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Dopod Trinity in Toronto

Hi, i currently live in toronto, canada, and i use rogers as my provider. when i put my sim card (from rogers) and turn on the phone, the phone says that it the network cannot find something (provider i think), and i should update my software. it then takes me to the "network connections" where i choose my country, and my provider. i notice that Canada is not in that drop down box. can someone please tell me how i can go about choosing Canada, or do i have to flash with a modded firmware instead of an original firmware? please answer!

Shaolyn said:
Hi, i currently live in toronto, canada, and i use rogers as my provider. when i put my sim card (from rogers) and turn on the phone, the phone says that it the network cannot find something (provider i think), and i should update my software. it then takes me to the "network connections" where i choose my country, and my provider. i notice that Canada is not in that drop down box. can someone please tell me how i can go about choosing Canada, or do i have to flash with a modded firmware instead of an original firmware? please answer!
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Same thing happened here, I live in Brazil and it is not in the drop down list. I just choose dismiss (or something like that) as soon as the first message appears, followed by "do now show message again" (or smth like that).
Been using the phone without any problems so far.

oh yea? ok t hats cool. do you think you can help me out then..
i dont understand what 3G EDGE GPRS are.. like because im with the provider, i do not want to be charged more than just calling people.
when i plug in my sim card, do you know what is supposed to be displayed on the top of the dopod, near the Signal strength?
and could you tell me what each of those three mean? thankss

Shaolyn said:
oh yea? ok t hats cool. do you think you can help me out then..
i dont understand what 3G EDGE GPRS are.. like because im with the provider, i do not want to be charged more than just calling people.
when i plug in my sim card, do you know what is supposed to be displayed on the top of the dopod, near the Signal strength?
and could you tell me what each of those three mean? thankss
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Answer:
3G-Video calling using the secondary camera (which we can't use yet in canada)
EDGE- Basically high speed data transfer (since you are with rogers, I believe there are data plans that support that feature)
GPRS-Never use it, cuz it charges on your airtime using the towers

dms182 said:
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3G-Video calling using the secondary camera (which we can't use yet in canada)
EDGE- Basically high speed data transfer (since you are with rogers, I believe there are data plans that support that feature)
GPRS-Never use it, cuz it charges on your airtime using the towers
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ok, but then if i were to use roger, what should i be seeing near or beside my signal strength? i notice your using fido. what do you see there, because i was thinking of fido as well

Shaolyn said:
ok, but then if i were to use roger, what should i be seeing near or beside my signal strength? i notice your using fido. what do you see there, because i was thinking of fido as well
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In Calgary downtown Rogers services, my CHT9100 can get 3G signal (showed small 3G icon on the top); other places alway has EDGE signal (showed small E icon instead).

watchsat said:
In Calgary downtown Rogers services, my CHT9100 can get 3G signal (showed small 3G icon on the top); other places alway has EDGE signal (showed small E icon instead).
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and for those you do not get charged right?

Shaolyn said:
and for those you do not get charged right?
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Not really, the data(3G/EDGE) services in Canada is way too pricy yet, I change the default setting to "disable" the connections...

watchsat said:
Not really, the data(3G/EDGE) services in Canada is way too pricy yet, I change the default setting to "disable" the connections...
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ok, then normally if i dont want to be charged with anything other than having signal strength and making calls, what normally shows near the signal strength? i guess my question really is: if i dont want EDGE, 3G or UTMS or anything, what should i be seeing beside the signal strength?

Shaolyn said:
ok, then normally if i dont want to be charged with anything other than having signal strength and making calls, what normally shows near the signal strength? i guess my question really is: if i dont want EDGE, 3G or UTMS or anything, what should i be seeing beside the signal strength?
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You can call Rogers and tell them you don't want any data services, then you should see a X icon right beside your signal strength level...

Ok when i put it in it says:
Network Wizard
Your current operator (30272) is not supported. You should obtain an update from your device vendor.
Would you like to select another network provider?
I want to put canada in it.. if anyone knows how to do it please post!!

watchsat said:
In Calgary downtown Rogers services, my CHT9100 can get 3G signal (showed small 3G icon on the top); other places alway has EDGE signal (showed small E icon instead).
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same happen to my P3600 in calgary too. does i didnt know rogers offer 3G service

gwmkwan said:
same happen to my P3600 in calgary too. does i didnt know rogers offer 3G service
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Rogers will provide 3G services in late July, I think what we got is testing signal...

watchsat said:
Rogers will provide 3G services in late July, I think what we got is testing signal...
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Oh really?? Is that the 3G will be available to all Canada customers or just a few cities only?
But I cannot see this announcement in the Rogers website though.

