I saw a story on BoingBoing indicating that the G2 has a rootkit installed on it.
boingboing.net/2010/10/05/t-mobile-sneaks-root.html
I am wondering if anyone can confirm this? I haven't received my phone yet, but that would suck.
yeah, any changes you make are reversed upon reboot
It is a very loose use of the term "rootkit", but from the owner's perspective, it is technically correct.
So is that it. Game over?
sinistersai4d4d said:
So is that it. Game over?
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I'd wait for some credible evidence first. I haven't seen any at all yet...
I'm hoping there is no real merit to this and that the XDA community finds a workaround. I have faith in the devs here. The first one to get a working, solid root will definitely get a donation from me, lol.
My question is.. if the phone always resets the firmware.. what happens when T-Mobile pushes out the next OTA?
They obviously have a work around that needs to be exploited.
you know, when Motorola was doing this ****...everyone was like "no need to worry, HTC doesn't do this kind of stuff, and they make great phones"
What now? Seems like this is the future for sure
hydrogenman said:
you know, when Motorola was doing this ****...everyone was like "no need to worry, HTC doesn't do this kind of stuff, and they make great phones"
What now? Seems like this is the future for sure
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I think in cases like these, their hands are probably tied. It's hard to say who to put the blame on. The carrier could've requested the block or they would've rejected HTC. Either way, it leaves a bad taste in my mouth. The end user pays a monthly bill and has purchased the phone. Why are they now disallowed to alter their investment? I don't see how the carrier or HTC loses. Preventing us from tinkering will just make us grow to hate the carrier, the phone manufacturer or both.
Where are we supposed to go when Android gets completely locked down? That doesn't sound like open source to me and open source is what drove me to Android in the first place.
I'm sure the big difference with the OTA is the fact that it's:
1) a newer version
2) signed
Failing to meet these requirements probably prevents writing to the "permanent" memory.
Well this is quite irritating. Has this sort of thing been implemented on other devices? And if so, has XDA been able to root it?
I guess what im trying to ask is, if this is true, does that mean the G2 can not be rooted? Need to know because im purchasing one soon and if its impossible to root and get roms on, It would be a deal breaker for me.
Well, it can't really be impossible, but if it requires hardware mods or for the signature to be cracked...it may never happen.
Honestly, I'm happy enough with the phone that I wouldn't be upset it if it was never rooted, but of course I'd prefer that it was. I'm just keeping my fingers crossed that one of the expert rooters can get the job done.
Yellowfrizbee said:
Well this is quite irritating. Has this sort of thing been implemented on other devices? And if so, has XDA been able to root it?
I guess what im trying to ask is, if this is true, does that mean the G2 can not be rooted? Need to know because im purchasing one soon and if its impossible to root and get roms on, It would be a deal breaker for me.
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Anything that can be engineered, can ultimately be reverse engineered. I'm sure once devs like Cyanogen and others get a G2 in hand, they'll have some sort of solution or at least a better explanation than what this website gives. One can only hope. If it turns out to be hardware-driven, that scares me a bit.
Wow, what a boneheaded move by Tmo considering that so many people considered the G2 to be the successor to the N1 as a dev phone.
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I'm sure the big difference with the OTA is the fact that it's:
1) a newer version
2) signed
Failing to meet these requirements probably prevents writing to the "permanent" memory.
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That shouldn't matter then.. remember the CLIQ and DROID were rooted by adding SU to a signed OTA w/o changing the signature bits in the compressed OTA.
iT cant be impossible cause then we would never be able to get updates so like everyone is saying im sure some Pro Moders / Hackers will find a way. Will it be as simple as other roots? Prly not but im sure at some point we will have it. I to am happy with the phone as is and rly the only thing that we are lacking (correct me if im wrong) is the built in teathering and becoming a WiFi hotspot. I can live without those things but some people might need them. At any rate my fingers are crossed =)
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Wow, what a boneheaded move by Tmo considering that so many people considered the G2 to be the successor to the N1 as a dev phone.
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The G2 is not a dev phone and they dont have dev phones of the G2 available for purchase..not sure what your inferring? The G1 had dev phones as did the N1.. nothing on the G2 though as of yet.
Well, if this is the case, then the phone goes back today. *sigh* I really like Android 2.2 over 1.6.
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The G2 is not a dev phone and they dont have dev phones of the G2 available for purchase..not sure what your inferring? The G1 had dev phones as did the N1.. nothing on the G2 though as of yet.
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He wasn't referring to an actual "dev" G2 phone...he meant the G2 was perceived as the next big "open" phone for devs to have just how the N1 was widely accepted/perceived as a phone for devs (being able to root, load custom ROMS, etc. freely) (ie. moto's execs telling disgruntled X owners that if they wish to have custom roms and such they should buy a google n1).
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... I wouldn't be upset it if it was never rooted, but of course I'd prefer that it was. ...
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The problem with this position is if you have a need that T-Mobile refuses to meet, then you cannot override them.
