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Possible to install standard Android v2.1 on Hero?

Hi all,
Sorry to bug y'all; I'm an utter noob when it comes to rooting and such - I was pretty content with my Hero's Sense UI version of Android, but the UI lag is starting to really get to me.
Rather than go nuts waiting for HTC to release their 2.1 Sense version of Android for it, I was wondering how difficult it'd be to install a vanilla version of Android (I mean non-Sense) 2.1?
Would the phone need to be rooted? Would it be like a "hacked" ROM, or is there a way to put an official 2.1 version of Android on there?
I'd be very keen to pursue this if it was possible.
Any thoughts? Cheers!

Firstly have you tried VillainRom 5.2? It does not lag and has sense (and 5.3 which will be even better should be out tomorrow).
Secondly there are loads of what we call "vanilla" roms out there for the hero which do not have sense. The only thing is none of them will have every feature working 100% as it simply is not designed to be run on the hero.
Check out the dev section and look for all roms with the title "vanilla" or "non sense"

Lennyuk said:
"vanilla" or "non sense"
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Vanilla is nonsense

hkr said:
Vanilla is nonsense
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yes but people call their roms different things.

hkr said:
Vanilla is nonsense
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Lennyuk said:
yes but people call their roms different things.
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Blasphemy, vanilla is delicious.
(sorry for this nonsense post)

Stock 1.5 actually seems faster than most of the Vanilla 2.1 roms I've tried.
Personally I'm on Villian 5.2 which is wonderful except for the massive keyboard lag

twit_xp said:
Stock 1.5 actually seems faster than most of the Vanilla 2.1 roms I've tried.
Personally I'm on Villian 5.2 which is wonderful except for the massive keyboard lag
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see I use swype (I am in the beta) anyway so get no lag at all.

you can try aHero also clean 2.1 no HTC sense

Is an all AOSP Rom even possible?

I mean all the way AOSP? I miss the Roms that were available for my G1...I thought the SenseUI would be awesome to have, but seriously...it actually sucks.

Yeah. There's AOSP 1.6, and DarchDroid is based off of AOSP 2.1. Do a search next time....

an all asop rom is not fully possible yet, theres a few out there but the camera doesnt work and a few other things but thats because they cant fix that until the official 2.1 comes out then we will have our fully aosp, theres darch vanilla, and darch droid, but a few things are missing as i stated above, if you are like me and you want a fully functionable aosp rom just wait until this update comes out then my friend we score, i hate sense, it blows...............ive been waiting for this a long time....dont even bother with the old aosp roms i mean their good but not 100%

RavenII said:
I mean all the way AOSP? I miss the Roms that were available for my G1...I thought the SenseUI would be awesome to have, but seriously...it actually sucks.
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Sounds like you should have gotten a Samsung Moment.

pseudoremora said:
Sounds like you should have gotten a Samsung Moment.
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i was about a **** hair from choosing a moment, almost wish i would have gotten one kinda, but then again idk, i hope a dev made use out of that decent processor

MatrixROM is all ASOP
Sent from my HERO200 using the XDA mobile application powered by Tapatalk

Here's the big answer to your question. All AOSP roms ARE possible. They just don't have all the functionality of Sense ROMs. DarchVanilla, or the link in my sig, will get you as close to aosp as you can get without breaking functionality.

HeroMeng said:
Here's the big answer to your question. All AOSP roms ARE possible. They just don't have all the functionality of Sense ROMs. DarchVanilla, or the link in my sig, will get you as close to aosp as you can get without breaking functionality.
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And might I add it's all HTCs fault because they won't release the .29 kernel source and their massive amount of modification to it disallows the ability to just port over a .29 kernel as it is... What Android was all about in the first place.

pseudoremora said:
Sounds like you should have gotten a Samsung Moment.
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Haha, I have one of those too...but let me tell you, if you flash 2.1 on it, and even THINK about thinking about looking at it to go online or play a game....or make a call, your battery drains.
HeroMeng...I'll check that one out. Thanks.

RavenII said:
HeroMeng...I'll check that one out. Thanks.
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No prob.

But I actually WANT HTC Stock Apps...

Hi All,
I'm running Senseless / Cyanogen V1 and I really want some of my stock HTC Apps back. I'm talking Browser, Camera, People, etc.
Can anyone help? I know it's not as simple as dropping a APK and installing.
Thanks.

ok first
why not post this in the acuall forum for this rom?
seconds if you read the whole first post, theres a download apps.zip u flash after the install of it. to get them back.

gritts said:
Hi All,
I'm running Senseless / Cyanogen V1 and I really want some of my stock HTC Apps back. I'm talking Browser, Camera, People, etc.
Can anyone help? I know it's not as simple as dropping a APK and installing.
Thanks.
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umm then u should be running evil eris not senseless or cyanogen

TopazAaron said:
ok first
why not post this in the acuall forum for this rom?
seconds if you read the whole first post, theres a download apps.zip u flash after the install of it. to get them back.
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no, those are for the google apps
its not possible to get sense apps working on an AOSP rom from what i understand.