Shaolyn said:
Hi, i currently live in toronto, canada, and i use rogers as my provider. when i put my sim card (from rogers) and turn on the phone, the phone says that it the network cannot find something (provider i think), and i should update my software. it then takes me to the "network connections" where i choose my country, and my provider. i notice that Canada is not in that drop down box. can someone please tell me how i can go about choosing Canada, or do i have to flash with a modded firmware instead of an original firmware? please answer!
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I'm running original HTC WM5 firmware with the GPS it works great on Rogers =/

3G was available in Toronto since early 2007, but at the prices Rogers charges, they can go and **** themselves with a large steel pipe.

sniperess said:
I'm running original HTC WM5 firmware with the GPS it works great on Rogers =/
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i see i see.. but when i put the sim card in, i notice i dont have a full signal.. theres like only 2/4 signal strength. is there any way to make it a full signal strength?

yegor said:
3G was available in Toronto since early 2007, but at the prices Rogers charges, they can go and **** themselves with a large steel pipe.
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i called fido, and apparently (the perosn on the phone told me) that one of the two (3G or EDGE) is not charged. he said something about a price/kb for one of the two, and that the other one doesnt have a charge..

yegor said:
3G was available in Toronto since early 2007, but at the prices Rogers charges, they can go and **** themselves with a large steel pipe.
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Agreed. I disabled all data way back when I had a regular phone. I kept getting random data charges when I never loaded my browser so I just disabled it. Anyway, I get the 3G logo, however, I haven't tested out the transfer rates or anything like that. I don't know if you can boost the signal or anything, I manage to make calls (which are surprisingly perfectly clear) with 1 bar.

I get the Edge logo on my phone in vancouver. I do know that they charge for Edge usage here and there was a big promo for unlimited Edge usage for about $40 bucks per month posted on craigslist.com. I know 3G network has been built, but probably a few good years before it's affordable to use.

Help!! Turn off 3G or Edge on touch 3g

I got a new HTC touch 3g from Asia and have frustrating problem. On ATT network in US, when the call network switches between 3G and Edge the phone network becomes zero ( no bars) and the calls drop.
This is extremely annoying as the ATT network continuously changes from 3g and edge when driving/walking. Is there anyway to switch off 3g/edge because I don't have a data plan and I don't use the phone for internet.
Or is there a way to force it to be only edge?
Any help would be great!

do a search for nodata.cab, it's originally form the Modaco forum but i've seen it over here too, works great!

Thanks! Downloaded and changed the settings in nodata.
Any ideas how I can test that this works? I still see "E" next to the phone bars.
Thanks a lot.

I think this is no solution: NoData only stops data-connections and does not affect the connection-band that is used for communication with the base-stations of the network (for speaking and data). Your problem are the calls not the data connection that you do not use, IMO.
Try this: "Start/Settings/Telephone/Band" (translated from German). There you can preselect the Band(s) that is (are) used for communication globally.

Thanks. I don't have anything called "Band".
I tried using Bandswitch...has anyone tried it?

countdrakc said:
Thanks. I don't have anything called "Band".
I tried using Bandswitch...has anyone tried it?
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This sounds good, I do not know the exact English nomenclature because I have a German version. What type of network is displayed next to phone bars now?

MvBoe said:
I think this is no solution: NoData only stops data-connections and does not affect the connection-band that is used for communication with the base-stations of the network (for speaking and data). Your problem are the calls not the data connection that you do not use, IMO.
Try this: "Start/Settings/Telephone/Band" (translated from German). There you can preselect the Band(s) that is (are) used for communication globally.
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You're right! i was mislead by the question (how to turn of 3G or Edge).

surf and talk

is there anyway or any application that is out there that will let you browse the web and talk om the phone at the same time?

If you have GSM then you can do that without any special app. If you have CDMA then you can't do that unless you're connected via wifi.

Yup wifi and phone works really well LOL...

you can do this with t mobile???? I know att just came out with this on their network i dont believe this is possible with t mobile

bokechukwu1 said:
you can do this with t mobile???? I know att just came out with this on their network i dont believe this is possible with t mobile
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Just came out? AFAIK 3G on AT&T's network thats one of the benefits. I believe all 3G smartphones that had web browsing had voice capabilities at the same time... that's part of what 3G on a GSM network creates.

