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Evo 4g rooted before Incredible?

This is the word on the 4G forum here on XDA! Hope this soon leads to the incredible root but for now ill just be jealous.
Link: http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/24/htc-evo-4g-rooted-in-record-time-video/
P.S. Thanks to anyone working on incredible root.

i was equally as upset hope this helps us out
nevermind if you go to the source: http://grack.com/blog/2010/05/23/root-on-an-htc-evo-4g/
they state "At this time, we believe that this specific exploit cannot be applied to Incredible."

Darn that really sucks

mejdam said:
i was equally as upset hope this helps us out
nevermind if you go to the source: http://grack.com/blog/2010/05/23/root-on-an-htc-evo-4g/
they state "At this time, we believe that this specific exploit cannot be applied to Incredible."
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Boo!
When I read the news on engadget, I had the warm and fuzzies. Same android build. Same sense. CDMA radio. Rooted! What a downer!
How can we get an INC into these guys hands? I'd be willing to donate some cash if it helps.

Dont post this crap in the DEV thread, there are 3 other sectiosn for this on XDA

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Dont post this crap in the DEV thread, there are 3 other sectiosn for this on XDA
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Lol not like it would hurt, that **** already full of spam and beggers haha

it was somthing in the bootloader that found that the incredible does not have. But rest assured that its bieng worked on and im sure we will have root.

nah, it wasn't the bootloader

looks to me like he flashed a leaked image based on where he starts the video and seeing how he doesnt show us the bootloader or anything involving recovery/fastboot. My guess is that since this was an evo prerelease is that someone at htc with the shipping rom weasled a su apk in there while also having the test keys to sign. I never see anyone talking on irc and i assume we are months away from root.
edit: after looking on the website it seems as if they have done deeper work than i assumed. I believe there may be similarities in what they did and what we need. He mentions that he used his linux background and knowldge of hacking bootloaders. maybe something is in store for us unlucky incredible users

nope it has been stated that it will not work for us. And it looks like my bootloader theroy is wrong..... mmmmm i wonder what it could be.

are you judging by this little footnote? "At this time, we believe that this specific exploit cannot be applied to Incredible." - taken from grack.com . If they did anything to the bootloader i would assume an exploit can be derrived from this method. we dont need to use their entire method. From what i hear their bootloader is a higher version than ours which should make it more difficult to crack. If they ever release how they did it Im sure we can find some hope to help us.

1wayjonny said:
Dont post this crap in the DEV thread, there are 3 other sectiosn for this on XDA
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Knowledge is power and not sure what was up your rear when posting but any bit of information on semi similar phones never hurt anyone. Seeing how this isn't a post about an accessory app theme maybe could go into general but this is more of developmental news then general.

Well, I at least feel better knowing others are going through the same "pain" I am faced with. I'll donate my time and resources (I still don't have the Incredible thx to it being sold out everywhere... maybe I will try the Best Buy closest to me... although they kind of stink, they don't even carry any Apple computers while most ever other BB does) to get this fix0rz for the peeple!

Hero_Over said:
looks to me like he flashed a leaked image based on where he starts the video and seeing how he doesnt show us the bootloader or anything involving recovery/fastboot. My guess is that since this was an evo prerelease is that someone at htc with the shipping rom weasled a su apk in there while also having the test keys to sign. I never see anyone talking on irc and i assume we are months away from root.
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Nothing to do with test keys, no leaked images. There is no way to modify it to the incredible.

lol, I knew it was going to be rooted before, but I had some hopes it could have been used to help with the root for the Incredible. Oh well, such is life. I'm sure there are some Verizon Android developers that are still working on this....All the give me root and where's the root and other I want root spamming is not going to help with anything other than the continuous spamming of this section.
I really hate this waiting for the Unlockers/Root for any phone as it's nothing but spamming.
Just be patient and it will come. Then it's time for you to show your gratification to the developers for their hardwork that I'm sure most do in their spare time and not as their source of income...
[Insert some more I want root spam after this message]

G2 Rootkit

I saw a story on BoingBoing indicating that the G2 has a rootkit installed on it.
boingboing.net/2010/10/05/t-mobile-sneaks-root.html
I am wondering if anyone can confirm this? I haven't received my phone yet, but that would suck.

yeah, any changes you make are reversed upon reboot

It is a very loose use of the term "rootkit", but from the owner's perspective, it is technically correct.