But as others have pointed out, it can be reversed engineered. Physical access to the hardware essentially makes it vunderable to whatever security counter-measures you wish to invest in.
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Hey guys, I was wondering if the new Verizon Wireless phone (the Eris) is actually their HTC Hero.
They claim it's a seperate model (HTC Desire.) Either way I was curious what was needed to get ROMs going for it. Any help is greatly appreciated.
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Hey guys, I was wondering if the new Verizon Wireless phone (the Eris) is actually their HTC Hero.
They claim it's a seperate model (HTC Desire.) Either way I was curious what was needed to get ROMs going for it. Any help is greatly appreciated.
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I may be out of date, but I thought the Eris wasn't rooted yet (which is is a prereq for getting ROM's installed on it).
The Eris, Cellular South, and most other versions of the phone had patched the vulnerability that Sprint had left in the phone and so it's not quite as easy currently.
It hasn't been rooted yet, and there is little to no enthusiasm to get it rooted. It may be a while before we get those custom Roms.
Well that's kinda sad. Is there any particular reason? I mean I don't own one but I am just curious. Is it just that its not seen as a demand for it or something like that?
Exactly, all just a numbers game. The vzw Eris will get rooted someday though, it might even be by you
It's a combination of lack of enthusiastic developers and the fact that the asroot2 exploit that works for the Sprint Hero has been patched. So... Haha. I have one and I've been desperately looking around for a way to root. I don't think enough people are buying it to generate enough enthusiasm to get people to really want to develop
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Exactly, all just a numbers game. The vzw Eris will get rooted someday though, it might even be by you
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Yep. may also help if I owned one. I still use my trusty awesome G1 and see no real reason to change. But I was debating "fixing" the eris. However I have quite a bit to learn in order to do so. And with the upcoming software patch for it I may want to wait. But thank you for clarifing. I really do appreciate it. If others would like it or like help with it I figure I am more than willing to go at it.
Videofolife13 said:
It's a combination of lack of enthusiastic developers and the fact that the asroot2 exploit that works for the Sprint Hero has been patched. So... Haha. I have one and I've been desperately looking around for a way to root. I don't think enough people are buying it to generate enough enthusiasm to get people to really want to develop
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Yeah I could see that. As the Eris is up against the Moto Sholes I can see why not many people are. Getting one.
Actually, I've read that more people are buying the Droid Eris. They'll come in wanting the Droid and leave with the Eris.
Well it's partly a numbers game but it's partly a "starting from ground zero" timeframe thing. GSM Heros were the first out and they took a certain amount of time to become rooted...then came the CDMA Heros who needed a different way to root and it took a few weeks to get to there as well.
So...while it may or may not take longer, it will probably be around the same amount of time from release-ish before something shows up (or we get lucky with a new shiney kernel exploit to elevate priviledges...)
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So...while it may or may not take longer, it will probably be around the same amount of time from release-ish before something shows up (or we get lucky with a new shiney kernel exploit to elevate priviledges...)
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I disagree. We could be sitting for a while before anything happens. No known exploits, I don't think many people who would develop are rushing out to get one. It'll happen eventually, but it in my opinion, we'll be sitting tight for a while. Not that any of us can complain if we can't find one ourselves, haha.
What about using the Sprint Stock RUU for the Hero to load the original Sprint ROM on it and then rooting it? Subsequently, you could go back to a custom Eris ROM or something of the sort. I don't know if the Hero RUU would work on the Eris though.
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Yeah I could see that. As the Eris is up against the Moto Sholes I can see why not many people are. Getting one.
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I've been reading the Howard Forums and getting the impression that folks are more impressed with the Eris as opposed to the boxy and un-sexy Driod. I knew I was buying the Droid Eris before I called VZW. I am just GLAD to finally be rid of T-Mo after 7 years of service. While they were good for a while, their customer service started to really piss me off lately. There's also the fact that they really didn't train their PDA reps on Android before they released the phones. And the lack of 3G in most of the country was a killer! Now, if someone would like to root this bad boy. I would be most grateful.
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What about using the Sprint Stock RUU for the Hero to load the original Sprint ROM on it and then rooting it? Subsequently, you could go back to a custom Eris ROM or something of the sort. I don't know if the Hero RUU would work on the Eris though.
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Even if it did work, then you have you'd have the Sprint Rom, not the Verizon Rom. Not sure if it's a good idea or not...
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Now, if someone would like to root this bad boy. I would be most grateful.
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Haha. You and me both. If you're really interested, look around and see if you can help the cause.
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What about using the Sprint Stock RUU for the Hero to load the original Sprint ROM on it and then rooting it? Subsequently, you could go back to a custom Eris ROM or something of the sort. I don't know if the Hero RUU would work on the Eris though.
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I would try it if someone has the stock VZW ruu to flash back to in case it does not work.
Is there anyway to get the RUU? I mean, what are the logistics involved there?
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Is there anyway to get the RUU? I mean, what are the logistics involved there?
