with the GB leak, I just know I will listen to my friend and not install it. Usually I am one who roots immediately and gets to town doing what they don't want us doing, but since this came from a really close friend, I will listen and take his advice.
I don't see why you shouldn't install the GB leak if you are just doing the non-rooted version. I mean what will verizon do? Block you're phone when the official OTA comes out? They can't do that.
I really don't see anything wrong with installing the GB leak, especially if you aren't tethering or anything to steal.
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This is what I found out. They are tracking use to try and detect those who are tethering. AT&T is also doing this now to try and find out who is tethering w/o the appropriate packages. What they will do when they find the un-authorized tethering people is beyond me, that wasn't told to me. I was also told not to install the GB leak. This comes from a very reliable source within Verizon. I wasn't told much more than that or what they are doing with violators. I don't know what the deal is with the GB leak, I just know I will listen to my friend and not install it. Usually I am one who roots immediately and gets to town doing what they don't want us doing, but since this came from a really close friend, I will listen and take his advice.
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So much paranoia! I always like the "friend at Verizon" story with vague warnings of punishment from Verizon should we install the forbidden leak.
You'll forgive me if I'm a bit skeptical of your story.
I got a guy that has a friend that's related to the uncle of this chick that went to the same high school as this one dude that this other guy knew that said.....wait what were we talking about?
I think a lot of people are blowing this out of proportion. Most the people at Verizon haven't the slightest clue about what the head honchos are trying to do. They pass a lot of BS to their employees to see who leaks out information. Verizon tries to keep secrets the best they can, I doubt anyone knows what Verizon is trying to do. That's going for VZW reps and such. I don't know exactly how the GB leak was leaked out, but personally I'm glad it was, it is such an improvement for our phones and something we really needed. If this happens it happens, I don't know what I'd do (leave VZW, unroot, stay rooted) until the time comes to be honest.
First off.. wow.. with the Big Brother is watching stuff. And 2nd who cares if they are?! I will root every phone I get until I drop dead. And if you want to know why they leaked the GingerBread Rom.. it's called Research & Development! It's the old, "if we can't beat them -secretly join forces with them".
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So basicly.. we are their FREE beta testers. So who's using who here? Lol
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Ok, this might be a MEGA noobish question, but i have never dealt with Android before so please bare with me XD
I have just (yesterday) got my Atrix on tmobile in the uk, an would like to root it to use Aura ROM to get the 2.3.4 features and general improvements it seems to bring, but is there any reason to wait any length of time?
Its my understanding that Android is completely OpenSource, so is rooting it voiding any warranty, or is it OK with carriers? I ask since tmobile offers a 14 day period to make sure im happy with the phone, and that it all works fine, which it seems to after my extensive playing/testing over the last 2 days, but if it does go wrong i wouldnt want to take it in, rooted, and have them say they cant help me.
any clearing up of this would be much appreciated!
You should wait until the return period is over before rooting it. This will give you time to make sure nothing is physically wrong with it. Rooting alone will not void your warranty. However, unlocking the boot loader will and you need to do that to load a custom recovery so that you can flash another ROM. An unlocked message will get displayed on the start up screen. Some carriers may not pay much attention to that when returning it. Motorola will most likely notice if you need to use the manufacturers warranty though.
Root will void your warranty, wait till the trial period is over just to be safe...
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i got my phone from AT&T and rooted it as soon as i got home, a week later i ended up hard bricking my phone and went into the AT&T store and got it replaced for free. now, i did also pay for insurance on my phone so if anything happened to it (even if it's my fault) i'd get it replaced, but it seemed as if the representative had no clue what he was talking about. i was honest with them and everything and told him i was trying to unlock the phone when it happened, and he just kind of smiled and nodded and then pulled out a new phone out of the back. i asked how much i owed him, and he told me nothing.
point of the story is, i wouldn't worry about rooting the phone. it's possible that you won't be able to get it replaced, but chances are the rep you talk to either won't know what rooting is, or won't care. unlocking your bootloader though, i'd definitely wait a little while.
thanks, that is a good point though that people in the shop probably wont understand/care about rooting etc.
