If you haven't heard all ready Verizon is tracking down root users and limiting there data or fully suspending it so watch out. But we have to fight back against them by hiding Verizon from seeing that we are proudly rooted and some people have said the would sue Verizon. Please do whatever you can to fight against this.
Also motorola and htc are going to start doing the same.
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If you haven't heard all ready Verizon is tracking down root users and limiting there data or fully suspending it so watch out. But we have to fight back against them by hiding Verizon from seeing that we are proudly rooted and some people have said the would sue Verizon. Please do whatever you can to fight against this.
Also motorola and htc are going to start doing the same.
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Wow... just... wow.... First off, they MAY be tracking phones. Second, there is NO proof they are limiting anyones data or suspending service. I only posted that because it's something that MAY be happening, and people should be aware. It wasn't meant for fear mongering.
If you would have read the whole article, you would have seen that this is an INDUSTRY WIDE thing. Not just Verizon.
There is no need for ANYONE to freak out right now.
IF its true, and they are tracking people who have loaded GB on their phones, there isn't a damn thing you can do about it now, so just sit back and enjoy your damned GB Droids.
I am about 80% positive they are tracking after I googled for 5 hours.
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I am about 80% positive they are tracking after I googled for 5 hours.
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It's very possible, and I wouldn't blame them too much. They should have a way to detect fraudulent warranty claims.
And for those of you who think rooting your phone and loading custom ROMs shouldn't void the warranty, your wrong. The carriers and OEMs put software on the phones they KNOW work. They DON'T know if the custom ROM you are using will work correctly.
I have no problem with rooting at your own risk (ie: Voiding warranty)....that's quite frankly, the way it should be, because if I'm overclocking my device I understand I'm increasing the chances of damaging the internal hardware in my phone. Nevermind, all the people who brick their devices because they don't know what they're doing.
I would hope that Verizon doesn't have the balls to try and go after people who are not doing anything illegal with their rooted device though (ie: Not tethering, regardless of how you feel about it). It's already been established that it's legal to root your device. Myself, while I've downloaded the tethering app, I've never used it for more then 30 seconds to try it out and see if it worked. I only downloaded it for emergency purposes, and I've yet to have said emergency.
Why would the carriers even care if we're rooted and using custom ROMs as long as we're not doing anything bad, like the aforementioned tethering? We paid for our phones and we pay our bills, so we should have the right to do as we please as long as we're not infringing on others.
As for me, I will stay rooted and if a class action suit is filed, will happily join in.
My question is' if we installed the non rooted version of gb, are they tracking that too?
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My question is' if we installed the non rooted version of gb, are they tracking that too?
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They have been tracking root users long before the GB leak. From what I've read, they have been looking at who doesn't take updates. I don't know exactly if they put any snooping file in the GB leak or not.
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Guys I really don't think they will be doing this. I understand that root should be a void in warranty, and totally agree with that, but if they shut off our services for having root, than a lawsuit should be made. They have no right to shut them down. Doesn't that breach that law made like a year ago about jailbreaking/rooting?
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Guys I really don't think they will be doing this. I understand that root should be a void in warranty, and totally agree with that, but if they shut off our services for having root, than a lawsuit should be made. They have no right to shut them down. Doesn't that breach that law made like a year ago about jailbreaking/rooting?
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Well, you could argue that rooting your device is legal, but carriers don't have to let them on their networks.
Anyways, I highly doubt any carrier will be cutting anyones service.
I think what they might do is this:
They will send a notice to everyone that they are tracking root users, their meids will be flagged to ensure no warranty claims can be filed by them, and that if caught tethering without paying, they will be charged a fee.
That would be a logical way to go about it.
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Well, you could argue that rooting your device is legal, but carriers don't have to let them on their networks.
Anyways, I highly doubt any carrier will be cutting anyones service.
I think what they might do is this:
They will send a notice to everyone that they are tracking root users, their meids will be flagged to ensure no warranty claims can be filed by them, and that if caught tethering without paying, they will be charged a fee.
That would be a logical way to go about it.
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Exactly what I was thinking. That might be a no go with root for me. I need my warranty. Tethering is honestly not a huge deal to me, but if my warranty is gone I don't know what I'd do. I'm sure if one carrier does this, they all will start rewriting their policies.
This thread seems a bit incendiary.
I'm not sure what lawsuit people intend to file against Verizon. It isn't clear that tracking rooted users violates those users' rights in any way.
As for denying warranty service, I have rooted every Android phone that I've had, and I have no problem if Verizon denies me warranty service on any phone that I have rooted (so long as the problems could logically be related to rooting). I also modified my car when it was under warranty, and if the dealership denied me service on the exhaust, that would have been fine (although they couldn't deny me service on, for example, the suspension).
If I brick my phone, then that is my fault - Verizon shouldn't have to give me a new one.