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It's up to VZW or HTC to post it, unless someone on the inside leaks a copy for us.... hint hint... anyone have a copy they want to share with us?
just wondering. I have a sprint hero. but you VZW people shouldn't wait too long, cause i think the droid has the same kernel version as the eris, so when they find an exploit in the droid, to get root you VZW people should be able to use the same exploit. now if the droid's bootloader gets hacked then yeah, you'll probably have to wait.
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It's up to VZW or HTC to post it, unless someone on the inside leaks a copy for us.... hint hint... anyone have a copy they want to share with us?
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Haha. Wishful thinking, but I'm right there with you. I can't believe they patched the asroot2 exploit.
Ive been flashing my htc phones for a long time now, but im new to android and the rooting process... Im trying to learn more and help with the Eris if possible, but I have a simple question. Is the only way to root the Eris, to get the original RUU?
I have the Eris now, and if I can do anything else I would be willing to do so!
Well, I hate to say this but I have given up waiting for root as an early leak user. I feel I have the right to post this due to 1, helping wherever I could, 2, contacting paul to even get the ball rolling after jcase mentioned him 3, offered donation for a solution etc...
I love my eris but see all the neat things I am missing out on. When the evo comes out, I will be jumping from pageplus to sprint... i am sure that will be rooted and if not... im still better off.
Thank you to all who have tried their best.. I think this is one instance where the phone beat us. I am annoyed that we do not have root as it allows us to better use our own phone.
anyway, best of luck to all...
Do not feed the troll...
seriously?? I have more posts than you and I am far from that... your comment is stupid.
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Well, I hate to say this but I have given up waiting for root as an early leak user. I feel I have the right to post this due to 1, helping wherever I could, 2, contacting paul to even get the ball rolling after jcase mentioned him 3, offered donation for a solution etc...
I love my eris but see all the neat things I am missing out on. When the evo comes out, I will be jumping from pageplus to sprint... i am sure that will be rooted and if not... im still better off.
Thank you to all who have tried their best.. I think this is one instance where the phone beat us. I am annoyed that we do not have root as it allows us to better use our own phone.
anyway, best of luck to all...
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I dont blame you homie.. If I had not managed to get a second eris after I jumped on the leakv1, I would have gone nuts watching all the badass ROMS and hacks get released and have no way to use them.
Ok everyone can quit complaining about the 2.1 update! I just checked Verizon ERis Software Upgrade page and its announced that there is an update coming soon! I know theres no date but at least it is now finally up on their site. If you dont belive me check it out your self & for those who doubted it would ever come this just shows that paicence is a virtue.
support.vzw.com/information/droid_eris_upgrade
Check out both pdf files. The Benifits of Software link states all the updates for 2.1. Enough said?
Good riddance.
Whitepaint said:
I dont blame you homie.. If I had not managed to get a second eris after I jumped on the leakv1, I would have gone nuts watching all the badass ROMS and hacks get released and have no way to use them.
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exactly...
WalkingTaco said:
Good riddance.
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suck it... what have you contributed?
Just short out the battery connection on the back of the phone with a small piece of aluminum foil, take it in to Verizon, explain how your phone just turned off and won't turn on and voila! You get a new phone the next day running stock 1.5, ready to be ROOTED!
That's what I did after installing the 2.1 leak and realized I couldn't get root. Let me tell you, my rooted Eris running Evil Eris v2.0 with the overclocked processor is far greater than my friends Moto Droid. I hope you make the right decision.
P.S. Don't be a bully.
There are always risks involved when upgrading a device, I learned that with the PSP and now other people are learning it with their Eris. Crying about it (in the wrong forum no less) is doing nothing to help.
A root will likely eventually be found, patience is the key. As soon as you just can't stand it anymore and upgrade/change device/etc you've potentially lost something forever.
One thing is for sure; I find it insulting that people feel they have a right to complain about being on leak, nobody held you down and forced you to flash anything.
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Just short out the battery connection on the back of the phone with a small piece of aluminum foil, take it in to Verizon, explain how your phone just turned off and won't turn on and voila! You get a new phone the next day running stock 1.5, ready to be ROOTED!
That's what I did after installing the 2.1 leak and realized I couldn't get root. Let me tell you, my rooted Eris running Evil Eris v2.0 with the overclocked processor is far greater than my friends Moto Droid. I hope you make the right decision.
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It's not overclocked yet, it definitely doesnt do anything at the moment. And as far as shorting it out, I took mine into verizon complaining about the speakers all cutting out glitch and they didnt even look at the phone and swapped me out a new one in 10 minutes. It's not that hard really, just find someone in the store who looks like an idiot. All the smart people are in the back anyway.
Or You can not be a cheapskate and just Buy a new one..
or should I get a MOTO Droid or incredible but I still have my Eris with
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There are always risks involved when upgrading a device, I learned that with the PSP and now other people are learning it with their Eris. Crying about it (in the wrong forum no less) is doing nothing to help.
