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What are the cons of Rooting??

As the title asks, with me getting the Evo (2 of them) on the 4th and wanting to root them to get full access, I understand the "pros" for rooting but what are the "cons"?

If you dont know the cons of rooting your phone... the con is you'll probably brick it.
good luck !

There aren't many, but I guess if you had to list them:
1) Slight risk of bricking your phone, but this really only applies if you're not careful, IMHO.
2) Technically it voids your warranty, however, you can always unroot, assuming your phone is still operational.
3) You won't receive OTA updates, however HTC has made a habit of not releasing timely OTA updates for their phones, and you can again unroot if you really want to.

Can you post a link to the PROs of rooting please. Thanks.

A few Pros:
1) Can install custom roms, which are usually faster and more customizable than the stock rom.
2) Can overclock
3) Can remove bloatware (e.g., Sprint pre-installed apps)
4) Can use a free wireless tethering app
5) You often get features from upcoming versions of Android faster than if you waited for the stock ROM to be sent out by the carrier/manufacturer (e.g., by installing new custom ROMS).

In regards to #4. How long do you think it will take someone to get wireless tethering going on the EVO. I think it is another 30 bucks a month if you want to pay for it. Overclock, that will be new territory for me, I have a Palm Treo Pro which could seriously use an OC.

I had WiMo for years and did the Kitchen and RUUs on many. My 6700 was OC'ed to 624. My VZW 6800 has a Sprint radio on it for GPS and 6.5 with lots of reg edits. Im not worried about bricking my device. Ive never bricked one before and done plan on it now.
Im aware of voiding the warranty but its not like VZW or Sprints reps have been much help or use before anyway.
Unrooting is something I dont see much about. I can understand why since rooting is where we all want to go but how do you unroot?
Not worried about OTA updates either as Im sure the updates will be on torrent sites and sites like this one for manual updates to happen.
Does all 3rd party software work on a rooted device or is there something in the software itself that needs to be changed?

PAPutzback said:
In regards to #4. How long do you think it will take someone to get wireless tethering going on the EVO. I think it is another 30 bucks a month if you want to pay for it. Overclock, that will be new territory for me, I have a Palm Treo Pro which could seriously use an OC.
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I currently use PDANet to tether.
It does not require Root.
Maybe I am missing something here.

You can also use the multitude of root-required apps like Titanium Backup (my favorite Android app).

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You can also use the multitude of root-required apps like Titanium Backup (my favorite Android app).
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Titanium Back up is also one of my fav Root/Android apps.
the only reason i root is for the roms and apps

I'm a noob but saw utube video about rooting the EVO but does someone know the actual steps to do this , forgive my ignorance. Please don't flame me, I know I'm a neophyte.

cooley_l said:
I'm a noob but saw utube video about rooting the EVO but does someone know the actual steps to do this , forgive my ignorance. Please don't flame me, I know I'm a neophyte.
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I don't think the official steps have been officially released yet by whoever did it.

Yeah I dont think they have been released either. They are waiting for the phone to be officially released first.
I have PDAnet also for Android and am just waiting to get the device. I use it one my WiMo all the time and it works great.

here are the cons I have noticed since rooting my Hero......:
1. You will quickly turn into a flashaholic...
2. You will be glued to this site all the time......
3. You will never ever leave your phone alone....."if I could just change this one thing i will be happy" nope.... IT NEVER ENDS
4. oh and yes u could brick it and it does void the warranty
jus me 2 cents

beerock said:
here are the cons I have noticed since rooting my Hero......:
1. You will quickly turn into a flashaholic...
2. You will be glued to this site all the time......
3. You will never ever leave your phone alone....."if I could just change this one thing i will be happy" nope.... IT NEVER ENDS
4. oh and yes u could brick it and it does void the warranty
jus me 2 cents
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..and I'll add another 98 cents to that!!

I had root on my Hero for wifi tether, and the roms. OTA updates don't mean anything because the devs are able to usually incorporate those right away and even before they are released. I was running 2.1 on my Hero long before Sprint released it. I also like having the ability to remove all the System apps I don't want. I don't see much negatives from rooting.

