Possible to install standard Android v2.1 on Hero? - Hero, G2 Touch General

Hi all,
Sorry to bug y'all; I'm an utter noob when it comes to rooting and such - I was pretty content with my Hero's Sense UI version of Android, but the UI lag is starting to really get to me.
Rather than go nuts waiting for HTC to release their 2.1 Sense version of Android for it, I was wondering how difficult it'd be to install a vanilla version of Android (I mean non-Sense) 2.1?
Would the phone need to be rooted? Would it be like a "hacked" ROM, or is there a way to put an official 2.1 version of Android on there?
I'd be very keen to pursue this if it was possible.
Any thoughts? Cheers!

Firstly have you tried VillainRom 5.2? It does not lag and has sense (and 5.3 which will be even better should be out tomorrow).
Secondly there are loads of what we call "vanilla" roms out there for the hero which do not have sense. The only thing is none of them will have every feature working 100% as it simply is not designed to be run on the hero.
Check out the dev section and look for all roms with the title "vanilla" or "non sense"

Lennyuk said:
"vanilla" or "non sense"
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Vanilla is nonsense

hkr said:
Vanilla is nonsense
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yes but people call their roms different things.

hkr said:
Vanilla is nonsense
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Lennyuk said:
yes but people call their roms different things.
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Blasphemy, vanilla is delicious.
(sorry for this nonsense post)

Stock 1.5 actually seems faster than most of the Vanilla 2.1 roms I've tried.
Personally I'm on Villian 5.2 which is wonderful except for the massive keyboard lag

twit_xp said:
Stock 1.5 actually seems faster than most of the Vanilla 2.1 roms I've tried.
Personally I'm on Villian 5.2 which is wonderful except for the massive keyboard lag
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see I use swype (I am in the beta) anyway so get no lag at all.

you can try aHero also clean 2.1 no HTC sense

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HTC Magic official ROM update with Sense Released... Anything new?

Anyone have a friend or family member with a Magic?
I'd be curious to see if there's any new features that could potentially be ported to our Hero.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/29/htc-magics-sense-update-ready-for-download
Looks like they have a pull port of Eclair as well. I bet we could steal their sense for our AOSP builds, problem with that IMHO: Most of the people running AOSP want Vanilla - The push to get it in and working would be minimal. Sense is sadly not as simple as installing an APK.
Kcarpenter said:
Looks like they have a pull port of Eclair as well. I bet we could steal their sense for our AOSP builds, problem with that IMHO: Most of the people running AOSP want Vanilla - The push to get it in and working would be minimal. Sense is sadly not as simple as installing an APK.
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Anyone know what version of Android this is? The magic has Donut, right?
Kcarpenter said:
Looks like they have a pull port of Eclair as well. I bet we could steal their sense for our AOSP builds, problem with that IMHO: Most of the people running AOSP want Vanilla - The push to get it in and working would be minimal. Sense is sadly not as simple as installing an APK.
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Why would you want to add Sense to an AOSP build? That's basically your stock ROM minus some of the crap apps crammed on there, which is already available.
illogic6 said:
Anyone know what version of Android this is? The magic has Donut, right?
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HTC Source claims it's 1.5. Sorry, forum wont let me link it.
john.c said:
Why would you want to add Sense to an AOSP build?
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To have sense on a 1.6 version of Android, I like Sense...alot.
john.c said:
HTC Source claims it's 1.5. Sorry, forum wont let me link it.
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You may not have enough posts to link. -Your still a junior member, but I am not sure at what level it lets you link.
I was wondering the same thing when I saw this on Engadget this morning, what version of Android is the MyTouch running, I thought I remember hearing that it was on 1.6.
Nanan00 said:
I was wondering the same thing when I saw this on Engadget this morning, what version of Android is the MyTouch running, I thought I remember hearing that it was on 1.6.
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It is 1.6.
My co-worker has one and likes to remind of the fact that it came pre-installed on his MyTouch.
EDIT: Correction, he got it OTA. I'm running AOSP1.6 now anyway so... screw him!
so can we downloaded already? its for the hero? whats new?
magicalan said:
so can we downloaded already? its for the hero? whats new?
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It's for the magic not the hero. Not the hero.
just cheked haha i dint read

Sprint ROM laggier than Eris?