You can talk and surf in AT&T 3G network for sure. I am not sure if it works on T-mobile though. I would think it should, as it looks like it depends on technology and not the network itself!

bokechukwu1 said:
you can do this with t mobile???? I know att just came out with this on their network i dont believe this is possible with t mobile
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i just tested this the other day after watching a commercial asking if my phone and carrier could do it. answer....yes! i called my wife, put the phone on speaker phone, opened opera and browsed, opened google maps and checked out some street view and did a little binging. worked great all the while talking on speaker phone in the background.
edit: i was on a 3g connection.

jlavoie said:
i just tested this the other day after watching a commercial asking if my phone and carrier could do it. answer....yes! i called my wife, put the phone on speaker phone, opened opera and browsed, opened google maps and checked out some street view and did a little binging. worked great all the while talking on speaker phone in the background.
edit: i was on a 3g connection.
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So I guess AT&T is full of crap! Hmmm whats new!!!LOL
Yea you can do this only with 3G connection. Cuz you are using E to talk I would assume! And 3G for data...

this is only possible using a GSM network(at&t, t-mobile...etc) without using wifi.
3g makes no difference in this situation.Verizon & Sprint run on CDMA networks and is not possible to "talk & surf" at the same time

ai6908 said:
So I guess AT&T is full of crap! Hmmm whats new!!!LOL
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Well the commercial is a response commercial to Verizon's ads... so at least in this case they aren't full of crap. Verizon's 3G network is based on EV-DO Rev A. You get the speeds of a 3G GSM connection but you don't get the simul voice/data functionality.
joeyc1123 said:
this is only possible using a GSM network(at&t, t-mobile...etc) without using wifi.
3g makes no difference in this situation.Verizon & Sprint run on CDMA networks and is not possible to "talk & surf" at the same time
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AT&T does not support browse/talk on its Edge network. So if your phone steps down to an Edge connection you lose that ability. AFAIK Edge CAN support the functionality its just that AT&T doesn't support it.

I will check on verizon when I get a chance, but if you look in the Kaiser forum, I showed everyone there in a thread how to get this functionality b'c the carriers (US) usually strip it out to preserve bandwidth. It has to do with the RIL settings in your provisioning xml. beeen a few years, but it is there if you want to dig. Look in kaiser rom development. Also, it has to be cooked in. the provisioning registry changes will always revert back to OEM settings if not cooked in.

It is not a matter of carrier but a matter of technology. Edge and 3G are akin to narrowband and broadband for landlines. Just like you can't talk and surf the web and talk on the phone on dialup but can on DSL. It's simply a matter of bandwidth.

To explain this in a more simple matter, 3g is essentially a CDMA connection. Being that CDMA carriers use said transmission for voice, they cannot use data and voice simultaneously. However, with t-mobile and at&t, voice is transmitted over the GSM radio and a 2nd radio is present which carries the CDMA 3g technology. If said GSM device looses that 3g service and falls back to edge or gprs, the simultaneous voice and data becomes inoperable. The key part to this is that a 2nd radio transmission takes place to allow the simultaneous transmission of both services. I have often wondered, however, why other carriers like sprint and Verizon don't incorporate a 2nd radio in their devices to simultaneously connect two CDMA transmissions similar to how a TIVO/DVR box works with cable/satellite services to allow the viewing of one channel while recording another. This functionality would allow them to compete with the GSM carriers.

cdma gsm
I know that when I used to work for ATTWS (long time ago), they were freaking out about the new carriers rolling in with CDMA (some with hybrid AMPS and D-AMPS 850 mhz spectrum) because, in theory CDMA should wax TDMA's call load significantly. TDMA, at that time could only hold 3 calls per channel. So about (here comes a geeky number) every 6.67 ms the calls on the channel would switch functions. Only one could TX, one could RX, and the other was Idle.... this was all transparent to the caller of course.. CDMA rolls around with the theory that becasue it's data piggy backed on the channel, it would increase their call handling ability 10 fold. Unfortunately theory didn't work out to real work practicality b/c the new PCS CDMA carriers really had about the same call capacity as everyone else.
Now, I've always touted VZW speeds here in my market bc TMO didn't even have 3g here till like 6 months to a year ago.. .and AT&T's 3G was laugable here in Jacksonville...might as well have kept the E or G icons on the phone for as slow as things ran.... HSDPA and UMTS could put a cramp on VZWs claim to speed...as long as they can get it consistent nationwide... I'd be tempted to leave for the right data speeds.....but for now, I'm in love with my overpriced VZW plan because of the coverage, quality, and speed..... who knows what tomorrow will bring.
Sorry for the long post, but it takes a bit to explain it.. (even though most of you know it.)
Thanks,
Nate