I have no doubt that they are tracking/logging rooted users. Maybe this is why GB got leaked in the first place? This is all a result of the community.
The ones that tether the 20ish gb of data a month, to the "noob" that roots and messes something up and instead of reading up on how to fix, they just return it to Verizon. I broke a D2 a few months back, but instead of returning it, I bought a new one at full price because I was rooted. Its just a moral thing to me.
As long as you don't tether alot or do anything else illegal, I believe that just being rooted will not result in a termination of contract. That's just my opinion.
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This is what I found out. They are tracking use to try and detect those who are tethering. AT&T is also doing this now to try and find out who is tethering w/o the appropriate packages. What they will do when they find the un-authorized tethering people is beyond me, that wasn't told to me. I was also told not to install the GB leak. This comes from a very reliable source within Verizon. I wasn't told much more than that or what they are doing with violators. I don't know what the deal is with the GB leak, I just know I will listen to my friend and not install it. Usually I am one who roots immediately and gets to town doing what they don't want us doing, but since this came from a really close friend, I will listen and take his advice.
I don't see why you shouldn't install the GB leak if you are just doing the non-rooted version. I mean what will verizon do? Block you're phone when the official OTA comes out? They can't do that.
I really don't see anything wrong with installing the GB leak, especially if you aren't tethering or anything to steal.
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This is what I found out. They are tracking use to try and detect those who are tethering. AT&T is also doing this now to try and find out who is tethering w/o the appropriate packages. What they will do when they find the un-authorized tethering people is beyond me, that wasn't told to me. I was also told not to install the GB leak. This comes from a very reliable source within Verizon. I wasn't told much more than that or what they are doing with violators. I don't know what the deal is with the GB leak, I just know I will listen to my friend and not install it. Usually I am one who roots immediately and gets to town doing what they don't want us doing, but since this came from a really close friend, I will listen and take his advice.
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So much paranoia! I always like the "friend at Verizon" story with vague warnings of punishment from Verizon should we install the forbidden leak.
You'll forgive me if I'm a bit skeptical of your story.
I got a guy that has a friend that's related to the uncle of this chick that went to the same high school as this one dude that this other guy knew that said.....wait what were we talking about?
I think a lot of people are blowing this out of proportion. Most the people at Verizon haven't the slightest clue about what the head honchos are trying to do. They pass a lot of BS to their employees to see who leaks out information. Verizon tries to keep secrets the best they can, I doubt anyone knows what Verizon is trying to do. That's going for VZW reps and such. I don't know exactly how the GB leak was leaked out, but personally I'm glad it was, it is such an improvement for our phones and something we really needed. If this happens it happens, I don't know what I'd do (leave VZW, unroot, stay rooted) until the time comes to be honest.
First off.. wow.. with the Big Brother is watching stuff. And 2nd who cares if they are?! I will root every phone I get until I drop dead. And if you want to know why they leaked the GingerBread Rom.. it's called Research & Development! It's the old, "if we can't beat them -secretly join forces with them".
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So basicly.. we are their FREE beta testers. So who's using who here? Lol
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I was thinking if anyone knew about htcs and t-mobiles view on rooting
Well, if they wanted you to do it, than they wouldn't be patching off the root access or the app. So I would reasonible believe they don't want you to. Another thing is they do not warranty work on rooted devices
What do you mean they do not warranty work on rooted devices
Meaning a rooted device loses its warranty if its sent in rooted, if its been flashed back then it still has its warranty...
I doubt Google and HTC care if we root our devices, they don't loose out, and they sell rooted phones any way (ADP1 and I think the ION is rooted too). I guess the only reason google would care is app piracy...
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If you root your phone, kiss good bye to your warranty. It really doesn't matter though, if it's a hardware issue you can unroot and they'll never know, and if it's bricked you can say it was update that bricked it.
Has anyone in the uk replace their phone successfully
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Has anyone in the uk replace their phone successfully
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What do you mean?
I mean has anyone in the uk replaced a bricked phone caused by the new spl without any problems
HTC aren't going to bothered with what people do, neither are Google really. It's the network operators which want to tie people to their crap and have you pay for it.
The issue is with the warranty and if you broke it, Asus, for example, aren't bothered what OS you run on their hardware, but if you flash a bad BIOS then it's your fault. ATI, nVidia, Gigabyte etc encourage overclocking but won't honour warranty if it causes damage.
Google are likely to secretly want rooted phones as more network operators mangle the OS to suit themselves in the future and push their own services over Googles.
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My guess is that T-Mobile doesn't want rooting because it allows tethering.
Tethering generally causes an increase in data usage, and an increase in bandwidth use by the phone. This can impact T-Mobile cell towers and other T-Mobile customers if too many tethered phones are sucking up bandwidth on a particular tower.
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Well, if they wanted you to do it, than they wouldn't be patching off the root access or the app.