Has anyone noticed that the 2.1 roms based on the Sprint leak are slower and laggier than the ones based on the Eris leak? I notice this especially in the keyboard, even with a fresh wipe.
Am I doing something wrong?
my new rom coming out is around 82mb optimized WITH sense and all that good stuff.
Some of the sprint roms that have been made have the new xda keyboard with voice function. I noticed that lags way more thann the stock one without voice.
radxcoresteven said:
Some of the sprint roms that have been made have the new xda keyboard with voice function. I noticed that lags way more thann the stock one without voice.
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where can i get the one with no voice feature???
rogerbean101 said:
where can i get the one with no voice feature???
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push to /system/app
regaw_leinad said:
push to /system/app
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thanx but lol idk how to do that kinda noob...any flashable one?
rogerbean101 said:
thanx but lol idk how to do that kinda noob...any flashable one?
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just made it.
Here you go.
regaw_leinad said:
just made it.
Here you go.
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thanx!! lol
The IME helped the keyboard lag, but not the overall lag.
The Sprint-based ROMs are slower than the Eris-based 2.1 ROMs and perhaps even slower than the optimized 1.5 ROMs.
Am I the only person noticing this? I can't be, can I?
One can only hope that this is the reason Sprint is holding out on our official update
jonnythan said:
The IME helped the keyboard lag, but not the overall lag.
The Sprint-based ROMs are slower than the Eris-based 2.1 ROMs and perhaps even slower than the optimized 1.5 ROMs.
Am I the only person noticing this? I can't be, can I?
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I believe they're slower (at least slower than the 1.5's) because they haven't had as much time to optimize them, or make custom kernels for the 2.1 ROM's. I'm not so sure that the sprint ones are any slower than the eris ones though
Just my theory.
jonnythan said:
The IME helped the keyboard lag, but not the overall lag.
The Sprint-based ROMs are slower than the Eris-based 2.1 ROMs and perhaps even slower than the optimized 1.5 ROMs.
Am I the only person noticing this? I can't be, can I?
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I notice it too
regaw_leinad said:
my new rom coming out is around 82mb optimized WITH sense and all that good stuff.
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i started noticing lately thats its not all about how big the rom's zip file is in terms of it's output speed. other factors play in it.
jonnythan said:
The IME helped the keyboard lag, but not the overall lag.
The Sprint-based ROMs are slower than the Eris-based 2.1 ROMs and perhaps even slower than the optimized 1.5 ROMs.
Am I the only person noticing this? I can't be, can I?
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Yea, it's because it isn't odex'd like the eris leak
jonnythan said:
The IME helped the keyboard lag, but not the overall lag.
The Sprint-based ROMs are slower than the Eris-based 2.1 ROMs and perhaps even slower than the optimized 1.5 ROMs.
Am I the only person noticing this? I can't be, can I?
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ive noticed a lag.for example the handcent pop up.when typing..super slow.keyboard is slow overall.ill sometimes be listeningto music,ill push play or skip a song n it wont respond.ill sometimes try to make a calln it wont call.i could go to my home screen,scroll around n a couple secs later itll call..i have enough memory..dont know what the deal is.
tatonka_hero said:
I believe they're slower (at least slower than the 1.5's) because they haven't had as much time to optimize them, or make custom kernels for the 2.1 ROM's. I'm not so sure that the sprint ones are any slower than the eris ones though
Just my theory.
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My wife is running Damage1.0 (eris) & I'm running Fresh's latest (Sprint leak). The eris is noticably faster. Opening apps is fasters, keyboard is faster....everything I've tested is faster. If I knew of a permanent fix for the gmail login issue, I'd probably be running Damage1 instead of the Sprint leaks. I didn't mind using Youmail for VVM.....
People seem to be skipping over my post in which i clearly outlined the reason why it's not as fast
darchstar said:
Yea, it's because it isn't odex'd like the eris leak
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What does that mean, exactly, and why hasn't it been done? Why was it done to the Eris leak?
jonnythan said:
What does that mean, exactly, and why hasn't it been done? Why was it done to the Eris leak?
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It's because it's a testing release. It's easier for people to pick away at the code, etc if its not odex'd. The testers don't need to take time to deodex the whole rom.
darchstar said:
It's because it's a testing release. It's easier for people to pick away at the code, etc if its not odex'd. The testers don't need to take time to deodex the whole rom.
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i see what your talking about now... i noticed it a long time ago but i didnt know what it meant, and due to the entire damgeless/flipz/RUU fiasco we will not get another leak...