So is that it. Game over?

sinistersai4d4d said:
So is that it. Game over?
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I'd wait for some credible evidence first. I haven't seen any at all yet...

I'm hoping there is no real merit to this and that the XDA community finds a workaround. I have faith in the devs here. The first one to get a working, solid root will definitely get a donation from me, lol.

My question is.. if the phone always resets the firmware.. what happens when T-Mobile pushes out the next OTA?
They obviously have a work around that needs to be exploited.

you know, when Motorola was doing this ****...everyone was like "no need to worry, HTC doesn't do this kind of stuff, and they make great phones"
What now? Seems like this is the future for sure

hydrogenman said:
you know, when Motorola was doing this ****...everyone was like "no need to worry, HTC doesn't do this kind of stuff, and they make great phones"
What now? Seems like this is the future for sure
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I think in cases like these, their hands are probably tied. It's hard to say who to put the blame on. The carrier could've requested the block or they would've rejected HTC. Either way, it leaves a bad taste in my mouth. The end user pays a monthly bill and has purchased the phone. Why are they now disallowed to alter their investment? I don't see how the carrier or HTC loses. Preventing us from tinkering will just make us grow to hate the carrier, the phone manufacturer or both.
Where are we supposed to go when Android gets completely locked down? That doesn't sound like open source to me and open source is what drove me to Android in the first place.

I'm sure the big difference with the OTA is the fact that it's:
1) a newer version
2) signed
Failing to meet these requirements probably prevents writing to the "permanent" memory.

Well this is quite irritating. Has this sort of thing been implemented on other devices? And if so, has XDA been able to root it?
I guess what im trying to ask is, if this is true, does that mean the G2 can not be rooted? Need to know because im purchasing one soon and if its impossible to root and get roms on, It would be a deal breaker for me.

Well, it can't really be impossible, but if it requires hardware mods or for the signature to be cracked...it may never happen.
Honestly, I'm happy enough with the phone that I wouldn't be upset it if it was never rooted, but of course I'd prefer that it was. I'm just keeping my fingers crossed that one of the expert rooters can get the job done.

Yellowfrizbee said:
Well this is quite irritating. Has this sort of thing been implemented on other devices? And if so, has XDA been able to root it?
I guess what im trying to ask is, if this is true, does that mean the G2 can not be rooted? Need to know because im purchasing one soon and if its impossible to root and get roms on, It would be a deal breaker for me.
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Anything that can be engineered, can ultimately be reverse engineered. I'm sure once devs like Cyanogen and others get a G2 in hand, they'll have some sort of solution or at least a better explanation than what this website gives. One can only hope. If it turns out to be hardware-driven, that scares me a bit.

Wow, what a boneheaded move by Tmo considering that so many people considered the G2 to be the successor to the N1 as a dev phone.

Jorsher said:
I'm sure the big difference with the OTA is the fact that it's:
1) a newer version
2) signed
Failing to meet these requirements probably prevents writing to the "permanent" memory.
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That shouldn't matter then.. remember the CLIQ and DROID were rooted by adding SU to a signed OTA w/o changing the signature bits in the compressed OTA.

iT cant be impossible cause then we would never be able to get updates so like everyone is saying im sure some Pro Moders / Hackers will find a way. Will it be as simple as other roots? Prly not but im sure at some point we will have it. I to am happy with the phone as is and rly the only thing that we are lacking (correct me if im wrong) is the built in teathering and becoming a WiFi hotspot. I can live without those things but some people might need them. At any rate my fingers are crossed =)

Kubernetes said:
Wow, what a boneheaded move by Tmo considering that so many people considered the G2 to be the successor to the N1 as a dev phone.
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The G2 is not a dev phone and they dont have dev phones of the G2 available for purchase..not sure what your inferring? The G1 had dev phones as did the N1.. nothing on the G2 though as of yet.

