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Tmo is cancelling my service

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This has nothing to do with the Samsung Vibrant. Maybe you oughta post on T-Mobile's forum or better yet give them a call

Can't you just turn roaming off??
If you are roaming a ton... isnt that their network issue? I dont understand....

If you primarily use your phone in a geographic area that T-Mobile does not have service they may cancel your service. T-Mobile does not pass along costs for roaming to the end user, but it does cost T-Mobile a ton for roaming. If you just travel through an area without coverage no big deal, but if the bulk of your usage is on a roaming partners network they reserve the right to cancel your service.
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^ I did not know that, I think when you enable roaming under the options there is a warning about "you may" incur fees costing you a lot of money.... I guess "may" being the key word. Good to know, thanks.

dcam1075 said:
If you primarily use your phone in a geographic area that T-Mobile does not have service they may cancel your service. T-Mobile does not pass along costs for roaming to the end user, but it does cost T-Mobile a ton for roaming. If you just travel through an area without coverage no big deal, but if the bulk of your usage is on a roaming partners network they reserve the right to cancel your service.
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This may also work to get out of a contract. If you happened to be moving to someplace without T-Mobile service you can call them and let them know. I KNOW my brother got out of a contract doing this.

I understand why they are doing it, but that does suck.
I'll just list it as just another reason why I can not wait until my contract ends. Alot of people complain about AT&T, but honestly their service was much better than t-mobiles.

jz9833 said:
I understand why they are doing it, but that does suck.
I'll just list it as just another reason why I can not wait until my contract ends. Alot of people complain about AT&T, but honestly their service was much better than t-mobiles.
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Don't forget way more expensive too.

jz9833 said:
I understand why they are doing it, but that does suck.
I'll just list it as just another reason why I can not wait until my contract ends. Alot of people complain about AT&T, but honestly their service was much better than t-mobiles.
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So you have a Vibrant, but don't like the service.. last I checked the ETF for T-Mobile is $200 or less, and I would be shocked if you got a Vibrant for less than the ETF on your existing contract: priorities, service before the phone!

joshthewaster said:
This may also work to get out of a contract. If you happened to be moving to someplace without T-Mobile service you can call them and let them know. I KNOW my brother got out of a contract doing this.
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Bingo. Sign two years spend a month 100% roaming and get out of a cancellation fee.
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Use the unlock method posted in the development section and use an AT&T sim card.
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So what are the reasons for the cancellation?

This is interesting.... I wouldn't do it because I like TMOB, however, could you force your phone to roam?

zaduma said:
This is interesting.... I wouldn't do it because I like TMOB, however, could you force your phone to roam?
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Settings -> Wireless network -> Mobile Networks -> Network operators ->Search now then select ATT
however it tells me your sim does not allow connections to this operator.... maybe they just don't have roaming allowed where i am .

talltexan said:
Settings -> Wireless network -> Mobile Networks -> Network operators ->Search now then select ATT
however it tells me your sim does not allow connections to this operator.... maybe they just don't have roaming allowed where i am .
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Hm there has got to be a way to bypass this. Now I am intrigued....
If they would have just allowed it, I would have switched back and never thought of it again. Forbidden Fruit Complex.

let me know if you figure it out.

zaduma said:
Hm there has got to be a way to bypass this. Now I am intrigued....
If they would have just allowed it, I would have switched back and never thought of it again. Forbidden Fruit Complex.
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There should be no way to bypass this. T-Mobile specifically restricts roaming in areas where there is sufficient T-Mobile coverage. This is done with the whitelist stored on the SIM card. This can be updated by the carrier, but its not something joe 6-pack can do easily.

Just send your SIM card to the OP, and let him leave it in his phone for a month. Contract terminated!
In all seriousness, taking the Vibrant to AT&T is probably a good bet for the OP. Too bad AT&T doesn't discount out of contract phones like T-Mobile does, though.

