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Has anyone who removed bloatware updated to JI6?

I am hearing some people who removed bloatware got soft bricked and then some are saying they didn't. Is there an official word on this? I removed some of the Samsung bloat because I would never use it.
If there is anyone HERE (on a forum I actually trust) that has updated their Vibrant to J16 after removing bloatware and didn't get a softbrick- then I will update. If not, does anyone have the bloat apks? I'd rather just download and install them all again then have to ODIN.

Never mind

DreamcastDC said:
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Never mind what? Does this have anything to do with my question?

I did. I removed a bunch of the programs that came installed wroth the phone, such as mobitv, gogo, the gps program by using Titanium Backup.

I had to reflash mine due to this problem.
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Mine soft bricked and didn't even have bloat removed... all I had was root... no lag fix, nothing...... bricked and recovered in less than ten minutes... you would spend more time downloading and installing the bloat back... and when your device bricks anyways your gonna need odin so just use it or leave your phone alone...

I'm hardware blocked from accessing Recovery and Download so I'm trying not to softbrick my phone at all. Not because I don't want to use ODIN but because I do not wanna risk my phone being inoperable.

I was rooted and removed ALL of the Samsung crapware, and yes my phone bricked as a result of the OTA. I was able to flash JI6 via ODIN and everything is working again.
After the OTA, my Vibrant was stuck at the Samsung Vibrant screen.

Would I be able to do all of that through ADB? I'm hardware locked. Not only that, ODIN won't recognize my device!

Yes I removed a lot of bloat and still updated fine through Odin.
Btw, there is now a fix for hardware locked phones. I tried it last night and now my phone can access download and recovery through the vol buttons. Go ahead and get adb set up though--you'll need it to remove the hardware lock.
If Odin isn't working for you, (1) do you have the Samsung phone drivers, and (2) what version of Odin are you using?
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Yeah I removed a bunch of stuff that I didn't user using titanium and I was also using the one click roote and I updated fine using odin.

Just a question, why would people want to remove these applications? does it have something to do with the battery life? or to have more memory for more applications?

It was kind of superfluous in my case since I have more app space than I'll ever need.
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iynfynity said:
Just a question, why would people want to remove these applications? does it have something to do with the battery life? or to have more memory for more applications?
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Because I know I'll never use them and they take up space in the app menu as well as the memory, also a bunch of them start themselves and take up processing power, like the Tel-Nav GPS app.
I rooted then unrooted, can someone explain what exactly Odin is doing and why people's phones are getting bricked? I don't really want to flash a rom or something if that's what Odin is doing. My goal is to keep everything stock minus the bloatware apps.

richiehd said:
If there is anyone HERE (on a forum I actually trust) that has updated their Vibrant to J16 after removing bloatware and didn't get a softbrick- then I will update. If not, does anyone have the bloat apks? I'd rather just download and install them all again then have to ODIN.
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I have updated my Vibrant successfully without any bricks having removed bloatware each time before each upgrade.
I was always stock since I got the phone on release date. Now until JI5 came out, I had never decided to update the phone. When I updated to JI5 on the same day that was leaked, I did so via ODIN and had all the bloatware apps removed (TeleNav, GoGo, Slacker, etc).
When JI6 was leaked, I had done the same process again as above. I already had the bloatware removed before and once again after updating when it all came back.
When the official OTA JI6 came out, I waited a few days but flashed that over the leaked JI6 update without any issues once again via ODIN. I did the same thing again, had removed bloatware prior and again after. I honestly did not believe there was any difference in either prior nor do I see so after. Especially by file size or any fixes that weren't already in the leaked one.
This was just my experience and having removed the bloatware apps and not getting bricked. I never once applied any other modifications either (such as the battery ones, etc).
I did have 2 lag fixes applied (not at the same time) when I was on stock. The first one with terminal commands from a post here on the forums which was removed when I decided to try out One Click Lag Fix which was then removed before I flashed JI5. I have yet to apply a lag fix again with JI5 or JI6, nor will I be anytime soon I think either.