[Q] If i unlock then relock, can Moto tell that i unlocked?

I know this has been asked before but i just want to be sure, i just got the xoom and i want to know if i can send it in for repairs. I just want to kno if its like the ipod's/phones where there is a physical feature that is broken, so i can relock and my warranty will be valid.

Moto doesn't care.

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Elysian893 said:
Moto doesn't care.
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Wait, what makes you say that? Do you know something we don't know? As far as I've heard, they've been very specific to say that they will not support devices that have been hacked.

slack04 said:
As far as I've heard, they've been very specific to say that they will not support devices that have been hacked.
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... yet they sold us a Google-Experience device with an unlocked bootloader.
You can't break anything seriously with software, which means any potential problems we'd have are either physical, user-abuse, or hardware defects. If you send it in and they determine that the problem is SW, they'll probably just wipe it back to stock and send it to you.

Fact does remain, however, that when you unlock that device you have to acknowledge you are voiding your warranty if you proceed. I'd like to think they would be reasonable - but at the same time, you have agreed to kiss off your warranty when you unlock.

That is why I am hesitant to unlock, on all of my Android Phones I have rooted because I know there is no hardware function that can tell it has been "Hacked" like on the iPhone. The Xoom I am unsure about because nobody has a definitive answer yet. My Eris broke 3 times while rooted and I unrooted each time and sent it in for a exchange. I just want the above situation to be equivilent to when/if (Hopefully not) my xoom has a hardware failure.

Jiv3turk3y89 said:
That is why I am hesitant to unlock, on all of my Android Phones I have rooted because I know there is no hardware function that can tell it has been "Hacked" like on the iPhone. The Xoom I am unsure about because nobody has a definitive answer yet. My Eris broke 3 times while rooted and I unrooted each time and sent it in for a exchange. I just want the above situation to be equivilent to when/if (Hopefully not) my xoom has a hardware failure.
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Moto has released their newest UPDATE for the xoom, on their website they included instructions and software to "RE-LOCK"/"UNROOT" your device before doing update. they dont care as long as you "relock"before sending the device to them to fix or reflash stock after you BUNKED a mod or etc...i dont recommend doing a theme flash, i did a few of them and had to go back to stock after every theme i tried, they did nothing but force close and i almost wasnt able to get back into CWM because the device wasnt recognized in adb...unlocking and rooting does nothing bad to your XOOM, best thing going for it, at least til there are some ROMS that couldnt get here any sooner...just a heads up

LNKNPRKFN said:
Moto has released their newest UPDATE for the xoom, on their website they included instructions and software to "RE-LOCK"/"UNROOT" your device before doing update. they dont care as long as you "relock"before sending the device to them to fix or reflash stock after you BUNKED a mod or etc...i dont recommend doing a theme flash, i did a few of them and had to go back to stock after every theme i tried, they did nothing but force close and i almost wasnt able to get back into CWM because the device wasnt recognized in adb...unlocking and rooting does nothing bad to your XOOM, best thing going for it, at least til there are some ROMS that couldnt get here any sooner...just a heads up
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Thanks everyone! I think im going to unlock it when I get the chance, the SD card slot is a BIG thing that I could use, also I want it overclocked just a lil (1.25 Ghz per core) so it doesn't lag much on the home screen. Also im not going to be flashing roms and stuff mainly kernels. This device is going to be used as a family computer so i can't mess with it as much as I can with my Phone . Anyways thanks guys!

Reason no to root on day 2 of contract?

Ok, this might be a MEGA noobish question, but i have never dealt with Android before so please bare with me XD
I have just (yesterday) got my Atrix on tmobile in the uk, an would like to root it to use Aura ROM to get the 2.3.4 features and general improvements it seems to bring, but is there any reason to wait any length of time?
Its my understanding that Android is completely OpenSource, so is rooting it voiding any warranty, or is it OK with carriers? I ask since tmobile offers a 14 day period to make sure im happy with the phone, and that it all works fine, which it seems to after my extensive playing/testing over the last 2 days, but if it does go wrong i wouldnt want to take it in, rooted, and have them say they cant help me.
any clearing up of this would be much appreciated!

