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So whenever Sprint pushes its 2.1 update, will those of us with rooted heroes and custom roms have to unroot in order to receive the update? Or will we have to wait for the custom roms to support 2.1?
Just wondering, because I really want and like 2.1 but I don't want to wipe my data.
More than likely the debate here will have a 2.1 build that's fully functional long before Sprint pushes one but even if they don't after it. Gets pushed out the debate here will have one that supports root. If you ruu and take the ota update it may correct the security exploit that was used to root so you would have to wait until someone found a way to root it again.
Be pacient we have great devs on here it will only be a matter of time.
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basically, wait until we have a ROM here to upgrade, don't get OTA if you want to keep root access. You might not be able to get it back
Source code released yesterday, so won't be much longer.
bye the time sprint pushes an update, there will be 3 other android phones to chose from.
edit: new android phones at sprint i mean
Yeah, Sprint sucks with updates being released in a timely manner. With my bberry, I was always using other carriers to update.
So I guess the consensus is to wait for our devs to get a full 2.1 rom working rather than unrooting and upgrading ota.
When the new dev roms come out, I was also wondering if I could save all my data, or how i could save all my data if a wipe was required.
If your phone is rooted, I would recommend an app from the market called "Backup for Root Users".
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If your phone is rooted, I would recommend an app from the market called "Backup for Root Users".
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Thanks. I'll try that. Do you have any experience using it with one of the dev roms that need wipes? I am considering switching from modaco 2.0 to the aosp 2.1 but my concern was getting all my data back.
Ya it works. After you restore everything, you need to hard restart the phone (SEND+MENU+END) or it will be real slow until you do hard reset it.
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So I guess the consensus is to wait for our devs to get a full 2.1 rom working rather than unrooting and upgrading ota.
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There will be a fully functional 2.1 rom here waaaaaaaaaaay before Sprint releases a 2.1 ota
gu1dry said:
If your phone is rooted, I would recommend an app from the market called "Backup for Root Users".
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Maybe there's a special way to do it, or maybe you don't backup everything, but Backup for Root Users totally effed up my restore when I moved from Fresh 1.1 to Modaco 2.0.
Actually, I tried Backup for Root Users, Astro File Manager, Titanium Backup, all of them sucked. (even after a fresh wipe of course)
I finally went back to my Fresh nandroid backup because I was getting so many FC's.
Maybe it was because it copied the APK's + "System Data" that did it, but it certainly didn't work, not smoothly anyway. :/
I've never had issues with Backup for Root Users. It takes time to restore everything & it is highly recommended that you hard reset your phone it it is finished restoring.
kmartburrito said:
Maybe there's a special way to do it, or maybe you don't backup everything, but Backup for Root Users totally effed up my restore when I moved from Fresh 1.1 to Modaco 2.0.
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I've moved from Fresh to MoDaCo without wiping and it has worked just fine.
I have a backup made from Fresh, and I am planning on flashing AOSP 2.1 soon. I'll try the restore tool and tell you how it works. If it doesn't...That's what nandroid backups are for.
I have a question related to this topic. I have a rooted Hero with TTG 1.6 ROM running. Seems like right now, if I wanted to switch to a different ROM like Fresh, all I ever needed to do is copy the zip file to the SD root, reboot while holding the Home button down, and select "Install from .zip" or however it's phrased. When a new 2.1 ROM comes out, would it be that simple, or would there be more steps involved since the ROM isn't based on the current 1.5?
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I've moved from Fresh to MoDaCo without wiping and it has worked just fine.
I have a backup made from Fresh, and I am planning on flashing AOSP 2.1 soon. I'll try the restore tool and tell you how it works. If it doesn't...That's what nandroid backups are for.