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My recollection is that that bug was patched because it allowed any app to gain root access for itself, not just the end user. Hopefully I don't need to explain why that's a bad thing. The patch didn't specifically patch out root access for the user because root access for the user was never a design feature to begin with.
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I was thinking if anyone knew about htcs and t-mobiles view on rooting
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If you really want to know the official views of these companies, email or call them. Most of the members of xda-dev are not employed by/affiliated with either company, and as such it is impossible to tell if they're telling truth, passing along unverified rumor/hearsay, or just making bs up.
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Well, if they wanted you to do it, than they wouldn't be patching off the root access or the app. So I would reasonible believe they don't want you to. Another thing is they do not warranty work on rooted devices
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You can also look at it like they don't care if you do it but they don't want a one click solution that will allow every freakin retard out there to do it. Think about it how many stupid questions do we get from people who used the one click vs ones who did it manually.
Also having an app with that kind of access to the phone means ANY app can have that kind of access to your phone including the bad evil kind you dream of making gridlock.
The problem with rooting is this;
Some very small number of people understand the system and can be fully self-sufficient with full root access.
And then you have the others, who want root for whatever features come with it... and some of them start messing with things they don't understand and end up in a huge mess... and then send it back for warranty work because their device doesn't work right any more. This means MUCH more support from the retailer/manufacturer. The other side of this is that if you have a whole lot of people trying things like cyanogen's latest unstable mod and show it off to a whole lot of people, and it crashed like nuts, then the people who see it don't necessarily understand that it is due to running crazy experimental stuff and instead think that 'droid itself is junk.... which is incorrect.
So preventing root access means that you have a simpler, more consistent, and more reliable environment, which means a better platform reputation and lower overall support costs.
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The problem with rooting is this;
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There's another point of consideration. While I know I just wrote about the unverifiability of some posts on xda, i'm going to have to do a complete 180 and do just that. I can't confirm since I'm not a handset maker (nor do I work for one), but i'm quite confident in believing that in order to acquire Google's consent and software support to create a Google Experience phone, root access has to be restricted from the end user. Again that's all speculation.
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The problem with rooting is this;
Some very small number of people understand the system and can be fully self-sufficient with full root access.
And then you have the others, who want root for whatever features come with it... and some of them start messing with things they don't understand and end up in a huge mess... and then send it back for warranty work because their device doesn't work right any more. This means MUCH more support from the retailer/manufacturer. The other side of this is that if you have a whole lot of people trying things like cyanogen's latest unstable mod and show it off to a whole lot of people, and it crashed like nuts, then the people who see it don't necessarily understand that it is due to running crazy experimental stuff and instead think that 'droid itself is junk.... which is incorrect.
So preventing root access means that you have a simpler, more consistent, and more reliable environment, which means a better platform reputation and lower overall support costs.
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Good breakdown.
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My guess is that T-Mobile doesn't want rooting because it allows tethering.
Tethering generally causes an increase in data usage, and an increase in bandwidth use by the phone. This can impact T-Mobile cell towers and other T-Mobile customers if too many tethered phones are sucking up bandwidth on a particular tower.
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I dunno about in the US, but this would most likely be T-Mobile UK's problem.
The terms of the contracts say that you can't tether with the standard net package, you need to upgrade to the next one (extra £10 instead of £5) to be able to use your 3G/HSDPA connection on the PC.
Problem is, with phones like the G1 how would they know? If it was something like an old Sony Ericsson W810 they would know straight away due to the amount you were downloading but on a G1 you can view full webpages anyway, download images etc and programs via the market. So really they have no way of knowing if you're tethering of not. Hence they want to try and stop tethering from being an option.
Fingerlicken, why would I Target a system I use, if I let out any kind of evil it would be against an Iphone.
Why does Linux have so little viruses, cause most of the hackers use linux
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Why does Linux have so little viruses, cause most of the hackers use linux
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Wha? I think you have your cause and effect mixed up. Also, this thread is getting off topic.
I saw a story on BoingBoing indicating that the G2 has a rootkit installed on it.
boingboing.net/2010/10/05/t-mobile-sneaks-root.html
I am wondering if anyone can confirm this? I haven't received my phone yet, but that would suck.
yeah, any changes you make are reversed upon reboot
It is a very loose use of the term "rootkit", but from the owner's perspective, it is technically correct.
So is that it. Game over?
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So is that it. Game over?
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I'd wait for some credible evidence first. I haven't seen any at all yet...
I'm hoping there is no real merit to this and that the XDA community finds a workaround. I have faith in the devs here. The first one to get a working, solid root will definitely get a donation from me, lol.
My question is.. if the phone always resets the firmware.. what happens when T-Mobile pushes out the next OTA?