You should wait until the return period is over before rooting it. This will give you time to make sure nothing is physically wrong with it. Rooting alone will not void your warranty. However, unlocking the boot loader will and you need to do that to load a custom recovery so that you can flash another ROM. An unlocked message will get displayed on the start up screen. Some carriers may not pay much attention to that when returning it. Motorola will most likely notice if you need to use the manufacturers warranty though.

Root will void your warranty, wait till the trial period is over just to be safe...
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i got my phone from AT&T and rooted it as soon as i got home, a week later i ended up hard bricking my phone and went into the AT&T store and got it replaced for free. now, i did also pay for insurance on my phone so if anything happened to it (even if it's my fault) i'd get it replaced, but it seemed as if the representative had no clue what he was talking about. i was honest with them and everything and told him i was trying to unlock the phone when it happened, and he just kind of smiled and nodded and then pulled out a new phone out of the back. i asked how much i owed him, and he told me nothing.
point of the story is, i wouldn't worry about rooting the phone. it's possible that you won't be able to get it replaced, but chances are the rep you talk to either won't know what rooting is, or won't care. unlocking your bootloader though, i'd definitely wait a little while.

thanks, that is a good point though that people in the shop probably wont understand/care about rooting etc.
Though your reply, Alcapone, has confused me slightly i thought rooting and unlocking the bootloader were one and the same, but apparently not. could you please explain what is different, and is there any reason for me to root without unlocking the bootloader?
basically for now, since im on tmobile who seem quite slow at updating, i just want to get a way to put gingerbread on the phone. im ok with waiting 2 weeks for roms, but 2.3.4 i could do with now, if its possible, can that be done just by rooting?
many thanks

ishamm said:
thanks, that is a good point though that people in the shop probably wont understand/care about rooting etc.
Though your reply, Alcapone, has confused me slightly i thought rooting and unlocking the bootloader were one and the same, but apparently not. could you please explain what is different, and is there any reason for me to root without unlocking the bootloader?
basically for now, since im on tmobile who seem quite slow at updating, i just want to get a way to put gingerbread on the phone. im ok with waiting 2 weeks for roms, but 2.3.4 i could do with now, if its possible, can that be done just by rooting?
many thanks
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rooting your device is just giving it root access, so apps can access parts of the system that they normally couldn't. rooting is extremely easily, and reversible. there are multiple ways to do it, i would suggest either the one click root for all gingerbread devices here
or the preinstall method here
now, unlocking the bootloader is a lot different. it pretty much enables you to install custom firmware onto your device. you can install a custom recovery that allows you to install amazing ROMs such as CM7, Aura, Ninja, Alien, Red Pill, Homebase, etc. etc.
i'm still assuming you're on gingerbread, so unlocking your bootloader is a panicky process. you'll get a fake hard brick (0x1000 error), but all you have to do is boot into fastboot mode and type the command 'fastboot oem unlock'. you can find a really awesome script that will do it all for you here
now, unlocking the bootloader voids the warranty. it gives you a bit of text on your boot logo (the motorola screen) that says 'unlocked' and allows your carrier to know you voided the warranty. it's also irreversible, once unlocked always unlocked. so make your decision wisely
nevermind, just skimmed over your post again. my apologies, i misread a few parts originally, you'll need to unlock your device to install a custom ROM with gingerbread. you can unlock your device by flashing the .sbf files you can find in this thread here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1136261

thanks, so just to confirm, rooting alone wont allow me to update to 2.3.4? to be honest im not really to fussed about voiding warranty, it only lasts 2 weeks, and im away with no tmobile store even vaguely close for both of them plus i seem to be addicted to voiding the warranty on anything i buy by fiddling/overclocking asap, i cant help myself
i assume it is possible, if it does go wrong, to restore the phone to manufacturers settings and start again?