Well, if this is the case, then the phone goes back today. *sigh* I really like Android 2.2 over 1.6.

genibus said:
The G2 is not a dev phone and they dont have dev phones of the G2 available for purchase..not sure what your inferring? The G1 had dev phones as did the N1.. nothing on the G2 though as of yet.
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He wasn't referring to an actual "dev" G2 phone...he meant the G2 was perceived as the next big "open" phone for devs to have just how the N1 was widely accepted/perceived as a phone for devs (being able to root, load custom ROMS, etc. freely) (ie. moto's execs telling disgruntled X owners that if they wish to have custom roms and such they should buy a google n1).

Jorsher said:
... I wouldn't be upset it if it was never rooted, but of course I'd prefer that it was. ...
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The problem with this position is if you have a need that T-Mobile refuses to meet, then you cannot override them.
But as others have pointed out, it can be reversed engineered. Physical access to the hardware essentially makes it vunderable to whatever security counter-measures you wish to invest in.

You're kidding me right?

Is the LG Ally seriously getting a froyo update before the fascinate. Yet another reason why I hate Samsung & Verizon
http://www.androidcentral.com/lg-ally-about-get-froyo-update
You can rant with frustration & disappointment below. lol.

I gave up on samsung updating us a while ago. I know this doesn't mean much, but I was at a verizon store the other day so for the hell of it I asked when we were getting our froyo update. He blatantly said "you're not getting it." At least I know I can count on the awesome devs to unleash the true potential of this phone. Thank you kaos, jt, birdman, geeknik, adrynalyne, sonofskywalker, and anyone else I forgot. You guys are awesome
EDIT: I forgot....THANK YOU IVORY for donating the fascinate to kaos!!
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halfcourtshoes said:
Is the LG Ally seriously getting a froyo update before the fascinate. Yet another reason why I hate Samsung & Verizon
http://www.androidcentral.com/lg-ally-about-get-froyo-update
You can rant with frustration & disappointment below. lol.
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Not sure why you mention Verizon, since they're the ones pushing the LG update. Shouldn't is just be Samsung?

I can only keep a poker face so long....the recent cd rom bug is pushing me over the edge.

adrynalyne said:
I can only keep a poker face so long....the recent cd rom bug is pushing me over the edge.
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I'm thinking I'm glad I'm standing pat on... umm... whatever the hell was before DL09... DJ05?
I just picked up my morning coffee.

The Ally was released in May, they have been waiting a lot longer...
(Though some of the other US SGS phones were released in June.)

Well, some of them were promised 2.0 and their updates stopped at 1.6.

"Enhanced browser performance for faster loading of Java Script pages. Note: Adobe Flash browsing will not be supported on this device"
Did you guys MISS that line ???? No Flash browser, might as well not be 2.2....

Yes, we totally are kidding!
Verizon released Froyo for the Fascinate yesterday, but they just won't give it to you. Why? We're not sure. Maybe you didn't pay your bill on time, or maybe they're prejudiced against people with {insert your hair color here} hair. They can be pretty capricious that way.
The rest of us are rocking it, but nobody has posted here about it because we all like keeping secrets and making you angry.
Toodles!