Haha. Just send me your sim and I am sure I can get it terminated. I use around 4000 text a month and maybe 1200 minutes a month and 90% of that is roaming on att.
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[HELP] How to defeat data throttling

There is a thread at G2 forum about it and I did his method on my Mytouch 4g and it seems that the internet speed is still being throttled after.
What I did:
1) I install update-Ice-Glacier-v1.1.1-Themed_signed
2) I turn on data roaming and download Phone info and set to WDCMA only
3) I modify the service.jar successfully and install it into my phone
I get a nice 6Mbits/sec a few minutes but afterwards the speed goes down to 0.02Mbits/sec again.
Anyone has an idea how to defeat throttling for this phone?

I think this belongs in the Q&A forum, but I don't think there is anyway around it. From what I understand, they control it on their end. As a person that goes well beyond the 5GB cap per month, they seem to throttle you down for a day then things return back to normal speeds. Others have reported that this has happened to them as well.
If there is something we could do on our end that would be great, but T-Mobile does reserve the right to terminate our data plans if we constantly violate the terms and conditions. There was one person who regularly hits around 30GB a month. If they do cancel data plans, I bet he'd be the first to know.

Aside from going into tmobile corporate and changing it, theres nothing any rom changes are going to do unless you can change your phone number, IMEI numbers.......
If it could be done, it would have been. And they are enforcing it more now with the added tethering plans. 5gb on a phone is a lot, if your using it for tethering, then they have the right to charge you more to keep the network open for others

crypysmoker said:
Aside from going into tmobile corporate and changing it, theres nothing any rom changes are going to do unless you can change your phone number, IMEI numbers.......
If it could be done, it would have been. And they are enforcing it more now with the added tethering plans. 5gb on a phone is a lot, if your using it for tethering, then they have the right to charge you more to keep the network open for others
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Even if you pay for tethering it's still cheaper than home internet, and once HSPA+ is fully rolled out it might even be faster to boot!

If you pay for tethering, will it be truly unlimited?

skyungjae said:
If you pay for tethering, will it be truly unlimited?
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Nothing is truly unlimited. If you consume to many resources in which it effects others you could be limited.

bobsbbq said:
Nothing is truly unlimited. If you consume to many resources in which it effects others you could be limited.
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I suppose I should be more clear. My question is does the 5GB cap/throttle down apply to those who pay for tethering?

skyungjae said:
I suppose I should be more clear. My question is does the 5GB cap/throttle down apply to those who pay for tethering?
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Yes, it applies to every TMobile's data plans

skyungjae said:
I suppose I should be more clear. My question is does the 5GB cap/throttle down apply to those who pay for tethering?
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YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Q&A Please!!!!!!!!!!!

skyungjae said:
I suppose I should be more clear. My question is does the 5GB cap/throttle down apply to those who pay for tethering?
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phil1p said:
Yes, it applies to every TMobile's data plans
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I'm not sure this is true, otherwise what would be the point of paying for the plan?

Phateless said:
I'm not sure this is true, otherwise what would be the point of paying for the plan?
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Because since they have the different data plans now like 250mb etc..., the tehtering is just an added choice.
But yes, on all "unlimited" plans there is a 5gb cap, and then its their choice by your area and usage to throttle you or not.
I have actually gotten up to 250gb before the tiered plans came out before I was throttled. I was in an area that didnt have internet access and had to tether my pc and Ps3. Was interesting to explain in store why my use was so high lol

crypysmoker said:
Because since they have the different data plans now like 250mb etc..., the tehtering is just an added choice.
But yes, on all "unlimited" plans there is a 5gb cap, and then its their choice by your area and usage to throttle you or not.
I have actually gotten up to 250gb before the tiered plans came out before I was throttled. I was in an area that didnt have internet access and had to tether my pc and Ps3. Was interesting to explain in store why my use was so high lol
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and I thought 30GB's a month was high.

skyungjae said:
and I thought 30GB's a month was high.
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lol.. I was even told I wasnt the worst.