A root will likely eventually be found, patience is the key. As soon as you just can't stand it anymore and upgrade/change device/etc you've potentially lost something forever.
One thing is for sure; I find it insulting that people feel they have a right to complain about being on leak, nobody held you down and forced you to flash anything.
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I second that ****!
Just Buy a Incredible Then Get Root Or Wait For It.
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Or You can not be a cheapskate and just Buy a new one..
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Not everyone has lots of money and buying a new eris outright is about 500 or so, used on ebay they go for over 300. speaking for myself I know I'd rather have the 3-500 to spend on bills and things then buying a new phone.
Even though I am kicking myself for not waiting a bit longer, I don't regret upgrading to any of the leaks. It gave me 2.1 months before everyone else. A little more patience never hurt anyone.
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Not everyone has lots of money and buying a new eris outright is about 500 or so, used on ebay they go for over 300. speaking for myself I know I'd rather have the 3-500 to spend on bills and things then buying a new phone.
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Seconded. But this thread is useless. If you're tired of waiting on 2.1 leak root then get a new phone, try and get a replacement or just sit there and use the phone like it was meant to be. There's nothing wrong with 2.1 v3 in my opinion. Telling everyone you're leaving because of it is just asking to be trolled/flamed. I suggest a mod closes this thread or something.
Sheen160 said:
Seconded. But this thread is useless. If you're tired of waiting on 2.1 leak root then get a new phone, try and get a replacement or just sit there and use the phone like it was meant to be. There's nothing wrong with 2.1 v3 in my opinion. Telling everyone you're leaving because of it is just asking to be trolled/flamed. I suggest a mod closes this thread or something.
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Agree, 2.1 is so much better than 1.5. Plus, if you want to play with your phone and "customize it" a little there are home replacements in the market you can try. Helixlauncher is really good, and I just found one yesterday on android forums, real nice. It's called Zeam, http://www.mediafire.com/?jtzjyoklenk
Little to no lag and dialer is lightning fast.
So while you might not be rooted, it's nobody's fault that root hasn't been found yet or that you (op) flashed the leak. I want root too, but have the patience to wait for it to be found. There are some of the best devs on here working on it, only a matter of time.
~ happy 2.1 v3 leak user
my point wasnt i was unhappy with anyone here. I love 2.1v3 and yes, its leaps above 1.5
Just annoyed at what I am missing. I do not want this topic to be considered trollish..
Hello everybidy as Froyo is just gona Release it will take ages for HTC to upgrade our Incredible and also we are missing on rooted OS.
The only solution to the date is asking HTC for Nexus One type SPL and which is perfectly as far as Legality and After Sale Service Issue is concerned as you Unlock SPL Warrenty is void.
Lets ask HTC to allot us new SPL like Nexus One which Support
Code:
fastboot oem unlock
so we then flash the .img file directly and Enjoy Incredible to the fullest
Ask HTC over
http://facebook.com/htc
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http://twitter.com/htc
http://twitter.com/VerizonWireless
let us know how you make out with that...
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let us know how you make out with that...
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Don't be cynical, anything's possible..
See my Previous Efforts of the same
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=3005712&postcount=9
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2931428&postcount=25
and Finally this one
http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=1266
They're not going to do this because it will cost them money when people brick their devices and then return or warranty them.
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They're not going to do this because it will cost them money when people brick their devices and then return or warranty them.
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Not if they include a disclaimer voiding the warranty in the case of a complete brick.
.mak said:
Not if they include a disclaimer voiding the warranty in the case of a complete brick.
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You mean like the disclaimers in every custom rom thread, where people still manage to brick their phones, and then talk about taking them back to the store for a new one?
HTC doesn't even release legally-obligated kernel sources on time half the time, if you think they're going to go an extra step beyond that you're dreaming.
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You mean like the disclaimers in every custom rom thread, where people still manage to brick their phones, and then talk about taking them back to the store for a new one?
HTC doesn't even release legally-obligated kernel sources on time half the time, if you think they're going to go an extra step beyond that you're dreaming.
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I believe they're talking about the disclaimer that you get when you unlock a nexus one. HTC will refuse to warranty most nexus ones if the bootloader is unlocked.... and thats the risk im willing to take
But you have to remember that Verizon will get say in that as well and they do not like people messing with their stuff. It's a long shot....
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Actually, I already have the cdma nexus one hboot. But it's useless to us until we can flash to start. The version is pretty far from the HTC one as well so it's useless in our attempts. Stay patient.
Not to be a total retard, but is Froyo just a codename for Flash integration, or is it like an entire OS upgrade for the Android? Why would you say it would be ages until the HTC Incredible gets updated?
Sorry if that's a dumb question.
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Not to be a total retard, but is Froyo just a codename for Flash integration, or is it like an entire OS upgrade for the Android? Why would you say it would be ages until the HTC Incredible gets updated?
Sorry if that's a dumb question.