How to enable JIT?

Does anyone know how I can enable JIT on the Evil Eris Rom 2.0.1. I've used the senseless patch to remove all the Sense UI, except the lock screen.
Just a quick question... if you are on Evil Eris... and wanna make it vanilla why not switch to a vanilla rom?
Honestly, I don't know the difference between the two. I do like how the dialer look though in EE vs Tainted Vanilla.
Turnyface said:
Does anyone know how I can enable JIT on the Evil Eris Rom 2.0.1. I've used the senseless patch to remove all the Sense UI, except the lock screen.
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I think there is a zip for JIT on GRDLOK's page. Where can I find the sensless patch?
Just to forewarn you Sense remover doesnt completely remove sense. All the roms here are still Sense Based Roms... until we get AOSP. So... JIT and Sense is very unstable. I suggest if you try it, always make a nand backup.
dlike said:
I think there is a zip for JIT on GRDLOK's page. Where can I find the sensless patch?
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http://www.zifnab06.net/downloads/
Any clue when AOSP is coming?
Turnyface said:
Does anyone know how I can enable JIT on the Evil Eris Rom 2.0.1. I've used the senseless patch to remove all the Sense UI, except the lock screen.
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Don't know what lockscreen EE uses but the htc lockscreen has always locked up on me when using JIT so you might want to remove it too if it still has the htc lockscreen. There was a program I found here on xda a while ago that would remove sense and enable JIT for you all from your computer. I think it was in the hero section but I used it on my eris a while back to try and it did work. It was called Nosense I think if you want to look for it.
Turnyface said:
Any clue when AOSP is coming?
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Framework is working on getting all the drivers for the eris working because he to mod some of the .config files. But i can smell it coming...
Thanks. I found the sense remover here and was able to enable JIT. I do also like the Helix Launcher!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=675678
It'll be a temp fix for now as I am hearing great things about AOSP, which I'll be switching over to when released.
Turnyface said:
Thanks. I found the sense remover here and was able to enable JIT. I do also like the Helix Launcher!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=675678
It'll be a temp fix for now as I am hearing great things about AOSP, which I'll be switching over to when released.
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So uh.. What's AOSP? I've heard it thrown around but never really knew what exactly it was.
JIT lags way too much on my phone. Thanks NAND.
Sheen160 said:
So uh.. What's AOSP? I've heard it thrown around but never really knew what exactly it was.
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AOSP = Android Open Source Project
ASOP is true vanilla without ANY sense
Turnyface said:
JIT lags way too much on my phone. Thanks NAND.
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I suggest if you want JIT... because it is snappier even if buggy... Get Tainted Vanilla and try it with JIT_UPDATE.zip... if you like the N1 launcher then run the OpenGL 3D patch (this will make Gallery not work)... Otherwise there is a custom Zeam this dude made and look a lot like N1...
andrew8806 said:
I suggest if you want JIT... because it is snappier even if buggy... Get Tainted Vanilla and try it with JIT_UPDATE.zip... if you like the N1 launcher then run the OpenGL 3D patch (this will make Gallery not work)... Otherwise there is a custom Zeam this dude made and look a lot like N1...
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I'll take a look into it.
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AOSP = Android Open Source Project
ASOP is true vanilla without ANY sense
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Thanks bro.