Samsung charges providers with the update, verizon does not want to pay for it since its open source. Therefor we wont see it unless samung gives it for free or someone here can make it happen. my bet is on XDA not Verizon. Next phone will be motorola seems they are happy in bed with verizon and get all the updates and fixes.

pvgomer said:
Samsung charges providers with the update, verizon does not want to pay for it since its open source. Therefor we wont see it unless samung gives it for free or someone here can make it happen. my bet is on XDA not Verizon. Next phone will be motorola seems they are happy in bed with verizon and get all the updates and fixes.
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Please don't spread rumors. There are enough in the blogosphere to do it for you.

pvgomer said:
Samsung charges providers with the update, verizon does not want to pay for it since its open source. Therefor we wont see it unless samung gives it for free or someone here can make it happen. my bet is on XDA not Verizon. Next phone will be motorola seems they are happy in bed with verizon and get all the updates and fixes.
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You hit this one right on the head! Sammy needs a lesson on what "open source" is. Although I think Verizon could be a little more vocal, in the end it all comes down to Sammy.

adrynalyne said:
I can only keep a poker face so long....the recent cd rom bug is pushing me over the edge.
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Agreed and there web site is down so I can't download the media recovery and was unable to find the toolboot exe
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pvgomer said:
Samsung charges providers with the update, verizon does not want to pay for it since its open source. Therefor we wont see it unless samung gives it for free or someone here can make it happen. my bet is on XDA not Verizon. Next phone will be motorola seems they are happy in bed with verizon and get all the updates and fixes.
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Please don't perpetuate unverified rumors.

mexiken said:
"Enhanced browser performance for faster loading of Java Script pages. Note: Adobe Flash browsing will not be supported on this device"
Did you guys MISS that line ???? No Flash browser, might as well not be 2.2....
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Actually, I would gladly take 2.2 without flash to get JIT and chrome to phone, not to mention some apps are coded to only work on newer versions.

gbmitchell said:
Actually, I would gladly take 2.2 without flash to get JIT and chrome to phone, not to mention some apps are coded to only work on newer versions.
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I would, but the majority of the tools and noobs in here only care about Flash. I'm actually most excited about JIT and the ability to upgrade integrated apps independent of software updates (like Gmail for example)

adrynalyne said:
I can only keep a poker face so long....the recent cd rom bug is pushing me over the edge.
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Really? Don't leave us Adrynalyne. It's making me mad too. I was forced to update to DL09 since I got my phone replaced today, and I went back to DJ05. And then the CD bug happened. It's such an awesome phone, crippled by poor carrier/manufacturer support.

Im not leaving...its just the OCD in me kills me on things like this.
We got it resolved yesterday, anyway.

I'm new to this forum and still trying to find my way around it, so could you point me in the direction of the usb situation fix please? Thank you.
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More info: EB13 to EC05

While searching through some sprint forums, I came across the admin stating this about those who have EB13:
The official Sprint OTA update is for devices on EB13 and will update your device to EC05. You should receive it by midnight CST.
I know people might think this is crap, but the one thing the admin gave away is the TIME ZONE. Now we know the time zone to base it on to see if it will come true.
Just a thought to get people a little more hopeful.
Here's the source: http://community.sprint.com/baw/message/273219

Awesome... i dont see why a member of your status would lie

iSaint said:
Awesome... i dont see why a member of your status would lie
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Thanks. I swear to you I'm not lying.
I mean, my statement is just a theory, of course, based on a Sprint Admin (the one who actually posted the info all about the new update on the Sprint forums), so I'm taking his word for it.
Also, it being CST makes sense since the Sprint Headquarters is in the Midwest. (I think)
That being said, I think that confirms that the update is being run by Sprint, not the Google servers, like some had suggested.

Yep makes alot of sense and explains the texts everyones been getting.
Thanks for posting bro.

iSaint said:
Yep makes alot of sense and explains the texts everyones been getting.
Thanks for posting bro.
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No problem. Since I live in the Midwest, it's easier to keep track of the time
For those who don't live in the Midwest, it is currently 9:00.
Only 3 more hours until we all get EC05, or Sprint had lied
Edit: Holy crap, I think I might be getting it right now O_O
It's checking for the software update, and it's taking way longer than usual. I know it's checking correctly because whenever you check for any update, the little "3G" icon in the notification bar disappears. I'll let it keep loading for a while. *FINGERS CROSSED*
Edit2: False Alarm... (no shocker really)

It's update android, not firmware. It's not coming tonight, it's not available.