ishamm said:
thanks, so just to confirm, rooting alone wont allow me to update to 2.3.4? to be honest im not really to fussed about voiding warranty, it only lasts 2 weeks, and im away with no tmobile store even vaguely close for both of them plus i seem to be addicted to voiding the warranty on anything i buy by fiddling/overclocking asap, i cant help myself
i assume it is possible, if it does go wrong, to restore the phone to manufacturers settings and start again?
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After you get the bootloader unlocked and cwm recovery installed going back to factory settings is as easy as installing a stock ROM. Which is pretty damn easy
And rooting alone isn't enough to get you gingerbread.
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awesome, thanks again. one last question (for now at least ) before i dive in, is this all possible on a mac, i noticed a lot of the rooters (if thats the right word?) are .exe which worried me slightly, im away from my windows machine for 2 weeks now. if not i guess thats as good a reason as any to not void my warranty for now XD

ishamm said:
awesome, thanks again. one last question (for now at least ) before i dive in, is this all possible on a mac, i noticed a lot of the rooters (if thats the right word?) are .exe which worried me slightly, im away from my windows machine for 2 weeks now. if not i guess thats as good a reason as any to not void my warranty for now XD
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You can go to the ihop thread in the dev forum and use the Mac sbf flasher provided there. After that use the sbf that corresponds to your device. Flashing the wrong sbf can brick your device so maker sure you get the right one. Then boot into fastboot and use the fastboot OEM unlock command.
You can root as well on a Mac i'm sure, I just wouldn't know how. I'm guessing the preinstall method I linked would work.
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ishamm said:
Ok, this might be a MEGA noobish question, but i have never dealt with Android before so please bare with me XD
I have just (yesterday) got my Atrix on tmobile in the uk, an would like to root it to use Aura ROM to get the 2.3.4 features and general improvements it seems to bring, but is there any reason to wait any length of t
Its my understanding that Android is completely OpenSource, so is rooting it voiding any warranty, or is it OK with carriers? I ask since tmobile offers a 14 day period to make sure im happy with the phone, and that it all works fine, which it seems to after my extensive playing/testing over the last 2 days, but if it does go wrong i wouldnt want to take it in, rooted, and have them say they cant help me.
any clearing up of this would be much appreciated!
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if you know how to root id do so. i already rooted, and also bricked my atrix. flashing the 4.2 sbf unbricked it and rerooted no problems so far, just the benefits of root (using apps that can only work with root permissions, flashing custom roms) also why flash Aura and run 2.3.4 when you can flash honeyatrix and run honeycomb 3.1?

rob219 said:
if you know how to root id do so. i already rooted, and also bricked my atrix. flashing the 4.2 sbf unbricked it and rerooted no problems so far, just the benefits of root (using apps that can only work with root permissions, flashing custom roms) also why flash Aura and run 2.3.4 when you can flash honeyatrix and run honeycomb 3.1?
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Honey atrix isn't really honeycomb. It's gingerbread with a bunch of mods installed to make it resemble honeycomb
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Alcapone263 said:
Honey atrix isn't really honeycomb. It's gingerbread with a bunch of mods installed to make it resemble honeycomb
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oh ok been running it along time so why does my android version say 3.1 and not 2.3?

rob219 said:
oh ok been running it along time so why does my android version say 3.1 and not 2.3?
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It uses some files from honeycomb that edits the version number. It's still gingerbread, trust me.
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Alcapone263 said:
It uses some files from honeycomb that edits the version number. It's still gingerbread, trust me.
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i see well not gonna argue about it, just askin. still a great rom and very fast. i change alot of the look to my preference though. i may like the features and speed but im not a big honeycomb theme fan, i like my status bar white and such.

rob219 said:
i see well not gonna argue about it, just askin. still a great rom and very fast. i change alot of the look to my preference though. i may like the features and speed but im not a big honeycomb theme fan, i like my status bar white and such.
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You should check out cm7. It's extremely customizable and really, really fast.
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Alcapone263 said:
You should check out cm7. It's extremely customizable and really, really fast.
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na not yet maybe after beta when everything works, kinda over cm now. new phone new roms hoping some new ones pop up here soon, but ill probly check out cm when its out of beta but most likely wont keep it as default.