When you say everything is working again, did your bloatware come back? ARe you able to remove it if it did? For some reason I cannot remove the bloatware when it came back.
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Woops, I meant to ask J3ST3RM4A3 this.
but has anyone seen this problem? after going to JI6 the bloat comes back and is not removable?
and if you did remove bloat, with what? ADB? Root explorer? Astro? Titanium? None of these worked for me

i purchased root explorer after i updated to JI6, it seems like such an useful app.
that allowed me to remove all the bloatware after the update.
i updated via KIES mini not OTA (i heard too much **** happened to people who did it the OTA way)
so when you delete your bloatware, they would just pop back? Cause i had that issue prior to updating root explorer. After i updated root explorer (purchasing the latest) i was able to successfully remove the bloat

richiehd said:
I am hearing some people who removed bloatware got soft bricked and then some are saying they didn't. Is there an official word on this? I removed some of the Samsung bloat because I would never use it.
If there is anyone HERE (on a forum I actually trust) that has updated their Vibrant to J16 after removing bloatware and didn't get a softbrick- then I will update. If not, does anyone have the bloat apks? I'd rather just download and install them all again then have to ODIN.
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I had bloat removed prior to JI6. I did step 2 of this and had no trouble whatsoever.

Same. I soft bricked with the OTA update but Odin worked fine. I've heard there may be an issue with leaving the update.zip on your phone while you try to update.

Do I have to unroot to install the update?

Hey I just got my atrix on Thursday and rooted but was reading that the update is supposed to land tomorrow and was just wondering if I need to unroot to install the update.

no, but you will lose root after update

I think you have the webtop hack installed it will mess it up though.
Personally, I won't be updating until I can upgrade and get root, titanium backup, setcpu and webtop onto my phone. Not worth losing all of those.
On a side note: to people who are upgrading and losing root: have any of you guys used Google's built-in app backup? How does it work? Can you force it to reinstall apps, etc.?

Kaaji1359 said:
I think you have the webtop hack installed it will mess it up though.
Personally, I won't be updating until I can upgrade and get root, titanium backup, setcpu and webtop onto my phone. Not worth losing all of those.
On a side note: to people who are upgrading and losing root: have any of you guys used Google's built-in app backup? How does it work? Can you force it to reinstall apps, etc.?
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Ya I only rooted and enabled the side loading apps, with the update is there any way to side load apps

Moved as not android development

I am going to reflash and do the base sbf -> aroot -> update procedure again tomorrow to make sure I didnt somehow get a legacy copy of the beta earlier and will post back confirming, but with the beta that method worked for keeping sideloading, been using the amazon market on and off all day.

[Q] Rooting R800i 2.3.2

killa92 said:
Sorry to be rude!, im new to this "rooting" business. Now i used to be fond with "debranding" sony ericssons by flashing generic firmware via SEtools.
Now my phone doesnt have any "orange" branding on it apart from a orange app which cannot be deleted. But i cannot change my apps permissions or delete what i want to delete on the phone and i believe rooting the phone will accomplish this.
So iv had a look, im running android 2.3.2 with a .184 base. What does this mean for me?, now i realise i can do the same to my phone if i unlock the bootloader, but that means i cannot use SEUS right? Im trying to run gingerbreak yet it just keeps running and running....
Am i right in saying it will be easier to root my phone as im still on 2.3.2?..
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Thanks for people that helped, i wanted to be fussy and not risk loosing the SEUS function If you get into a bit of a fiddle: shutdown, remove battery, restart, place phone in flight mode to prevent interruptions, kill all running apps, ensure USB debugging is enabled! then exploit gingerbreak and LEAVE it. Only remove bloat AFTER OTA update as mentioned.
Reference:
Process http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1116090
Titanium Backup https://market.android.com/details?id=com.keramidas.TitaniumBackup&hl=en
List of unwanted apps http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1046699
Backups
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1036249
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killa92 said:
Sorry to be rude!, im new to this "rooting" business. Now i used to be fond with "debranding" sony ericssons by flashing generic firmware via SEtools.
Now my phone doesnt have any "orange" branding on it apart from a orange app which cannot be deleted. But i cannot change my apps permissions or delete what i want to delete on the phone and i believe rooting the phone will accomplish this.
So iv had a look, im running android 2.3.2 with a .184 base. What does this mean for me?, now i realise i can do the same to my phone if i unlock the bootloader, but that means i cannot use SEUS right? Im trying to run gingerbreak yet it just keeps running and running....
Am i right in saying it will be easier to root my phone as im still on 2.3.2?..
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Warwick
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Just stick with what your doing gingerbreak. Can take some time to get root access.
Or you could use this method if you can unlock bootloader on your phone. do ota to .145 only if your bootloader is locked, (dont do ota if you already have unlocked bootloader it will brick your device) then unlock bootloader and flash pre rooted .145 system image.
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furrabbit.nh said:
Just stick with what your doing gingerbreak. Can take some time to get root access.
Or you could use this method if you can unlock bootloader on your phone. do ota to .145 only if your bootloader is locked, (dont do ota if you already have unlocked bootloader it will brick your device) then unlock bootloader and flash pre rooted .145 system image.
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I havnt unlocked my bootloader so itl be locked, ideally id like to keep it like this for SEUS updates and warranty. Does gingerbreak work with .184?, and does this .184 mean i have generic firmware already on the phone but just not rooted? And i take it .145 will be 2.3.3?, thought it would be easier on 2.3.2
P.S- I am using V1.2 as this is the latest
Cheers for the reply!