They obviously have a work around that needs to be exploited.
you know, when Motorola was doing this ****...everyone was like "no need to worry, HTC doesn't do this kind of stuff, and they make great phones"
What now? Seems like this is the future for sure
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you know, when Motorola was doing this ****...everyone was like "no need to worry, HTC doesn't do this kind of stuff, and they make great phones"
What now? Seems like this is the future for sure
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I think in cases like these, their hands are probably tied. It's hard to say who to put the blame on. The carrier could've requested the block or they would've rejected HTC. Either way, it leaves a bad taste in my mouth. The end user pays a monthly bill and has purchased the phone. Why are they now disallowed to alter their investment? I don't see how the carrier or HTC loses. Preventing us from tinkering will just make us grow to hate the carrier, the phone manufacturer or both.
Where are we supposed to go when Android gets completely locked down? That doesn't sound like open source to me and open source is what drove me to Android in the first place.
I'm sure the big difference with the OTA is the fact that it's:
1) a newer version
2) signed
Failing to meet these requirements probably prevents writing to the "permanent" memory.
Well this is quite irritating. Has this sort of thing been implemented on other devices? And if so, has XDA been able to root it?
I guess what im trying to ask is, if this is true, does that mean the G2 can not be rooted? Need to know because im purchasing one soon and if its impossible to root and get roms on, It would be a deal breaker for me.
Well, it can't really be impossible, but if it requires hardware mods or for the signature to be cracked...it may never happen.
Honestly, I'm happy enough with the phone that I wouldn't be upset it if it was never rooted, but of course I'd prefer that it was. I'm just keeping my fingers crossed that one of the expert rooters can get the job done.
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Well this is quite irritating. Has this sort of thing been implemented on other devices? And if so, has XDA been able to root it?
I guess what im trying to ask is, if this is true, does that mean the G2 can not be rooted? Need to know because im purchasing one soon and if its impossible to root and get roms on, It would be a deal breaker for me.
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Anything that can be engineered, can ultimately be reverse engineered. I'm sure once devs like Cyanogen and others get a G2 in hand, they'll have some sort of solution or at least a better explanation than what this website gives. One can only hope. If it turns out to be hardware-driven, that scares me a bit.
Wow, what a boneheaded move by Tmo considering that so many people considered the G2 to be the successor to the N1 as a dev phone.
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I'm sure the big difference with the OTA is the fact that it's:
1) a newer version
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Failing to meet these requirements probably prevents writing to the "permanent" memory.
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That shouldn't matter then.. remember the CLIQ and DROID were rooted by adding SU to a signed OTA w/o changing the signature bits in the compressed OTA.
iT cant be impossible cause then we would never be able to get updates so like everyone is saying im sure some Pro Moders / Hackers will find a way. Will it be as simple as other roots? Prly not but im sure at some point we will have it. I to am happy with the phone as is and rly the only thing that we are lacking (correct me if im wrong) is the built in teathering and becoming a WiFi hotspot. I can live without those things but some people might need them. At any rate my fingers are crossed =)
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Wow, what a boneheaded move by Tmo considering that so many people considered the G2 to be the successor to the N1 as a dev phone.
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The G2 is not a dev phone and they dont have dev phones of the G2 available for purchase..not sure what your inferring? The G1 had dev phones as did the N1.. nothing on the G2 though as of yet.
Well, if this is the case, then the phone goes back today. *sigh* I really like Android 2.2 over 1.6.
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The G2 is not a dev phone and they dont have dev phones of the G2 available for purchase..not sure what your inferring? The G1 had dev phones as did the N1.. nothing on the G2 though as of yet.
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He wasn't referring to an actual "dev" G2 phone...he meant the G2 was perceived as the next big "open" phone for devs to have just how the N1 was widely accepted/perceived as a phone for devs (being able to root, load custom ROMS, etc. freely) (ie. moto's execs telling disgruntled X owners that if they wish to have custom roms and such they should buy a google n1).
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... I wouldn't be upset it if it was never rooted, but of course I'd prefer that it was. ...
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The problem with this position is if you have a need that T-Mobile refuses to meet, then you cannot override them.
But as others have pointed out, it can be reversed engineered. Physical access to the hardware essentially makes it vunderable to whatever security counter-measures you wish to invest in.
Hello!
Just got my Epic 4G a few days ago and I'm already itching to root it, but I'm paranoid about the warranty. Sprint rep told me that they were anal about it and it would void it.
I used to have a Nexus One with T-Mobile and I was flashing new ROMs and kernels almost every day. I've always been a 'nerd' so I know what it all means and how to do it... but there's that lingering warranty in my mind. I was worried about it at first on my Nexus One, but eventually rooted and unlocked the bootloader even though I knew it meant the warranty went byebye.
Can someone offer me some piece of mind? Are these things easy to un-root? Is there any way that a Sprint tech could find out if it was ever rooted should I ever need to take advantage of the warranty?
I'll be honest with you, I'm not sure if it's worth it. I am not going to flash custom ROMs (yes, I miss FroYo, but I'm content)... the only reason I'm interested in rooting is for things like AdFree, Juice Defender, and removing stock apps.