I feeln renarded. sorry guys

TopazAaron said:
I feeln renarded. sorry guys
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Don't worry it happens to the best of us, just keep ur chin up!

gritts said:
Hi All,
I'm running Senseless / Cyanogen V1 and I really want some of my stock HTC Apps back. I'm talking Browser, Camera, People, etc.
Can anyone help? I know it's not as simple as dropping a APK and installing.
Thanks.
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You are referring to the Sense UI. You must choose a rom that keeps the Sense UI that the Eris comes with.
The Sense-able or Evil Eris roms are ideal, but the Senseless and Cyanogen roms do not include it.
This is the fundamental debate on roms - Sense or No-Sense...

T.C.P said:
umm then u should be running evil eris not senseless or cyanogen
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Evil Eris is ugly, with all the blue
And can someone please move this to the Apps forum? I thought I was originally posting in there, but alas, I was not.

g00gl3 said:
You are referring to the Sense UI. You must choose a rom that keeps the Sense UI that the Eris comes with.
The Sense-able or Evil Eris roms are ideal, but the Senseless and Cyanogen roms do not include it.
This is the fundamental debate on roms - Sense or No-Sense...
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Can I add some sense back in? I know I'm sounding like a complete noob right now, but alas, I am.

gritts said:
Evil Eris is ugly, with all the blue
And can someone please move this to the Apps forum? I thought I was originally posting in there, but alas, I was not.
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Whoa partner, slow your roll with the hash comments. No need for negativity toward the hard work done by some great devs!
Plus, you are missing the point. The many helpful devs posting above ^ have stated that you cannot install the Sense components onto a non Sense based rom. It just won't happen...

Okay, I apologize if I have offended anyone with my "blue" comment, but personally I enjoy the natural green glow of the android.
Okay, thanks for the clarification. I just wish there was somehow a ROM with everything I want.

gritts said:
Can I add some sense back in? I know I'm sounding like a complete noob right now, but alas, I am.
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there are alot of good sense based roms out there...you just need to use one of those ....and if you are not fond of the colors ...try using a theme to change it up....
but definitely try not to bash someones hard work over something like choice of color.....
other sense based roms (that i can think of right now)
senseable
evil eris
aloysius (very themeable)
kaoslegendary
ivans official
ZenExp (very nice build)
and more ...
I have used a few of these for long periods of time

rvpartsguy said:
there are alot of good sense based roms out there...you just need to use one of those ....and if you are not fond of the colors ...try using a theme to change it up....
but definitely try not to bash someones hard work over something like choice of color.....
other sense based roms (that i can think of right now)
senseable
evil eris
aloysius (very themeable)
kaoslegendary
ivans official
ZenExp (very nice build)
and more ...
I have used a few of these for long periods of time
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mine didnt make ur list

T.C.P said:
mine didnt make ur list
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sorry boss ...... i was trying to remember them all .... and I kept thinking I am missing one.......
so let it be said .....
Fresh ----- killer sense based rom and looks cool too even has a dancing Android ....

I wouldn't mind having the widgets from sense personally. I guess you can't have your cake and eat it too.

rvpartsguy said:
sorry boss ...... i was trying to remember them all .... and I kept thinking I am missing one.......
so let it be said .....
Fresh ----- killer sense based rom and looks cool too even has a dancing Android ....
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He has a dancing droid, too?!
-mak

FunkyFender said:
I wouldn't mind having the widgets from sense personally. I guess you can't have your cake and eat it too.
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No sense widgets exactly, but you can grab Beautiful Widgets from the Market which are pretty as well.

nindoja said:
No sense widgets exactly, but you can grab Beautiful Widgets from the Market which are pretty as well.
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I think Beautiful Widgets was actuall y the first thing I paid for on android

I used them before back when I first got my phone. They really seemed to lag me up. I might give them a shot again when I install White Widow/Senseless.

FunkyFender said:
I used them before back when I first got my phone. They really seemed to lag me up. I might give them a shot again when I install White Widow/Senseless.
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thats what ive been using

If I may ask...

Do any of the devs prefer Sense?
Im finding more and more "little" things I did not realize were particular to sense (email that doesn't suck harder than a Tijuana Whore on pay day, the lack of Vcard functionality etc).
Problem is, I am loving froyo too
So anyhow I guess more directly I want to know if anyone is working on a sense/froyo

Morkai Almandragon said:
Do any of the devs prefer Sense?
Im finding more and more "little" things I did not realize were particular to sense (email that doesn't suck harder than a Tijuana Whore on pay day, the lack of Vcard functionality etc).
Problem is, I am loving froyo too
So anyhow I guess more directly I want to know if anyone is working on a sense/froyo
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It sounds like you want something like Tainted Vanilla with a Froyo base... Maybe someone will get the motivation to do that. Maybe not. It's not a bad idea.
I personally find AOSP based ROMs to meet my needs, but Sense isn't bad. It just slows things down, and this phone doesn't need to be slowed down.
Another hybrid ROM with the extra speed that Froyo and OCing brings... Hmm. It's something to thing about.