Yes gingerbreak will root 2.3.2 Rom but ur can take a while. Once its rooted it should stay rooted even after ota
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Righty ho, the only different after this finally working is an app called superuser... I still cannot modify application permissions or delete applications of the phone such as the standard games showing in the menu like bruce lee etc.
So how do i find if my phone is rooted, and is there actually any pros to this :S:S

killa92 said:
Righty ho, the only different after this finally working is an app called superuser... I still cannot modify application permissions or delete applications of the phone such as the standard games showing in the menu like bruce lee etc.
So how do i find if my phone is rooted, and is there actually any pros to this :S:S
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You have root. Now you need applications to do what you say.
Superuser is there to grant those apps permission.
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Cheers dudes!, i think i get it now. Basically im ALLOWED to access all roots and files now but usually an application is used to achieve this but am correct in saying modifications can be done manually?
So ideally, update now to 2.3.3 and i can still install apps to remove bloatware etc?. Where as if i touch anything then update it may fail as apps are missing?

killa92 said:
Cheers dudes!, i think i get it now. Basically im ALLOWED to access all roots and files now but usually an application is used to achieve this but am correct in saying modifications can be done manually?
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You are correct broski. I would recommend TitaniumBackup and Root Explorer to get started.
Always make sure you freeze stuff with TiBu before you delete it. In fact, there's a list of apps you can safely remove (I believe in the Themes & Apps section) that you may want to check out. I would link it but I'm at my iPad.
And yes, I would update before you touch anything.
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TheBassman369 said:
You are correct broski. I would recommend TitaniumBackup and Root Explorer to get started.
Always make sure you freeze stuff with TiBu before you delete it. In fact, there's a list of apps you can safely remove (I believe in the Themes & Apps section) that you may want to check out. I would link it but I'm at my iPad.
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Wikid! Well can i just do usual file/folder browsing with them apps? Currently got ES file explorer and the mount option completed and allowed access . So shall i update before messing around removing apps as iv not got a lot on it anyway (got it yesterday)
nice one broski

I used SEUS to update my phone to latest firmware. Flashed phone and downgraded to 2.3.2. Re set up all my accounts, installed TiBackup busybox, Astro, Superbox and Gingerbreak.
Before I flashed, Gingerbreak took about 5mins max to root, reeboot and finish.
Now, i have let it sit for over an hour and its still not doing anything???
Do I need to flash my phone again (hope not, takes too long lol) to get it to work? I flashed the Generic .184 that was posted on xda. My phone tells me im on 2.3.2 Build 3.0.A.2.184.
What am I doing wrong?
And yes, I am a noob before you ask lol!

Oh and does it matter if the battery is below 50%?

Flipfoot said:
I used SEUS to update my phone to latest firmware. Flashed phone and downgraded to 2.3.2. Re set up all my accounts, installed TiBackup busybox, Astro, Superbox and Gingerbreak.
Before I flashed, Gingerbreak took about 5mins max to root, reeboot and finish.
Now, i have let it sit for over an hour and its still not doing anything???
Do I need to flash my phone again (hope not, takes too long lol) to get it to work? I flashed the Generic .184 that was posted on xda. My phone tells me im on 2.3.2 Build 3.0.A.2.184.
What am I doing wrong?
And yes, I am a noob before you ask lol!
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I am too just learning. Explain your situation a bit more like in what order youv done things, and what are you trying to achieve? You have ran gingerbreak on 2.3.3 then downgraded to 2.2.2 and trying to use it again :S??