Please post questions in Q&A section.

crypysmoker said:
lol.. I was even told I wasnt the worst.
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HA!
I guess the "tethering plan" only applies if you're using one of T-mobile's tethering apps, but I don't know why any of us would do that. All you need is PDANet and then they can't tell the difference between data usage and "data usage."
Even the stock android usb tether is available. I fail to understand what exactly we are paying for, if not a higher cap.

Anybody cares to share his Kung Fu to disable throttling on this phone please

skyungjae said:
If you pay for tethering, will it be truly unlimited?
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Nope still the same cap 5gb even if you pay for tmo tv as well easytether and pdanet arte not identified by tmobile your ua string is.
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Mrdaviso said:
Nope still the same cap 5gb even if you pay for tmo tv as well easytether and pdanet arte not identified by tmobile your ua string is.
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what's a ua string?

Phateless said:
what's a ua string?
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Check out my thread on this....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=845225
Here's a walk through I also did.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=9306107&postcount=17

i dont really see how you guys are having issues, i go over 5GB's (by quite a bit some months) at least 10 months outta the year, even with my blackberry (a while ago)... in the last 9 years with T-Mo (had smartphones+data for 5 of those years) i have gotted 2 txt's that i would be throttled (and then it never even happened) and thats IT!... maybe because they can tell ive been with T-mo even longer than DTK (deutche telekom), when i signed up it was voicestream and powertel... or maybe because i have so many phones (3 dealer lines, 1 data line + 4 full retail price lines in Family plan)
now i get HSPA+ at home (not that that matters too much with a 30/10 pipe) and my data usage has been higher, ive been using my phone to stream HD movies and TV from the house to wherever the hell i happen to be (watch movies and tv at work???? nawwww, why would i do that?)

Sprint is cancelling my service

So, Sprint called me today to inform me that they are dropping my service because of excessive data roaming. They are not charging me an ETF and they are giving my 250$ deposit back. I am not upset about that, I am upset about not being able to use my Evo and the community that comes with it. I will miss the HTC XDA community if I have to go to Motorola or LG or SE.
My only choice when it comes to coverage is Verizon. The only phone that seems to be on the horizon is the Bionic that comes with LTE. I don't want the Droid X or Droid 2 because LTE is about to launch and would enjoy to have it, along with that sweet sweet dual core. Bionic seems to be the best bet, but I remember hearing something LG dropping a phone soon too.
My main question is, what Android phones are coming out this year with LTE and dual core? I don't mind being without phone service for a few months waiting.

wow, may I ask what your excessive data usage amounted to?

elegantai said:
wow, may I ask what your excessive data usage amounted to?
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Of course.
It wasn't really excessive it was just that the majority of it was roaming. I only get Verizon coverage at work where I use my phone the most (when it comes to data, have WiFi at home) so I used the PRL hack to be on it all the time. I heard about them being upset about this and I was expecting at least a warning but they are straight up dropping my service.
My average data usage was 4 to 5GB on roaming with around 300-400mb on Sprint for the past 4-5 months.

Noob question...how do you know you are recieving roaming data? I have been complaining about horrible data speeds and told them i want to cancle with no fee. They said they basically base that off of calls dropped.and not data. I uae my phone minimal for calling but data is another story and it is horribly slow.

Verizon has a HTC android coming out soon, it's suppose to be a really good one. Sorry I cannot remember the name of it, but when I get a chance I will post it back in here with a link for you. Sorry to hear about Sprint. Did you use the data hack by any chance?(sorry, posted above) If so that's why I never jumped on board with that. Good luck, hopefully you'll still be here on XDA.
http://www.htc.com/us/products/thunderbolt-verizon Here you go.....HTC Thunderbolt

Doesn't the Unlimited Plan include free roaming?? Where is there verbiage about "excessive roaming"??

that sucks. Unlike some ISP's for land lines which come to agreements so each can freely use the others networks, I don't think any wireless providers do anything of the sorts. While its ****ty they didnt give you a warning, i'm sure they were probably paying up the ass to verizon.
Well, best of luck to you!

