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surf and talk

is there anyway or any application that is out there that will let you browse the web and talk om the phone at the same time?

If you have GSM then you can do that without any special app. If you have CDMA then you can't do that unless you're connected via wifi.

Yup wifi and phone works really well LOL...

you can do this with t mobile???? I know att just came out with this on their network i dont believe this is possible with t mobile

bokechukwu1 said:
you can do this with t mobile???? I know att just came out with this on their network i dont believe this is possible with t mobile
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Just came out? AFAIK 3G on AT&T's network thats one of the benefits. I believe all 3G smartphones that had web browsing had voice capabilities at the same time... that's part of what 3G on a GSM network creates.

You can talk and surf in AT&T 3G network for sure. I am not sure if it works on T-mobile though. I would think it should, as it looks like it depends on technology and not the network itself!

bokechukwu1 said:
you can do this with t mobile???? I know att just came out with this on their network i dont believe this is possible with t mobile
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i just tested this the other day after watching a commercial asking if my phone and carrier could do it. answer....yes! i called my wife, put the phone on speaker phone, opened opera and browsed, opened google maps and checked out some street view and did a little binging. worked great all the while talking on speaker phone in the background.
edit: i was on a 3g connection.

jlavoie said:
i just tested this the other day after watching a commercial asking if my phone and carrier could do it. answer....yes! i called my wife, put the phone on speaker phone, opened opera and browsed, opened google maps and checked out some street view and did a little binging. worked great all the while talking on speaker phone in the background.
edit: i was on a 3g connection.
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So I guess AT&T is full of crap! Hmmm whats new!!!LOL
Yea you can do this only with 3G connection. Cuz you are using E to talk I would assume! And 3G for data...

this is only possible using a GSM network(at&t, t-mobile...etc) without using wifi.
3g makes no difference in this situation.Verizon & Sprint run on CDMA networks and is not possible to "talk & surf" at the same time

ai6908 said:
So I guess AT&T is full of crap! Hmmm whats new!!!LOL
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Well the commercial is a response commercial to Verizon's ads... so at least in this case they aren't full of crap. Verizon's 3G network is based on EV-DO Rev A. You get the speeds of a 3G GSM connection but you don't get the simul voice/data functionality.
joeyc1123 said:
this is only possible using a GSM network(at&t, t-mobile...etc) without using wifi.
3g makes no difference in this situation.Verizon & Sprint run on CDMA networks and is not possible to "talk & surf" at the same time
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AT&T does not support browse/talk on its Edge network. So if your phone steps down to an Edge connection you lose that ability. AFAIK Edge CAN support the functionality its just that AT&T doesn't support it.

I will check on verizon when I get a chance, but if you look in the Kaiser forum, I showed everyone there in a thread how to get this functionality b'c the carriers (US) usually strip it out to preserve bandwidth. It has to do with the RIL settings in your provisioning xml. beeen a few years, but it is there if you want to dig. Look in kaiser rom development. Also, it has to be cooked in. the provisioning registry changes will always revert back to OEM settings if not cooked in.

It is not a matter of carrier but a matter of technology. Edge and 3G are akin to narrowband and broadband for landlines. Just like you can't talk and surf the web and talk on the phone on dialup but can on DSL. It's simply a matter of bandwidth.

To explain this in a more simple matter, 3g is essentially a CDMA connection. Being that CDMA carriers use said transmission for voice, they cannot use data and voice simultaneously. However, with t-mobile and at&t, voice is transmitted over the GSM radio and a 2nd radio is present which carries the CDMA 3g technology. If said GSM device looses that 3g service and falls back to edge or gprs, the simultaneous voice and data becomes inoperable. The key part to this is that a 2nd radio transmission takes place to allow the simultaneous transmission of both services. I have often wondered, however, why other carriers like sprint and Verizon don't incorporate a 2nd radio in their devices to simultaneously connect two CDMA transmissions similar to how a TIVO/DVR box works with cable/satellite services to allow the viewing of one channel while recording another. This functionality would allow them to compete with the GSM carriers.