If I may ask...

Do any of the devs prefer Sense?
Im finding more and more "little" things I did not realize were particular to sense (email that doesn't suck harder than a Tijuana Whore on pay day, the lack of Vcard functionality etc).
Problem is, I am loving froyo too
So anyhow I guess more directly I want to know if anyone is working on a sense/froyo
Morkai Almandragon said:
Do any of the devs prefer Sense?
Im finding more and more "little" things I did not realize were particular to sense (email that doesn't suck harder than a Tijuana Whore on pay day, the lack of Vcard functionality etc).
Problem is, I am loving froyo too
So anyhow I guess more directly I want to know if anyone is working on a sense/froyo
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It sounds like you want something like Tainted Vanilla with a Froyo base... Maybe someone will get the motivation to do that. Maybe not. It's not a bad idea.
I personally find AOSP based ROMs to meet my needs, but Sense isn't bad. It just slows things down, and this phone doesn't need to be slowed down.
Another hybrid ROM with the extra speed that Froyo and OCing brings... Hmm. It's something to thing about.
I could honestly care less about the ascthetic parts of sense... In Fact I would kill to see a vanilla rom with HTC mail and contacts only...
I just hoped some of the devs prefered sense.
I know one "dev" that is wanting to start work on a Sense Froyo, but there are some people here that aren't fans of this gentleman so I won't bother mentioning his name. Keep an eye out over at androidforums though.
phonebook 2.0 looks a LOT like the htc contacts.
I believe Framework is working on a Froyo version of sense.
ban_dover said:
phonebook 2.0 looks a LOT like the htc contacts.
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I don't mind the look of 2.0, I love froyo, its the missing functionality that is killing me.
es0tericcha0s said:
i know one "dev" that is wanting to start work on a sense froyo, but there are some people here that aren't fans of this gentleman so i won't bother mentioning his name. Keep an eye out over at androidforums though.
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drizzy you better make a sense froyo!
Morkai Almandragon said:
I could honestly care less about the ascthetic parts of sense... In Fact I would kill to see a vanilla rom with HTC mail and contacts only...
I just hoped some of the devs prefered sense.
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This is the exact idea behind xtrROM http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=694472
is that a hint you are working to extend that to FroYo?-
I kinda like the look of the new sense that the desire didnt get. i also know that there is a sense based froyo build possibly coming this way soooon/
I actually enjoy sense, it seems more snappier and fluid then the Vanilla roms released, I know its just a kernel thing though. Which is why I can't wait for Kaos to come out with his new kernel
i dont think that people dont like sense i know i do i just like JIT way more lol
grndnpnd said:
i dont think that people dont like sense i know i do i just like JIT way more lol
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I hate Sense. I used Ivan's Official until Tainted Vanilla came along, and switched to True Vanilla when it became available. Have not used a Sense ROM since.
I'm not a dev, but there are people that indeed dislike Sense
refthemc said:
I actually enjoy sense, it seems more snappier and fluid then the Vanilla roms released, I know its just a kernel thing though. Which is why I can't wait for Kaos to come out with his new kernel
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what sense rom do you use thats snappier and smoother?
what AOSP roms have you used that are slower then sense. . . so i can make sure to not use them. No offense sense rom builders, but i havent had any luck with sense roms. i do love how it looks just slows my already slow enough phone down further.
#1 there always twitching between simple home screen scrolling and app drawer scrolling let alone anything that needs to actually use the CPU
#2 my battery dies much faster with all of those awesome looking widgets
#3 JIT doesn't play too nice with sense making it slightly lose its edge against AOSP roms.
I used to like sense until I started using White Widow... now the only thing I actually miss from Sense is the Facebook contact linking. Everything else seems to have a replacement so far... and often more customizable, which I always enjoy
Evil Eris is a very solid sense rom imo.
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DDustiNN said:
I used to like sense until I started using White Widow... now the only thing I actually miss from Sense is the Facebook contact linking. Everything else seems to have a replacement so far... and often more customizable, which I always enjoy
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Facebook sync has been working with the newest CELB build. When I boot, the market has an updated FB app. I suspect this may be the cause.
Duffman3005 said:
Evil Eris is a very solid sense rom imo.
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Yes, I know, it was the rom I used before FroYo...
now that I think about it, is it possible to get the BT functionality in 2.2 ported to 2.1?