Thoughts?
99% of Sprint reps not only could never tell your phones been rooted without seeing a different boot screen, but don't even know what root is.
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Hello!
Just got my Epic 4G a few days ago and I'm already itching to root it, but I'm paranoid about the warranty. Sprint rep told me that they were anal about it and it would void it.
I used to have a Nexus One with T-Mobile and I was flashing new ROMs and kernels almost every day. I've always been a 'nerd' so I know what it all means and how to do it... but there's that lingering warranty in my mind. I was worried about it at first on my Nexus One, but eventually rooted and unlocked the bootloader even though I knew it meant the warranty went byebye.
Can someone offer me some piece of mind? Are these things easy to un-root? Is there any way that a Sprint tech could find out if it was ever rooted should I ever need to take advantage of the warranty?
I'll be honest with you, I'm not sure if it's worth it. I am not going to flash custom ROMs (yes, I miss FroYo, but I'm content)... the only reason I'm interested in rooting is for things like AdFree, Juice Defender, and removing stock apps.
Thoughts?
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Nothing to worry about... If you have to take your phone back to the store just Odin back to stock and problem solve. Everything is on the Wiki.
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99% of Sprint reps not only could never tell your phones been rooted without seeing a different boot screen, but don't even know what root is.
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exactly! I took my epic in back in November to complain about battery management issue I was having and to swap out for a new one. I told the rep what a bummer it was that I had to re-install all my apps and he said
"naw man, you can just save everything on your sd card no problem. that's what its there for!"
to which I replied, "only on froyo, and only if you install the leaked dk28 build"
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Yeah they don't even know.if a phone is rooted or not. Besides just like people aid previously just use Odin and it.flashes it.back to stock. Its a lifesaver sometimes.
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Some older phones used to have flash counters, and I don't know if the epic has one. Typically they are buried deep in inaccessible areas and I doubt that any sprint store would have the wherewithal to get at it. I'm sure that Samsung could probably tell, but when Sprint sends them back they just throw them in a big box. The point of accountability is at the store where you exchange for another one. So either odin back to stock or short out the hardware and sprint will be none the wiser.
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Some older phones used to have flash counters, and I don't know if the epic has one. Typically they are buried deep in inaccessible areas and I doubt that any sprint store would have the wherewithal to get at it. I'm sure that Samsung could probably tell, but when Sprint sends them back they just throw them in a big box. The point of accountability is at the store where you exchange for another one. So either odin back to stock or short out the hardware and sprint will be none the wiser.
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Yeah, there is actually a code that you can bring up to see if the phone is a refurb'd or not. I did that on mine and it was definately new.
Thanks for all the replies.
Rooted today using this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=808103
No problems.
Now if only there was a Gingerbread ROM...
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Now if only there was a Gingerbread ROM...
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Don't even start
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Yeah, there is actually a code that you can bring up to see if the phone is a refurb'd or not. I did that on mine and it was definately new.
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I did too and with the code check it shows new but hey do you believe that I don't cuz if we can make the phone looks unrooted with Odin they can make their own phone to appear as brand new.
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Just got out of the verizon store today and a rep had told me that "verizon is planning on tracking people useing custom roms and deny 3g services to these people" can some one verify this statement???
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Its probably nerd rage... hes mad hes working in a Verizon store and is just trying to scare you =D
There was a thread on this subject before, unfortunately it's been merged into the giant 'Network-related' thread.
The long and short of it is that they're supposedly introducing methods of tracking rooted/jailbroken handsets because people are abusing tethering.
But if you want to read what was said, it starts here.
You'll just have to try and follow the discussion as best you can given it's mixed in with posts from other threads.
cool i'll check it out.
Supreme court ruling was very clear on this. They (the carriers) cannot act against anyone with a custom rom... because the ruling clearly stated that you bought the phone therefore it is yours to do what you want.
The Tethering is a different issue all together, that is easy to track, just by usage.
But the long and the short of it is the carriers have no authority over the phone you purchased as long as you are not abusing the data agreement
well as it seems they used a poor method on finding out who has a custom rom or not. accepting and not accepting an ota update is stupid because there could be and probably are a bunch of people that don't care about updates (i know a fair amount of them) that don't install these. i just read what p3droid had posted upon the topic. it is very disturbing. considering some people (crazy and pointless as it is) use their phones for torrent and (as useful as it may be) VPN services such as tech support for companies and so on. so the use of data whether tethered or not is no different. personally i use my phone for tech support from time to time with the use of vpn services and remote desktop. it is if you look at it insane! it's like having your isp telling you what websites you can and cannot go to.
ok now that i have all that out of my head and on forum, even if it is alittle random. thoughts on this topic more specifically?!
me thinks that Verizon is trolling you, and like stated before me, just a nerd rage
I can live without tethering. Non rooted phone...not so much.