cdma gsm
I know that when I used to work for ATTWS (long time ago), they were freaking out about the new carriers rolling in with CDMA (some with hybrid AMPS and D-AMPS 850 mhz spectrum) because, in theory CDMA should wax TDMA's call load significantly. TDMA, at that time could only hold 3 calls per channel. So about (here comes a geeky number) every 6.67 ms the calls on the channel would switch functions. Only one could TX, one could RX, and the other was Idle.... this was all transparent to the caller of course.. CDMA rolls around with the theory that becasue it's data piggy backed on the channel, it would increase their call handling ability 10 fold. Unfortunately theory didn't work out to real work practicality b/c the new PCS CDMA carriers really had about the same call capacity as everyone else.
Now, I've always touted VZW speeds here in my market bc TMO didn't even have 3g here till like 6 months to a year ago.. .and AT&T's 3G was laugable here in Jacksonville...might as well have kept the E or G icons on the phone for as slow as things ran.... HSDPA and UMTS could put a cramp on VZWs claim to speed...as long as they can get it consistent nationwide... I'd be tempted to leave for the right data speeds.....but for now, I'm in love with my overpriced VZW plan because of the coverage, quality, and speed..... who knows what tomorrow will bring.
Sorry for the long post, but it takes a bit to explain it.. (even though most of you know it.)
Thanks,
Nate

its working for me i'm on the phone talking while surfing now i have been doing it for about 30 minutes with no disconnection

gfloyd45 said:
its working for me i'm on the phone talking while surfing now i have been doing it for about 30 minutes with no disconnection
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I can only do talk and surf if I have wifi on.....I cant do it otherwise Do you have to do anything special to get the talk and surf to work on GSM on ATT?

Surf and talk on Att !?
bsg411 said:
I can only do talk and surf if I have wifi on.....I cant do it otherwise Do you have to do anything special to get the talk and surf to work on GSM on ATT?
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Can anybody do this without being on wifi ?

bsg411 said:
I can only do talk and surf if I have wifi on.....I cant do it otherwise Do you have to do anything special to get the talk and surf to work on GSM on ATT?
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When you say it doesn't work for you, does your notification bar show 3G-or-H or does it show E? It won't work if it's E.

MCbrian said:
When you say it doesn't work for you, does your notification bar show 3G-or-H or does it show E? It won't work if it's E.
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Yes my phone shows H when I'm trying to surf and talk. I think since I have a cooked rom, it may have altered my stock internet configuration and proxy settings or something and now it doesnt work.....idunno......thats my guess. Hoping one of you guys have the answer.

Thats definitely the problem make sure proxy is off and your connections setting are going to the MEdiaNet server and that should fix it.

Voice and Internet Issue

I have a new HD2. It drops my internet connection when i get a call and does not seem to reconnect...I'm in the US, any thoughts. I thought both voice and internet can co exist. Thanks in advance

SDBArbifox said:
I have a new HD2. It drops my internet connection when i get a call and does not seem to reconnect...I'm in the US, any thoughts. I thought both voice and internet can co exist. Thanks in advance
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This is only true with phones that use 3G. The phone and EDGE (data without 3G) use the same radio. 3G uses a different radio so both phone and data can be used at the same time.

Thanks....BUT THAT SUCKS ... I guess I will have to buy the G3 version or get the Service Manual to enable the G3 US like you could due with the original HD.

I have a problem with the answer and some thinking ...Voice is over GSM(G) and Data is over Edge(E) why would it be dropped? I think that is 2 different radio Freq...

SDBArbifox said:
I have a problem with the answer and some thinking ...Voice is over GSM(G) and Data is over Edge(E) why would it be dropped? I think that is 2 different radio Freq...
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G & E use the same freq.

SDBArbifox said:
Thanks....BUT THAT SUCKS ... I guess I will have to buy the G3 version or get the Service Manual to enable the G3 US like you could due with the original HD.
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How would you enable 3G in the US when the radio does not support the US 3g frequencies?

I'm getting this also, but in Singapore and we do have a 3g network. even have the 3g logo showing up on the singal.

T-Mobile Users

Anyone having issues with:
Google My Location not working on 3G but working on Edge?
Visual Voicemail not working?