Though your reply, Alcapone, has confused me slightly i thought rooting and unlocking the bootloader were one and the same, but apparently not. could you please explain what is different, and is there any reason for me to root without unlocking the bootloader?
basically for now, since im on tmobile who seem quite slow at updating, i just want to get a way to put gingerbread on the phone. im ok with waiting 2 weeks for roms, but 2.3.4 i could do with now, if its possible, can that be done just by rooting?
many thanks
ishamm said:
thanks, that is a good point though that people in the shop probably wont understand/care about rooting etc.
Though your reply, Alcapone, has confused me slightly i thought rooting and unlocking the bootloader were one and the same, but apparently not. could you please explain what is different, and is there any reason for me to root without unlocking the bootloader?
basically for now, since im on tmobile who seem quite slow at updating, i just want to get a way to put gingerbread on the phone. im ok with waiting 2 weeks for roms, but 2.3.4 i could do with now, if its possible, can that be done just by rooting?
many thanks
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rooting your device is just giving it root access, so apps can access parts of the system that they normally couldn't. rooting is extremely easily, and reversible. there are multiple ways to do it, i would suggest either the one click root for all gingerbread devices here
or the preinstall method here
now, unlocking the bootloader is a lot different. it pretty much enables you to install custom firmware onto your device. you can install a custom recovery that allows you to install amazing ROMs such as CM7, Aura, Ninja, Alien, Red Pill, Homebase, etc. etc.
i'm still assuming you're on gingerbread, so unlocking your bootloader is a panicky process. you'll get a fake hard brick (0x1000 error), but all you have to do is boot into fastboot mode and type the command 'fastboot oem unlock'. you can find a really awesome script that will do it all for you here
now, unlocking the bootloader voids the warranty. it gives you a bit of text on your boot logo (the motorola screen) that says 'unlocked' and allows your carrier to know you voided the warranty. it's also irreversible, once unlocked always unlocked. so make your decision wisely
nevermind, just skimmed over your post again. my apologies, i misread a few parts originally, you'll need to unlock your device to install a custom ROM with gingerbread. you can unlock your device by flashing the .sbf files you can find in this thread here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1136261
thanks, so just to confirm, rooting alone wont allow me to update to 2.3.4? to be honest im not really to fussed about voiding warranty, it only lasts 2 weeks, and im away with no tmobile store even vaguely close for both of them plus i seem to be addicted to voiding the warranty on anything i buy by fiddling/overclocking asap, i cant help myself
i assume it is possible, if it does go wrong, to restore the phone to manufacturers settings and start again?
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thanks, so just to confirm, rooting alone wont allow me to update to 2.3.4? to be honest im not really to fussed about voiding warranty, it only lasts 2 weeks, and im away with no tmobile store even vaguely close for both of them plus i seem to be addicted to voiding the warranty on anything i buy by fiddling/overclocking asap, i cant help myself
i assume it is possible, if it does go wrong, to restore the phone to manufacturers settings and start again?
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After you get the bootloader unlocked and cwm recovery installed going back to factory settings is as easy as installing a stock ROM. Which is pretty damn easy
And rooting alone isn't enough to get you gingerbread.
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awesome, thanks again. one last question (for now at least ) before i dive in, is this all possible on a mac, i noticed a lot of the rooters (if thats the right word?) are .exe which worried me slightly, im away from my windows machine for 2 weeks now. if not i guess thats as good a reason as any to not void my warranty for now XD
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awesome, thanks again. one last question (for now at least ) before i dive in, is this all possible on a mac, i noticed a lot of the rooters (if thats the right word?) are .exe which worried me slightly, im away from my windows machine for 2 weeks now. if not i guess thats as good a reason as any to not void my warranty for now XD
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You can go to the ihop thread in the dev forum and use the Mac sbf flasher provided there. After that use the sbf that corresponds to your device. Flashing the wrong sbf can brick your device so maker sure you get the right one. Then boot into fastboot and use the fastboot OEM unlock command.
You can root as well on a Mac i'm sure, I just wouldn't know how. I'm guessing the preinstall method I linked would work.
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ishamm said:
Ok, this might be a MEGA noobish question, but i have never dealt with Android before so please bare with me XD
I have just (yesterday) got my Atrix on tmobile in the uk, an would like to root it to use Aura ROM to get the 2.3.4 features and general improvements it seems to bring, but is there any reason to wait any length of t
Its my understanding that Android is completely OpenSource, so is rooting it voiding any warranty, or is it OK with carriers? I ask since tmobile offers a 14 day period to make sure im happy with the phone, and that it all works fine, which it seems to after my extensive playing/testing over the last 2 days, but if it does go wrong i wouldnt want to take it in, rooted, and have them say they cant help me.
any clearing up of this would be much appreciated!