NoSoMo said:
It's update android, not firmware. It's not coming tonight, it's not available.
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Alright, well:
1. You have to click "Update Firmware" and then the System Updates section will show it downloading.
2. It IS available; people on DI18 already have it. Sprint claims EB13 will get it too. Maybe not today, but one can only hope right?
Look, the best way to look at a situation like this is to be optimistic, and that is what I am attempting to do. Sure I might be wrong or get my hopes up, but sometimes the feeling of having the optimism is enough.
So please, don't just make statements like that. I know you weren't intending to bash me or anything, but having that negativity does not help.
Thanks

So odin back to di18 and check for the update to see what happens.
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acer1096xxx said:
Alright, well:
1. You have to click "Update Firmware" and then the System Updates section will show it downloading.
2. It IS available; people on DI18 already have it. Sprint claims EB13 will get it too. Maybe not today, but one can only hope right?
Look, the best way to look at a situation like this is to be optimistic, and that is what I am attempting to do. Sure I might be wrong or get my hopes up, but sometimes the feeling of having the optimism is enough.
So please, don't just make statements like that. I know you weren't intending to bash me or anything, but having that negativity does not help.
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Updating to 05 via 13 IS NOT AVAILABLE AND WILL NOT BE THIS WEEK.
Look at the 13 update, it came out for 18 alone, and then days later was pulled. NOTHING else dropped. Samsung does not give a $hit about current customers, and it's not going to change tonight, or tomorrow for that matter.

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Updating to 05 via 13 IS NOT AVAILABLE AND WILL NOT BE THIS WEEK.
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What are you basing this on?

Milkman00 said:
What are you basing this on?
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The facts -10char-

Milkman00 said:
What are you basing this on?
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Agreed. I just checked three forums posted by Sprint admins that confirmed ALL SOFTWARE VERSIONS WILL BE UPGRADED TO EC05 BY END OF TODAY.
Now I agree with you that we may not get it TODAY, but we will get it EVENTUALLY. And @dbpaddler, I would but I have a Mac, and do not feel like wiping my data. Also, I do not want to do the Root method because if I root my phone I want to put ext4/cwm3 on it, not cwm2.5. (I realize I can update, but not worth the hassle in my opinion)
This was just posted today:
UPDATE 3/24/11
: Updates from older versions are now available via OTA. If you are on any of the previous releases (not including the leaked DK28 release), you will receive a notification to update...still following
up on whether these will be step releases (DG27 to DI07 to DI18, etc.) or if they will be from the old release directly to the current (for example, DG27 to EC05).
Source: http://community.sprint.com/baw/message/273315#273315

dbpaddler said:
So odin back to di18 and check for the update to see what happens.
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I did that and the first thing it wanted to do, is the voice mail update

NoSoMo said:
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Can you site a source of your "facts" that specifically say there will be no update from EB13 to EC05, or should we just call this a vent (maybe even a troll) and end it here?

You people act like this would be the first time sprint said something that didn't come true. Hell, the Epic was coming with FROYO since November. It's only 4 months later, and they still aren't shipping froyo on the phones, and it came out in what, last may?
Facts? Yes, how about the FACT that it WAS stated that 18 and 13 were BOTH getting 05, then it changed it changed to 18 getting it, and 13 by 1am est, NOW it's changed to 3 previous getting the update? However, the FACT still stands, only 18 is getting 05. Everything I've posted is FACT, the only one inferred was that it's not coming tonight.