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me thinks that Verizon is trolling you, and like stated before me, just a nerd rage
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This was an email I got from my networking team. Just wanted to inform and at the same time get a few informed view.
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well as it seems they used a poor method on finding out who has a custom rom or not. accepting and not accepting an ota update is stupid because there could be and probably are a bunch of people that don't care about updates (i know a fair amount of them) that don't install these. i just read what p3droid had posted upon the topic. it is very disturbing. considering some people (crazy and pointless as it is) use their phones for torrent and (as useful as it may be) VPN services such as tech support for companies and so on. so the use of data whether tethered or not is no different. personally i use my phone for tech support from time to time with the use of vpn services and remote desktop. it is if you look at it insane! it's like having your isp telling you what websites you can and cannot go to.
ok now that i have all that out of my head and on forum, even if it is alittle random. thoughts on this topic more specifically?!
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Yours is probably the first logical argument i read regarding the tethering debate. The first one to actualy make me understand the reasoning. Ok, I'll bite into that one, if we are truly, undoubtedly talking about un unlimited plan, i understand why limitations must be aplied, but what about when talking about caped plans, how is that logic not abusive from the carrier's side, as it logically seems to be abusive on the consumers side when talking about truly unlimited data... could it be about those grandfathered unlimited plans? Even so, if one looks at this issue objectively, it still is the carriers fault. What would you a expect, as a carrier that applies hidden or bogus charges, from the consummation? There's no right or wrong here, from neither sides, as i see it, based on your logic. This is the balancing i was talking about. But instead, we get a rushing of decisions, that apparently seem to be in everyone's interest, nationwide, but, actually, in depth, it turns out to "hurt" consumers that don't realy deserve that kind of, for lack of a better word, ruling...
i hope this will never happend in Europe
alex11233 said:
i hope this will never happend in Europe
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last time i checked, ~4 years ago, europe had the proper regulations to avoid such mess....
triggerftu said:
Just got out of the verizon store today and a rep had told me that "verizon is planning on tracking people useing custom roms and deny 3g services to these people" can some one verify this statement???
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Here is someone who got pissed because they work behind a counter where switching ROM flavors all day isn't allowed. He is jealous and you're one happy free android user.
Next time you see him, tell him OnStar is now tracking cheating husbands. Lol
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Never gonna happen. The guy is probably not intelligent enough to figure out what Verizon really wants. Probably too lazy to take care of customers accordingly.
http://www.technewsworld.com/story/...on-but-ATT-Merger-May-Chill-Demand-72254.html
triggerftu said:
well as it seems they used a poor method on finding out who has a custom rom or not. accepting and not accepting an ota update is stupid because there could be and probably are a bunch of people that don't care about updates (i know a fair amount of them) that don't install these. i just read what p3droid had posted upon the topic. it is very disturbing. considering some people (crazy and pointless as it is) use their phones for torrent and (as useful as it may be) VPN services such as tech support for companies and so on. so the use of data whether tethered or not is no different. personally i use my phone for tech support from time to time with the use of vpn services and remote desktop. it is if you look at it insane! it's like having your isp telling you what websites you can and cannot go to.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe some Countries and actually some Counties around the US do this. I've read some guys on here complaining about their internet being data capped and controlled on which websites they can access. This is true also in some Counties around the US. I recall a few Counties around me here in New York that dont allow the selling of hard porn.
And if I'm also not mistaken (and I certainly could be, because I've never tried this), if you try to sign up for a porn site, if you live in one of those zip codes, and you put in your info (ie. zip code), it detects your zip code and doesnt let you register.
just some food for thought.
now commence the rants hahaha
1984 all over again.
Blundered from my Dunderbolt
Adrozz07 said:
1984 all over again.
Blundered from my Dunderbolt
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but this time we're going about it with A BANG! ^_^
caffeinated chris said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe some Countries and actually some Counties around the US do this. I've read some guys on here complaining about their internet being data capped and controlled on which websites they can access. This is true also in some Counties around the US. I recall a few Counties around me here in New York that dont allow the selling of hard porn.
And if I'm also not mistaken (and I certainly could be, because I've never tried this), if you try to sign up for a porn site, if you live in one of those zip codes, and you put in your info (ie. zip code), it detects your zip code and doesnt let you register.
just some food for thought.
now commence the rants hahaha
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next step in this discussion?... well, might as well!
who wants to start the honors?
Honestly, I dont care if they ban or limit us rooted users (not that it will happen or maybe, one thing are manufactores and one thing are carriers) but what I dislike about LTE is that it gives carriers the ability to monitor what we surf, download and even down to the quality of videos and pictures we see. They can filter pages too. LTE Was not made with consumers in mind but carriers. FCC rule out that ISP WIRED CANNOT do this but have given WISP a go on this. or at least they havent rule any regulations. MetroPC does this already.