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It's an entire upgrade for andriod, well from 2.1 to 2.2, but some good changes. HTC has to go through a ton of testing phases before releasing an upgrade so it usually takes them awhile and no question is a dumb question
I work for the mobile industry and have worked for the computer industry for years, and have never been one to believe the talk about obsolete devices soon after you buy them. It angers me that this incredible is my first Android and I can't root it like my friends who have the Droid and Nexus One, Dream, etc.
I'm almost tempted to take it back and get a diff android, but this damn phone is so cool.
Hey OP while were at it why dont we ask htc for a bigger screen too, heck maybe they can turn our phones into EVO's........ J/K
it will happen in time gotta patient
RLKirk said:
It's an entire upgrade for andriod, well from 2.1 to 2.2, but some good changes. HTC has to go through a ton of testing phases before releasing an upgrade so it usually takes them awhile and no question is a dumb question
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After getting used to how everyone acted on the G1 forums, you are my nominee for most helpful XDA user, simply by stating "no question is a dumb question "
dephtones said:
I work for the mobile industry and have worked for the computer industry for years, and have never been one to believe the talk about obsolete devices soon after you buy them. It angers me that this incredible is my first Android and I can't root it like my friends who have the Droid and Nexus One, Dream, etc.
I'm almost tempted to take it back and get a diff android, but this damn phone is so cool.
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Root will happen. As is, this phone is far from obsolete. 2.2 still needs to be released on an actual device before its mature enough for daily use. Trust me, I went to 2.1 way too early on my last device and it sucked. Then 2.1 devices came out and all of the sudden it was good enough for daily use.
Start Shouting at this Accounts for Incredible root
http://twitter.com/htc
http://twitter.com/VerizonWireless
There is no way verizon will ever help with the incredible root, it enables things that verizon want locked on the phone, such as tethering. I'm all for optimism, but lets not forget reality.
morkon said:
There is no way verizon will ever help with the incredible root, it enables things that verizon want locked on the phone, such as tethering. I'm all for optimism, but lets not forget reality.
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I agree. Not only does it enable things VZW disabled intentionally but it increases the chances for issues that can lead to unsatified customers and returns.
HTC probably wouldn't want to go against their customer who is VZW not us. We buy from VZW not HTC.
We just have to trust in our developer community and hope they are able to accomplish root in the near future. I believe every HTC Android device has been rooted in the past so why would the Incredible be any different.
I remember reading an artible about how the G1 would never be able to be upgraded to 1.6 and devs got that phone running 2.1 so I am hopeful
Un-root And update download the file from here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=975888 and apply. This will give you stock and S-on.
That simple!
Thanks for the info, but the fun is just beginning. This is always good to have just in case you have to return it.
You should be able to load any stock RUU. As long as the hboot and the recovery exist in the RUU, it should return you to a stock condition.
Jaywan, how about a simple root and s-off?
It's simple to make a app run the commands needed to make a one click rooter. And easier to edit a already working rooter to work for this phone. Idk why he don't want the one click released. Took me 30 minutes to root.. maybe he only want people to root using his method. I not gonna step on his toes by posting one tho...
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ok ok, I hear yah. I will just bite the bullet and type in all 90 of the commands tomorrow when I get off work.
BTW, I left the MT4G and came over to verizon also. I went to the SGS4G before I left tmobile. Lack of dev support for that phone made me give it up. Thanks for coming over to the Thunderbolt.
also, take a look at this thread I started. Somethings up with this one click unroot deal.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1004567
Jaywan said:
It's simple to make a app run the commands needed to make a one click rooter. And easier to edit a already working rooter to work for this phone. Idk why he don't want the one click released. Took me 30 minutes to root.. maybe he only want people to root using his method. I not gonna step on his toes by posting one tho...
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I heard him meantion he wants people to learn adb so if something happens further down the line they can use it
Seriously I'm with him, the hardest part about adb for me was getting it installed. The root was easy and took 30 min
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For what its worth, he said feel free to post the one clicks, just give credit. I dont honestly care however, copy, paste, seemed simple enough. Was no where near as hard as the original root method for the DInc.
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The only legitimate reason I could buy about not wanting a one click released, is if SOMEHOW it would make our phones vulnerable to some sort if attack.
As background, I've ben using custom roms since my old g1 was new and JesusFreke was just getting started and I dont ever recall ANY dev with holding something that would make the users lives easier. In recent history I've done a ton of flashing roms with both mine and my wifes old vibrants and the only time I used adb was if I wanted to push a file to the phone without mounting it on my computer.
PERSONALLY, this whole mess sounds of ego and elitism. I am incredibly greatful to the devs who have paved the way, but fearful of what they are trying to do. No one should have the right to prevent another from releasing something, it's in gross violation of the gpl. If a dev wants to code something under a different license, fine. However it needs to be clearly annotated as such, and devoid of any gpl work itself. In other words, it basically can't contain anything related to android unless it was developed 100% blind through an emulator.
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Can't step on my toes, I got stealtoe boots...