Google maps works fine for me on 3g, E, and G.
Visual Voicemail does not work for me, says I need to upgrade my account.

freeincolorado said:
Google maps works fine for me on 3g, E, and G.
Visual Voicemail does not work for me, says I need to upgrade my account.
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did you have tmobile activate the service on your line? it's free, but you have to request it on the phone or online (I couldn't get the online method to work, so I just called 611)

ATLDON said:
Google My Location not working on 3G but working on Edge?
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freeincolorado said:
Google maps works fine for me on 3g, E, and G.
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OP means my location, not google maps, i think. One uses gps, the other uses cell id.
In which case, perhaps the 3g network isn't issuing location data, but the gprs network is?
Didn't i read yesterday of someone on tmous (yea yea i know its a big area) saying there was some ongoing network maintenance affecting the 3g network? Could be that...

samsamuel said:
OP means my location, not google maps, i think. One uses gps, the other uses cell id.
In which case, perhaps the 3g network isn't issuing location data, but the gprs network is?
Didn't i read yesterday of someone on tmous (yea yea i know its a big area) saying there was some ongoing network maintenance affecting the 3g network? Could be that...
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Most likely because the same problems are on both my HD2 and TP2

Why no voice and data?

I was on the Phone with Dell trying to order my new Sony Bravia TV and I was trying to use the internet so I could give the rep the proper item number. To my surprise I couldnt surf the web and do voice at the same time. I thought on GSM network this was possible. When I had Cingular a few years back this was possible. What gives? Why am I not about to do both at the same time?

That's strange. I've been on the phone and surfed the internet and/or used most of the other functions on the phone at the same time.

I've had no problems talking and surfing at the same time provided I had a 3G signal. Maybe you were in a marginal reception area and the signal wasn't solid but it does work.

I dont know why it didnt work, and it sorta pissed me off, does it have to be 3g in order to do voice and data

937dytboi said:
I dont know why it didnt work, and it sorta pissed me off, does it have to be 3g in order to do voice and data
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Nope. This is my first 3g phone on t-mobile. Never had a problem with edge voice + data

937dytboi said:
I was on the Phone with Dell trying to order my new Sony Bravia TV and I was trying to use the internet so I could give the rep the proper item number. To my surprise I couldnt surf the web and do voice at the same time. I thought on GSM network this was possible. When I had Cingular a few years back this was possible. What gives? Why am I not about to do both at the same time?
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Was data working otherwise in that area? I've been in some areas where data doesn't work at all.

it should have been.

On edge I can't get consistant voice and data with any phone I've ever had, it is more consistant when getting a 3G signal.

You need a 3G signal to do Voice + Data as 2G (G)PRS nor 2.5G (E)DGE have enough bandwidth to support both.

[Q] Not using wifi?

In my work developing an App for localized radar information, I find that when I need information from the internet, my phone doesnt use the wifi, but relys on data usage. My house's wifi is unsecured, and my phone is always connected when in range, but where I do my developing in the house there is scant 3g coverage and mostly Edge coverage. (Kinda inbetween towers where I live)
For example, my Weatherbug App will not load (and sometimes lock up) unless the signal indicator says H or 3G or 4G, while being connected to wifi.
I am new to mobile OS so is there something I am doing wrong or something I have not set on the phone?

I have a very weak signal in my apartment. My phone constantly bounces between no signal and 1 or 2 bars. I find that my DVP works much better when I manually turn off the data connection in the Cellular settings when I want to use wifi as my primary connection.

Your DVP says H or 4G? If so, you have soemhing the rest of us do not..
Sent from my Venue Pro using XDA Windows Phone 7 App

Yeah my carrier put a 4g sim into my DVP and upgraded the radio...Works too, I didnt believe it when I first heard it.

i call shenanigans.

if there was a way to screen cap i would show you...but i do not know of any way thus far.
speaking of which, what radio version do you guys have? I got radio software 2.2.50.18, is that any different?

Thunder_47 said:
if there was a way to screen cap i would show you...but i do not know of any way thus far.
speaking of which, what radio version do you guys have? I got radio software 2.2.50.18, is that any different?
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I have that same radio in my at&t dvp. Bottom line is that the phone does not ship with a 4g capable radio. No SIM card changes that fact. Don't let the goons at the phone store fool you.

venelar said:
I have that same radio in my at&t dvp. Bottom line is that the phone does not ship with a 4g capable radio. No SIM card changes that fact. Don't let the goons at the phone store fool you.
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I agree. DVP is not 4G capable.

hey they offered a free upgrade and I took it...but I havent been able to connect to a 4g network so maybe they WERE fooling me....either way the Wifi issue has been solved so no more discussion on this if you would please.

who faced the same?