Advice: search around here and see the threads on how to use your EVO on Boost Mobile.

skillzo1 said:
Noob question...how do you know you are recieving roaming data? I have been complaining about horrible data speeds and told them i want to cancle with no fee. They said they basically base that off of calls dropped.and not data. I uae my phone minimal for calling but data is another story and it is horribly slow.
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If you go to the Sprint website and look at your usage. There will be a roaming section in the data usage there.

SilverStone641 said:
Doesn't the Unlimited Plan include free roaming?? Where is there verbiage about "excessive roaming"??
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It's there....in the fine print.

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It's there....in the fine print.
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Yeah the fine print. if you go read the official data usage section it states that no more than 300mb may be used per month. Hints why 4-5gb got your service dropped instantly. You just let Verizon run over sprint then reverse and run them over with that bill they had to pay.
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aray92 said:
Yeah the fine print. if you go read the official data usage section it states that no more than 300mb may be used per month. Hints why 4-5gb got your service dropped instantly. You just let Verizon run over sprint then reverse and run them over with that bill they had to pay.
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Actually the 300MB is for data cards. There is no roaming limit. They will cancel you if the majority of your usage is roaming and towers over Sprints.
I'll keep my eye on the Bionic and the Thunderbolt. Hopefully Motorola will work with the community and not have locked bootloaders.

Correct the roaming is for minute usage not data. People get kicked for the talk not data. Data roaming booting applies to data cards as well not phones but you will be charged overages on phone data roaming.
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Just occurred to me that if I want a quick exit from my Sprint contract sans ETF, maybe I should flash a VZW PRL and start hitting the 3g network hard.

ZachPA said:
Just occurred to me that if I want a quick exit from my Sprint contract sans ETF, maybe I should flash a VZW PRL and start hitting the 3g network hard.
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Pretty much what happened to me after a few months.

DirtyShroomz said:
Correct the roaming is for minute usage not data. People get kicked for the talk not data. Data roaming booting applies to data cards as well not phones but you will be charged overages on phone data roaming.
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That is not correct. I am being dropped for data roaming on my Evo. No charges or anything are being applied to it.

There is somewhat if a simple solution. Tell them you roam mostly at home and they will send you a free airave (you have to push to get it for free). Basically it is a small sprint tower that goes thru your local ISP. Ooonce powered up, about two hours) it works flawless.
Best of luck
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engagedtosmile said:
That is not correct. I am being dropped for data roaming on my Evo. No charges or anything are being applied to it.
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Well, DS works for sprint. Maybe you should PM him your number so he can fix those missing data roaming charges.

SilverStone641 said:
Doesn't the Unlimited Plan include free roaming?? Where is there verbiage about "excessive roaming"??
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If you log into your Sprint account and look under your plan details it says 500 mb of roaming data.
The EVO you wish you had

They say that there is such things that are "unlimited", but it's not really. They just set a cap so high that they believe no one will hit. Altell used to do this with their messaging plans.
It's kind of crappy that they're doing this to you, but I would avoid any Moto product unless the C-mod gets ported to it quickly. Motorola phones from what I've seen and used of them, are terrible. Moto Blur sucks, and build quality isn't bad but they have awkward builds. Decent battery life in them, and decent support for their high end devices. But that's about it.

Sprint "capping" data?

My cousin's boyfriend just bought 2 verizon stores and he is telling me that Sprint caps ur data limit to 5 GB a month, then limits ur download/upload after that limit (to like 2G speeds). Can anyone confirm this?
I know T-Mobile does, but never heard of Sprint, ATT, or Verizon doing it.

Overstew said:
My cousin's boyfriend just bought 2 verizon stores and he is telling me that Sprint caps ur data limit to 5 GB a month, then limits ur download/upload after that limit (to like 2G speeds). Can anyone confirm this?
I know T-Mobile does, but never heard of Sprint, ATT, or Verizon doing it.
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I know people that have gone over 5 GB a month on 3G and Sprint did nothing of the sort.