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I tried it and im getting FCs all over the place. Back to Fresh and MoDaCo 2.0 for now.
daveydave said:
I have a question related to this topic. I have a rooted Hero with TTG 1.6 ROM running. Seems like right now, if I wanted to switch to a different ROM like Fresh, all I ever needed to do is copy the zip file to the SD root, reboot while holding the Home button down, and select "Install from .zip" or however it's phrased. When a new 2.1 ROM comes out, would it be that simple, or would there be more steps involved since the ROM isn't based on the current 1.5?
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A factory wipe would probably be required (Not the RUU though)
kmartburrito said:
Maybe there's a special way to do it, or maybe you don't backup everything, but Backup for Root Users totally effed up my restore when I moved from Fresh 1.1 to Modaco 2.0.
Actually, I tried Backup for Root Users, Astro File Manager, Titanium Backup, all of them sucked. (even after a fresh wipe of course)
I finally went back to my Fresh nandroid backup because I was getting so many FC's.
Maybe it was because it copied the APK's + "System Data" that did it, but it certainly didn't work, not smoothly anyway. :/
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I never had any luck with backup for root users, it worked on apps but not on anything else. Finally, I bought reware mybackup. It works awesome, restores everything.
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I tried it and im getting FCs all over the place. Back to Fresh and MoDaCo 2.0 for now.
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Could be the whole number of apps issue.
adelaney said:
Could be the whole number of apps issue.
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How many apps does it support? Or is it even that? How much is the reware mybackup software? Do you have a link for it? And will it only work on rooted phones or can the backups be transferred to unrooted ones as well?
ok, I have had both the two versions of 2.2 on my phone and I love froyo but in both cases I can not tap on a photo and share it through email. I found a thread with another gmail.apk and I adb pushed it and cleared the program but nothing seems to work. I must have my gmail working. So does anyone know how to fix it or hot to get 2.1 back?
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2.2
Baseband:
2.05.00.06.11
My name is Adam
612.226.7017
I'm guessing you didn't make a nandroid backup before flashing, right?
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I'm guessing you didn't make a nandroid backup before flashing, right?
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No I did, do I just boot in to recovery and then restore?
DeeBG said:
I'm guessing you didn't make a nandroid backup before flashing, right?
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Nice it worked, thank you for the help.
DeeBG said:
I'm guessing you didn't make a nandroid backup before flashing, right?
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Nandroid Backups are not always helpful. I had done a complete Nandroid backup of my 2.1 before I installed 2.2.. and when I wanted to go back.. I wiped 2.2 first and then tried to load from the nandroid backup. the backup worked.. but it was extremely buggy.. kept rebooting and freezing all the time.
Fortunately, the latest 2.2 that came out a couple of days ago worked well for me.
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Nandroid Backups are not always helpful. I had done a complete Nandroid backup of my 2.1 before I installed 2.2.. and when I wanted to go back.. I wiped 2.2 first and then tried to load from the nandroid backup. the backup worked.. but it was extremely buggy.. kept rebooting and freezing all the time.
Fortunately, the latest 2.2 that came out a couple of days ago worked well for me.
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The only reason I went back to 2.1 is because both of the 2.2's i loaded would not let me send pictures through email. I loaded different Gmail.apk's and nothing would fix the problem, I loved 2.2 but cant live with out a working Gmail.apk
I have an Aria and I was going to update it to the AT&T Froyo build that just came out today. The phone is not rooted.
If I use Astro to make a backup of my personal data, when I try to load the backup AT&T's restriction message pops up about not allowing third party apps.
So is there any app that can make a backup that does not run into AT&T's sideloading block?
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I have an Aria and I was going to update it to the AT&T Froyo build that just came out today. The phone is not rooted.
If I use Astro to make a backup of my personal data, when I try to load the backup AT&T's restriction message pops up about not allowing third party apps.
So is there any app that can make a backup that does not run into AT&T's sideloading block?
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If you root your phone, you will have much better options available to backup your phone. First using ClockworkMod Recovery you would be able to do a full 'nandroid' backup which will preserve your current running system in full and would allow you to revert back if you didn't like something new.