I keep reading post after post about how pissed off someone is that they don't have SD support, and now that they have it with the 3.2 update, they are pissed that they have to hook it up to their computer to write to it.
My question to them is this:
If you can root your Xoom, put a custom kernel on it and have full access to your sd card, then take it back to stock if you need to send it back to Motorola, why don't you stop being a baby and just do it?
I mean, you care enough to complain on this forum so that we all have to read about how upset you are, but you are unwilling to follow the simple steps spelled out here to fix it?
Today I had an epiphany . I figured it out. It's not that they feel that they shouldn't have to; they just don't want to admit the true reason. These people are afraid to root their Xoom. If they weren't afraid, then they would be rooted already and moving on with their lives, instead of complaining on this forum and getting all upset about it.
I mean, it's 100% fixable. There is no other logical explanation.
How about people that want to get movies from the Android Market but you can't if you are rooted. That's not fear, that's not wanting to loose features. That's just one example, I am sure there are plenty of others. So maybe you shouldn't be a self-righteous pr*k and realize there may be reasons beyond your comprehension.
I have mine setup the way I want it, and AFAIK there is no way of rooting without wiping during the unlock process. So until then, I will have to live without the ability to change the main font. Which is a shame, but meh.
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I have mine setup the way I want it, and AFAIK there is no way of rooting without wiping during the unlock process. So until then, I will have to live without the ability to change the main font. Which is a shame, but meh.
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True, that's unappealing...just when it's perfect you have to wipe and then you have to set it up again. I used to worry more about that but now that I've had to set-up again about 5 or 6 times I've become a master at doing it quickly and better than before. I totally love having root...wouldn't do it any other way.
I dare say people don't root because they are happy as they are, while those of us who enjoy using all of our devices are dumbstruck by people not doing so.
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I dare say people don't root because they are happy as they are, while those of us who enjoy using all of our devices are dumbstruck by people not doing so.
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I just don't see too much of a need until we get some source code and custom roms.
Charlie_Don't_Surf said:
I just don't see too much of a need until we get some source code and custom roms.
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undervolting each freq by 125mV is way to good to pass up
no way would I ever use stock
It's just not the right time. I wait until a "real" custom rom comes out.
What for? I can use my SD card if I need to. Which I don't. Got 3.2 a couple of days ago. If I want to play with roms and overclocking I have my phone rooted. But for now I don't need it.
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Really?
crisisinthecity said:
I keep reading post after post about how pissed off someone is that they don't have SD support, and now that they have it with the 3.2 update, they are pissed that they have to hook it up to their computer to write to it.
My question to them is this:
If you can root your Xoom, put a custom kernel on it and have full access to your sd card, then take it back to stock if you need to send it back to Motorola, why don't you stop being a baby and just do it?
I mean, you care enough to complain on this forum so that we all have to read about how upset you are, but you are unwilling to follow the simple steps spelled out here to fix it?
Today I had an epiphany . I figured it out. It's not that they feel that they shouldn't have to; they just don't want to admit the true reason. These people are afraid to root their Xoom. If they weren't afraid, then they would be rooted already and moving on with their lives, instead of complaining on this forum and getting all upset about it.
I mean, it's 100% fixable. There is no other logical explanation.
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For all the positive posts on this forum, and how helpful the "experts" are for us neophytes, this post is a huge fail. I'm not sure I could state the value of why it is even here........
Am I pissed I paid $500 for a computer that doesn't do what it claims? Yes. Am I pissed the salesperson sold me a bill of goods? Yes. Am I pissed I didn't have the chance to understand what I was reading about the unit and bought it anyhow? Yes.
Am I afraid to brick my device? Yes. Am I worrying when I read a full page of "if you do this" on the screen, while rooting, I lose my warranty and evil will come to my door? Yes. Am I afraid, while knowing the instructions provided on this forum are pretty darn good, that I might miss something and cause the end of life as we know it on this planet? [ or, at least having to explain to my wife why our $500 paperweight needs dusted off ]. Yes.
So, I'm in. I've used what I've learned here and taken the risk, however small you may think it is. But I'm 50, not 20. I'm considered a "nerd" in my circle of friends, but I can't carry the water for most of you guys. So, yes, I'm a bit worried about killing it. So what?
And unless you're better than I think you are (and I have no doubt you're pretty darn good - seriously), in computers there is no such thing as 100%.
KerryG said:
How about people that want to get movies from the Android Market but you can't if you are rooted. That's not fear, that's not wanting to loose features. That's just one example, I am sure there are plenty of others. So maybe you shouldn't be a self-righteous pr*k and realize there may be reasons beyond your comprehension.
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Good point. Any more reasons?
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For all the positive posts on this forum, and how helpful the "experts" are for us neophytes, this post is a huge fail. I'm not sure I could state the value of why it is even here........