I want a chance to review any one clicks before release. I REALLY want new users to understand what they are doing BEFORE they try one clicking.
I want proper md5sum verifications, I want proper warnings, etc.
I already stopped the release (until fixed) of one 1click root that would of been REALLY bad for the community and anyone using it.
Ppl need to stop blaming me for this crud.
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The only legitimate reason I could buy about not wanting a one click released, is if SOMEHOW it would make our phones vulnerable to some sort if attack.
As background, I've ben using custom roms since my old g1 was new and JesusFreke was just getting started and I dont ever recall ANY dev with holding something that would make the users lives easier. In recent history I've done a ton of flashing roms with both mine and my wifes old vibrants and the only time I used adb was if I wanted to push a file to the phone without mounting it on my computer.
PERSONALLY, this whole mess sounds of ego and elitism. I am incredibly greatful to the devs who have paved the way, but fearful of what they are trying to do. No one should have the right to prevent another from releasing something, it's in gross violation of the gpl. If a dev wants to code something under a different license, fine. However it needs to be clearly annotated as such, and devoid of any gpl work itself. In other words, it basically can't contain anything related to android unless it was developed 100% blind through an emulator.
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Are you a troll or do you really believe all that crock you just posted?
The issue with one clicks was an increased risk of bricking with this method. And where does the GPL even come in here at, any GPL code we used as released before the root was even up.?
I stopped a one click from being released today that not only left your phone vulnerable to an attack, but also left you with an outdated, faulty radio and other faulty firmware.
Either you are a troll, have a personal issue with me, or have a seriously problem.
jcase said:
Can't step on my toes, I got stealtoe boots...
I want a chance to review any one clicks before release. I REALLY want new users to understand what they are doing BEFORE they try one clicking.
I want proper md5sum verifications, I want proper warnings, etc.
I already stopped the release (until fixed) of one 1click root that would of been REALLY bad for the community and anyone using it.
Ppl need to stop blaming me for this crud.
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omfg most of us been rooting since g1 came out THE FIRST DAY come on if modaco was working on this aka paul. like his app visionary he would have it out.... who cares most of us know adb... but i dont want to turn s off i just want root access to remove **** and do a couple mods. why is this such a big fuc88ing deal just release the app and we will all be grateful of who release one click root
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omfg most of us been rooting since g1 came out THE FIRST DAY come on if modaco was working on this aka paul. like his app visionary he would have it out.... who cares most of us know adb... but i dont want to turn s off i just want root access to remove **** and do a couple mods. why is this such a big fuc88ing deal just release the app and we will all be grateful of who release one click root
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o.m.g.
Dude it doesn't work that way on this phone. It is not the G1, z4/visionary/anyonphoneroot does not work, root REQUIRES adb (even with one click).
Fact is, you can't root this phone, temp or perm, one click or not, without ad.
If you can find a way, please do. We are awaiting your one click, root that does not use adb, and is not dangerous.
fyi one click has been released, hours before your post.
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I'm going to cut out all your attacks, because you've clearly missed my point in its entirety and decided to get defensive.
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The issue with one clicks was an increased risk of bricking with this method. And where does the GPL even come in here at, any GPL code we used as released before the root was even up.?
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I brought the GPL in because like it or not, you don't have the right to say who can and cannot release anything regarding "one click" roots UNLESS you yourself made an essential piece of the current rooting method, that is in its entirety your own. To make an analogy, you can't patent (and thus control the distribution) to a Toyota Carolla, simply because you assembled the whole thing from spare parts. If you were to completely design and fabricate a motor vehicle without using off-the-shelf parts you WOULD have that right.
There is nothing personal in my view of this against you, I don't hold any grudges against anyone; but its the mentality here that irritates me, and it just happens that you're the one that posted it:
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I want a chance to review any one clicks before release. I REALLY want new users to understand what they are doing BEFORE they try one clicking.
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I understand you want people to learn; I really do. I've done enough work with computers that I too get really irritated at people who demand answers to questions answered much faster by doing a quick search. I also understand why you want to avoid screw ups because of a poorly made one click. HOWEVER, just because you WANT people to get them cleared through you first; does not mean they HAVE to or that you have a right to demand that they do.
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I stopped a one click from being released today that not only left your phone vulnerable to an attack, but also left you with an outdated, faulty radio and other faulty firmware.
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And thus you've found the wonder of open source software. Sometimes crap gets released. But guess what? Every one of us here are supposed to be adults, or at the very least the authorized users of our phones; which means that if we screw something up, or use something that screws up; its our own damn fault.
The whole purpose of OSS is to allow freedom of ideas and development. I don't know how old you are, or what your experience with OSS outside of Android phones are; but I personally have seen PLENTY of OSS software that started out as utter crap, turn into wonderful software packages. Maybe you're old enough to remember KDE2 vs KDE4, or how about pre v1 Mozilla vs modern versions of Firefox.
I'm not some OSS nutter; I've got no problem with closed source or proprietary software; just a problem with others trying to control things they have no right to.