Milkman00 said:
Can you site a source of your "facts" that specifically say there will be no update from EB13 to EC05, or should we just call this a vent (maybe even a troll) and end it here?
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Agreed. I don't want this to be a back-and-forth argument.
However, if you can cite a source proving your statements, I would accept them and be on my way.
Edit: @NoSoMo, look, I understand why you're feeling like that. However, it is Samsung who is developing the software, not Sprint. Samsung develops, Sprint delivers. Besides, people already have EC05, which means Sprint ISN'T LYING.
We will get it in due time, and if we don't, then I would just odin to get it.
Please don't get angered by this; I don't want an argument. I agree with you; most likely we will not get it today. But I do believe we will within this week (Sunday, if we're that unlucky)

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However, the FACT still stands, only 18 is getting 05. Everything I've posted is FACT, the only one inferred was that it's not coming tonight.
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NoSoMo said:
Updating to 05 via 13 IS NOT AVAILABLE AND WILL NOT BE THIS WEEK.
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You state that it is not available (assumed currently), which is a fact as of this minute. You then make a very bold FACTUAL claim that it will not be available this week. I am asking you to site the source of this FACT. There are people that read this forum for FACTUAL information, and when you make a statement like that, it is going to freak people out, POSSIBLY FOR NO REASON.
If you would have said "and I bet it won't be available at all this week", or "watch it not be available at all this week", that is an opinion, and that is cool. You made a FACTUAL statement off of what DOCUMENTED FACT???
In the end you could very well be right, but not because of fact, but because you took a chance and got lucky, I am just asking you to take a little responsibility in what you post on forums, especially about such a hot topic.

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You state that it is not available (assumed currently), which is a fact as of this minute. You then make a very bold FACTUAL claim that it will not be available this week. I am asking you to site the source of this FACT. There are people that read this forum for FACTUAL information, and when you make a statement like that, it is going to freak people out, POSSIBLY FOR NO REASON.
If you would have said "and I bet it won't be available at all this week", or "watch it not be available at all this week", that is an opinion, and that is cool. You made a FACTUAL statement off of what DOCUMENTED FACT???
In the end you could very well be right, but not because of fact, but because you took a chance and got lucky, I am just asking you to take a little responsibility in what you post on forums, especially about such a hot topic.
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You bring out a good point Milkman, although a little too argumental (I'm trying to keep some tranquility here )
@NoSoMo, he's right. You are basing everything on opinion and past events that make you believe Sprint will not deliver their promise. An inference is fine, but please reword it so you don't say "facts".
Guys, look. I didn't want all of this to turn into an argument. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Please, I do not want a flame war. Can we all agree to drop this?

I just got tired of waiting so I went to Androidcentral and and used their rom and flashed from EB13 to EC05. It worked great and I didn't lose any data. http://forum.androidcentral.com/epi...ooted-cwm-v2-5-1-0-rfs-odexed.html#post761525

itsmebryan said:
I just got tired of waiting so I went to Androidcentral and and used their rom and flashed from EB13 to EC05. It worked great and I didn't lose any data. http://forum.androidcentral.com/epi...ooted-cwm-v2-5-1-0-rfs-odexed.html#post761525
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I'd do that if I could, but I have a mac and no availability to a PC as of now. Also, I would prefer to root my phone to ext4/cwm3 (I realize you can just update over it, but eh, I'm more comfortable with my own preferences)

4.5.91 Upgrade - Is there a "no flash back" warning?

Since I am on KP's 4.5.91 I have not flashed the released OTA.
I see many people already bricking after installing the upgrade, then trying to flash back.
Do you get a warning either before downloading the OTA, or before installing the OTA that you cannot flash to a previous version afterwards?
If not, it's possible you could return your phone, blaming AT&T/Moto for not warning you about backwards flashing.
If there was a warning, sorry, but you will probably be SOL, and it's your own fault for trying to downgrade after installing the OTA.
A bricked device will display 0x1000 on the screen when trying to boot up.
If you see this, go here ---> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1160408

Of course not, why would Motorola put in a warning like that. Motorola never excepts you to flash back to an older firmware.
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CaelanT,
I updated to gingerbread on rooted atrix 4.1.83. I did not notice any warning as you are hoping. Though the phone's root privilege is no more, Motorola has enabled the sideloading and I am happy with that.
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Are you serious?
Why would AT&T or Motorola be to blame for you bricking your device?
There doesn't need to be a "no flash back" warning... If you're 'flashing back' you are most likely using software you're not technically supposed to have to flash firmware you're not technically supposed to have.
It's really tiring reading these forums where people blame everyone but themselves for their bricked device. (Even after the "THIS WILL BRICK YOUR DEVICE" warnings..)