Froyo w/ Sense

We already have Froyo (CM6) but not with Sense.
Desire is getting 2.2 Froyo with Sense Update this weekend.
Also Evo is getting it Ago. 3 but that one cannot be ported or I'm wrong?
It can be ported to Hero?
rockypr said:
We already have Froyo (CM6) but not with Sense.
Desire is getting 2.2 Froyo with Sense Update this weekend.
Also Evo is getting it Ago. 3 but that one cannot be ported or I'm wrong?
It can be ported to Hero?
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possibly? we only have a small handful of devs, so im not sure if anyone will do it? personally i don't like sense, i just want a stable froyo rom.
Use paid LauncherPro and you'll get all your "Sense" widgets
DirtyShroomz said:
Use paid LauncherPro and you'll get all your "Sense" widgets
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Is not about Widgets, I like more Sense Apps than the Vanilla.
rockypr said:
Is not about Widgets, I like more Sense Apps than the Vanilla.
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Which Sense apps? There are great replacements for almost if not all of them.
I loved Sense and would not flash an AOSP Rom, but once they released the first build of CM6 back in June I flashed it and kept it on my phone for 3 weeks. I installed launcher pro and beautiful widgets along with some other apps that I thought were decent like extended control widget. I got sense deprived and flashed a sense rom back on, but found myself reinstalling launcher pro because I like dock a lot more than Sense. And people can say that they can make a ROM with Sense just as fast as froyo are lying. I tried everything I could to get it as fast as froyo but was unable too. I have DC running right now, because I am working on porting something over from the EVO. Once everything is working on CM6 I will flash again.
The only thing that may be good is to get the HTC framework working with froyo and then you can still use the HTC apps, but other than that you can find alternative widgets that are close to or better than the HTC widgets
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Which Sense apps? There are great replacements for almost if not all of them.
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IMHO, the only one Not replaceable is the VVM. (and no, GoogVoice is not a great alternative/just as good, frankly. the number forwarding shell game, redundant emails, txtx, etc, annoying. and simply not as responsive or "easy to use") I hate to say it, but it was this feature that sold me on this phone. of course since I have found other reasons to love it.
everything else can be replaced easy. (in fact, msg me w/ your email, I can send a pack...)
personally not using Froyo just yet, looking forward to a Sense port as well... but I can wait.
Sorry guys but the topic here is not if you like Sense or Not...
The Topic is....
If it is possible to Port HTC Desire Froyo with Sense that is going to be released this weekend????
It can be ported to Hero?
rockypr said:
Sorry guys but the topic here is not if you like Sense or Not...
The Topic is....
If it is possible to Port HTC Desire Froyo with Sense that is going to be released this weekend????
It can be ported to Hero?
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golly, sorry to have totally sent your thread into offtopic there, buddy, but to answer your question I think:
well, it really depends on what phone its being released for... as far as I know, whats coming out is for the EVO, Desire, etc... and as darchstar said in this thread:
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u guys r such n00bz . we can't port an htc evo rom cuz its optimized to run on snapdragon armv7 arch. it will never boot with those libs. our hopes for a 2.2 sense rom would be a froyo legend rom, or a froyo espresso rom, as those both have libs optimized for armv61/armv5te
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and the desire also runs the snapdragon, so... no.
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golly, sorry to have totally sent your thread into offtopic there, buddy, but to answer your question I think:
well, it really depends on what phone its being released for... as far as I know, whats coming out is for the EVO, Desire, etc... and as darchstar said in this thread:
and the desire also runs the snapdragon, so... no.
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Ok Thanks!
No porting the desire is not worth while. The legend will be the one I and several other dev's are waiting for this will get ported to the hero.
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