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Well 50% is minimum i stick to when carrying out any sort of flashing on my previous SE's. I had my charger in the whole time as mine is turning out to be a simple gingerbreak exploit as my phone came with .184 2.3.2 already

Ok, from the top:
New phone purchased on 2.3.2
Rooted using gingerbreak
Deleted some Bloat
Went to update to 2.3.3 and couldnt due to deleted bloat.
Used SEUS to fix phone and update to 2.3.3
Used this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1119074 and followed it to the letter except didnt delete user data.
Ended up rooted on 2.3.3 - Hooray!
Frooze bloat this time so not to incur same problems as last time.
Rebooted phone and then disaster!!!
Phone kept getting to the Sony Ericsson screen then would reset over and over.
Flashed 2.3.2 again - this time including user data.
Set up all my accounts again, installed all my apps, made sure i could send and recieve calls/messages etc.
Tried to root using gingerbreak but it just hangs at the 1st screen for over an hour.
And this is where I am now. Im on 2.3.2, cant seem to root and dont want to update till i can root lol.
I have tried taking the battery out, lewaving for an hour and then doing the root process again to no avail.

Flipfoot said:
Ok, from the top:
New phone purchased on 2.3.2
Rooted using gingerbreak
Deleted some Bloat
Went to update to 2.3.3 and couldnt due to deleted bloat.
Used SEUS to fix phone and update to 2.3.3
Used this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1119074 and followed it to the letter except didnt delete user data.
Ended up rooted on 2.3.3 - Hooray!
Frooze bloat this time so not to incur same problems as last time.
Rebooted phone and then disaster!!!
Phone kept getting to the Sony Ericsson screen then would reset over and over.
Flashed 2.3.2 again - this time including user data.
Set up all my accounts again, installed all my apps, made sure i could send and recieve calls/messages etc.
Tried to root using gingerbreak but it just hangs at the 1st screen for over an hour.
And this is where I am now. Im on 2.3.2, cant seem to root and dont want to update till i can root lol.
I have tried taking the battery out, lewaving for an hour and then doing the root process again to no avail.
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Hmmm, shouldnt your phone still be rooted? If you play with the boot loader that will be why SEUS wont work. Bit odd really, should just be able to flash .184 2.3.2, ensure boot loader is locked, install and run gingerbread v1.2 exploit without ANY interruption then update OTA

Hold the Fort!!!!
Just tried gingerbreak again, as Im reading your post, phone has just re-booted.
Ok, now Im rooted!!
Going for the OTA update now. Fingers crossed!
EDIT: Bugger, need to charge up the phone update won't work when under 50%.
I think I'll be ok now.
Its when i come to the next bit. This time I think I'll delete the bloat but keep a note on what I delete so if i need them back at least i know what to look for, and if all else fails i can use SEUS again. Im NEVER unlocking my bootloader lol!

Don't delete any boats... What if 2.3.4 comes out and you want to do another ota update? Last thing you want to do is flash back to 2.3.2 and start all over again. Use titanium to freeze the bloatware.
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Flipfoot said:
Hold the Fort!!!!
Just tried gingerbreak again, as Im reading your post, phone has just re-booted.
Ok, now Im rooted!!
Going for the OTA update now. Fingers crossed!
EDIT: Bugger, need to charge up the phone update won't work when under 50%.
I think I'll be ok now.
Its when i come to the next bit. This time I think I'll delete the bloat but keep a note on what I delete so if i need them back at least i know what to look for, and if all else fails i can use SEUS again. Im NEVER unlocking my bootloader lol!
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Yeah it happens sometimes. I once had to reboot my phone twice and start gingerbreak again before it rooted. I have froze all the bloat i want gone instead of uninstalling. It doesnt free up space on the internal memory but it frees up ram. So reboot is like 1 minute and has the same effects uninstalling would do. No lag e.t.c
Just move your gameloft games to your sd card using titanium backup (free version) will free up internal memory. Saves the trouble of having to reinstall everything when you next want ota update in october. I use Bloat Freezer to freeze the apps i dont want running only £0.61. Does same job as titanium when freezing apps which is £3.83.

Yeah freezins apps is next on the list, or even just deleting them aslong as there ALL backed up. Has anybody backed up all of the apps?, would be a good idea for everybody. Some kind of complete SE 2.3.3 complete backup would be useful for everybody. That way people can delete EVERYTHING they want and not have to worry about SEUS as a restore can be completed Might do it and upload them all into one if anybody is interested??...

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1036249 Yeah all the apps that come on the phone are on that thread. But i havent uninstalled anything just froze as i have said and moved the games to sd and i have 200+ mb on internal memory and 240 mb of ram which is more than enough. I can then just unfreeze all the bloat i froze and do the ota update with no problems.