Overstew said:
My cousin's boyfriend just bought 2 verizon stores and he is telling me that Sprint caps ur data limit to 5 GB a month, then limits ur download/upload after that limit (to like 2G speeds). Can anyone confirm this?
I know T-Mobile does, but never heard of Sprint, ATT, or Verizon doing it.
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No, they do not.
Sprint only caps data to 5GB for the laptop computer modem cards. There is no cap policy for phone data.
However, if you're using super-huge amounts of data, like 20-50gb, some people have gotten letters asking them to lower that or they'll get relieved of their contract/service. I've used 10gb in a month before with no reprecussions (on SERO). It's considered "adversely affecting the network" (outlined in the contract -- every carrier has this clause).

they do not cap phone data.

jnadke said:
However, if you're using super-huge amounts of data, like 20-50gb, some people have gotten letters asking them to lower that or they'll get relieved of their contract/service. I've used 10gb in a month before. It's considered "adversely affecting the network" (outlined in the contract -- every carrier has this clause).
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When unlimited is really not. Hey, if nothing else, it's how to get out of a contract...

lazyart said:
When unlimited is really not. Hey, if nothing else, it's how to get out of a contract...
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They were just rumors back from the SERO threads.
I think the people in question were more in the 50-100GB range.

Over the last 18 months, I have consistently used 10Gb-15Gb a month and haven't had any speed issues with 4G where I work or 3G where I live. Haven't gotten any letters, either. Back when I had one of their 3G data cards, when it came time to re-up my contract, they took the 'unlimited' off their data card plan and put a 5Gb cap. Didn't effect the phone plans at all, though.

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Overstew said:
My cousin's boyfriend just bought 2 verizon stores and he is telling me that Sprint caps ur data limit to 5 GB a month, then limits ur download/upload after that limit (to like 2G speeds). Can anyone confirm this?
I know T-Mobile does, but never heard of Sprint, ATT, or Verizon doing it.
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I hate the fact that store managers etc. Will lie or assume stupid **** like this without even doing one once of research.
He or she will give this info to someone who will trust their title as "yeah they know what they are talking about" and spread that bs around.
I would constantly have to correct people when I worked at sprint. Most thought I was the asshole until I showed them proof.
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I hate the fact that store managers etc. Will lie or assume stupid **** like this without even doing one once of research.
He or she will give this info to someone who will trust their title as "yeah they know what they are talking about" and spread that bs around.
I would constantly have to correct people when I worked at sprint. Most thought I was the asshole until I showed them proof.
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Lmao!!!! I would love to have you as a sprint rep
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scubafun said:
Over the last 18 months, I have consistently used 10Gb-15Gb a month and haven't had any speed issues with 4G where I work or 3G where I live. Haven't gotten any letters, either. Back when I had one of their 3G data cards, when it came time to re-up my contract, they took the 'unlimited' off their data card plan and put a 5Gb cap. Didn't effect the phone plans at all, though.
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Sprint originally marketed the mobile broadband units as unlimited. I bought one in 2007. At some point they decided 5gb would be the limit. I refused to re-up just so that I could keep the unlimited terms. When I bought my Epic in October I knew I wouldn't need it anymore and told Sprint I was killing it off.
The rep even recognized that I was still on true unlimited and asked me if I was sure I wanted to drop it. i told him I would just use the phone for access. So of course he tried to sell me the hotspot app. Thanks, but no thanks.

There has been a bit of press on this topic because analysts are expecting all carriers to follow att's move in this area. My take: ATT means Absolutely Terrible Throughput.
You heard it here first on xda.
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I believe this is true as well, I have heard about this as well we will soon all have a data cap as well as be paying more on a monthly service charge with all U.S. providers, and theres nothing we can really do. It's just how the cookie crumbles I guess.