after a bit of research it seems rooting on a mac is pretty tricky, since i dont have a vast ammount of terminal experience. is there a way i can forward some sort of app to the phone and root from the phone itself?

ishamm said:
thanks, so just to confirm, rooting alone wont allow me to update to 2.3.4? to be honest im not really to fussed about voiding warranty, it only lasts 2 weeks, and im away with no tmobile store even vaguely close for both of them plus i seem to be addicted to voiding the warranty on anything i buy by fiddling/overclocking asap, i cant help myself
i assume it is possible, if it does go wrong, to restore the phone to manufacturers settings and start again?
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The 2 weeks is a return window with tmobile. Motorola, and most vendors, offer a one year manufacturer warranty. That is the warranty you void when unlocking the boot loader. Just wanted to clarify that bit.

ah thanks, i guess motorola WOULD notice its unlocked then. after some reading i think i'll use CM7, seems less likely to kill the phone, right?
the phone is insured, i guess it would be covered by that if i bricked it for good? if not i could take a hammer to it and claim it was a 'terrible accident' XD

Warning about root

if you root this phone and trip knox fuse counter. you will NEVER EVER be able to use the great feature of MST through samsung pay.
My thoughts . since we have a non root hotspot and all bloatware (which isnt that much) can be disabled
the phone has so much customization incl uded i am not rooting the phone. the battery lasts 2 days easy with medium
use. no bugs at all i can find. what more can you ask for.
Remember Root no MST (mst is the ability to use the old card swipers at any location with the phone. it sends card you addeds magnetic strip info to the swiper )
UNLESS you can root without tripping the know counter. its unreversalble
carry on

First phone I've owned that I dont see myself rooting. I really like the Samsung Pay.

Yea I'm coming from the S6 and couldn't use it but enjoying Samsung Pay now

You don't have to worry about that. All US versions are locked down. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3327399

After 8 generations of HTC phones, I decided to try Samsung this year as M10 rumors were they were ditching Boomsound my favorite feature of the M phones. I felt edge was far superior this year at least based on the rumors which getting this close to launch are usually spot on. I was well aware that I was going to have to decide to trip knox or not if I wanted root. While there is more customization and control with Android 6 it still doesn't compare to having everything wide open, especially if you are use to S-OFF.
Is the trade off worth it? Well I think so at least right now, this device is superior to pretty much anything out at the moment. I'm already missing Xposed, Titanium Backup & AdAway. The lock down on these devices is just getting so bad, while I understand they shouldn't come rooted out of the box but give us a choice. We may not even have the option of tripping Knox at this point. Part of the reason I stayed with Sprint for so long is they were more friendly with unlocking phones then big red but everything seems to be going the wrong direction.
Even if root is granted, it will just be patched and it's only going to get more secure and difficult each generation. I guess we just might have to start accepting that this is just how it is. Kinda sad, I'm just so use to having it even back in the Windows Mobile days I was running custom roms.

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You don't have to worry about that. All US versions are locked down. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3327399
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No they are already rooted with custom kernels and roms deodexed and odexed

These boys dont.play

Yess of course

I'm fine removing Samsung Pay if I get the benefits of rooting.

Robalboa said:
Works on our phones http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3335727
ROM stock firmware Samsung Galaxy S7 EDGE SM-G935P ROOT TWRP Drivers
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I thought the bootloader was locked on all the carriers this year?

Someone give it a shot and let us know ?

Sim-X said:
I thought the bootloader was locked on all the carriers this year?
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It still has the unlock bootloader button in developer options just like the S6 had

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It still has the unlock bootloader button in developer options just like the S6 had
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Interesting, I'm not gonna go first I still haven't decided if I wanna trip knox or not if the bootloader is in fact able to be unlocked.