Second, it would allow you to flash a rooted version of the AT&T Froyo 2.2 update and if you didn't like it allow you to restore your previous 'nandroid' backup.
If you simply you a backup app on your non-rooted system and you run the stock AT&T Froyo update, you will not be able to go back.
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If you root your phone, you will have much better options available to backup your phone. First using ClockworkMod Recovery you would be able to do a full 'nandroid' backup which will preserve your current running system in full and would allow you to revert back if you didn't like something new.
Second, it would allow you to flash a rooted version of the AT&T Froyo 2.2 update and if you didn't like it allow you to restore your previous 'nandroid' backup.
If you simply you a backup app on your non-rooted system and you run the stock AT&T Froyo update, you will not be able to go back.
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Well the phone isn't mine, it's my sister's and she usually is petrified when it comes to hacking electronics I know the many benefits of rooting and if it weren't on the stock AT&T build I know this wouldn't be an issue. But is there any other alternative for an unrooted Aria?
I think it is utterly dumb for AT&T and HTC to say "we have an update for you but you will lose your data unless you back it up" and when you try to back it up they don't let you because AT&T has closed off sideloading. Of course this wouldn't be an issue if AT&T themselves provided a way to backup the phone but they do not and thats where my frustration lies.
You won't be able to make a ROM backup because it has no recovery. You can backup apps and then install by allowing unknown sources, or you can move them to the SD. only the phone ROM will be deleted. Not your SD or SIM
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You won't be able to make a ROM backup because it has no recovery. You can backup apps and then install by allowing unknown sources, or you can move them to the SD. only the phone ROM will be deleted. Not your SD or SIM
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But in the Aria they have removed the option to allow Unknown Sources, which is my main problem.
On the last minor update the Aria had, I used Astro to make a backup of the apps and files. After I completed the update, I installed Astro and when I tried to load the backup there was a message that popped up that said the phone could not accept data from unknown sources.
Also, the Aria is on 2.1 right now so I cannot move the apps to SD because that feature is only in 2.2.
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But in the Aria they have removed the option to allow Unknown Sources, which is my main problem.
On the last minor update the Aria had, I used Astro to make a backup of the apps and files. After I completed the update, I installed Astro and when I tried to load the backup there was a message that popped up that said the phone could not accept data from unknown sources.
Also, the Aria is on 2.1 right now so I cannot move the apps to SD because that feature is only in 2.2.
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They removed it? Maybe it starts in 2.2? Go look on the market for app2sd. Anyways I know liberated FR007 and 8 had unknown sources. 2.1 did not and i don't know about 2.2. Remember if you update to 2.2 through at&t you cannot root your phone as it fixes hboot exploit. There may not be a work around, even though it is your sisters I would think about rooting it if not just to backup your stuff
I am using HTC Aria rooted with clockwork 2.5 and cyanogenmod 7, with hboot .57
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They removed it? Maybe it starts in 2.2? Go look on the market for app2sd. Anyways I know liberated FR007 and 8 had unknown sources. 2.1 did not and i don't know about 2.2. Remember if you update to 2.2 through at&t you cannot root your phone as it fixes hboot exploit. There may not be a work around, even though it is your sisters I would think about rooting it if not just to backup your stuff
I am using HTC Aria rooted with clockwork 2.5 and cyanogenmod 7, with hboot .57
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Ok I will check out Apps 2 SD and see if that works. As long as I can save the apps without my sis having to go back and reinstall everything it will be worth it.
So I have a rooted play on 2.3.3.
Previously I used OTA to update and keep my root.
However, the latest update will not apply. It downloads, installs...then says can't apply.
I have not removed any apps, and I have unfroze the apps I froze.
So, looks like I am going to have to do a complete roll back and update again.
If I do a complete backup in Titanium, can I simply reinstall everything easily once I get back?
ps. What is the best way to do this so I can keep my root. Previously I downgraded, then rooted, then updated via OTA.
Thanks!
Yes you will be able to restore your TB, when updated, with no problems.