its working for me i'm on the phone talking while surfing now i have been doing it for about 30 minutes with no disconnection

gfloyd45 said:
its working for me i'm on the phone talking while surfing now i have been doing it for about 30 minutes with no disconnection
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I can only do talk and surf if I have wifi on.....I cant do it otherwise Do you have to do anything special to get the talk and surf to work on GSM on ATT?

Surf and talk on Att !?
bsg411 said:
I can only do talk and surf if I have wifi on.....I cant do it otherwise Do you have to do anything special to get the talk and surf to work on GSM on ATT?
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Can anybody do this without being on wifi ?

bsg411 said:
I can only do talk and surf if I have wifi on.....I cant do it otherwise Do you have to do anything special to get the talk and surf to work on GSM on ATT?
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When you say it doesn't work for you, does your notification bar show 3G-or-H or does it show E? It won't work if it's E.

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When you say it doesn't work for you, does your notification bar show 3G-or-H or does it show E? It won't work if it's E.
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Yes my phone shows H when I'm trying to surf and talk. I think since I have a cooked rom, it may have altered my stock internet configuration and proxy settings or something and now it doesnt work.....idunno......thats my guess. Hoping one of you guys have the answer.

Thats definitely the problem make sure proxy is off and your connections setting are going to the MEdiaNet server and that should fix it.

Voice and Internet Issue

I have a new HD2. It drops my internet connection when i get a call and does not seem to reconnect...I'm in the US, any thoughts. I thought both voice and internet can co exist. Thanks in advance

SDBArbifox said:
I have a new HD2. It drops my internet connection when i get a call and does not seem to reconnect...I'm in the US, any thoughts. I thought both voice and internet can co exist. Thanks in advance
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This is only true with phones that use 3G. The phone and EDGE (data without 3G) use the same radio. 3G uses a different radio so both phone and data can be used at the same time.

Thanks....BUT THAT SUCKS ... I guess I will have to buy the G3 version or get the Service Manual to enable the G3 US like you could due with the original HD.

I have a problem with the answer and some thinking ...Voice is over GSM(G) and Data is over Edge(E) why would it be dropped? I think that is 2 different radio Freq...

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I have a problem with the answer and some thinking ...Voice is over GSM(G) and Data is over Edge(E) why would it be dropped? I think that is 2 different radio Freq...
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G & E use the same freq.

SDBArbifox said:
Thanks....BUT THAT SUCKS ... I guess I will have to buy the G3 version or get the Service Manual to enable the G3 US like you could due with the original HD.
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How would you enable 3G in the US when the radio does not support the US 3g frequencies?

I'm getting this also, but in Singapore and we do have a 3g network. even have the 3g logo showing up on the singal.

Voice & Data Same Time

My stock TMO HD2 does not allow data while using voice. Is anyone else having this issue?

jokka81 said:
My stock TMO HD2 does not allow data while using voice. Is anyone else having this issue?
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hum! wierd nope not me

jokka81 said:
My stock TMO HD2 does not allow data while using voice. Is anyone else having this issue?
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Are you in 2G?

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My stock TMO HD2 does not allow data while using voice. Is anyone else having this issue?
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gprs/edge can only be either data or voice. You shouldnt have this problem with 3g turned on.

It says 3g most of the time. I am in Chicago which has excellent 3g coverage. My TP2 never had this issue stock or cooked ROM.

I was under the assumption that only ATT had this capability.

Both T-Mobile and AT&T have the ability to handle voice and data simultaneously. I have found that the HD2 sometimes drops to 2g even though there is great 3g coverage here. I will say that the Nexus One was MUCH worse about this as it only allowed me to succesfully browse while talking one time over a three month period of ownership.

im in philadelphia and hav the same issuse now i know that the 3g server says voice and data and i hav seen sum things with data while in a call but not picture message i do remember seeing gps weather and facebook updates