Technically, people shouldn't be able to flash back... we're not supposed to have RSD software or SBFs to flash in the first place.

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Why would AT&T or Motorola be to blame for you bricking your device?
There doesn't need to be a "no flash back" warning... If you're 'flashing back' you are most likely using software you're not technically supposed to have to flash firmware you're not technically supposed to have.
It's really tiring reading these forums where people blame everyone but themselves for their bricked device. (Even after the "THIS WILL BRICK YOUR DEVICE" warnings..)
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Because technically, if they do not warn you that you can ruin your device by flashing to an earlier version, you have a case to sue them if you so choose to go that route. It's their failure to secure the software, updates, and upgrades they have which allows people to flash something you say they should not have, but is freely available to download through software update. Please do not spout what you hear from other people and think this makes you knowledgeable in any way. There are many legal implications with Moto and AT&T not disclosing what their updates/upgrades will or will not do, especially when they say "you will have unlock ability", then switch that at release with no warning, or for any number of reasons.
I can see you have a large contribution to this community by the grand sum of 5 posts which you have.
Now, I am trying to help some of the people out here who were obviously stupid enough to blindly flash an update released to them without first consulting XDA, because of course when you buy the Atrix it tells you to consult XDA on any matters relating to the Atrix!
Go back to ebay where you belong chuck!
BTW..........yes, I am very serious!

So the boot loader on the OTA is still Locked?!!!

yeah you could try that argument. they could give you the run around that you flashed using stuff not from their site or from their customer service portal and there could be some line in the warranty that would cover their ass from that stuff. but hey, worth a shot.

I updated to ota 4.5.9.1 during the soak and there was a big warning on the website, but nothing that I remember seeing when I downloaded and installed the software. They know the risk obviously. Surprised they wouldn't cover their behind during the install.
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sservati said:
So the boot loader on the OTA is still Locked?!!!
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Yes it is.
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CaelanT said:
Because technically, if they do not warn you that you can ruin your device by flashing to an earlier version, you have a case to sue them if you so choose to go that route. It's their failure to secure the software, updates, and upgrades they have which allows people to flash something you say they should not have, but is freely available to download through software update. Please do not spout what you hear from other people and think this makes you knowledgeable in any way. There are many legal implications with Moto and AT&T not disclosing what their updates/upgrades will or will not do, especially when they say "you will have unlock ability", then switch that at release with no warning, or for any number of reasons.
I can see you have a large contribution to this community by the grand sum of 5 posts which you have.
Now, I am trying to help some of the people out here who were obviously stupid enough to blindly flash an update released to them without first consulting XDA, because of course when you buy the Atrix it tells you to consult XDA on any matters relating to the Atrix!
Go back to ebay where you belong chuck!
BTW..........yes, I am very serious!
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As many people have said.. Motorola does not give you any offical path to unlock your bootloader and flash a previous version. People like XDA do.
I have no problem with putting a custom Rom on my phone. I've hacked every device since my first Windows CE pda. The problem I have is with people like you that want to Sue Motorola because they... What? Told you to unlock your bootloader and try to flash unsupported software? No, they didn't.
Oh, and by the way please show me where you got the Official Motorola Atrix Unlock from.