Yes just do it as previously and the OTA to newest firmware will still preserve root.
Regards Dousan...
Thanks Dousan.
Any thoughts on why the OTA update is failing currently?
Red_Kop said:
Thanks Dousan.
Any thoughts on why the OTA update is failing currently?
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I've seen a few with the same issue as you. They also only froze bloat but still no success when OTA after defrost? It might not like any tampering at all with system apps whether it's just freezing or modifying them. Any kind of tampering might leave a trail SE updates detects and then abort updating. Just a guess.
You're welcome, just glad to help out
Regards Dousan...
I unfroze my apps (didnt remove anything off the phone) and applied the ota update no problems . Maybe as Dousan has said you froze something that is safe to uninstall/freeze but once unfroze it is possibly not be running properly or SE has detected it being modified in someway.
Also if you have the pro version of titanium make more than one backup or make another backup of the most important apps data individually since sometimes the backups may be corrupt (might not happen, but better safe than sorry).
Freezing something that is not safe does not affect the ota updating. It's when you delete something that is safe that screws it. I ota updated to the xloud patch with about 15 stock programs frozen.
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I didn't delete anything so it must be something else.
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I didn't delete anything so it must be something else.
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Have you at some point installed the leaked SE launcher or Android market or the camera mod? Have you done any modding with UOT kitchen or installed @thomassafca's Samsung theme?
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I didn't install the launcher BUT...
I did install the camera mod.
Is this the one that lets you take pics with the R button and focus with L?
https://market.android.com/details?id=seb.camera.mod&feature=search_result
I thought that was ok since it didn't need root.
ps. if I unistall it, do you think update will work?
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I didn't install the launcher BUT...
I did install the camera mod.
Is this the one that lets you take pics with the R button and focus with L?
https://market.android.com/details?id=seb.camera.mod&feature=search_result
I thought that was ok since it didn't need root.
ps. if I unistall it, do you think update will work?
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It might, though I don't think so as it installs in /data/app as other non stock/system apps. Try it out it wouldn't hurt.
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Nah, it didn't fix it.
I think I will wait until the big update comes out and go the way of downgrading then rooting then updating clean.
Must have been something I did.
I simply can't figure this out. I have an A500 that I have rooted successfully back a few months ago and installed HoneyVillain 1.04 ROM. It has worked flawlessly for months. Now I can't get root access with Titanium BU, BusyBox, Root Explorer or anything! I've tried re-rooting it using GingerBreak 1.2 with no success. I can access a backup that I made right after I rooted a few months ago, but that doesn't bring back root either. Can someone please tell me what to do before I make a 10.1" frisbee out of this thing. The tab's batery has been allowed to go completely dead once, but I don't think that would be the problem. I'd like to install the latest version of HoneyVillain if I can get root back. I sincerely appreciate anyone's help.
Sounds weird. You hadn't flashed anything else had you or installed a system update?
What's your kernel version & build number?
Have you tried using IconiaRoot?
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I simply can't figure this out. I have an A500 that I have rooted successfully back a few months ago and installed HoneyVillain 1.04 ROM. It has worked flawlessly for months. Now I can't get root access with Titanium BU, BusyBox, Root Explorer or anything! I've tried re-rooting it using GingerBreak 1.2 with no success. I can access a backup that I made right after I rooted a few months ago, but that doesn't bring back root either. Can someone please tell me what to do before I make a 10.1" frisbee out of this thing. The tab's batery has been allowed to go completely dead once, but I don't think that would be the problem. I'd like to install the latest version of HoneyVillain if I can get root back. I sincerely appreciate anyone's help.
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Did you by chance do a restore using cwm..? Every time I did a full restore I would loose root.
I haven't flashed anything and no system update. I'm about to try IconiaRoot 1.3. Still looking for the answer...I'll report back. Thanks!
I tried Iconia Root. It goes through the steps and says Done...Have Fun! Then a message says Iconia Root has been denied root privileges. I tried to unroot and it says something went wrong and I'm still rooted. I must be somewhere between rooted and unrooted! What now????