[Q]How to get back all of your app

Previously I'm on 2.3.2 r800a and my build number ends with .181 rooted, then I update using this guide http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1116090
so I create a backup using mybackup root, then flash my phone, but then after my screen turns on, I cant find any apps that I installed.. The only apps there is the pre installed apps on the phone.. So I root it using gingerbreak 1.2 then update it OTA. I have now 2.3.3 rooted then my previous r800a became r800i and the last digits of my build number is .185 now.I download the mybackup root to restore it. So basically almost all of my apps are back.. But when I try to run them almost all of the apps are 'Force Close'
So what seems to be the problem? I can't post my queries at that thread right now because my post count is not enough.

I don't know mybackup, but when you restore do you restore apps only or apps and data? Cuz if it's the last option it can cause trouble and fc's, cuz you're restoring on a different firmware build.
Regards Dousan...

I restore it like the way I back it up. Apk's + Data.. Did I do it the wrong way?

Can you choose apps only when you want to restore from mybackup?
Regards Dousan...

This happend to me to on my previous phone and regularly used to upgrade on custom roms and I noticed this only happend when I moved to a higher or lower android version... I think the data in the Apps have 2.3.2 registered so when you have 2.3.3 it probably recognizes it differently so it FCs try restoring data only or try restoring 5-10 Apps at a time rather than all at once (caused some problems at times when I restored Apps with data all at once)
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Dousan said:
Can you choose apps only when you want to restore from mybackup?
Regards Dousan...
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Done trying to restore it using apk's only then data only, but it didn't work..
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This happend to me to on my previous phone and regularly used to upgrade on custom roms and I noticed this only happend when I moved to a higher or lower android version... I think the data in the Apps have 2.3.2 registered so when you have 2.3.3 it probably recognizes it differently so it FCs try restoring data only or try restoring 5-10 Apps at a time rather than all at once (caused some problems at times when I restored Apps with data all at once)
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I also try this. I restore it one at a time but still force close. Unfortunately no luck..
I guess I will just uninstall that apps and games then download a new one.

My point was to only install apps and nothing else, cuz it's the data part that messes up the apps in most cases, on a new FW build number. Some apps and games might need an update to work but most should work when just restoring the apps and no data
I haven't had any issues doing it like that.
Well a clean install might be a good thing.
Regards Dousan...

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My point was to only install apps and nothing else, cuz it's the data part that messes up the apps in most cases, on a new FW build number. Some apps and games might need an update to work but most should work when just restoring the apps and no data
I haven't had any issues doing it like that.
Well a clean install might be a good thing.
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Sir, no app in choices, only apk & data.. Is the apk supposed to be the app? but that's just the installer.. So if I install it I think it will still use the previous data..

It must be the way mybackup makes a backup and restores it. Titanium does it differently when restoring, you get the choice to restore app or app/data. Yes app is the apk.
I think you're gonna go the long way and install your apps from scratch mate and loose the data you've backed up.
You could always flash 2.3.2 (UK generic 1.84) again, then root and restore apps through mybackup. Then install titanium backup and do a full backup through that, then do the OTA again and once booted into 2.3.3 restore through titanium and this time only apps no data.
Regards Dousan...

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I think you're gonna go the long way and install your apps from scratch mate and loose the data you've backed up.
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Unfortunately, I'm just gonna do it this way.. Good thing is some apps and games that i purchase is still working..
I choose mybackup root because I dont know how to backup using titanium.. Until now..

flash system.sin

Moving to Mi A1

I have always rooted and used Titanium Backup to set up a new phone but this time I want to leave it alone, more and more apps are checking for root and certified/uncertified, last week I could not even get a PizzaExpress app because it needs 6.0+ & unrooted (had to unroot my old S2 on Lineage), I have decided I want my banking apps back and other things I lost over the years, so no root or customising (yet! hehe).
With that in mind what is the best way to restore, obviously Google will take care of a lot of it but things like call logs, sms, bluetooth, some app data, in the past I would selectively use Titanium to restore anything I found missing but without root, what to use? Helium, mi mover or something else.
My S4 is rooted but stock right now so calls, SMS, rejection lists even wallpaper is synced with Samsung, I guess there will be no way to access these backups from the A1