I could honestly care less about the ascthetic parts of sense... In Fact I would kill to see a vanilla rom with HTC mail and contacts only...
I just hoped some of the devs prefered sense.

I know one "dev" that is wanting to start work on a Sense Froyo, but there are some people here that aren't fans of this gentleman so I won't bother mentioning his name. Keep an eye out over at androidforums though.

phonebook 2.0 looks a LOT like the htc contacts.

I believe Framework is working on a Froyo version of sense.

ban_dover said:
phonebook 2.0 looks a LOT like the htc contacts.
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I don't mind the look of 2.0, I love froyo, its the missing functionality that is killing me.

es0tericcha0s said:
i know one "dev" that is wanting to start work on a sense froyo, but there are some people here that aren't fans of this gentleman so i won't bother mentioning his name. Keep an eye out over at androidforums though.
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drizzy you better make a sense froyo!

Morkai Almandragon said:
I could honestly care less about the ascthetic parts of sense... In Fact I would kill to see a vanilla rom with HTC mail and contacts only...
I just hoped some of the devs prefered sense.
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This is the exact idea behind xtrROM http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=694472

is that a hint you are working to extend that to FroYo?-

I kinda like the look of the new sense that the desire didnt get. i also know that there is a sense based froyo build possibly coming this way soooon/

I actually enjoy sense, it seems more snappier and fluid then the Vanilla roms released, I know its just a kernel thing though. Which is why I can't wait for Kaos to come out with his new kernel

i dont think that people dont like sense i know i do i just like JIT way more lol

grndnpnd said:
i dont think that people dont like sense i know i do i just like JIT way more lol
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I hate Sense. I used Ivan's Official until Tainted Vanilla came along, and switched to True Vanilla when it became available. Have not used a Sense ROM since.
I'm not a dev, but there are people that indeed dislike Sense

refthemc said:
I actually enjoy sense, it seems more snappier and fluid then the Vanilla roms released, I know its just a kernel thing though. Which is why I can't wait for Kaos to come out with his new kernel
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what sense rom do you use thats snappier and smoother?
what AOSP roms have you used that are slower then sense. . . so i can make sure to not use them. No offense sense rom builders, but i havent had any luck with sense roms. i do love how it looks just slows my already slow enough phone down further.
#1 there always twitching between simple home screen scrolling and app drawer scrolling let alone anything that needs to actually use the CPU
#2 my battery dies much faster with all of those awesome looking widgets
#3 JIT doesn't play too nice with sense making it slightly lose its edge against AOSP roms.

I used to like sense until I started using White Widow... now the only thing I actually miss from Sense is the Facebook contact linking. Everything else seems to have a replacement so far... and often more customizable, which I always enjoy

Evil Eris is a very solid sense rom imo.
Sent from my FroyoEris using XDA App

DDustiNN said:
I used to like sense until I started using White Widow... now the only thing I actually miss from Sense is the Facebook contact linking. Everything else seems to have a replacement so far... and often more customizable, which I always enjoy
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Facebook sync has been working with the newest CELB build. When I boot, the market has an updated FB app. I suspect this may be the cause.

Duffman3005 said:
Evil Eris is a very solid sense rom imo.
Sent from my FroyoEris using XDA App
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Yes, I know, it was the rom I used before FroYo...
now that I think about it, is it possible to get the BT functionality in 2.2 ported to 2.1?

[Q] Touchwiz 3.0 for wildfire?

Hi guys,
is there anyway getting touchwiz 3.0 on my wildfire?
If you can get it, thank you in advance.

dax4182 said:
Hi guys,
is there anyway getting touchwiz 3.0 on my wildfire?
If you can get it, thank you in advance.
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You mean Samsung's own OS? I dont think thats possible since its different OS.

a1exander said:
You mean Samsung's own OS? I dont think thats possible since its different OS.
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I think he means the UI. I could try to build a ROM based on it if you can find me a ROM from a QVGA touchwiz device

HCDR.Jacob said:
I think he means the UI. I could try to build a ROM based on it if you can find me a ROM from a QVGA touchwiz device
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Oh right.. I knew that
It would be awesome if you did make a ROM!

a1exander said:
Oh right.. I knew that
It would be awesome if you did make a ROM!
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Ya i mean the UI but i got it but where to get the widgets, is quite hard...

There is a video of touchwiz 3.0 on a Wildfire on youtube at the moment.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpE02_hR9mU&NR=1
Check it out!.

why do people do this stuff? I have honestly not seen any UI used by a phone-manufacturer, which i would call superior to launcherPro :-D

MaxFragg said:
why do people do this stuff? I have honestly not seen any UI used by a phone-manufacturer, which i would call superior to launcherPro :-D
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Its fun to try, but I agree. LauncherPro is true awesomeness!

Why do people want crap on their awesome phones? Sense is x100 better than touchwiz (any version) LOL

I had TouchWiz running on it, but the app drawer eats the last line of icons on every page and i don't know how to get the icons away from there. I might try to look into the apk, maybe there are settings to change.