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What's your kernel version & build number?
Have you tried using IconiaRoot?
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Kernel version is 2.6.36.4HoneyVillain-1.0+
Build number is HoneyVillain 1.04
Bubbamanlarry said:
I tried Iconia Root. It goes through the steps and says Done...Have Fun! Then a message says Iconia Root has been denied root privileges. I tried to unroot and it says something went wrong and I'm still rooted. I must be somewhere between rooted and unrooted! What now????
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Don't use backup, reflash your rom and re root.
shaun298 said:
Don't use backup, reflash your rom and re root.
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I'm giving that a go right now...
Bubbamanlarry said:
I'm giving that a go right now...
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When that works I will give you the full story of what I found, if it works.
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When that works I will give you the full story of what I found, if it works.
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Well, you're right - it did work. I didn't even have to root again. Everything is back after the reflash of the ROM. Now tell me the full story. I'm wanting (I think) to try the latest HoneyVillain ROM.
By the way, thank you VERY much for you help.
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Well, you're right - it did work. I didn't even have to root again. Everything is back after the reflash of the ROM. Now tell me the full story. I'm wanting (I think) to try the latest HoneyVillain ROM.
By the way, thank you VERY much for you help.
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You must not have wiped anything...? (Not that that is bad just more tech info for me), still learning.
Anyway, I have used honey vill and taboonay many version and with different kernals and love both roms.
What happans to me is I use cwm after I get the tab set the way I want and then do a full backup using cwm. Then I always want to fire test my backups so I immediately do a full restore using cwm, soon after I start getting denials from super user..? And after checking using a app from the market to check root, I have now lost root and can't get back, same as you.
I now just reflash the rom and if I do full wipe I reroot and all is well.
So I went with a different rom, backup and immediately do full restore and now no root again.
It happaned with every rom I have tried. Someone told me to delete the android.secure.image folder from the backup set that cwm makes. I tried that and that did let the restore, restore the flex rom folder but had the same problem. I have two a500 and both do this. I don' t know if stock rooted will do this as I have not tried yet. So what good is a full backup if it fudges your system. Maybe someone has a answer, but I have not found one. Sorry if this ain't your problem at all, but might be related. Later
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You must not have wiped anything...? (Not that that is bad just more tech info for me), still learning.
Anyway, I have used honey vill and taboonay many version and with different kernals and love both roms.
What happans to me is I use cwm after I get the tab set the way I want and then do a full backup using cwm. Then I always want to fire test my backups so I immediately do a full restore using cwm, soon after I start getting denials from super user..? And after checking using a app from the market to check root, I have now lost root and can't get back, same as you.
I now just reflash the rom and if I do full wipe I reroot and all is well.
So I went with a different rom, backup and immediately do full restore and now no root again.
It happaned with every rom I have tried. Someone told me to delete the android.secure.image folder from the backup set that cwm makes. I tried that and that did let the restore, restore the flex rom folder but had the same problem. I have two a500 and both do this. I don' t know if stock rooted will do this as I have not tried yet. So what good is a full backup if it fudges your system. Maybe someone has a answer, but I have not found one. Sorry if this ain't your problem at all, but might be related. Later
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That's amazing. I want to move up to the new HoneyVillain, so I guess I can count on rooting again? Wow. I love my Iconia though. I just remembered that I recently had trouble with WIFI so I DID do a restore via CWM. I guess I just realized that things weren't rooted! Oh well, you have provided some much needed info for me. At least now, I will know what to expect. Thanks again. Have a blessed evening.
I also had the wifi problem, and that is what started the whole thing with the full restore. Have a good one.
The same thing happened to me. I just installed another ROM to fix it.
Kinda ridiculous though. At least we know how to deal with it.
Thanks for this thread -- confirmed my sanity when I lost root after a CWM restore. Does anyone know if the updated version (1.6) of CWM for the A500 fixed this problem?