All that having been said, maybe you DO hold software rights related to some piece of the current rooting method. If so I've seen nothing indicating so, nor anything indicating that any part of the rooting method is not OSS; however if you DO, then you have my apologies, as you would indeed have control over distribution of that specific piece. You still would not be able to prevent distribution of any one click that were released provided they simply had users download your piece separately.
You are missing the point, and obviously did not read anything. This will be my last time wasting time with you until then.
I never said THEY CANT release, I asked them not to, until we had a safer way and time to check it out. Big difference. I stopped one from going out today that would of more or less ruined phones until someone fixed them.
Fact is, MOST of the one clicks I have seen lately, violate the GPL, why don't you go after them, or hell even better we could really use you to go after HTC (in all seriousness).
ShanDestromp said:
I'm going to cut out all your attacks, because you've clearly missed my point in its entirety and decided to get defensive.
I brought the GPL in because like it or not, you don't have the right to say who can and cannot release anything regarding "one click" roots UNLESS you yourself made an essential piece of the current rooting method, that is in its entirety your own. To make an analogy, you can't patent (and thus control the distribution) to a Toyota Carolla, simply because you assembled the whole thing from spare parts. If you were to completely design and fabricate a motor vehicle without using off-the-shelf parts you WOULD have that right.
There is nothing personal in my view of this against you, I don't hold any grudges against anyone; but its the mentality here that irritates me, and it just happens that you're the one that posted it:
I understand you want people to learn; I really do. I've done enough work with computers that I too get really irritated at people who demand answers to questions answered much faster by doing a quick search. I also understand why you want to avoid screw ups because of a poorly made one click. HOWEVER, just because you WANT people to get them cleared through you first; does not mean they HAVE to or that you have a right to demand that they do.
And thus you've found the wonder of open source software. Sometimes crap gets released. But guess what? Every one of us here are supposed to be adults, or at the very least the authorized users of our phones; which means that if we screw something up, or use something that screws up; its our own damn fault.
The whole purpose of OSS is to allow freedom of ideas and development. I don't know how old you are, or what your experience with OSS outside of Android phones are; but I personally have seen PLENTY of OSS software that started out as utter crap, turn into wonderful software packages. Maybe you're old enough to remember KDE2 vs KDE4, or how about pre v1 Mozilla vs modern versions of Firefox.
I'm not some OSS nutter; I've got no problem with closed source or proprietary software; just a problem with others trying to control things they have no right to.
All that having been said, maybe you DO hold software rights related to some piece of the current rooting method. If so I've seen nothing indicating so, nor anything indicating that any part of the rooting method is not OSS; however if you DO, then you have my apologies, as you would indeed have control over distribution of that specific piece. You still would not be able to prevent distribution of any one click that were released provided they simply had users download your piece separately.
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I agree!! If anyone is in violation of GPL license it is HTC.
And once we have that kernel source in the hands of the community amazing things will happen!!
Once the custom kernels start flying you will see the TB doing crazy things. I can only imagine 2GHz speeds or insanely efficient battery life (to name a few)!
ShanDestromp says "And thus you've found the wonder of open source software. Sometimes crap gets released. But guess what? Every one of us here are supposed to be adults, or at the very least the authorized users of our phones; which means that if we screw something up, or use something that screws up; its our own damn fault. "
This has got to be the stupidest statement I have read in a long time, I can guarantee, If you used a 1-click method and it bricked your phone you would be screaming " where's the oversight in this forum, I cant' believe that that mods would allow faulty programming to be posted."
Jcase I for one am glad you are stepping up and doing what needs to be done to prevent a potential $750 brick, thank you sir.
jcase said:
I never said THEY CANT release, I asked them not to, until we had a safer way and time to check it out. Big difference. I stopped one from going out today that would of more or less ruined phones until someone fixed them.
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I'm not privy to any private conversations, nor do I read every thread here on XDA, so my general impression, which I'm sure is shared based upon what others have said, was of a more explicit "No you cannot," not a "do you mind if I take a peek first". Furthermore, I did not name any one individual "responsible" for any blockade; I only began to interact with you once you brought yourself into the thread. Beyond that, if you go back to my original post, I explicitly thank the people who made root possible at all.
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Fact is, MOST of the one clicks I have seen lately, violate the GPL, why don't you go after them
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For starters I don't know much, if anything about them other than they exist. Unless I personally see something that I think is in violation, I assume good faith. I certainly don't seeking violations.
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or hell even better we could really use you to go after HTC (in all seriousness).
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I'm guessing you're referring to the fact that they didn't release the kernel source as expected this week? I'd mentioned it in another thread, though I don't recall which anymore; but from what I recall of GPLv2 developers have 60 days from the "official" binary release to provide source. To expand on that, HTC has 60 days from when the phone officially went on sale, to provide upon request the source code to any GPL licensed software, however it is version specific. That is to say 60 days from March 17th to make available the source to the firmware that was on the phone when released (since to the best of my knowledge there have been no other OFFICIAL firmware versions released).