ebaychuck said:
As many people have said.. Motorola does not give you any offical path to unlock your bootloader and flash a previous version. People like XDA do.
I have no problem with putting a custom Rom on my phone. I've hacked every device since my first Windows CE pda. The problem I have is with people like you that want to Sue Motorola because they... What? Told you to unlock your bootloader and try to flash unsupported software? No, they didn't.
Oh, and by the way please show me where you got the Official Motorola Atrix Unlock from.
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The unlocked Bootloader is one thing, the fact that some users are bricking their phones after using OTA's is another.
Granted the 0X1000 is coming more from XDA users who have flashed, but Motorola needs to embrace the Android community better.
I'm not a fanboy of any company by any means, currently I own both a SGS and an Atrix.
^ With that said, Motorola needs to be a little more like Samsung.
* Paying attention to forums like XDA would be a start. Giving phones for free to developers would be another. (Samsung had no problem doing this).
*Getting rid of the bootloader FOREVER would also be in their best interest.
* Finally not forcing MotoBlur accounts down people's throats would be a friendlier approach as well.
Android consumers have helped Motorola get back in the game.
It's time for Motorola to repay the favor and start treating Android like "Android", and not like an iPhone...

sservati said:
So the boot loader on the OTA is still Locked?!!!
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From what I've been reading, yes...

ccrows said:
The unlocked Bootloader is one thing, the fact that some users are bricking their phones after using OTA's is another.
Granted the 0X1000 is coming more from XDA users who have flashed, but Motorola needs to embrace the Android community better.
I'm not a fanboy of any company by any means, currently I own both a SGS and an Atrix.
^ With that said, Motorola needs to be a little more like Samsung.
* Paying attention to forums like XDA would be a start. Giving phones for free to developers would be another. (Samsung had no problem doing this).
*Getting rid of the bootloader FOREVER would also be in their best interest.
* Finally not forcing MotoBlur accounts down people's throats would be a friendlier approach as well.
Android consumers have helped Motorola get back in the game.
It's time for Motorola to repay the favor and start treating Android like "Android", and not like an iPhone...
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Yeah, it would be nice if they'd support their more advanced users like Samsung and HTC have been doing. It seems like they are about to make some kind of change with Motoblur so maybe they'll ease up on the requirement to use it.

ebaychuck said:
Yeah, it would be nice if they'd support their more advanced users like Samsung and HTC have been doing. It seems like they are about to make some kind of change with Motoblur so maybe they'll ease up on the requirement to use it.
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I've seen the Motoblur "improvements", but you still need an account, which is BS. Plus its a waste of time to freeze things in TiBU.
Between the last OTA that bricked many phones and the current Motoblur BS, I hope we can get Vanilla Gingerbread on this device more than ever. This will definitely be my last Motoblur phone I ever purchase.
Don't get me wrong I like Motorola a lot, but I also like to have a drama free phone...

I have a question for everyone that upgraded to GB.
After reading about the bugs in GB (like the "battery jumping issue" for instance) -
If you "could" go back to Froyo's latest build, would you do it or are you happier with the current GB?...

Nah.
ccrows said:
I have a question for everyone that upgraded to GB.
After reading about the bugs in GB (like the "battery jumping issue" for instance) -
If you "could" go back to Froyo's latest build, would you do it or are you happier with the current GB?...
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Even with the few problems i'm enjoying having GB.. I guess I just like something new to look at.
I only miss a few things.
- The Happenings page that used to be attached to contacts. It was nice to be able to see the last post a friend made when calling them.
- Access control in Wireless Tether. (I can't remember if it worked on the Atrix or just my previous phone)
- Working Wired Tether..
- Setting review time on the camera.

CaelanT said:
Since I am on KP's 4.5.91 I have not flashed the released OTA.
I see many people already bricking after installing the upgrade, then trying to flash back.
Do you get a warning either before downloading the OTA, or before installing the OTA that you cannot flash to a previous version afterwards?
If not, it's possible you could return your phone, blaming AT&T/Moto for not warning you about backwards flashing.
If there was a warning, sorry, but you will probably be SOL, and it's your own fault for trying to downgrade after installing the OTA.
A bricked device will display 0x1000 on the screen when trying to boot up.
If you see this, go here ---> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1160408
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"Hi Motorola, I'm using non-public tools that have been leaked, and non-public SBF files that have been gotten in an unofficial capacity to downgrade my phone after the latest update. I'm not breaking my warranty, am I?"