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if you know how to root id do so. i already rooted, and also bricked my atrix. flashing the 4.2 sbf unbricked it and rerooted no problems so far, just the benefits of root (using apps that can only work with root permissions, flashing custom roms) also why flash Aura and run 2.3.4 when you can flash honeyatrix and run honeycomb 3.1?
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if you know how to root id do so. i already rooted, and also bricked my atrix. flashing the 4.2 sbf unbricked it and rerooted no problems so far, just the benefits of root (using apps that can only work with root permissions, flashing custom roms) also why flash Aura and run 2.3.4 when you can flash honeyatrix and run honeycomb 3.1?
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Honey atrix isn't really honeycomb. It's gingerbread with a bunch of mods installed to make it resemble honeycomb
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Alcapone263 said:
Honey atrix isn't really honeycomb. It's gingerbread with a bunch of mods installed to make it resemble honeycomb
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oh ok been running it along time so why does my android version say 3.1 and not 2.3?
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oh ok been running it along time so why does my android version say 3.1 and not 2.3?
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It uses some files from honeycomb that edits the version number. It's still gingerbread, trust me.
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It uses some files from honeycomb that edits the version number. It's still gingerbread, trust me.
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i see well not gonna argue about it, just askin. still a great rom and very fast. i change alot of the look to my preference though. i may like the features and speed but im not a big honeycomb theme fan, i like my status bar white and such.
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i see well not gonna argue about it, just askin. still a great rom and very fast. i change alot of the look to my preference though. i may like the features and speed but im not a big honeycomb theme fan, i like my status bar white and such.
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You should check out cm7. It's extremely customizable and really, really fast.
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You should check out cm7. It's extremely customizable and really, really fast.
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na not yet maybe after beta when everything works, kinda over cm now. new phone new roms hoping some new ones pop up here soon, but ill probly check out cm when its out of beta but most likely wont keep it as default.
after a bit of research it seems rooting on a mac is pretty tricky, since i dont have a vast ammount of terminal experience. is there a way i can forward some sort of app to the phone and root from the phone itself?
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thanks, so just to confirm, rooting alone wont allow me to update to 2.3.4? to be honest im not really to fussed about voiding warranty, it only lasts 2 weeks, and im away with no tmobile store even vaguely close for both of them plus i seem to be addicted to voiding the warranty on anything i buy by fiddling/overclocking asap, i cant help myself
i assume it is possible, if it does go wrong, to restore the phone to manufacturers settings and start again?
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The 2 weeks is a return window with tmobile. Motorola, and most vendors, offer a one year manufacturer warranty. That is the warranty you void when unlocking the boot loader. Just wanted to clarify that bit.
ah thanks, i guess motorola WOULD notice its unlocked then. after some reading i think i'll use CM7, seems less likely to kill the phone, right?
the phone is insured, i guess it would be covered by that if i bricked it for good? if not i could take a hammer to it and claim it was a 'terrible accident' XD
YES! I've used the search until my head started to spin and got no real answer to this.
I've read and read about the "Knox thing" and that it trips the flag, and so did it on my phone when I did an upgrade.
How how does tripping the Knox affect my phone?
In what way does it change it?
I know, you have no warranty, but that is always a risk you have to take with any phone/hacking. That is my decision to take.
But any REAL implications? I tried to read and read up about it and I don't see the "thing" with it?
I read and read posts about how to not trip it so I really wonder if it does something that affects the phone in a negative sense?
Does it hinder me to have root and load custom roms?
Does it hinder me in side-loading things?
What does this damn flag really do with the phone???
I read that I can't downgrade my roms from 4.2.2 to an older version but then, why should I?
I want the newest, coolest, best roms that I can get here by the amazing devs!
When I had my HTC One X I had to register on HTC-Dev to get a key to unlock the phone, so I knew what I was doing.
I was breaking the warranty and I was willingly doing that because I wanted to have custom roms.
I like to hack around and I soft-bricked more phones and times then I can remember.