Robalboa said:
Works on our phones http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3335727
ROM stock firmware Samsung Galaxy S7 EDGE SM-G935P ROOT TWRP Drivers
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This link only shows 935F -- not 935P. Am I missing something?

nastypup said:
This link only shows 935F -- not 935P. Am I missing something?
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as stated above there a option to
unlock the bootloader in Dev options. im not sure all the details because i see no benefit to root right now but
they do have the phone rooted and they are modding kernels and system as wee speak. also custom recovery.
TWRP will inject root upon install and start up to reboot.
This is just a warning about root to anyone so they know the Deal with Samsung pay and MST
I do see it says 900f but theres numerous reports of it working on the 900P
you know these guys are flashaholics lol

Robalboa said:
as stated above there a option to
unlock the bootloader in Dev options. im not sure all the details because i see no benefit to root right now but
they do have the phone rooted and they are modding kernels and system as wee speak. also custom recovery.
TWRP will inject root upon install and start up to reboot.
This is just a warning about root to anyone so they know the Deal with Samsung pay and MST
I do see it says 900f but theres numerous reports of it working on the 900P
you know these guys are flashaholics lol
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Thanks for the tip! I'm a huge fan of custom roms and the prospect of xposed so I'm very much looking forward to rooting. I'll wait a little though for a more concrete path and at least a rom to flash.

Robalboa said:
as stated above there a option to
unlock the bootloader in Dev options. im not sure all the details because i see no benefit to root right now but
they do have the phone rooted and they are modding kernels and system as wee speak. also custom recovery.
TWRP will inject root upon install and start up to reboot.
This is just a warning about root to anyone so they know the Deal with Samsung pay and MST
I do see it says 900f but theres numerous reports of it working on the 900P
you know these guys are flashaholics lol
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I've never used Samsung Pay but I need a rooted phone to restore a ton of data. Stock ROM is adequate for me. I played with custom ROMs years ago and they were just a time suck. I was flashing them almost daily. The stock ROM is good as long as its rooted.

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I've never used Samsung Pay but I need a rooted phone to restore a ton of data. Stock ROM is adequate for me. I played with custom ROMs years ago and they were just a time suck. I was flashing them almost daily. The stock ROM is good as long as its rooted.
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Samsung pay is the only way to use MST or use ur phone for old card swipers. But thats your call

Samsung pay is useless to me. And as far as I can tell that's the only benefit to not rooting. I've read there are other benefits but that's the only one I've seen posted, Other than warranty.
To me; rooting is more beneficial. Removing advertising is the biggest. Then a basic debloated rom is second. Adding apps that are not usable on non-rooted phone would be my third reason.

nickmus said:
Samsung pay is useless to me. And as far as I can tell that's the only benefit to not rooting. I've read there are other benefits but that's the only one I've seen posted, Other than warranty.
To me; rooting is more beneficial. Removing advertising is the biggest. Then a basic debloated rom is second. Adding apps that are not usable on non-rooted phone would be my third reason.
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I'm kinda feeling the same way. Can't use Samsung Pay as a total replacement anyway and I just looked they don't even support Capital One cards at least yet anyway. That was one thing google did right back in the day with wallet, you could link any card. Still looks cool but ad block is one of the main reasons I root as well. I'm giving AdGaurd a shot (I use that on my desktop) and you can side load it to Android it creates a local VPN connection to the app to filter all traffic. Kinda annoying you always have a notification saying it's running also doesn't block youtube ads which Xposed worked awesome for that. I miss TI as well. Warranty void I feel so so about. S-OFF you could at least remove a tampered flag on an HTC although HTC would still have record of you doing a dev unlock token even if reset everything.

Rooting for a purpose, then unrooting

So, I've been at this Android thing for a very long time, and had unofficially retired from the XDA world when I bought a GS7 because I never thought rooting would even be possible. Well, now that I've rooted the phone and experimented with a custom ROM, I've come up with a question I don't know that I've ever had or read before.
I'm struggling with whether or not to stay in the rooted universe because I had come to take advantage of Samsung Pay quite often, and I didn't realize the battery difference would be what it is.
I want my phone rooted for two primary reasons, 1) to hack the provisioning so that I can use the native hotspot feature without needing a special app like FoxFi, and 2) to be able to remove all the crapware these phones come with.
So.. Theoretically here..... Shouldn't it be possible to root my phone, remove the crap, hack the provisioning, and then unroot the phone, revert back to the stock kernel, get my battery life back, and use Samsung Pay again? I never did load Samsung Pay on this phone since I've rooted it.
I saw psouza's unrooting guide but if I recall it was a destructive process..... I'd like to see if there's a way to root, set things up, then unroot and restore the phone to a state that maintains the hotspot hack and makes Samsung Pay happy.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/verizon-galaxy-s7/help/magisk-t3462583/post68962510
I had the same question. Apparently if you alter the system the stock boot image/kernal will not boot.
You will get a verity error.