Am I pissed I paid $500 for a computer that doesn't do what it claims? Yes. Am I pissed the salesperson sold me a bill of goods? Yes. Am I pissed I didn't have the chance to understand what I was reading about the unit and bought it anyhow? Yes.
Am I afraid to brick my device? Yes. Am I worrying when I read a full page of "if you do this" on the screen, while rooting, I lose my warranty and evil will come to my door? Yes. Am I afraid, while knowing the instructions provided on this forum are pretty darn good, that I might miss something and cause the end of life as we know it on this planet? [ or, at least having to explain to my wife why our $500 paperweight needs dusted off ]. Yes.
So, I'm in. I've used what I've learned here and taken the risk, however small you may think it is. But I'm 50, not 20. I'm considered a "nerd" in my circle of friends, but I can't carry the water for most of you guys. So, yes, I'm a bit worried about killing it. So what?
And unless you're better than I think you are (and I have no doubt you're pretty darn good - seriously), in computers there is no such thing as 100%.
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It's here so that we can understand why people won't root their Xoom. Getting some good answers.
I Agree
I cannot imagine using any of my android devices without at least su file capabilities
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It's here so that we can understand why people won't root their Xoom. Getting some good answers.
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Your answer to my post, leads me to believe I missed the point and tone of your OP. I took quite a bit of attitude, perhaps mistakenly. If so, accept my apologies please.
Give me one good reason I should.
While rooting would give me some slight benefit, the juice is simply not worth the squeeze. I am happy with what Ive got and have seen no compelling reason why I should go through the trouble since SD support isnt even an incentive anymore and it was the only thing I was lacking.
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Give me one good reason I should.
While rooting would give me some slight benefit, the juice is simply not worth the squeeze. I am happy with what Ive got and have seen no compelling reason why I should go through the trouble since SD support isnt even an incentive anymore and it was the only thing I was lacking.
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This is great because it says that people love the Xoom right out of the box, or fresh from the stock update.
As I said, having experienced both, I will choose the ability to truly customize to my hearts content. But for those who are happy with plain vanilla, enjoy!
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+1 I have no reason to root.
the speed, battery life, etc. etc. are all fine for what I use it for - nothing heavy - just a replacement for browsing the web and a few games like angry birds
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there's no real custom roms out that give you any benefit to flashing a new rom, and I am on 3.2 - not even put an sdcard in the xoom yet.
all movies/tv shows are streamed direct to TV or to Xoom via Plex, so i dont need extra space to store movies,
I only have the wifi version so i dont need space for travelling around with 3g.
the only time I may need more space and thus an sdcard would be if i go on holiday and want to take a few films on the sd - but even in a readonly state i can do that by loading films onto an sd and sticking it in now...
my only grief was that motorola were taking an aeon to push out any updates to the UK image I had on - but flashing the US fixed that and I decided I dont need to go any further down the rooting process... I'm happy - surely that's the best way to be
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Your answer to my post, leads me to believe I missed the point and tone of your OP. I took quite a bit of attitude, perhaps mistakenly. If so, accept my apologies please.
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I was basically trying to get some conversations started as to why and why not to root the WiFi xoom so people on this forum understand where the other team is coming from. Thought this thread title and my choice of words would draw some good debate. And it would keep the debate here and not all over the forum.
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I get what people are saying here, if you're happy with what you've got then by all means you should stick to it. No-one should be telling you what to like.
However, I do support the OP. If you are NOT happy with what you've got but there is a fix for it, why not just apply the fix instead of complaining?
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I keep reading post after post about how pissed off someone is that they don't have SD support, and now that they have it with the 3.2 update, they are pissed that they have to hook it up to their computer to write to it.
My question to them is this:
If you can root your Xoom, put a custom kernel on it and have full access to your sd card, then take it back to stock if you need to send it back to Motorola, why don't you stop being a baby and just do it?
I mean, you care enough to complain on this forum so that we all have to read about how upset you are, but you are unwilling to follow the simple steps spelled out here to fix it?
Today I had an epiphany . I figured it out. It's not that they feel that they shouldn't have to; they just don't want to admit the true reason. These people are afraid to root their Xoom. If they weren't afraid, then they would be rooted already and moving on with their lives, instead of complaining on this forum and getting all upset about it.
I mean, it's 100% fixable. There is no other logical explanation.
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I for one am too new to Android to root my Xoom. I have a G2x phone. It has a one step Root method and a one step Recovery method. I'm ok with that. But looking at all the ABD steps and the instructions on how to make them work....I feel its too complicated for a limited return at this time.
If someone put together the Bible of rooting the Xoom, that does NOT begin with , " This assumes you have an understanding of xxx", then maybe I would...
I took the Xoom out of the box...I want to Root, do this, then this, then this. Include what needs to be installed, what to type, etc, etc.
If that sounds whiney...so what, you asked.