In the Samsung world there is/was the Triangle away since Samsung has the counter for how many times you flashed
(but it doesn't seem to affect the phone in anyway, as far as I have read or does it?). So you might have been a bit spoiled
If this is "just" about warranty then I read that some tripped it with a normal Kies upgrade so I doesn't seem perfect.
Please, enlighten me. I can't find any good answers on this.
As a matter of fact I actually will get a new S4 soon and I'm very curious what firmware it will contain?
And this is why - Off-topic (I tend to be that).
I got a post-anesthetic amnesia after a surgery. What they told me was that I tried to start up my phone but it didn't want too (BAD Foxdoggie! )
so I threw it in the wall 2 times and then I broke it in half when they forbid me to throw it anymore.
No recollection at all, but I wish I had since breaking a phone in 2 parts isn't something you do every day
The insurance company wanted me to send in the phone for repairs and it was in at least 512 parts.
Was quite fun to go to the store and ask them to send it to service. :laugh:
Btw, keep away from the glass if it breaks! It gets razor sharp. The next day I have to pull out micro-parts from my hands that was lodged in the skin and my hands was cut all over, but then I'm good with a scalpel
So again, can someone please explain to me the negative implications of Knox?
If there are anything that will make my phone function in worse way I will make a formal complaint to Samsung here in Sweden since
I didn't buy a car to find that after a routine service, suddenly had the speed limited to 70 km/h...
I talked to my phone-company and they didn't knew what Knox was? AT ALL.
He just told me to use Triangle Away if it would break (or the same if I would jail-break my iPhone)!
So you even get instructions on what to do to make it "look" ok from your own provider since they are so well aware that people hack/root their phones.
Someone said in a post that only 1% root/jailbreak. I call that bull. But I think that more people jailbreak their iPhones then root their Androids.
But 1%? Just the fact that your cell-provider informs you how to "restore" your phone (and even asked me what rom I'm using!?!).
So maybe hard-core freaks are 1% but "normal" rooters/jailbreakers are way way way more.
It's the same with internet. Right now I have 500 Mbit and do the provider REALLY think I use that to browse Facebook faster?
So they all play a double game. At least in Sweden but I think that is quite universal?
This is my first Samsung. I'm a HTC-guy and if this Knox hinders me while other companies open up theirs instead, it will be my last.
I got a great deal on this phone and thought that since Samsung has the largest base it would be nice to see the awsome devs here.
And WOW. I was not wrong
Btw, Foxie, I love your rom, but it's just not post-surgery safe. You should add that as a warning
/Absie
Cool story bro
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Did you not spot the KNOX sticky? All questions and answers to your questions in there.
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Did you not spot the KNOX sticky? All questions and answers to your questions in there.
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Yes, I have. It's kind of messy and is still not answering the my question.
Yes, I have read the Samsung page. I'll continue in the "real thread".
I just want to know.
Can I flash roms, can I gain root, can I load apps like before? I don't give a duck about the corp stuff. I just want to continue to flash my device and be happy with it
/Absie
absolon_se said:
Yes, I have. It's kind of messy and is still not answering the my question.
Yes, I have read the Samsung page. I'll continue in the "real thread".
I just want to know.
Can I flash roms, can I gain root, can I load apps like before? I don't give a duck about the corp stuff. I just want to continue to flash my device and be happy with it
/Absie
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well as far as i know you can do all that as long as you don't care about the warranty, but root apps might nor work as they should(or may not work at all).
i could be wrong about all this
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Did you not spot the KNOX sticky? All questions and answers to your questions in there.
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negrobembon said:
well as far as i know you can do all that as long as you don't care about the warranty, but root apps might nor work as they should(or may not work at all).
i could be wrong about all this
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I just continued here to avoid comments about my sight... :cyclops:
(I did, didn't had a clear answer. Asked here. Wooboo. Will never do that again. Promise. )
KNOX is a security feature enabled by Samsung for corporate things. Does a normal end user need it probably not and should be an option. However Samsugn decided to roll it out to all phones regardless.
If you have a KNOX enabled handset, you can do as you please, root, install custom recovery, flash roms, flash kernels, however it will disable KNOX and will set the KNOX couneter to 0x1, once this is done you can not reverse it.
As an effect to warranty, it's probably country dependent. There is a warranty thread, some users have sent their phones in once KNOX has been tripped and phones have been repaired.