I go over 5gb of data on a regular basis...
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Governor Killer?
The new ViperRom has a "Governor Killer" built-in. Apparently Sprint throttles the data speed based on demand. I noticed a huge difference in 3G download speed with the Governor Killer active.

sprint's LTE maybe not unlimited??

if this true, i know alot of people will be leaving sprint. but it doesn't make sense, still unlimited data is the only reason to be with sprint. hopefully will be grandfather in and still have all the data we can eat.
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Spri...E-could-lead-to-end-of-unlimited-data_id24120

tkeyes said:
if this true, i know alot of people will be leaving sprint. but it doesn't make sense, still unlimited data is the only reason to be with sprint. hopefully will be grandfather in and still have all the data we can eat.
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You can never be grandfathered in. When you upgrade your phone to LTE and sign a new contract it will have any new restrictions and price changes. Hopefully it will not happen but if it does they will still need to be cheaper than the competitors or their coverage issues will cause people to switch.

You can possibly just buy the phone at full price and keep your plan. Not sure how they are gonna handle the LTE guess we may find out in Jan.
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5FOOTER said:
You can possibly just buy the phone at full price and keep your plan. Not sure how they are gonna handle the LTE guess we may find out in Jan.
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Yes until your contract runs out and then they are free to change your plan or you sign a new contract with the new plan. If you upgrade riiiiiiighhhht before they change the plans then you can get almost 2 years out of it but doubt they would activate LTE and start selling LTE phones without the rates in place.

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Yes until your contract runs out and then they are free to change your plan or you sign a new contract with the new plan. If you upgrade riiiiiiighhhht before they change the plans then you can get almost 2 years out of it but doubt they would activate LTE and start selling LTE phones without the rates in place.
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that's incorrect, thats what should be the case, but its not ask anyone that had or has an data card, wifi hotspot with sprint. one day it was unlimited data the next day it wasnt. i was still under contract till next year.

tkeyes said:
that's incorrect, thats what should be the case, but its not ask anyone that had or has an data card, wifi hotspot with sprint. one day it was unlimited data the next day it wasnt. i was still under contract till next year.
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Ouch, that is worse. But doesn't it actually say unlimited data in our contract? Then that would get you out of an ETF anyway.

I don't think Sprint will get rid of unlimited data. Sprint has been advertising unlimited data for months and it is definitely a customer catcher, I mean just look at their latest commercial.
Them upgrading to LTE would simply make it even better .

Wild speculation from a no-name idiot "analyst". Did he even bother to read the executive summary of the Network Vision strategy update webcast?

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Wild speculation from a no-name idiot "analyst". Did he even bother to read the executive summary of the Network Vision strategy update webcast?
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Great post.
Let's face it, a lot of these "analyst" are just giving random thoughts based on speculation. We won't know until we get an official word, but I seriously doubt that sprint will be cutting unlimited.
Sprint has already officially said their network is handling all of it's users and not being stressed, especially with the iPhone not even touching the current 4G network, let alone LTE.

HanMan5000 said:
Great post.
Let's face it, a lot of these "analyst" are just giving random thoughts based on speculation. We won't know until we get an official word, but I seriously doubt that sprint will be cutting unlimited.
Sprint has already officially said their network is handling all of it's users and not being stressed, especially with the iPhone not even touching the current 4G network, let alone LTE.
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Sprint has promised to stay unlimited, maybe they'll throttle, but looking at their advertising campaign they better not or else they'll look like hypocrites.... Besides, if Sprint doesn't have unlimited, what's there to stay for? Nothing, and they know it.
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Ouch, that is worse. But doesn't it actually say unlimited data in our contract? Then that would get you out of an ETF anyway.
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maybe i talked to the wrong 3 ppl, it was $80 to get out of it, oh well. the crazy thing is that my clear internet is better then sprint. arent they using the same network.
the "analyst" and we doing the same thing just guessing, till sprint says their plans.