bart77 said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/verizon-galaxy-s7/help/magisk-t3462583/post68962510
I had the same question. Apparently if you alter the system the stock boot image/kernal will not boot.
You will get a verity error.
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well poo....I wonder....since the S7 is still relatively new to hacking....I wonder if someone can figure out a workaround that would allow for tampering first, and a successful unrooting afterward. Or maybe this is a Android-wide problem...I've never really thought about this particular approach before....I've always just been always rooted, or never rooted.
I also have this hope that someone will figure out how to spoof whatever is necessary in order for Samsung Pay to still work.
I am using stang5.0liter's ROM and the only slight issue is the battery.......phone runs smoothly for me.....if Samsung Pay worked on this ROM I wouldn't even care about my initial question here.

spearoid said:
well poo....I wonder....since the S7 is still relatively new to hacking....I wonder if someone can figure out a workaround that would allow for tampering first, and a successful unrooting afterward. Or maybe this is a Android-wide problem...I've never really thought about this particular approach before....I've always just been always rooted, or never rooted.
I also have this hope that someone will figure out how to spoof whatever is necessary in order for Samsung Pay to still work.
I am using stang5.0liter's ROM and the only slight issue is the battery.......phone runs smoothly for me.....if Samsung Pay worked on this ROM I wouldn't even care about my initial question here.
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It will not work. The original kernel for the device checks system verity. This is a part of locked boot loaders and android M+. If one bit of information is changed the original kernel will not boot. The reason we can root with the engineer kernel is it does not do this. Due to being in a "custom" status and non original kernel Samsung pay will not work nor will it ever work with this root method.

You have ruined my life with this response

So, why is the performance so bad on the engineering kernal?

spearoid said:
You have ruined my life with this response
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Just the messenger lol. But honestly I can live without root. If I desperately needed root I wouldn't have bought a Samsung device as they are not the best for it. If you NEED root next time look more towards Nexus Phones, now Pixel and WAY over priced imo. Or research which phones have good root with an unlockable BL. For that I would stray from VZW branded devices and buy an unlocked version from the manufacturer that is compatible with VZW
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So, why is the performance so bad on the engineering kernal?
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It was used for internal testing for Samsung. This was an early version of the first kernel they had for the S7, I believe and correct me if I am wrong anyone. It was fine tuned and then released but the engineering kernel was left in the dust.

Illogi.xbone said:
Just the messenger lol. But honestly I can live without root. If I desperately needed root I wouldn't have bought a Samsung device as they are not the best for it. If you NEED root next time look more towards Nexus Phones, now Pixel and WAY over priced imo. Or research which phones have good root with an unlockable BL. For that I would stray from VZW branded devices and buy an unlocked version from the manufacturer that is compatible with VZW
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I don't need to have root. I bought this phone fully expecting to never be able to root it again. After several months of non root usage, it was very nice to enjoy some of the luxuries of a rooted phone again. I'm still torn as to which direction to go. I use the hotspot feature daily, and it works much better now than in the unrooted world for me at least.
I just wanted to see if there was any hope for having the best of both worlds.

spearoid said:
I don't need to have root. I bought this phone fully expecting to never be able to root it again. After several months of non root usage, it was very nice to enjoy some of the luxuries of a rooted phone again. I'm still torn as to which direction to go. I use the hotspot feature daily, and it works much better now than in the unrooted world for me at least.
I just wanted to see if there was any hope for having the best of both worlds.
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I was too until the pokemon update lol then I decided no root.