You can root via Magisk. It doesn't break the SafetyNet. Moreover, you can hide it from certain apps. All the banking apps work if you root via Magisk.
Edit: Here's the link to the thread: https://forum.xda-developers.com/mi-a1/how-to/root-mi-a1-oreo-8-0-disabling-ota-magisk-t3728654

darkpegasus said:
You can root via Magisk. It doesn't break the SafetyNet. Moreover, you can hide it from certain apps. All the banking apps work if you root via Magisk.
Edit: Here's the link to the thread: https://forum.xda-developers.com/mi-a1/how-to/root-mi-a1-oreo-8-0-disabling-ota-magisk-t3728654
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I did see that and did think about it, it's been a bit cat and mouse hiding root for years now and I can only see it getting worse as android secuity ramps up, I thought I would keep this phone clean as long as I could resist
I might go with the root, I could always remove it again I guess.

You will not resist for a long time, you know that, all of us know that
I bought this phone today online and expect to receive it within days and I was thinking exactly like you, then log on to XDA 10 minutes ago searching for rooting threads to be ready when I receive it

darkpegasus said:
You can root via Magisk. It doesn't break the SafetyNet. Moreover, you can hide it from certain apps. All the banking apps work if you root via Magisk.
Edit: Here's the link to the thread: https://forum.xda-developers.com/mi-a1/how-to/root-mi-a1-oreo-8-0-disabling-ota-magisk-t3728654
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When it arrives, it should come on N, so I guess I could root it with Magisk, get it up and running how I like it then restore the boot image, remove Magisk and allow the O OTA and everything will be 100% stock again?

kudos1uk said:
EDIT: When it arrives, it should come on N, so I guess I could root it with Magisk, get it up and running how I like it then restore the boot image, remove Magisk and allow the O OTA and everything will be 100% stock again?
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Yup. Magisk does not touch system files. It will be 100% stock without any issues.

2363 said:
You will not resist for a long time, you know that, all of us know that
I bought this phone today online and expect to receive it within days and I was thinking exactly like you, then log on to XDA 10 minutes ago searching for rooting threads to be ready when I receive it
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You are right there lol
I am starting to think we are beginning to lose more than we gain, I comes to something when a stupid pizza shop app checks for root!

darkpegasus said:
Yup. Magisk does not touch system files. It will be 100% stock without any issues.
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Thinking about this and reading the thread, does Titanium not need Busybox installed? busybox installs to "system" and would stop OTA?

kudos1uk said:
Thinking about this and reading the thread, does Titanium not need Busybox installed? busybox installs to "system" and would stop OTA?
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I just installed Titanium Backup without installing busybox and it works. (Busybox maybe included in the custom ROM I've installed, I dunno).
I think you are being unnecessarily cautious about Root. Almost all the banking apps work even when Magisk is installed. You can enjoy root without worrying about the safetynet.

darkpegasus said:
I just installed Titanium Backup without installing busybox and it works. (Busybox maybe included in the custom ROM I've installed, I dunno).
I think you are being unnecessarily cautious about Root. Almost all the banking apps work even when Magisk is installed. You can enjoy root without worrying about the safetynet.
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Thanks for that.
I'm comfortable with root now after loads of reading of that thread but was just being cautious no to allow any app to change the system folder once root is running.
I also see this method of root cant be used on N so my idea of rooting / restoring / unrooting and upgrading to O will not work so I will just upgrade to Oreo / root / restore and then decide if I want to keep root or not.

kudos1uk said:
Thanks for that.
I'm comfortable with root now after loads of reading of that thread but was just being cautious no to allow any app to change the system folder once root is running.
I also see this method of root cant be used on N so my idea of rooting / restoring / unrooting and upgrading to O will not work so I will just upgrade to Oreo / root / restore and then decide if I want to keep root or not.
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Yup, you can upgrade to Oreo, root, and restore.
Also, if there are any issues afterwards, you can always flash the official fastboot ROM by MiFlash Tool without wiping your internal storage.

IjazCI said:
Hi there, you could root with magisk , restore your data then flash stock rom through mi flash tool . Make sure to select the "save user data " option before flash. This way you will be 100 % stock and take ota's.
I suggest you to enable the camera 2 api using set prop method by flex1911 ( the one which doesn't uses magisk) before flashing stock rom.
Cheers
Edit : my advice is literally Same from the guy above. Didn't see that. . Saw your post , think that i can help and replayed
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Thanks, I think I will just have to devote a good long time to this, at least I will have both phones side by side so I can keep trying all the restore methods known