Of course any such source will inherently exclude any third party proprietary software, for example if HTC used a closed-source bluetooth stack (not saying they did, just a hypothetical example). Additionally, there isn't any specific method to release stipulated. If HTC wishes they could mail out copies of the source on 3.5" floppies and still be within the rules; and all this assumes GPLv2 is how Android is licensed. If its v3 then I honestly have no clue if any time provisions exist.
I just want to reiterate, I have no ill-will to you nor anyone else. It appears as though the whole issue stems from miscommunication.
YAY!!!!
http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/16/...-devices-may-get-app-sideloading-as-early-as/
Not the atrix :/
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know what else brings it to the atrix?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1016060
Techcruncher said:
YAY!!!!
http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/16/...-devices-may-get-app-sideloading-as-early-as/
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Why are you posting this in the Atrix forums???
Doesn't mention the Atrix anywhere!!!
People here are just so touchy o:
It states that the first three devices are the Captivate and those others, and says that "select" devices will receive the update. I see no good reason why the Atrix would not be a "select" device, being that it's still one of AT&T's major Android phones. Just be patient.
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know what else brings it to the atrix?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1016060
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To that point, I have 0 3rd party apps that dont need rooting also anyway.
blindguyinanorgy said:
To that point, I have 0 3rd party apps that dont need rooting also anyway.
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well, if you want to enable sideloading right now, you have to root. =P
CaelanT said:
Why are you posting this in the Atrix forums???
Doesn't mention the Atrix anywhere!!!
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For pre-emptive complaining of course!
KefkaticFanatic said:
People here are just so touchy o:
It states that the first three devices are the Captivate and those others, and says that "select" devices will receive the update. I see no good reason why the Atrix would not be a "select" device, being that it's still one of AT&T's major Android phones. Just be patient.
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Not touchy. The OP is saying after reading this article that the Atrix is one of the phones. It is not mentioned anywhere in the article. Nobody is being touchy. People just need to stop posting "assumed" crap and post facts. Other people need to stop assuming that the assumptions are correct and posting not one iota of supporting evidence.
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In retrospect, you're probably right. Sorry about that. At least there's some news of hope on the horizon ^.^
I suggest rereading that immense topic and post totally a whopping 6 words. I don't see "Atrix" anywhere
He's simply sharing an article showing that AT&T is becoming more open, which may mean a future update for the Atrix, and, while a bit far fetched, potentially even hints at them allowing a bootloader unlock.
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I suggest rereading that immense topic and post totally a whopping 6 words. I don't see "Atrix" anywhere
He's simply sharing an article showing that AT&T is becoming more open, which may mean a future update for the Atrix, and, while a bit far fetched, potentially even hints at them allowing a bootloader unlock.
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I was glad to see someone not let their anger at AT&T fly back at the OP so they update some of their older phones that are probably easier to do at this point. This is obviously a sign that they have realized they cant treat us like Apple does. If we really want open phones we can and will have them. So they are going to just give them too us open. It will probably cut down on warranty claims from stupid people doing shoddy jobs of rooting and flashing their phones. Im sure motorola wont leave us hanging theyve taken good care of me so far. so just be patient.
Why should I care if At&t enables side loading, we have a hack for it. Is At&t taking a page from Apple, "were adding something users already figured out how to do, we initiative!!"
sifon187 said:
Why should I care if At&t enables side loading, we have a hack for it. Is At&t taking a page from Apple, "were adding something users already figured out how to do, we initiative!!"
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Zing!
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I love hacking, Don't get me wrong, But I'm not going to risk being stuck on Froyo cause I deleted some important file, or have to panic about the sbf. official updates are official for a reason.
This thing cost me 250$... Not gonna risk it :S
Has anyone actually gotten the update via OTA on one of these devices?
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Has anyone actually gotten the update via OTA on one of these devices?
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I manually ran the OTA update for my wife's HTC Aria this morning. No joy. It just searched for what seemed like 10 minutes before I quit it.
Techcruncher said:
I love hacking, Don't get me wrong, But I'm not going to risk being stuck on Froyo cause I deleted some important file, or have to panic about the sbf. official updates are official for a reason.
This thing cost me 250$... Not gonna risk it :S
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Um, you can't get stuck on FroYo for rooting. If you deodex/install a P-ROM, you'll have to flash back to stock, however.
I haven't seen anyone get completely bricked by modding the Atrix. There's almost no risk if you understand what you're doing currently. It's not like the Captivate where you might get the black screen of death and have to make a jig.
Considering the extensive testing that AT&T requires before allowing firmware updates to be released, along with the fact that 4.1.83 was literally just released, its not surprising to see the Atrix not on the list.
I also agree with the bootloader thing, if AT&T was the reason it was locked, Motorola now has some incentive to unlock it. Not that they definitely would though, as other motorola devices on other carriers show.
UPDATE:
New article with word that the Atrix will be updated as well.